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Omega Help Area => Omega General Help => Topic started by: HockeyDave55 on 06 May 2013, 19:42:05
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Hi peoples!
Although I've had a nice long weekend and I have done some to my car, I still need to change my exhaust manifolds...
Has anyone got any tips?
Do I need to remove the coolant pipe on the drivers side?
Any help please as I want st start on it as early as I can... Plus I hope to change my cam cover seals.... If my sealant is in???
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drivers side does require the metal coolant pipe to come out, new studs and nuts are a must! I believe the passenger side is a tad trickier :o
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drivers side does require the metal coolant pipe to come out, new studs and nuts are a must! I believe the passenger side is a tad trickier :o
reckon it's easier to remove head--than to remove manifold on pass side :'(
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Oh bugger! I do have studs and nuts but, is it hard to get to the coolant pipe fixings?
Also on the list is the vent box so I can do that at the same time....
From the look of it, I thought the passenger side would be the easy side???
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abs in way ;) and steering pipes ;)
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use the sheet metal gasket .. and if you are planning to keep the car for long period, doing both at a time with heads out is easier..
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use the sheet metal gasket .. and if you are planning to keep the car for long period, doing both at a time with heads out is easier..
Oh boy! Not what I want to do!!!
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use the sheet metal gasket .. and if you are planning to keep the car for long period, doing both at a time with heads out is easier..
Oh boy! Not what I want to do!!!
depending on your daily usage the passenger side will also give up sooner or later .. mine took 1.5 year :-\
then the headgaskets start to leak :-X
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When you say give up, what do you mean?
ATM, I'm not using it so I have time to work on it... Just don't want to... :-/
I have read plenty that the HG almost never go???
Anyway, I know this will open a can of you know what but...
Will this do for the HG'S? Plus a few seals...
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/VAUXHALL-OMEGA-SINTRA-SAAB-9000-3-0-V6-HEAD-GASKET-SET-/120369006810?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item1c068d48da
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Plus all new set of head bolts - MarkDTM did recommend an ebay seller for these (I believe) ;)
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Why are you changing them out of interest? it has been known for misdiagnosis on manifold leaks, mine was actually the downpipe gasket leaking!
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I've never done a passengerside one but the Omega Oracle (MarkDTM) says it's easier to do from underneath ;)
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Just had a look and it does look very possible to go out through the bottom...
I'm changing it because it is deffinately leaking and also fitting the 3.2 manifolds.
I thought it was the down pipe because I have had problems with them fitting but on removal for the ??? Time, there is no soot Mark to indicate a leak... Plus I can feel it if I start the car from cold and stick my hand down th side of the head by No6 port.
Also did the tube trick....
I'll let you know how it goes.... Fingers crossed!!!
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When you say give up, what do you mean?
ATM, I'm not using it so I have time to work on it... Just don't want to... :-/
I have read plenty that the HG almost never go???
Anyway, I know this will open a can of you know what but...
Will this do for the HG'S? Plus a few seals...
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/VAUXHALL-OMEGA-SINTRA-SAAB-9000-3-0-V6-HEAD-GASKET-SET-/120369006810?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item1c068d48da (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/VAUXHALL-OMEGA-SINTRA-SAAB-9000-3-0-V6-HEAD-GASKET-SET-/120369006810?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item1c068d48da)
it will leak ..
and HG almost never go is against the matters nature ;D
(http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x80/mecdv6/omega/headgasket3.jpg)
if previous owners neglected changing coolant, it will start to leak earlier .. its just a matter of time and your use obviously.. I can say generally their firerings stay intact but it starts to lose from other areas..
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Passenger side is a from below task.
You need to remove the B-Bolt to allow the dipstick to be eased out the way, then pop off the manifold head shields and the front pipe.
If all the nuts/Studs come out then its not to bad a job, if not then it get tricky.
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Passenger side is a from below task.
You need to remove the B-Bolt to allow the dipstick to be eased out the way, then pop off the manifold head shields and the front pipe.
If all the nuts/Studs come out then its not to bad a job, if not then it get tricky.
means you need a lift.. and its a very tight area to work properly..
