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Title: Ran fine but now won't start
Post by: tOnYoYo on 05 June 2013, 20:15:21: Hi people!

Just did a few short errands in my 2002 3.2 Elite, parked up to get stuff out the boot and now she won't start! :'(

Seems to be turning over ok, but won't even try to actually fire up. Any ideas?

Thanks guys!
Title: Re: Ran fine but now won't start
Post by: zirk on 05 June 2013, 20:20:42: Any Fault Codes? from a Peddle Trick.

Edit: take it you havn't parked up on a slope with the Fuel Light on?
Title: Re: Ran fine but now won't start
Post by: Andy B on 05 June 2013, 20:22:06: crank sensor :-\
Title: Re: Ran fine but now won't start
Post by: Rods2 on 05 June 2013, 20:26:39: Is the engine management light on?

If so you can read the fault codes using this guide:

http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/index.php?topic=90581.0 (http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/index.php?topic=90581.0)

Is there plenty of fuel in the tank? Low fuel and parking on a slope can cause this.

Another possible cause is a faulty crank sensor as this is a common problem.
Title: Re: Ran fine but now won't start
Post by: tOnYoYo on 05 June 2013, 20:38:59: wOW you guys are fast... :D

The pedal trick worked for me (can you believe I don't own a paperclip?).

0335 - Crank position sensor...

Is that... Bad..? :(
Title: Re: Ran fine but now won't start
Post by: RobG on 05 June 2013, 20:41:30: Quote from: tOnYoYo on 05 June 2013, 20:38:59
wOW you guys are fast... :D

The pedal trick worked for me (can you believe I don't own a paperclip?).

0335 - Crank position sensor...

Is that... Bad..? :(
Yep. Replace with genuine only
Title: Re: Ran fine but now won't start
Post by: albitz on 05 June 2013, 20:41:50: Approx £70 bad,for the part,buy genuine part only.And about 10 minutes to fit once you've read the relevant guide on here. :y
Tip-dont waste time trying to remove the old one from the car.Just leave it hanging in limbo.The wiring from the new one will use a different route anyway,as you will find out in the guide. :y
Title: Re: Ran fine but now won't start
Post by: tOnYoYo on 05 June 2013, 20:44:05: That is not helping with my house purchase... :-\

Can I just rub the old one or something? Hit it with a spanner? Buy it dinner? ;D
Title: Re: Ran fine but now won't start
Post by: albitz on 05 June 2013, 20:47:38: Nope.Due to the wiring being routed so close to the exhaust manifold,it breaks down inside eventually.It may decide to work again temporarily and then stop again once the engine has warmed up. This is why the replacement needs to have the wiring routed differently,as the problem would rear its head again in time. :y
Title: Re: Ran fine but now won't start
Post by: Andy B on 05 June 2013, 20:49:06: Quote from: tOnYoYo on 05 June 2013, 20:44:05
That is not helping with my house purchase... :-\

Can I just rub the old one or something? Hit it with a spanner? Buy it dinner? ;D

Just think of the price of a crank sensor as being something similar to what a garage would've charged you for diagnosing what you've just found out for free via the peddle trick :y :y :y
Title: Re: Ran fine but now won't start
Post by: albitz on 05 June 2013, 20:59:09: Quote from: Andy B on 05 June 2013, 20:49:06
Quote from: tOnYoYo on 05 June 2013, 20:44:05
That is not helping with my house purchase... :-\

Can I just rub the old one or something? Hit it with a spanner? Buy it dinner? ;D

Just think of the price of a crank sensor as being something similar to what a garage would've charged you for diagnosing what you've just found out for free via the peddle trick :y :y :y

Tut tut Andy. ::) ;D
Title: Re: Ran fine but now won't start
Post by: Andy B on 05 June 2013, 21:02:44: Quote from: Albitz on 05 June 2013, 20:59:09
Quote from: Andy B on 05 June 2013, 20:49:06
Quote from: tOnYoYo on 05 June 2013, 20:44:05
That is not helping with my house purchase... :-\

Can I just rub the old one or something? Hit it with a spanner? Buy it dinner? ;D

Just think of the price of a crank sensor as being something similar to what a garage would've charged you for diagnosing what you've just found out for free via the peddle trick :y :y :y

Tut tut Andy. ::) ;D

no idea where that came from ........... ??? ???

