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Omega Help Area => Omega General Help => Topic started by: Glyn on 26 April 2013, 16:30:19
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Hi all
My 4 pot when accelerating hard gets to about 80mph ish , then develops a very noticable stuttering.
When towing the caravan it's so bad the car really shakes. (80 may seem a bit excessive when towing but that is only
when I'm trying to build up speed to get up an upcoming hill).
Upto 80 it runs perfect. I have changed the coil pack which made no difference.
Any ideas ?
Glyn
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I don't know what rpm 80 is in the 4 pot ... but what happens at the SAME rpm in lower gears ?? This will help show if it is engine linked or gearbox linked .... or even something else ...
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I don't know what rpm 80 is in the 4 pot ... but what happens at the SAME rpm in lower gears ?? This will help show if it is engine linked or gearbox linked .... or even something else ...
Auto shade under 3k rpm, manual, shade over 3k rpm.
Just to confirm the stuttering do you mean engine power? Because you say the car shakes, are we talking about wheel balancing here?
Are you feeling it through the wheel/seat?
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Its fine at lower gears high revs.
From standstill floor the throttle and it runs perfect till it gets to about 80 then stutters.
In position 1 or 2 it will go to the redline no problem. In 3 or D it dose not get to the redline.
And yes engine power not wheel balancing, as I cannot even get to 90.
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You need to get the codes read, normally if its in "limp" mode it won't rev above 4k rpm in any gear.
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There are no codes.
It is not in limp home mode.
In every way it runs perfect except pushing 80.
Even on the way home this afternoon bearing in mind I live in the country on B roads,
I still overtake most cars without a problem.
Also because I,m mostly on such roads I don't often get to 80 and so don't get any stuttering.
But this afternoon I overtook a Golf which was only doing about 50 untill I started to overtake him
at which point he decided to put his foot down, which is why I got to 80 ish to get past.
Which reminded me of the problem, as for the most part I'm normally use my bike.
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Sounds like it might be gearbox related then ... as it only happens in 3 & D ...
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Sounds like it might be gearbox related then ... as it only happens in 3 & D ...
could it be oil level??
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Entwood
It seems it could be gearbox related.
I only checked for engine codes last time.
I checked the gearbox for fault code and I got these
0705-1835-0560-1625.
I have cleared them now and next week see if any come back.
Symes
I suppose I will have to check that also as its been about four years since
I did a gearbox filter and oil change and not checked it since.
Glyn
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Hmm.....car shake at 80mph....can you tell if its front or back?
Ive had that a couple of times....once very badly.....both times turned out to be a buckled wheel.
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Taxi Driver
No its definatly not a buckled wheel or balancing problem.
Once it starts stuttering it wont go any faster, even with your foot flat to the floor, and as soon as you lift off
it stops.
Glyn
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Taxi Driver
No its definatly not a buckled wheel or balancing problem.
Once it starts stuttering it wont go any faster, even with your foot flat to the floor, and as soon as you lift off
it stops.
Glyn
Ahh...ok misunderstood when you mentioned car shake....
In 3 whats the max rev's.....as it sounds like its limiting the revs tbh
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Taxi Driver
I'm positive its not hitting the rev limiter, I think if it was you wuld be doing well over a ton.
I am hopeing Entwood and symes are correct.
I have checked the gearbox oil level this morning and it was in fact a bit low, about a funnel full.
I topped it up and went for a drive, and although I couldn't find the space to quite get to 80 due to there being more traffic about than a Friday night rush hour, and I live in the country, I got to about 78 and felt confident it was going to be fine.
However I won't be sure till I've got to about 90. I will take it to work next week to try it for certain. Plus we're taking the van next weekend which will be a good test.
I would also just like to have a winge about the pillock who thought it was a good idea not to have a dipstick, and so turn a two second job into half an hour, prat.
Glyn
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Taxi Driver
I'm positive its not hitting the rev limiter, I think if it was you wuld be doing well over a ton.
I am hopeing Entwood and symes are correct.
I have checked the gearbox oil level this morning and it was in fact a bit low, about a funnel full.
I topped it up and went for a drive, and although I couldn't find the space to quite get to 80 due to there being more traffic about than a Friday night rush hour, and I live in the country, I got to about 78 and felt confident it was going to be fine.
However I won't be sure till I've got to about 90. I will take it to work next week to try it for certain. Plus we're taking the van next weekend which will be a good test.
I would also just like to have a winge about the pillock who thought it was a good idea not to have a dipstick, and so turn a two second job into half an hour, prat.
