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Title: Problem with the 3.2 Elite
Post by: Mr.OmegaMan on 20 July 2013, 21:39:15
While driving (enthusiastically) the battery light came on and when i got home on idle the engine wasnt running level.. Will upload a video of the engine at idle..  :'(

Any ideas what could be the cause of this problem  :-\
Title: Re: Problem with the 3.2 Elite
Post by: Mr.OmegaMan on 20 July 2013, 21:53:39
Video Engine at idle.  :(

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=46JByaC-GZs&feature=em-upload_owner
Title: Re: Problem with the 3.2 Elite
Post by: Mr.OmegaMan on 20 July 2013, 21:54:43
Probably the alternator. Will have to take things apart tomorrow.
Title: Re: Problem with the 3.2 Elite
Post by: chrisgixer on 20 July 2013, 21:58:28
That sounds like a bucket of bolts.

But not sue what you mean by "level". Misfiring?

Battery light points to Alternator in my hopeless electrical experience.
Title: Re: Problem with the 3.2 Elite
Post by: Mr.OmegaMan on 20 July 2013, 22:00:17
That sounds like a bucket of bolts.

But not sue what you mean by "level". Misfiring?

Battery light points to Alternator in my hopeless electrical experience.

As in up and down in revs. 1st time this has happened  :-\
Title: Re: Problem with the 3.2 Elite
Post by: TheBoy on 20 July 2013, 22:02:07
Any codes?

Is the aux belt in tact still?

Suspect, given 3.2 alternators, its that that has failed, and is probably being upset by too much or too little lectricity.
Title: Re: Problem with the 3.2 Elite
Post by: dbug on 20 July 2013, 22:07:40
I'd agree with duff alternator.

Just listened to the vid - jeez that engine sounds really rough - like a bag of nails ???
Title: Re: Problem with the 3.2 Elite
Post by: chrisgixer on 20 July 2013, 22:08:53
If sourcing a new alternator( via the vx exchange service on trade club,in my case )make sure they are aware there has been a batch of 3.0 alternators wrongly boxed and labeled as 3.2 ones.
So they need to physically check what's in the box.
Title: Re: Problem with the 3.2 Elite
Post by: Mr.OmegaMan on 20 July 2013, 22:10:42
Any codes?

Is the aux belt in tact still?

Suspect, given 3.2 alternators, its that that has failed, and is probably being upset by too much or too little lectricity.

Don't have a code reader any more unfortunately,

Had a new belt and tensioner around a month  a go, Still intact.

Probably the alternator or lose wires maybe even. Will try and eliminate things tomorrow.
Title: Re: Problem with the 3.2 Elite
Post by: TheBoy on 20 July 2013, 22:12:32
Pedal trick?
Title: Re: Problem with the 3.2 Elite
Post by: chrisgixer on 20 July 2013, 22:13:35
Pedal trick Pike. Pedal trick. ;)
Title: Re: Problem with the 3.2 Elite
Post by: Mr.OmegaMan on 20 July 2013, 22:17:43
Seriously you think it sounds like a bag of nails  ??? :-\

EDIT: Should Probably Add: Engine has done 190k

Will try pedal trick and upload the video here if someone could read the codes.  :)


Title: Re: Problem with the 3.2 Elite
Post by: dbug on 20 July 2013, 22:21:00
Seriously you think it sounds like a bag of nails  ??? :-\

EDIT: Should Probably Add: Engine has done 190k

Will try pedal trick and upload the video here if someone could read the codes.  :)

Sorry Jay, but yes ???
Title: Re: Problem with the 3.2 Elite
Post by: Mr.OmegaMan on 20 July 2013, 22:24:14
Seriously you think it sounds like a bag of nails  ??? :-\

EDIT: Should Probably Add: Engine has done 190k

Will try pedal trick and upload the video here if someone could read the codes.  :)

Sorry Jay, but yes ???

