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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: F1 9LFG on 20 May 2013, 00:10:09
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Hi all
Got a question to ask, I have been issued a kangoo van (2013 plate) but the darn thing has a limiter on it :( 62mph!
''to save the planet'' the company tells me, more like to save fuel.
I'd be ok if it were set to 70mph but why 62mph I don't know, the law states I can drive at 70 on a Motorway in my van...?
Anyway, the company won't budge on upping the limit so I'm stuck with it, or am I?
If I was to up the tyre size slightly would my top end speed also increase?
Other ranges of the new kangoos have 16'' wheels with bigger tyres than my currect 15'' rims and tyres. The speedo would still read 62mph but I'd actually be going a tad more?
I'd love to be able to hit 65mph, just enough to overtake HGVs on the motorways!
I have no idea how the limiter works but I assume its off a speed/ABS sensor??
(Engine RPM in 5th gear at 62mph 2.5k - so plently of rpm left)
Any help welcomed!
Thanks
Rob
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Limiter is probably programed in the ECU from the factory. You should be doing 6mph more than any HGV, so using the 10% principle, you should be able to overtake them safely.
Might be worth a reread of the highway code. If the laden weight of your Kangoo is over 1999kgs, then it isn't considered to be a car derived van, this restricts you to 60 on dual carriageways and 50 on single carriageways :y
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Limiter is probably programed in the ECU from the factory. You should be doing 6mph more than any HGV, so using the 10% principle, you should be able to overtake them safely.
Might be worth a reread of the highway code. If the laden weight of your Kangoo is over 1999kgs, then it isn't considered to be a car derived van, this restricts you to 60 on dual carriageways and 50 on single carriageways :y
Hi Al,
There's no way I'm going more than 1 mph faster than a HGV, It can take me 1/2 mile to overtank a tanker!
curb gross weight is 1400-1500 and is classed as car-derived van, looked into it and contacted my local traffic police who confirmed it.
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Then the limiter has been set wrong. Indicated speed and actual speed are usually two very different things :y
What is the load capacity of the van? If it's 500kgs or more, then it's not a car derived van.
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What is the load capacity of the van? If it's 500kgs or more, then it's not a car derived van.
I take that back. Just looked at Renaults website :o
It's no wonder the van is limited. Any faster and it would blow away. Curb weights start at just over a ton :o
I wouldn't want to crash one thats for sure.
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Never mind Rob, i've just started a new job and been given a new VW van which will easily reach 100mph on a private road of course :P ;D
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Yes it really doesn't weigh much at all!
well the sticker on the back states '60mph' and on my GPS it reads 62-64mph max.
having spoke to others in the company with the same van they all report the same!
do you think the bigger wheel/tyre idea would work?
Cheers
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Never mind Rob, i've just started a new job and been given a new VW van which will easily reach 100mph on a private road of course :P ;D
Ahh Pete that's great news, I'm very pleased for you...... >:(
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van limiters dont save fuel,its just to reduce speed,old vivaro was limited to 68mph,new transit limited to 70mph and that does 26mpg so figure that out,just think of it this way you wont get a speeding ticket on national speed limit roads
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look on the bright side, you can always arrive late for a job and blame the limiter on the van. If the boss has a go, then its constructive dismissal time etc
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It will save fuel.....basic physics
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Also bear in mind that the company may well have got discounts on their insurance by limiting their vans. If you tamper with it, you could find yourself uninsured in the event of an accident.
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Oh it is saving fuel, I'm getting about 53mpg on the M25 and that's when I average 56mph, but I only want to do a few mph more, I'd settle for being limited to 68 even. Not hoping to be sat at 90 all day.
Surely if I upped the wheel circumference I'd physically be doing 65-68 but the van would think I was still doing 60/62. (No idea how to work out the tyre size to gear box ratio!)
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Also bear in mind that the company may well have got discounts on their insurance by limiting their vans. If you tamper with it, you could find yourself uninsured in the event of an accident.
But if upped the tyre size to a size that is standard on other kangoos I could always play dumb?
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If you're on the clock then I would just sit back and enjoy the scenery :y
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I just need to be able to pass Hgvs a bit easier, also joining motorways is a PITA and, in my opinion, dangerous
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I'm sure it's a PITA but at the end of the day it's not your van and Kevin's point about the insurance is a good one IMO. ;)
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Could do but it would be very obvious that I'd tampered with it!
Putting a larger tyre on would be easier to get round if questioned but that's assuming it would give me a few extra mph - which I'm yet to verify.
Cheers
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Could do but it would be very obvious that I'd tampered with it!