(off to find my hair shirt & flagellation whip! ;))
Title: Re: Ran fine but now won't start
Post by: albitz on 05 June 2013, 21:07:49: I should think so too. ;D
Title: Re: Ran fine but now won't start
Post by: CaptainZok on 05 June 2013, 21:08:50: Quote from: Andy B on 05 June 2013, 21:02:44
Quote from: Albitz on 05 June 2013, 20:59:09
Quote from: Andy B on 05 June 2013, 20:49:06
Quote from: tOnYoYo on 05 June 2013, 20:44:05
That is not helping with my house purchase... :-\

Can I just rub the old one or something? Hit it with a spanner? Buy it dinner? ;D

Just think of the price of a crank sensor as being something similar to what a garage would've charged you for diagnosing what you've just found out for free via the peddle trick :y :y :y

Tut tut Andy. ::) ;D

no idea where that came from ........... ??? ???

(off to find my hair shirt & flagellation whip! ;) )
That's what you get for working in the land of the rising pie. ;D ;D
Title: Re: Ran fine but now won't start
Post by: Andy B on 05 June 2013, 21:19:33: Quote from: CaptainZok on 05 June 2013, 21:08:50
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That's what you get for working in the land of the rising pie. ;D ;D

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Ran fine but now won't start
Post by: tOnYoYo on 05 June 2013, 21:25:40: Quote from: Andy B on 05 June 2013, 20:49:06
Quote from: tOnYoYo on 05 June 2013, 20:44:05
That is not helping with my house purchase... :-\

Can I just rub the old one or something? Hit it with a spanner? Buy it dinner? ;D

Just think of the price of a crank sensor as being something similar to what a garage would've charged you for diagnosing what you've just found out for free via the peddle trick :y :y :y

True! ;D

Where can I purchase on of these CPSs? Any trusted UK sites that might have it with me by Saturday?
Title: Re: Ran fine but now won't start
Post by: 05omegav6 on 05 June 2013, 21:28:42: Try Now Vauxhall in Byfleet :y they seem to stock all sorts of random Omega parts :y

Failing that, AndyC is the person to ask on here :y
Title: Re: Ran fine but now won't start
Post by: Andy B on 05 June 2013, 22:08:06: Andy Clears aka andyc has his details here. Parts manager at Bury St Edmonds Vauxhall

http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=1488
Title: Re: Ran fine but now won't start
Post by: 05omegav6 on 05 June 2013, 23:30:28: Quote from: Andy B on 05 June 2013, 22:08:06
Andy Clears aka andyc has his details here. Parts manager at Bury St EdmUnds Vauxhall

http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=1488

Fixed that for you :P
Title: Re: Ran fine but now won't start
Post by: tOnYoYo on 12 June 2013, 20:09:24: 10 minute job they said...
It'll be easy they said...

:o

How do you /remove/ the sensor? Is it held in place by Thor himself?! ???

Advice appreciated! It's raining and the job's half done... :'(
Title: Re: Ran fine but now won't start
Post by: tunnie on 12 June 2013, 20:17:00: Small torx bolt removed at the sensor itself, near the oil filter. It should just pop out, small flat head screwdriver might be needed to wiggle it out.

Pop the scuttle off, for easy access to route/plug it in :)
Title: Re: Ran fine but now won't start
Post by: tunnie on 12 June 2013, 20:17:46: Guide: http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/index.php?topic=90540.0 (http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/index.php?topic=90540.0)
Title: Re: Ran fine but now won't start
Post by: tOnYoYo on 12 June 2013, 20:18:18: It's the wiggling out I'm struggling with... ::)
Title: Re: Ran fine but now won't start
Post by: tOnYoYo on 12 June 2013, 20:30:45: I got it! I got it! ;D :D 8)
Title: Re: Ran fine but now won't start
Post by: hotel21 on 12 June 2013, 20:59:33: ......but does it now start and run? :y
Title: Re: Ran fine but now won't start
Post by: tOnYoYo on 12 June 2013, 21:24:36: Starts, runs, stops and restarts.