Doing this probably blew the bloody thing up causing these problems, That's mate's for you wasn't going to go out tonight.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nsq2kKICdBI&feature=em-upload_owner
Title: Re: Problem with the 3.2 Elite
Post by: chrisgixer on 20 July 2013, 22:32:34
Christ I wouldn't rev the tats off it :o
Title: Re: Problem with the 3.2 Elite
Post by: chrisgixer on 20 July 2013, 22:33:32
Might be the microphone being overpowered by the noise mind.

Now that pedal trick?
Title: Re: Problem with the 3.2 Elite
Post by: Mr.OmegaMan on 20 July 2013, 22:36:57
Might be the microphone being overpowered by the noise mind.

Now that pedal trick?

Uploading, I cant read/ understand it.
Title: Re: Problem with the 3.2 Elite
Post by: Mr.OmegaMan on 20 July 2013, 22:38:43
Might be the microphone being overpowered by the noise mind.

Now that pedal trick?

Pretty sure I Didn't hit the rev limiter. Could be the stainless exhaust being louder.
Title: Re: Problem with the 3.2 Elite
Post by: chrisgixer on 20 July 2013, 22:42:59
Might be the microphone being overpowered by the noise mind.

Now that pedal trick?

Pretty sure I Didn't hit the rev limiter. Could be the stainless exhaust being louder.
But we don't know what's wrong with it yet?

Re speakers I meant he first video.

Anyway. Codes man. Codes. :)
Title: Re: Problem with the 3.2 Elite
Post by: TheBoy on 20 July 2013, 22:43:32
Someone tell me the codes. Can't do gaytube, does my bloody head in.

Mileage isn't an issue with these engines if looked after properly. My 3.0l will flick over 206k next time I use it, sweet as a nut.
Title: Re: Problem with the 3.2 Elite
Post by: Mr.OmegaMan on 20 July 2013, 22:43:49
Might be the microphone being overpowered by the noise mind.

Now that pedal trick?

Pretty sure I Didn't hit the rev limiter. Could be the stainless exhaust being louder.
But we don't know what's wrong with it yet?

Re speakers I meant he first video.

Anyway. Codes man. Codes. :)

Hope someone can read these codes  :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z_ksVH_nIpY
Title: Re: Problem with the 3.2 Elite
Post by: Mr.OmegaMan on 20 July 2013, 22:44:28
Someone tell me the codes. Can't do gaytube, does my bloody head in.

Mileage isn't an issue with these engines if looked after properly. My 3.0l will flick over 206k next time I use it, sweet as a nut.

I'll try and upload to photobucket as well.
Title: Re: Problem with the 3.2 Elite
Post by: chrisgixer on 20 July 2013, 22:51:13
I make that

0660 that's not right
0430 pre cat
0420 pre cat
0130 O2 related
0150 02 related
0170 fuel trim

Checking

Re counting first code
Title: Re: Problem with the 3.2 Elite
Post by: Mr.OmegaMan on 20 July 2013, 22:53:12
Someone tell me the codes. Can't do gaytube, does my bloody head in.

Mileage isn't an issue with these engines if looked after properly. My 3.0l will flick over 206k next time I use it, sweet as a nut.

Here's the 1st video engine at idle after the problem when at home..

(http://i1158.photobucket.com/albums/p620/Agemo_Legend/th_F010A0AF-D528-401F-AE2F-7DDFD2E5AB58-3913-0000025DC4EAECD9_zpse5e687d7.jpg) (http://i1158.photobucket.com/albums/p620/Agemo_Legend/F010A0AF-D528-401F-AE2F-7DDFD2E5AB58-3913-0000025DC4EAECD9_zpse5e687d7.mp4)

Before the issues (but i think this probably caused it)..

(http://i1158.photobucket.com/albums/p620/Agemo_Legend/th_6DC726D0-AB68-4AA4-A15E-C28B24E8006B-3913-0000025CBDA59E12_zps0fa6bc9d.jpg) (http://i1158.photobucket.com/albums/p620/Agemo_Legend/6DC726D0-AB68-4AA4-A15E-C28B24E8006B-3913-0000025CBDA59E12_zps0fa6bc9d.mp4)

Wont bother with engine codes video, Chris has very kindly done them  :)
Title: Re: Problem with the 3.2 Elite
Post by: chrisgixer on 20 July 2013, 22:56:33
I make that

0660 that's not right
0430 pre cat
0420 pre cat
0130 O2 related
0150 02 related
0170 fuel trim

Checking

Re counting first code

Correction. First one 0650

Going bog eyed here ;D
Title: Re: Problem with the 3.2 Elite
Post by: chrisgixer on 20 July 2013, 22:57:53
0650 someone's removed the mil bulb to hide pre cat issue.