Putting a larger tyre on would be easier to get round if questioned but that's assuming it would give me a few extra mph - which I'm yet to verify.
Cheers
It won't. The limiter will receive the signal from both the engine Ecu and the ABS one
If you try changing down at the limit, the only difference is the rpm. Changing the tyres is unlikely to be significant enough unless you change them drastically which will potentially cause issues with insurance and tyre loadings
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another thing you may not know about is if a gps tracker unit is fitted which records your speed
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If nowt else just imagine how the truck drivers feel in their 700+bhp trucks being stuck at 56 mph when they could easily be knocking on a ton ::)
It is probably quite difficult to buy a new van without, especially if the firm has obtained them through a leasing company :-\
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I was chatting to a coach driver today.....he reckons he can quite easily go faster than the 65mph his coach is limited to.....his way round it...
When you hit the limit.....and you have to do this quite quickly....dip the clutch....rev the engine hard and let the clutch out quick....he reckoned with gained momentum you can get it to go faster if you keep doing this......he reckoned he'd once got his coach to go 90mph.....but he did say he was going downhill at the time..
Not sure what the clutch would make of this ;D
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Heading up the M40 where it drops into Oxford Vale, it is possible to hit 80 in a loaded truck :-X
The limiter can only shut off air/fuel but can do nothing to gravity or gearing 8)
First time I was nearly at Oxford services before I realised what the digital tacho meant by 'overspeed' ::)
Always suprised by what tests don't teach you ;D
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I wish the d..k head in the mini truck behind me today had been fitted with a limiter to match his absence of intelligence.
I was doing 80 mph on the M25. leaving a large gap between me and the heavy traffic in front of me doing the same speed, and there was him.............6 feet from my rear bumper!!
Christ, where do these people come from? Showed my brake lights fleetingly three times, whilst keeping my foot on the accelerator, as a warning, but he stayed where he was. Anyway, once a clear gap opened up in front of me...........zoom.........I left him 'standing'. :P :P :P
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I wish the d..k head in the mini truck behind me today had been fitted with a limiter to match his absence of intelligence.
I was doing 80 mph on the M25. leaving a large gap between me and the heavy traffic in front of me doing the same speed, and there was him.............6 feet from my rear bumper!!
Christ, where do these people come from? Showed my brake lights fleetingly three times, whilst keeping my foot on the accelerator, as a warning, but he stayed where he was. Anyway, once a clear gap opened up in front of me...........zoom.........I left him 'standing'. :P :P :P
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Bet he thought you were flashing him from the rear lizzie and trying to get you to pull over for you number :-* ;D ;D
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Also bear in mind that the company may well have got discounts on their insurance by limiting their vans. If you tamper with it, you could find yourself uninsured in the event of an accident.
But if upped the tyre size to a size that is standard on other kangoos I could always play dumb?
Are you that desperate that you are prepared to buy 4 new wheels and tyres?.............. :o :o :-X
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Also bear in mind that the company may well have got discounts on their insurance by limiting their vans. If you tamper with it, you could find yourself uninsured in the event of an accident.
But if upped the tyre size to a size that is standard on other kangoos I could always play dumb?
Are you that desperate that you are prepared to buy 4 new wheels and tyres?.............. :o :o :-X
I'd get the bigger tyres fitted at service, I wouldn't be paying out for them!
Not looking like it'll work anyway...
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Trucks are limited to 56mph and your saying the van is limited to 62mph,which is coach speed,and your struggling to get past the trucks???
Somethings wrong somewhere,if your limiter is set at 62mph then you should be passing truck easily.
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Trucks are limited to 56mph and your saying the van is limited to 62mph,which is coach speed,and your struggling to get past the trucks???
Somethings wrong somewhere,if your limiter is set at 62mph then you should be passing truck easily.
Hgvs and articulated lorries are limited to 60mph on UK motorways, I struggle to pass as I'm also limited to the same speeds.
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Trucks are limited to 56mph and your saying the van is limited to 62mph,which is coach speed,and your struggling to get past the trucks???
Somethings wrong somewhere,if your limiter is set at 62mph then you should be passing truck easily.
Not sure where you drive, and I know they are restricted, but I see many trucks driving in excess of 56mph, there are times when I have had to exceed 70 mph to pass a truck on the A689 between Sedgefield and Billingham on my regular commute, and everywhere else...... ;) ;)
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Just to clarify...