I think we have a fixed Omega ;)
Title: Re: Ran fine but now won't start
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 12 June 2013, 21:25:29: Result :y

Bet you're glad to be back inside :y
Title: Re: Ran fine but now won't start
Post by: tOnYoYo on 12 June 2013, 21:33:49: Love that sweet V6 hum... :D

Thank you guys!
Title: Re: Ran fine but now won't start
Post by: tunnie on 12 June 2013, 21:37:23: Good stuff :y
Title: Re: Ran fine but now won't start
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 12 June 2013, 21:39:12: Quote from: tOnYoYo on 12 June 2013, 21:33:49
Love that sweet V6 hum... :D

Thank you guys!

If it hums, try one of theses... http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/MAGIC-TREE-CAR-AIR-FRESHENER-ICE-CREAM-ORIGINAL-BEST-WUNDER-BAUM-NEW-/170781013034 (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/MAGIC-TREE-CAR-AIR-FRESHENER-ICE-CREAM-ORIGINAL-BEST-WUNDER-BAUM-NEW-/170781013034)
:y
Title: Re: Ran fine but now won't start
Post by: Andy B on 12 June 2013, 22:31:35: Quote from: ex taxi al on 05 June 2013, 23:30:28
Quote from: Andy B on 05 June 2013, 22:08:06
Andy Clears aka andyc has his details here. Parts manager at Bury St EdmUnds Vauxhall

http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=1488

Fixed that for you :P

I was close enough ........ there's only ONE Bury! ;) ;) ;) (didn't see this till now ;))
Title: Re: Ran fine but now won't start
Post by: Andy B on 12 June 2013, 22:32:49: Quote from: Gollum on 12 June 2013, 21:39:12
....
If it hums, try one of theses... http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/MAGIC-TREE-CAR-AIR-FRESHENER-ICE-CREAM-ORIGINAL-BEST-WUNDER-BAUM-NEW-/170781013034 (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/MAGIC-TREE-CAR-AIR-FRESHENER-ICE-CREAM-ORIGINAL-BEST-WUNDER-BAUM-NEW-/170781013034)
:y

:-X :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X ::)
Title: Re: Ran fine but now won't start
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 12 June 2013, 23:58:11: Quote from: Andy B on 12 June 2013, 22:32:49
Quote from: Gollum on 12 June 2013, 21:39:12
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If it hums, try one of theses... http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/MAGIC-TREE-CAR-AIR-FRESHENER-ICE-CREAM-ORIGINAL-BEST-WUNDER-BAUM-NEW-/170781013034 (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/MAGIC-TREE-CAR-AIR-FRESHENER-ICE-CREAM-ORIGINAL-BEST-WUNDER-BAUM-NEW-/170781013034)
:y

:-X :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X ::)

What ::)
Title: Re: Ran fine but now won't start
Post by: tOnYoYo on 13 June 2013, 00:01:19: :D ;D
Title: Re: Ran fine but now won't start
Post by: Andy B on 13 June 2013, 00:03:11: Quote from: Gollum on 12 June 2013, 23:58:11
Quote from: Andy B on 12 June 2013, 22:32:49
Quote from: Gollum on 12 June 2013, 21:39:12
....
If it hums, try one of theses... http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/MAGIC-TREE-CAR-AIR-FRESHENER-ICE-CREAM-ORIGINAL-BEST-WUNDER-BAUM-NEW-/170781013034 (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/MAGIC-TREE-CAR-AIR-FRESHENER-ICE-CREAM-ORIGINAL-BEST-WUNDER-BAUM-NEW-/170781013034)
:y

:-X :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X ::)

What ::)

nothing ......... ::) ::) ::) ;)
Title: Re: Ran fine but now won't start
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 13 June 2013, 00:04:19: Ok :y
Title: Re: Ran fine but now won't start
Post by: Andy B on 13 June 2013, 00:05:08: Quote from: Gollum on 13 June 2013, 00:04:19
Ok :y

:y :y :y
Title: Re: Ran fine but now won't start
Post by: Steve B on 13 June 2013, 00:11:38: Quote from: tOnYoYo on 12 June 2013, 21:33:49
Love that sweet V6 hum... :D

Thank you guys!
2.2 sounds better :y