Sounds like its struggling for electric to me. See what Groomer says. :)
Title: Re: Problem with the 3.2 Elite
Post by: Mr.OmegaMan on 20 July 2013, 22:58:35
I make that

0660 that's not right
0430 pre cat
0420 pre cat
0130 O2 related
0150 02 related
0170 fuel trim

Checking

Re counting first code

Correction. First one 0650

Going bog eyed here ;D

The two hi-lighted seem to be new ones the other four codes came up when i got it just haven't got round to sorting them yet.

EDIT: One sec i'll check old thread i made some months ago...
Title: Re: Problem with the 3.2 Elite
Post by: TheBoy on 20 July 2013, 22:59:59
Trims are concerning, and may be responsible for it running poor. But there are so many lamda codes, difficult to see wood for trees.

Next step is get a meter on the battery, and see whats happening there.
Title: Re: Problem with the 3.2 Elite
Post by: Mr.OmegaMan on 20 July 2013, 23:02:00
Correction these are the codes i had last time.

P0650
P0420
P0430
P0130

so this is the new one 0170 fuel trim ..
Title: Re: Problem with the 3.2 Elite
Post by: Mr.OmegaMan on 20 July 2013, 23:02:31
Trims are concerning, and may be responsible for it running poor. But there are so many lamda codes, difficult to see wood for trees.

Next step is get a meter on the battery, and see whats happening there.

Will check that tomorrow  :y
Title: Re: Problem with the 3.2 Elite
Post by: 05omegav6 on 21 July 2013, 04:09:53
Mileage isn't an issue with these engines if properly ragged. My 3.2l will flick over 249k next time I use it, sweet as a bitter lemon.
fixed ::)

Didn't know VX made a 3.2 diesel :-X

Even on five cylinders, mine wasn't that rough :-\

When was the exhaust fitted? What work has it had done recently :-\

Surprised that is all the codes though, it does sound like it's missing...
Title: Re: Problem with the 3.2 Elite
Post by: Mr.OmegaMan on 21 July 2013, 04:32:54
Mileage isn't an issue with these engines if properly ragged. My 3.2l will flick over 249k next time I use it, sweet as a bitter lemon.
fixed ::)

Didn't know VX made a 3.2 diesel :-X

Even on five cylinders, mine wasn't that rough :-\

When was the exhaust fitted? What work has it had done recently :-\

Surprised that is all the codes though, it does sound like it's missing...

When you say rough do you mean the tappety sounds ? As apart from that it sounds like any Omega V6 I've come accross tbh although listening back on the video it doesn't sound the same as in person with your own ears not exactly anyway, It's been like that since I got it although since I serviced it several weeks ago its been getting better, better when hot also. When revved it sounds level to me (nothing to do with the videos this was after them) sounds like normal when not ideling and on the way home there was no difference in power felt the same till i got home and noticed the unusual idle manner, just when at idle its erratic up and down sort of thing the video didn't pick that up very well, also the interior lights, MID etc, go brighter and dimmer along with the revs which I presume is something to do with that battery light.

Will update on my finding tomorrow afternoon/evening. And I hope it's nothing too serious.
Title: Re: Problem with the 3.2 Elite
Post by: 05omegav6 on 21 July 2013, 12:16:56
What oil did you use?

I found 5W30 to be a touch on the thin side the first and only time I used it, even with lifter treatment. 10W40 seems to agree with it more :-\

Are the plugs still tight?
Title: Re: Problem with the 3.2 Elite
Post by: Mr.OmegaMan on 21 July 2013, 12:23:45
What oil did you use?

