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Chat Area => General Car Chat => Topic started by: Dazzler on 25 June 2013, 14:00:40
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As above?
Just brought an 06 2.2 zafira b :-\
At idle it has a rattle from chain area. Goes near enough when you Rev slightly.
Anyone with alot of Vauxhall experience?
Thanks
Taken it to a general garage who seem to think it's normal.
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I would say it's definitley worth checking the chain guides for wear.
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No idea about diesels but father has the 2.2 petrol in his Astra cabrio and that started the timing chain rattling and his is supposed to be the newer one that the oil ways don't block up on.
Two new chains and tensioners and gaskets etc. later and back to being a lovely engine.
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No idea about diesels but father has the 2.2 petrol in his Astra cabrio and that started the timing chain rattling and his is supposed to be the newer one that the oil ways don't block up on.
Two new chains and tensioners and gaskets etc. later and back to being a lovely engine.
This is a petrol.
How much did that little lot cost to do?
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Trouble is I don't know what a noisy chain sounds like :-\
This rattle is like a broken exhaust bracket, a tinny type rattle.
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In the main you will always hear a little bit but it does sound like you need the guides replacing.
No idea about the cost though, sorry can't help there.
Jon
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the only time my senator was noisy, was when there was no silencer.
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the only time my senator was noisy, was when there was no silencer.
Very true, there straight six engines were fine.
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Had a Mk1 Carlton once on tickover it rattled like a can of marbles,but when revved noise went as the "whip" of the chain "straightened" it.It never let me down though even though it also used to blow oil out of the air filter!!!
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Modified oil feed or not, shit servicing will result in wear and noise on any chain driven cam engine......ask a BMW 2.0 diesel owner.....
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Modified oil feed or not, shit servicing will result in wear and noise on any chain driven cam engine......ask a BMW 2.0 diesel owner.....
Agreed Mark. It does have full history tho, serviced every 10k :-\
I don't know for certain it is the chain but can't find an obvious cause of the rattle which sounds a bit like a loose heat shield.
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No idea about diesels but father has the 2.2 petrol in his Astra cabrio and that started the timing chain rattling and his is supposed to be the newer one that the oil ways don't block up on.
Two new chains and tensioners and gaskets etc. later and back to being a lovely engine.
This is a petrol.
How much did that little lot cost to do?
Sorry for late reply. I didit myself, not s bad as you think. If you can do a V6 cambelt you can do a 2.2 chain. I think all in it prob cost around £200 with gaskets fluids etc.
If you want to have a go I have the official video of how to do it here. I will have to dig it out of a drawer. PM your address if you want a copy and I will pop it in the post.
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Any experts near by that could listen to ascertain weather or not it's the chain?
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Have a look on this site http://www.astraownersclub.com/vb/forum.php if your not already a member. They have a Zaffy section as well. There are some very knowledgeable people on there. There are also a lot of boy racers so you have to weed out the good posters. That looks bad when I write it out, what I mean to say is they have different requirements from me, sorry if it sounded bad.
I got the video I am posting you off a very decent chap on there :y Many thanks go to Ffoeg for supplying the video
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Had a Mk1 Carlton once on tickover it rattled like a can of marbles,but when revved noise went as the "whip" of the chain "straightened" it.It never let me down though even though it also used to blow oil out of the air filter!!!
Thought Carltons had a timing belt - one of the loan ones I had whilst mine was in for service ( a 2.0i with 5K miles on clock) certainly did - as the belt broke one morning on starting it up!! Seem to remember that the LCs had a timing chain though ???
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My 3.0 Carlton was chain :y
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My 3.0 Carlton was chain :y
Yep you're right, fraid my memory's going - my 3.0GSi was indeed chain driven, but had an older 2.0i which deffo was belt driven
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Had a Mk1 Carlton once on tickover it rattled like a can of marbles,but when revved noise went as the "whip" of the chain "straightened" it.It never let me down though even though it also used to blow oil out of the air filter!!!
Thought Carltons had a timing belt - one of the loan ones I had whilst mine was in for service ( a 2.0i with 5K miles on clock) certainly did - as the belt broke one morning on starting it up!! Seem to remember that the LCs had a timing chain though ???
Mk1 Carltons had the cam in head (CIH) engine with a camchain.
Mk2 Carltons (Omega A) had the OHC engine with a cambelt.
IIRC the CIH engine had self adjusting tappets (lifters) operating on short rockers. Setting the preload correctly for the lifters involved running the engine with the rocker cover removed and loosening the adjuster nut on each rocker in turn until it rattled then tightening it by a certain number of turns. A messy job as all the time it was running the cam chain was flinging oil up in the air. I still have the tin guard I made to keep (most) of the oil from escaping.
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Had a Mk1 Carlton once on tickover it rattled like a can of marbles,but when revved noise went as the "whip" of the chain "straightened" it.It never let me down though even though it also used to blow oil out of the air filter!!!