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I still keep my opinion to have them all done at a time.. but if you are going to keep it..
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As far as the coolant goes, the car is an ex TV so I trust they have serviced it well.
I have also kept on top of it apart from when the pump let go and I was just topping it up....
Where is the "B-bolt"?
Just finished another job and come in out of the sun for a while...
Next job is the manifolds!!!
As far as a lift goes, I wish it was! That would at least mean it would be inside!!!
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As far as the coolant goes, the car is an ex TV so I trust they have serviced it well.
I have also kept on top of it apart from when the pump let go and I was just topping it up....
Where is the "B-bolt"?
Just finished another job and come in out of the sun for a while...
Next job is the manifolds!!!
As far as a lift goes, I wish it was! That would at least mean it would be inside!!!
b-bolt attaches the metal hose that goes to the thermostat very close to icv.. taking out is easy , putting back together is the problem.. :-\
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As far as the coolant goes, the car is an ex TV so I trust they have serviced it well.
I have also kept on top of it apart from when the pump let go and I was just topping it up....
Where is the "B-bolt"?
Just finished another job and come in out of the sun for a while...
Next job is the manifolds!!!
As far as a lift goes, I wish it was! That would at least mean it would be inside!!!
b-bolt attaches the metal hose that goes to the thermostat very close to icv.. taking out is easy , putting back together is the problem.. :-\
I thought that was it! Thanks! :-y
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Well, I have to say that yesterday did not go well!
Apart from sweating my pants off in the sunshine and it being so bright, I couldn't see what I was doing, I spent 3hrs trying to get 1 heat shield bolt off!!! FFS!!!
It was on the pass side the third one back...
Well I got that bugger tonight and no-one told me there was another on the head side of the manifold...
Anyway, I'm short for time so I'm done for today... Wish I had a garage!
I'm going to leave it 'til the weekend now...
On the plus side, some parts came today...
Water pump,
Aux belt,
Front pad sensors,
Irmy looky like grill and some paint for my trim...
On the down side, I have a leak in my gearbox output shaft!!! Bugger!!!
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Aghhh! Flippin' rain and darkness!!!
Ok, I have been on the passenger manifold today and yes, all of the studs came out real easy... Well apart from the front one, that is still buried behind the dip stick tube.
I have removed the 'B' bolt and it moves but not far!? How do I move it enough to get at the front bolt???
I can't see where it can go???
Can I just pull it out????
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It might pull out, I normally just get a but brutal with it and tie it out the way
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It might pull out, I normally just get a but brutal with it and tie it out the way
Thanks but forward is the PS pump and not out of the way, rear is the manifold and more in the way And outward is the PS pipe....
I don't see where it can go???
(http://i556.photobucket.com/albums/ss2/KillerDave/DSC_0607.jpg) (http://s556.photobucket.com/user/KillerDave/media/DSC_0607.jpg.html)
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The B-bolt is out and things are loose but nothing wants to go anywhere!!!
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By the way, I found why I had a blow....
Most of the studs at the rear half of the manifold were loose....
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Ok, I just had a look in the guides... It looks real easy to take out the PS pump so I think that's what I'll do this afternoon when I get back from work....
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Right... Now I'm struggling!!!!
I've got the lifting bracket out and can move the dipstick a little.
I need to get the coolant pipe out... The bolt is out but it doesn't budge.
Can anyone tell me how to get it out??? I'm about to smash it out!!!
I think I might need to get the AC pump and bracket out!?!?!
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AC pump must be out..
here are some pictures from the time we work on it..hoping to be useful for you..
(http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x80/mecdv6/omega/eg09.jpg)
(http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x80/mecdv6/omega/eg05.jpg)
(http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x80/mecdv6/omega/eg08.jpg)
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(http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x80/mecdv6/omega/eg01.jpg)
(http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x80/mecdv6/omega/eg03.jpg)
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That's what I have been thinking... Lol
At least I don't have to deal with the AC lube! my AC's been empty for a while...
Plus I can clean things up a little...
Thanks cem!