I found 5W30 to be a touch on the thin side the first and only time I used it, even with lifter treatment. 10W40 seems to agree with it more :-\

Are the plugs still tight?

All Genuine correct GM parts, 10W40 oil and filter. Spark plugs, air filter...

Haven't checked spark plugs are slack or not since fitting though.
Title: Re: Problem with the 3.2 Elite
Post by: 05omegav6 on 21 July 2013, 12:28:28
Worth double checking from the noise, given a lack of misfire codes :-\ mine sounded a bit like that before it lunched one of the plugs :o Also, are the plugs twin electrode or quads? Might be coincidence, but the plug mine chewed up was a twin one, had no issues with quads :y

The battery light is a different issue altogether...
Title: Re: Problem with the 3.2 Elite
Post by: Mr.OmegaMan on 21 July 2013, 12:32:00
Worth double checking from the noise, given a lack of misfire codes :-\ mine sounded a bit like that before it lunched one of the plugs :o

The battery light is a different issue altogether...

Will do  :y bet that was a sight  :o  :(

Well the battery I bought myself last year a Bosch S5 battery new so can't be that or very unlikely at least.

Wonder if using the AirCon frequently recently has put the final nail in the coffin for the alternator so to speak  :-\

EDIT: Yep got GM quads also.
Title: Re: Problem with the 3.2 Elite
Post by: chrisgixer on 21 July 2013, 13:36:02
... as Al says,  Just a thought,plugs do work loose. 25nm torque setting. Then go over them again as master says, after the crush washers have relaxed.

But primarily, see what the battery is doing via Kevs guide on battery charging. This will tell you what the alternator is doing, via the battery readings.

Hopefully the charging system is all to cock and spark plugs and possibly 02 sensors(?) are being affected. But the fuel trim code and the lack of a working eml due to pre cat codes, with bulb or otherwise, is quite concerning IMO. Lets hope its not run lean too long.

Runs off to look at the exhaust video again. See if its black or ash grey.
Title: Re: Problem with the 3.2 Elite
Post by: Mr.OmegaMan on 21 July 2013, 13:45:14
... as Al says,  Just a thought,plugs do work loose. 25nm torque setting. Then go over them again as master says, after the crush washers have relaxed.

But primarily, see what the battery is doing via Kevs guide on battery charging. This will tell you what the alternator is doing, via the battery readings.

Hopefully the charging system is all to cock and spark plugs and possibly 02 sensors(?) are being affected. But the fuel trim code and the lack of a working eml due to pre cat codes, with bulb or otherwise, is quite concerning IMO. Lets hope its not run lean too long.

Runs off to look at the exhaust video again. See if its black or ash grey.

I've got the full rear view of the car video unedited and I can't see any type of smoke I presume that's some good news at least, But does sound more of a whooshing sound in the video than in real time with your own ears. Compared to other V6 Omega exhaust videos on YouTube mine sounds different most likely the stainless exhaust and being in an open area and the wind was picking up also  :-\

Title: Re: Problem with the 3.2 Elite
Post by: chrisgixer on 21 July 2013, 13:49:52
... as Al says,  Just a thought,plugs do work loose. 25nm torque setting. Then go over them again as master says, after the crush washers have relaxed.

But primarily, see what the battery is doing via Kevs guide on battery charging. This will tell you what the alternator is doing, via the battery readings.

Hopefully the charging system is all to cock and spark plugs and possibly 02 sensors(?) are being affected. But the fuel trim code and the lack of a working eml due to pre cat codes, with bulb or otherwise, is quite concerning IMO. Lets hope its not run lean too long.

Runs off to look at the exhaust video again. See if its black or ash grey.

I've got the full rear view of the car video unedited and I can't see any type of smoke I presume that's some good news at least, But does sound more of a whooshing sound in the video than in real time with your own ears. Compared to other V6 Omega exhaust videos on YouTube mine sounds different most likely the stainless exhaust and being in an open area and the wind was picking up also  :-\


Yes I thought I heard a whooshing, jet type noise. Blocked exhaust?  Inner tail pipe looks black so rich if anything, going by that.