Thought Carltons had a timing belt - one of the loan ones I had whilst mine was in for service ( a 2.0i with 5K miles on clock) certainly did - as the belt broke one morning on starting it up!! Seem to remember that the LCs had a timing chain though ???
Mk1 Carltons had the cam in head (CIH) engine with a camchain.
Mk2 Carltons (Omega A) had the OHC engine with a cambelt.
IIRC the CIH engine had self adjusting tappets (lifters) operating on short rockers. Setting the preload correctly for the lifters involved running the engine with the rocker cover removed and loosening the adjuster nut on each rocker in turn until it rattled then tightening it by a certain number of turns. A messy job as all the time it was running the cam chain was flinging oil up in the air. I still have the tin guard I made to keep (most) of the oil from escaping.
Certainly all the Carltons I had were company cars - from memory had Mk1 1.8GLi, 2 x Mk2 2.0CDi and 2 x Mk2 3.0GSi. Guess I never had the need to look that closely - although the loaner which broke a cam belt was a Mk2 2.0i.
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Had a Mk1 Carlton once on tickover it rattled like a can of marbles,but when revved noise went as the "whip" of the chain "straightened" it.It never let me down though even though it also used to blow oil out of the air filter!!!
Thought Carltons had a timing belt - one of the loan ones I had whilst mine was in for service ( a 2.0i with 5K miles on clock) certainly did - as the belt broke one morning on starting it up!! Seem to remember that the LCs had a timing chain though ???
Mk1 Carltons had the cam in head (CIH) engine with a camchain.
Mk2 Carltons (Omega A) had the OHC engine with a cambelt.
IIRC the CIH engine had self adjusting tappets (lifters) operating on short rockers. Setting the preload correctly for the lifters involved running the engine with the rocker cover removed and loosening the adjuster nut on each rocker in turn until it rattled then tightening it by a certain number of turns. A messy job as all the time it was running the cam chain was flinging oil up in the air. I still have the tin guard I made to keep (most) of the oil from escaping.
The 2.0 had the hydraulic followers, slacken until noisey then tighten on full tunr in 1/4 turn steps.
Never had to many issues with oil mess when a guard was fitted.
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Modified oil feed or not, shit servicing will result in wear and noise on any chain driven cam engine......ask a BMW 2.0 diesel owner.....
Agreed Mark. It does have full history tho, serviced every 10k :-\
I don't know for certain it is the chain but can't find an obvious cause of the rattle which sounds a bit like a loose heat shield.
So we now consider 10K mile servicing with oil of uknown vintage and driving of unknown type good servicing..... :y
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It's vauxhall serviced and below there recommen :-*ded interval. So my point is the chain should still be ok :-*
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Had a Mk1 Carlton once on tickover it rattled like a can of marbles,but when revved noise went as the "whip" of the chain "straightened" it.It never let me down though even though it also used to blow oil out of the air filter!!!
Thought Carltons had a timing belt - one of the loan ones I had whilst mine was in for service ( a 2.0i with 5K miles on clock) certainly did - as the belt broke one morning on starting it up!! Seem to remember that the LCs had a timing chain though ???
Mk1 Carltons had the cam in head (CIH) engine with a camchain.
Mk2 Carltons (Omega A) had the OHC engine with a cambelt.
IIRC the CIH engine had self adjusting tappets (lifters) operating on short rockers. Setting the preload correctly for the lifters involved running the engine with the rocker cover removed and loosening the adjuster nut on each rocker in turn until it rattled then tightening it by a certain number of turns. A messy job as all the time it was running the cam chain was flinging oil up in the air. I still have the tin guard I made to keep (most) of the oil from escaping.
The 2.0 had the hydraulic followers, slacken until noisey then tighten on full tunr in 1/4 turn steps.
Never had to many issues with oil mess when a guard was fitted.
A lot of us Manta, Ascona and Cavalier mk1 owners got an old rocker cover and just cut the top out. Virtually no oil loss at all :) We where to young to afford the early Carltons and Viceroys allthough I thought the Viceroy had the 2.5 engine. All so long ago memory not what it once was.
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Yep,Viceroy had 2.5 straight six motor[carb fed] Royale had 2.8 straight six-did some get 3.0 motor?-also on carb.
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It's vauxhall serviced and below there recommen :-*ded interval. So my point is the chain should still be ok :-*
Assuming the oil/filter was ever changed ::)
The '58 Vectra at work was a former Enterprise car, bought through Network Q with full history. It's first actual service was at two years old and 32k, ie as part of the deal for buying it :-X
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Ok fair point. I can only go by the service record and assume it's been done.
Trying to get back on track a bit lol
Are these 2.2yh engines noisy by nature?
I'm not convinced its the chain but on the other hand I don't know what it should or shouldn't sound like :-\
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From memory this is what dads sounded like http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VEO75MJJvLE