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That's what I have been thinking... Lol
At least I don't have to deal with the AC lube! my AC's been empty for a while...
Plus I can clean things up a little...
Thanks cem!
:y
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Ok,
Today I have been able to spend a little more time on her...
An hrs work and have the PS pump, AC pump and the bracket out.
2 minutes later the manifold fell through the bottom of the engine bay! Man, oh man! That took so much!!!
Anyway, is it normal for there to be no manifold gasket???
Also, the mating surfaces look in bad shape and the more I take out, the more I find wrong...
I need to make some decisions! :-/
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No gasket !!Stupid question but are you sure it's not stuck to the block, it's pretty fine metal
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Just went out to check and no gasket, it does look horrible like black sealant has been used but it's raining again now so I think I'm done for the day...
I am trying to decide if it's worth getting another engine, rebuild that and swap them...??? It's looking like this car will be off the road a while... :-(
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still reckon easier to remove head mate-easier to rectify faults on bench than under bonnet IMHO :y
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still reckon easier to remove head mate-easier to rectify faults on bench than under bonnet IMHO :y
I hear ya! Now!!! :-)
At the rate this is going, I am thinking of taking the entire engine out....
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still reckon easier to remove head mate-easier to rectify faults on bench than under bonnet IMHO :y
I hear ya! Now!!! :-)
At the rate this is going, I am thinking of taking the entire engine out....
I am a bit mad mate-anyone who knows me will tell you I am a redneck But I always offer my experience -through having done 6yrs+ Omega repairs-from servicing to full rebuilds-unfortunately many learn the hard way :'( If you got to take engine out and you get stuck-I did a sort of-how to-in guides-just to give you an idea of what's involved-we took 4 days(start at 1pm finish at 5pm and coffee breaks every hour) You should do job quicker :y hope you sort it though mate-dont give up the fight :y
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Thanks buddy, I am thinking about it but it's not a simple engine... Plus I don't have a garage so I will stubble a little for space....
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mate-did mine outside-it even snowed at one point :D get in invite out-maybe others come and help ;)
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mate-did mine outside-it even snowed at one point :D get in invite out-maybe others come and help ;)
Now that's a plan!
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have you got engine crane?
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I have done q few engine builds and conversions on other cars but this thing has more parts on it than anything! Very complicated engine!!!
I don't have a crane but there is one at work I might be able to use???
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I got fold up one-see it in photo's-did mine ok-now all we need is some others and a date etc-count me in by the way :y
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still reckon easier to remove head mate-easier to rectify faults on bench than under bonnet IMHO :y
I hear ya! Now!!! :-)
At the rate this is going, I am thinking of taking the entire engine out....
That was what I chose to do when I found that one cylinder head gasket was weeping at the back. I couldn't face pulling the heads out with the engine in situ. My back isn't strong enough :(
Once the engine was out it was easy to clean it and see all the other thing that needed doing (including manifold gaskets............)
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Dave pm incoming. :)
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still reckon easier to remove head mate-easier to rectify faults on bench than under bonnet IMHO :y
I hear ya! Now!!! :-)
At the rate this is going, I am thinking of taking the entire engine out....
::) I tried to tell that if you plan to keep the car its better that you have them solved/done at a time .. :-\
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Yes, I do wanna keep it but I think the plan will be to either pull this engine and rebuild or, get another, lower milage engine and go to work on that one...
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Yes, I do wanna keep it but I think the plan will be to either pull this engine and rebuild or, get another, lower milage engine and go to work on that one...
Dave, I dont think you need to rebuild it.. it may only need headgaskets changing in the near future (unless you measured low compression values or other big problems before).. for that reason I said doing them together will take less time and work in total.. :-\
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Yes, I do wanna keep it but I think the plan will be to either pull this engine and rebuild or, get another, lower milage engine and go to work on that one...
I understand.
I do think I'm better off if I do it with a newer unit...
Dave, I dont think you need to rebuild it.. it may only need headgaskets changing in the near future (unless you measured low compression values or other big problems before).. for that reason I said doing them together will take less time and work in total.. :-\