But first things first. Battery readings. (Or are we on the second thing now? ;) )
Title: Re: Problem with the 3.2 Elite
Post by: Mr.OmegaMan on 21 July 2013, 13:53:10
... as Al says,  Just a thought,plugs do work loose. 25nm torque setting. Then go over them again as master says, after the crush washers have relaxed.

But primarily, see what the battery is doing via Kevs guide on battery charging. This will tell you what the alternator is doing, via the battery readings.

Hopefully the charging system is all to cock and spark plugs and possibly 02 sensors(?) are being affected. But the fuel trim code and the lack of a working eml due to pre cat codes, with bulb or otherwise, is quite concerning IMO. Lets hope its not run lean too long.

Runs off to look at the exhaust video again. See if its black or ash grey.

I've got the full rear view of the car video unedited and I can't see any type of smoke I presume that's some good news at least, But does sound more of a whooshing sound in the video than in real time with your own ears. Compared to other V6 Omega exhaust videos on YouTube mine sounds different most likely the stainless exhaust and being in an open area and the wind was picking up also  :-\


Yes I thought I heard a whooshing, jet type noise. Blocked exhaust?  Inner tail pipe looks black so rich if anything, going by that.

But first things first. Battery readings. (Or are we on the second thing now? ;) )

The pressure or force of the exhaust gasses seems free flowing think i'll leave that for now though  ;)

Aye I better get off here or i'll never get anything done  ;D
Title: Re: Problem with the 3.2 Elite
Post by: terry paget on 21 July 2013, 14:09:35
Yes, alternator most likely.
I don't like the sound of it, I cannot gauge how loud it is. If it has suddenly got much louder, it is like I heard once when the cam belt had jumped two teeth.
Title: Re: Problem with the 3.2 Elite
Post by: Mr.OmegaMan on 21 July 2013, 18:09:04
Checked the battery first with 2 different types of meters and both pointed to a iffy alternator and drained battery (tried 2 different used known good batteries same issue) But suddenly corrected its self for around 10 minutes battery light went out and engine back to normal till i turned pretty much every electric draining feature on the Omega to put a strain on it and the battery light came back on again and ran rough up and down in revs again.

Once the alternator was removed there is a noise present when spinning it. 

Going to get a quote tomorrow to get it reconditioned and get a quote for a replacement from OSP.

Was going to get this but not the same part number and looks different  ??? :-\.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/380452340584?ssPageName=STRK:MESINDXX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1436.l2649

Here's some pictures from today... Hell of a job to get it off was pretty stuck in there.

(http://i1158.photobucket.com/albums/p620/Agemo_Legend/9D9809D5-10CD-49C3-BA7C-516D92EE3A45-5144-00000314502534D8_zpsba348af9.jpg) (http://s1158.photobucket.com/user/Agemo_Legend/media/9D9809D5-10CD-49C3-BA7C-516D92EE3A45-5144-00000314502534D8_zpsba348af9.jpg.html)
(http://i1158.photobucket.com/albums/p620/Agemo_Legend/2E847164-8CAC-4C58-B1B8-8D2F6701499D-5144-000003142C7BCA72_zps1600d19a.jpg) (http://s1158.photobucket.com/user/Agemo_Legend/media/2E847164-8CAC-4C58-B1B8-8D2F6701499D-5144-000003142C7BCA72_zps1600d19a.jpg.html)
(http://i1158.photobucket.com/albums/p620/Agemo_Legend/3714CC2D-5C80-4D57-9D7F-625CCE0A3D9F-5144-0000031423163CD8_zps2be2badb.jpg) (http://s1158.photobucket.com/user/Agemo_Legend/media/3714CC2D-5C80-4D57-9D7F-625CCE0A3D9F-5144-0000031423163CD8_zps2be2badb.jpg.html)
(http://i1158.photobucket.com/albums/p620/Agemo_Legend/698C5A39-4576-4D89-8E8C-DC78782F87B5-5144-000003140FB4F7FE_zps025f1f30.jpg) (http://s1158.photobucket.com/user/Agemo_Legend/media/698C5A39-4576-4D89-8E8C-DC78782F87B5-5144-000003140FB4F7FE_zps025f1f30.jpg.html)

car's knackered and I'm knackered now  :o ;D
Title: Re: Problem with the 3.2 Elite
Post by: Mr.OmegaMan on 21 July 2013, 18:51:52
Could someone please confirm that the alternator in the picture is the correct type for the 3.2 Just encase. Thanks  :)
Title: Re: Problem with the 3.2 Elite
Post by: 05omegav6 on 21 July 2013, 19:10:22
They vary car to car depending on build date and original purpose :-\