1. Hgvs and other articulated vehicles are legally permitted to travel at 60mph.
2. Any vehicle weighing over 3.5t must, by law, be fitted with a speed limiting device which prevents the vehicle from exceeding 56mph. There is a from date, but iirc it is 2001 :-\
3. Limiters worfk by shutting fuel off. They have no control over gearing or laws of physics such as gravity or momentum.
Identical trucks, with identical limiters, calibrated by the same person with behave differently with different loads.
Factor in an infinite number of fitters, several types/makes of truck and different limiters and you'll find variations from 55-58 MPH.
Don't forget you need to be doing at least 110% of the speed of the vehicle you are passing in order to overtake safely :y
Hopefully that should help explain the some of the discrepancies between vehicles :y
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Just to be pedantic... ::) Trucks are limited to 90kph which equals 56mph. ;)
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Trucks are limited to 56mph and your saying the van is limited to 62mph,which is coach speed,and your struggling to get past the trucks???
Somethings wrong somewhere,if your limiter is set at 62mph then you should be passing truck easily.
Not sure where you drive, and I know they are restricted, but I see many trucks driving in excess of 56mph, there are times when I have had to exceed 70 mph to pass a truck on the A689 between Sedgefield and Billingham on my regular commute, and everywhere else...... ;) ;)
agree..but confused by the below ???
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Just to clarify...
1. Hgvs and other articulated vehicles are legally permitted to travel at 60mph.
2. Any vehicle weighing over 3.5t must, by law, be fitted with a speed limiting device which prevents the vehicle from exceeding 56mph. There is a from date, but iirc it is 2001 :-\
3. Limiters worfk by shutting fuel off. They have no control over gearing or laws of physics such as gravity or momentum.
Identical trucks, with identical limiters, calibrated by the same person with behave differently with different loads.
Factor in an infinite number of fitters, several types/makes of truck and different limiters and you'll find variations from 55-58 MPH.
Don't forget you need to be doing at least 110% of the speed of the vehicle you are passing in order to overtake safely :y
Hopefully that should help explain the some of the discrepancies between vehicles :y
90% of the hgvs I try to over take I gps at 60 (ish) mph?? I gps my top speed at a max of 64mph but often float at about 61-62mph?
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Then your limiter is working as it should :-\
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I wish the d..k head in the mini truck behind me today had been fitted with a limiter to match his absence of intelligence.
I was doing 80 mph on the M25. leaving a large gap between me and the heavy traffic in front of me doing the same speed, and there was him.............6 feet from my rear bumper!!
Christ, where do these people come from? Showed my brake lights fleetingly three times, whilst keeping my foot on the accelerator, as a warning, but he stayed where he was. Anyway, once a clear gap opened up in front of me...........zoom.........I left him 'standing'. :P :P :P
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Bet he thought you were flashing him from the rear lizzie and trying to get you to pull over for you number :-* ;D ;D
;D ;D ;D ;D :y
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Then your limiter is working as it should :-\
I know - that's the problem :-[
Thanks for all your replies anyway :y
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I got stuck behind a white van man sat in the outside lane of a dual carriageway at 62mph this afternoon..... ::)
There was a big line of cars behind and he had plenty of opportunities to move over to let us all pass, but....... >:(
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I got stuck behind a white van man sat in the outside lane of a dual carriageway at 62mph this afternoon..... ::)
There was a big line of cars behind and he had plenty of opportunities to move over to let us all pass, but....... >:(
That's reminded me, any vehicle, large or small, is NOT alllowed in the outside lane(s) of a Motorway if it has a limiter fitted :y
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I got stuck behind a white van man sat in the outside lane of a dual carriageway at 62mph this afternoon..... ::)
There was a big line of cars behind and he had plenty of opportunities to move over to let us all pass, but....... >:(
That's reminded me, any vehicle, large or small, is NOT alllowed in the outside lane(s) of a Motorway if it has a limiter fitted :y
Just had this debate at my final Driver CPC module.The restriction for 3rd lane is down to size and weight of vehicle not limiter, just so happens that the vehicles that are banned from the outside lane happen to all have limiters fitted.I asked the question,that if my coach does 62mph, then at a section of motorway that had a 60mph limit, then i should be able to use the 3rd lane as i can keep up with the speed but thats not the case,i'm not allowed in the 3rd lane because of my weight not my restricted speed.
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I got stuck behind a white van man sat in the outside lane of a dual carriageway at 62mph this afternoon..... ::)
There was a big line of cars behind and he had plenty of opportunities to move over to let us all pass, but....... >:(
That's reminded me, any vehicle, large or small, is NOT alllowed in the outside lane(s) of a Motorway if it has a limiter fitted :y
What :o :o Even Aston Martins, BMWs etc, all of which are fitted with limiters ::) ::) ;D ;D ;D ;D
Think thats bollux ;)
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Im confused now ???