Glyn
Welcome to the designer of most things on the Omega, you will look upon him as your best mate. ::) ::)
Especially when you change V6 DIS Pack, Stat on the V6, V6 Cam Covers & plugs.
Luckily his involvement was mainly on the V6, as the 2.2 is nice to work on :)
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Taxi Driver
I'm positive its not hitting the rev limiter, I think if it was you wuld be doing well over a ton.
I am hopeing Entwood and symes are correct.
I have checked the gearbox oil level this morning and it was in fact a bit low, about a funnel full.
I topped it up and went for a drive, and although I couldn't find the space to quite get to 80 due to there being more traffic about than a Friday night rush hour, and I live in the country, I got to about 78 and felt confident it was going to be fine.
However I won't be sure till I've got to about 90. I will take it to work next week to try it for certain. Plus we're taking the van next weekend which will be a good test.
I would also just like to have a winge about the pillock who thought it was a good idea not to have a dipstick, and so turn a two second job into half an hour, prat.
Glyn
Welcome to the designer of most things on the Omega, you will look upon him as your best mate. ::) ::)
Especially when you change V6 DIS Pack, Stat on the V6, V6 Cam Covers & plugs.
Luckily his involvement was mainly on the V6, as the 2.2 is nice to work on :)
The placement of oil filter & DIS pack make sense on a wrong wheel drive car. Turn the engine through 90 degrees & it goes a bit pear shaped ::)
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Which is why for me, they should have developed the Straight 6 more as it was much more suitable DIY work wise.
I hear MarksDTM points of costs to GM, one engine for all, I see why they want to save costs. But from DIY view S4/S6 are a doddle to work on :)
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Which is why for me, they should have developed the Straight 6 more as it was much more suitable DIY work wise.
I hear MarksDTM points of costs to GM, one engine for all, I see why they want to save costs. But from DIY view S4/S6 are a doddle to work on :)
Straight six wouldn't fit in a wrong wheel drive car (OK Austin Land Crab/Princess/Ambassador managed it but that was a 'special' case).
DIY doesn't tick any boxes for the manufacturers :(
Pedestrian safety does. Modern cars have a high bonnet and a big gap between the bonnet and the top of the engine so a child can head-butt the bonnet and leave an impression without reaching the solid engine. V6 can be made close to cube shape instead of long and tall like a S6. I still prefer the sound of a S6 :y
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engine mounts? :-\
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Which is why for me, they should have developed the Straight 6 more as it was much more suitable DIY work wise.
I hear MarksDTM points of costs to GM, one engine for all, I see why they want to save costs. But from DIY view S4/S6 are a doddle to work on :)
The straight 6 was well outdated even by the time the 24V version had come out, though. It had developed through numerous different incarnations and was a bit of a boat anchor. Yes, you need to keep on top of cam belt changes on the V6, but as soon as you have chain issues on the straight 6 you are in a whole heap of trouble.
They needed to develop something more compact and able to meet current and future emissions regs anyway. Cav and Vectra would have floundered if only the 4 pot options were available so why would GM have funded the continued support of an obsolete engine in parallel to the V6 when it was minimal effort to use the V6 in the Omega, and improve its' handing to boot?
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The straight 6 was well outdated even by the time the 24V version had come out, though. It had developed through numerous different incarnations and ....
IIRC the straight six appeared at the back end of the 60s (Commodore? :-\) .... obviously with carbs & points in the dizzy
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MAF sensor possibly
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I've had something similar to his before, when towing at high speed - turned out to be fuel starvation.
Changin the fuel filter sorted it in my case - might sort yours. When was your fuel filter last changed?
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Guffer
Engine mounts are OK.
Spireite
Maf sensor. I don't know how to check that.
Less.
Fuel filter. Very possibly I think, as I have never changed it in the five years I have had it.
If when I next use the car (wish I had today as it chucked it down on wat to work and my bike is filthy yet again, after washing it twice last week. Useless weather forecasts) and its still the same after the oil top up I will try that. Probably do it anyway as I don't think there are expensive.
Glyn
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I think the fuel filter makes sense unless it goes away when you go above 80 in which case it's a vibration problem hence mounts or propshaft balance
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I had forgotten to update this topic, so am doing so now.
It seems it was the fuel filter as since I changed it five or six weeks agoI have had no problems at all.
Accelerates well past 90 now smoothly and without stuttering.
Again a job that takes seconds to do, if you discount the ten minutes between taking
the old one off and clipping the new on, due to sticking my head under the tap to rinse all the
petrol out of my eyes :-[.