If the connections match your one then it should be suitable :y
Title: Re: Problem with the 3.2 Elite
Post by: chrisgixer on 21 July 2013, 19:15:04
Looks correct, but can't confirm the one I took office is the same, as I only took pics if the new one vx eventually sent me as correct. Which was visually the same but 140amp
(http://i344.photobucket.com/albums/p326/chrisgixer/D930F5BB-B858-44EC-B9D3-692EC2603D39-35971-00000F3BFF771CBA_zps795ba5e2.jpg)
Title: Re: Problem with the 3.2 Elite
Post by: Mr.OmegaMan on 21 July 2013, 22:57:00
Looks correct, but can't confirm the one I took office is the same, as I only took pics if the new one vx eventually sent me as correct. Which was visually the same but 140amp
(http://i344.photobucket.com/albums/p326/chrisgixer/D930F5BB-B858-44EC-B9D3-692EC2603D39-35971-00000F3BFF771CBA_zps795ba5e2.jpg)

That looks the same apart from being 140a, Pretty sure I read somewhere on OOF that the 120a tend to be more reliable  ::) like hell they are  ;D

Oh btw I checked the rear end of the exhaust with a strong torch nothing blocking it on the rear straight part anyway and it's pretty dry with the odd black marks less than the 2.2 if I'm honest  :-X

Also if anyone has a known good alternator please PM me i might be interested  :y
Title: Re: Problem with the 3.2 Elite
Post by: chrisgixer on 21 July 2013, 23:55:40
Er, not sure on the reliability comparing the ones fitted to dbw engines.

They say the 2.5 and 3.0 ones are more reliable generally though, but then, my 2.5 alt failed early doors in my ownership anyway. All sorts of gremilns running round the wires that day. :o (assuming 2.5 and 3.0 alternators are the same? :-\ )
Title: Re: Problem with the 3.2 Elite
Post by: Mr.OmegaMan on 22 July 2013, 17:39:51
Well I've taken it to get refurbished someone I've known for many years been doing these type of repairs for 30 odd years, Should be ready tomorrow  :)
Title: Re: Problem with the 3.2 Elite
Post by: Mr.OmegaMan on 22 July 2013, 19:29:54
Also checked the spark plugs all tight as they should be none lose no oil nice and dry  :) and while i was at it cleaned the breathers which weren't that bad anyway's but seen as many things are off the front of the engine access is much better and just did some general cleaning around the engine and checking everything is all there and in its place  :y.. Hopefully I'll get the alternator tomorrow and she'll fire up with a fully functional alternator  :)
Title: Re: Problem with the 3.2 Elite
Post by: Shackeng on 22 July 2013, 19:42:08
looking at the video, the coolant looks very pale. What are you using?
Title: Re: Problem with the 3.2 Elite
Post by: Mr.OmegaMan on 22 July 2013, 19:43:35
looking at the video, the coolant looks very pale. What are you using?

Trust me its clear and blue it's just the expansion tank that needs replacing.
Title: Re: Problem with the 3.2 Elite
Post by: 05omegav6 on 22 July 2013, 20:05:37
looking at the video, the coolant looks very pale. What are you using?

Trust me its clear and blue it's just the expansion tank that needs replacing.

That coolant isn't compatible with that engine. The corrosion inhibiters aren't designed for alloy components. Best be changing it sharpish :-\
Title: Re: Problem with the 3.2 Elite
Post by: Mr.OmegaMan on 22 July 2013, 20:06:58
looking at the video, the coolant looks very pale. What are you using?

Trust me its clear and blue it's just the expansion tank that needs replacing.