Did i not say HGV's were limited to 56mph?
Thats not to say drivers abide by the law regarding tacho's and limiters...magnets etc ;)
I still cant see how you see 90% of trucks travelling at 60+mph?
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Im confused now ???
Did i not say HGV's were limited to 56mph?
Thats not to say drivers abide by the law regarding tacho's and limiters...magnets etc ;)
I still cant see how you see 90% of trucks travelling at 60+mph?
As 60mph is the limit on a motorway for these trucks.
Their tachometers will warn them once they go above 56mph but in the uk they can go to 60 without breaking the law.
There are differences in tachos I know, depends on the set up of the tacho but 60 is legal for hgv / 7.5t+
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I got stuck behind a white van man sat in the outside lane of a dual carriageway at 62mph this afternoon..... ::)
There was a big line of cars behind and he had plenty of opportunities to move over to let us all pass, but....... >:(
That's reminded me, any vehicle, large or small, is NOT alllowed in the outside lane(s) of a Motorway if it has a limiter fitted :y
What :o :o Even Aston Martins, BMWs etc, all of which are fitted with limiters ::) ::) ;D ;D ;D ;D
Think thats bollux ;)
Pop this in your pipe and smoke it...
The types of vehicles not permitted to use the right hand lane on a motorway (which has three or more lanes) are,
1. A goods vehicle having a maximum laden weight exceeding 7.5 tonnes,
2. A goods vehicle having a maximum laden weight exceeding 3.5 tonnes but not exceeding 7.5 tonnes, which is required to be fitted with a speed limiter
3. A goods vehicle which (among other things) cannot travel over 60mph
4. A passenger vehicle which is constructed or adapted to carry more than eight seated passengers in addition to the driver the maximum laden weight of which exceeds 7.5 tonnes;
5. A passenger vehicle which is constructed or adapted to carry more than eight seated passengers in addition to the driver the maximum laden weight of which does not exceed 7.5 tonnes, which is required to be fitted with a speed limiter.
6. A passenger vehicle which (among other things) cannot travel over 60mph
7. A vehicle drawing a trailer
8. A vehicle which is a motor tractor, a light locomotive or a heavy locomotive.
There are exceptions to this rule which are,
when it is necessary for the vehicle to be driven to enable it to pass another vehicle which is carrying or drawing a load of exceptional width. for a vehicle to change lane during a period when it would not be reasonably practicable for it to do so without involving danger of injury to any person or inconvenience to other traffic.
Any vehicle using the outside lane(s) must be capable of exceeding 60 mph. Simples.
People who are suggesting that lorries are travelling at 60+ mph are probably using their speedos to judge the speed of the lorries. If your speedo is saying 60mph, then you're almost certainly only doing 56/57mph at most. Almost all car speedos overread, hence there being no real excuse to being caught speeding. Truck (over 3.5t) speedos are generally calibrated along with the tachograph.
As I understand it, magnets etc are used to fool tachographs into thinking that the vehicle is stationary. This is for working time/driving time fraud purposes, not speed :-\
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Im confused now ???
Did i not say HGV's were limited to 56mph?
Thats not to say drivers abide by the law regarding tacho's and limiters...magnets etc ;)
I still cant see how you see 90% of trucks travelling at 60+mph?
As 60mph is the limit on a motorway for these trucks.
Their tachometers will warn them once they go above 56mph but in the uk they can go to 60 without breaking the law.
There are differences in tachos I know, depends on the set up of the tacho but 60 is legal for hgv / 7.5t+
Not quite :y
Tachographs record drivers activities, such as driving/other work/rest periods, and vehicle movement-basically speed and distance.
Limiters simply restrict a vehicles speed by shutting off the fuel. They have no control over gravity/momentum.
As explained on Monday, UK Law permits vehicles weighing 3.5t and above to travel at upto 60 mph on motorways, but European Law requires that those vehicles of 3.5t and above be fitted with devices which limit their maximum speed to 90kmh or 56 mph. :y
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Im confused now ???
Did i not say HGV's were limited to 56mph?
Thats not to say drivers abide by the law regarding tacho's and limiters...magnets etc ;)
I still cant see how you see 90% of trucks travelling at 60+mph?
As 60mph is the limit on a motorway for these trucks.
Their tachometers will warn them once they go above 56mph but in the uk they can go to 60 without breaking the law.
There are differences in tachos I know, depends on the set up of the tacho but 60 is legal for hgv / 7.5t+
Not quite :y
Tachographs record drivers activities, such as driving/other work/rest periods, and vehicle movement-basically speed and distance.