That coolant isn't compatible with that engine. The corrosion inhibiters aren't designed for alloy components. Best be changing it sharpish :-\

Looking at the receipts it was done at a VX garage 2011  :-\
Title: Re: Problem with the 3.2 Elite
Post by: 05omegav6 on 22 July 2013, 20:08:38
Stoopid is as stoopid does ::)
Title: Re: Problem with the 3.2 Elite
Post by: Mr.OmegaMan on 22 July 2013, 20:11:31
Stoopid is as stoopid does ::)

Looking on eBay GM/VX stuff is red yes ?  :-\
Title: Re: Problem with the 3.2 Elite
Post by: Broomies Mate on 22 July 2013, 20:13:12
Stoopid is as stoopid does ::)

Looking on eBay GM/VX stuff is red yes ?  :-\

 :y
Title: Re: Problem with the 3.2 Elite
Post by: Mr.OmegaMan on 22 July 2013, 20:16:03
Stoopid is as stoopid does ::)

Looking on eBay GM/VX stuff is red yes ?  :-\

 :y

I'll add it on the list of the things to do then   :P :(

Thought it would be okay seen as its clean. Didn't VX do blue antifreeze though ?
Title: Re: Problem with the 3.2 Elite
Post by: 05omegav6 on 22 July 2013, 20:38:55
Not since the mid/late '90s ::)
Title: Re: Problem with the 3.2 Elite
Post by: Mr.OmegaMan on 22 July 2013, 20:44:30
Not since the mid/late '90s ::)

It's a faffy job to change the coolant though i believe and dangerous. I suppose i couldn't just add some red stuff  :-\ I already know the answer just cba at the moment with everything else.
Title: Re: Problem with the 3.2 Elite
Post by: Andy B on 22 July 2013, 20:46:59
Not since the mid/late '90s ::)

It's a faffy job to change the coolant though i believe and dangerous.  ....

how is changing coolant dangerous?  ???  ;D  ;D
Title: Re: Problem with the 3.2 Elite
Post by: Broomies Mate on 22 July 2013, 20:47:52
Not since the mid/late '90s ::)

It's a faffy job to change the coolant though i believe and dangerous.  ....

how is changing coolant dangerous?  ???  ;D  ;D

Might accidental get it mixed up with squash and drink some??????  ::)
Title: Re: Problem with the 3.2 Elite
Post by: Mr.OmegaMan on 22 July 2013, 20:48:27
Not since the mid/late '90s ::)

It's a faffy job to change the coolant though i believe and dangerous.  ....

how is changing coolant dangerous?  ???  ;D  ;D

Poisonousness ain't it  ??? I'll do it when i change the expansion tank.. i know its a 50/50 mix but how much does it hold 6L ?
Title: Re: Problem with the 3.2 Elite
Post by: Andy B on 22 July 2013, 20:48:47
Robinson's barley water perhaps!  ;D  ;D  ;D
Title: Re: Problem with the 3.2 Elite
Post by: dbug on 22 July 2013, 20:50:51
looking at the video, the coolant looks very pale. What are you using?

Trust me its clear and blue it's just the expansion tank that needs replacing.

That coolant isn't compatible with that engine. The corrosion inhibiters aren't designed for alloy components. Best be changing it sharpish :-\

Not quite correct - blue and green anti-frezes are compatible but are not long life - needing changing every 1 - 2 years max. Red a/fs usually give a minimum of 5 years protection.

Look here http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/index.php?topic=58120.0 (http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/index.php?topic=58120.0)
Title: Re: Problem with the 3.2 Elite
Post by: 05omegav6 on 22 July 2013, 20:51:16
Bucket under radiator drain, refill with distilled water. Run engine up to temp. Repeat until bucket is clear, then add 5 litres of red VX coolant, topping with 50/50.

Old coolant can be flushed down the toilet, not down street drains :y
Title: Re: Problem with the 3.2 Elite
Post by: Andy B on 22 July 2013, 20:52:02
Not since the mid/late '90s ::)

It's a faffy job to change the coolant though i believe and dangerous.  ....

how is changing coolant dangerous?  ???  ;D  ;D

Poisonousness ain't it  ??? I'll do it when i change the expansion tank.. i know its a 50/50 mix but how much does it hold 6L ?