Limiters simply restrict a vehicles speed by shutting off the fuel. They have no control over gravity/momentum.
As explained on Monday, UK Law permits vehicles weighing 3.5t and above to travel at upto 60 mph on motorways, but European Law requires that those vehicles of 3.5t and above be fitted with devices which limit their maximum speed to 90kmh or 56 mph. :y
So it's these lorries on the UK law setting of 60mph I'm having problems with.
well short of using my own car/bike I guess I'll have to put up with it for now :(
Cheers :y
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You'll get used to it soon enough :y
Plan a bit further ahead, and only try and pass them going uphill. Treat the limiter as a sort of cruise control and keep your right foot buried :y
The hardest bit will be adapting the way you drive to allow for it :-\
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Limiter is probably programed in the ECU from the factory. You should be doing 6mph more than any HGV, so using the 10% principle, you should be able to overtake them safely.
Might be worth a reread of the highway code. If the laden weight of your Kangoo is over 1999kgs, then it isn't considered to be a car derived van, this restricts you to 60 on dual carriageways and 50 on single carriageways :y
quite a few van drivers dont know that i bet.....i didnt :-[ :y. does that inc 60 on a motorway
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I got stuck behind a white van man sat in the outside lane of a dual carriageway at 62mph this afternoon..... ::)
There was a big line of cars behind and he had plenty of opportunities to move over to let us all pass, but....... >:(
That's reminded me, any vehicle, large or small, is NOT alllowed in the outside lane(s) of a Motorway if it has a limiter fitted :y
What :o :o Even Aston Martins, BMWs etc, all of which are fitted with limiters ::) ::) ;D ;D ;D ;D
Think thats bollux ;)
Pop this in your pipe and smoke it...
?????? you quoted all exceptions in this post, yet previously stated any vehicle with a limiter is not allowed in outside lane of motorway - thats whats bollux ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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;D limiting summat to 155mph is kind of irrelevant as you can still only do 70 max here ::)
Besides, for the sake of being pedantic, even though such cars are limited to 155mph, they are capable of exceeding 60mph, and are therefore able to freely use the outside lane :P
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Im confused now ???
Did i not say HGV's were limited to 56mph?
Thats not to say drivers abide by the law regarding tacho's and limiters...magnets etc ;)
I still cant see how you see 90% of trucks travelling at 60+mph?
As 60mph is the limit on a motorway for these trucks.
Their tachometers will warn them once they go above 56mph but in the uk they can go to 60 without breaking the law.
There are differences in tachos I know, depends on the set up of the tacho but 60 is legal for hgv / 7.5t+
Dont know where you are getting this info from to be honest but any goods vehicle over 3.5 ton has a tacho fitted,which means it has a speed limiter fitted also,which is set to 56mph.It will not warn the driver that they are going above 56mph it simply stops the vehicle accelerating anymore.You can sit with your foot to the floor all day long but it wont go any faster than 56mph. Fact!
If it is going faster it will be either 1 of 2 things
1:- Overspeed, which is also known as over run- i.e momentum speeding the vehicle up going downhill
2:- Tachograph unit having been tampered with illegally
It makes no odds whatsoever what the speed limit is, the vehicle is only permitted to travel at the speed set by the limiter which is decided by the European Union in Brussels 56MPH
Any vehicle over 9 passenger seats is fitted with a tacho and the same rules apply, only difference is a coach is limited to 62mph
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Limiter is probably programed in the ECU from the factory. You should be doing 6mph more than any HGV, so using the 10% principle, you should be able to overtake them safely.
Might be worth a reread of the highway code. If the laden weight of your Kangoo is over 1999kgs, then it isn't considered to be a car derived van, this restricts you to 60 on dual carriageways and 50 on single carriageways :y
quite a few van drivers dont know that i bet.....i didnt :-[ :y. does that inc 60 on a motorway
Anything upto 3.5t can do 70 unless towing :y
Just to stir the mud a bit ::)
https://www.gov.uk/speed-limits (https://www.gov.uk/speed-limits)
https://www.askthe.police.uk/content/Q590.htm (https://www.askthe.police.uk/content/Q590.htm)
There will be a test ;D
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Do you know what really annoys me,the amount of people on the road that dont know the rules of the road and the law which they should be abiding by
I drive for a living and have to deal with incompetant drivers everyday.Standard of driving on the road these days is pathetic and the amount of car/van and even so called proffesional drivers of HGV/PCV that dont know the rules and laws is ridiculous