Have you tasted the pink coolant? you wouldn't drink very much of it!! It's vile!  ;D  ;D  ;D

Capacity is around 10 litres, so drain it all from the rad tap, top it up with fresh water. Repeat till clear ie all the old coolant is out. Drop the coolant via the rad tap, pour in 5 litres of pink,  top up with fresh water .... that's it!  .... ish
Title: Re: Problem with the 3.2 Elite
Post by: Mr.OmegaMan on 22 July 2013, 20:54:46
looking at the video, the coolant looks very pale. What are you using?

Trust me its clear and blue it's just the expansion tank that needs replacing.

That coolant isn't compatible with that engine. The corrosion inhibiters aren't designed for alloy components. Best be changing it sharpish :-\

Not quite correct - blue and green anti-frezes are compatible but are not long life - needing changing every 1 - 2 years max. Red a/fs usually give a minimum of 5 years protection.

So it was done late 2011 so its due then  :-\

Bucket under radiator drain, refill with distilled water. Run engine up to temp. Repeat until bucket is clear, then add 5 litres of red VX coolant, topping with 50/50.

Old coolant can be flushed down the toilet, not down street drains :y

Not since the mid/late '90s ::)

It's a faffy job to change the coolant though i believe and dangerous.  ....

how is changing coolant dangerous?  ???  ;D  ;D

Poisonousness ain't it  ??? I'll do it when i change the expansion tank.. i know its a 50/50 mix but how much does it hold 6L ?

Have you tasted the pink coolant? you wouldn't drink very much of it!! It's vile!  ;D  ;D  ;D

Capacity is around 10 litres, so drain it all from the rad tap, top it up with fresh water. Repeat till clear ie all the old coolant is out. Drop the coolant via the rad tap, pour in 5 litres of pink,  top up with fresh water .... that's it!  .... ish

Thanks very handy..

Na i got some out the expansion tank to check it then put it back it.
Title: Re: Problem with the 3.2 Elite
Post by: 05omegav6 on 22 July 2013, 20:56:56
Hell of an echo in here ::)
Title: Re: Problem with the 3.2 Elite
Post by: Mr.OmegaMan on 22 July 2013, 20:59:36
One thing at a time mind got to get the car running first, Currently its just a paperweight  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Problem with the 3.2 Elite
Post by: Andy B on 22 July 2013, 21:00:37
Hell of an echo in here ::)

say again .......  ::) ;)
Title: Re: Problem with the 3.2 Elite
Post by: Broomies Mate on 22 July 2013, 21:01:06
Hell of an echo in here  ::)
Title: Re: Problem with the 3.2 Elite
Post by: Andy B on 22 July 2013, 21:01:31
Hell of an echo in here  ::)

 ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Problem with the 3.2 Elite
Post by: TheBoy on 22 July 2013, 21:40:51
looking at the video, the coolant looks very pale. What are you using?

Trust me its clear and blue it's just the expansion tank that needs replacing.

That coolant isn't compatible with that engine. The corrosion inhibiters aren't designed for alloy components. Best be changing it sharpish :-\

Looking at the receipts it was done at a VX garage 2011  :-\
So overdue anyway then.
Title: Re: Problem with the 3.2 Elite
Post by: Mr.OmegaMan on 22 July 2013, 23:37:35
looking at the video, the coolant looks very pale. What are you using?

Trust me its clear and blue it's just the expansion tank that needs replacing.

That coolant isn't compatible with that engine. The corrosion inhibiters aren't designed for alloy components. Best be changing it sharpish :-\

Looking at the receipts it was done at a VX garage 2011  :-\
So overdue anyway then.

No point doing it really till i get hold of a new or used clear expansion tank, It's hard to see the level with this one just look at these pictures  :o

http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/index.php?topic=114643.msg1455049#msg1455049

Title: Re: Problem with the 3.2 Elite
Post by: Andy B on 22 July 2013, 23:44:17
....
No point doing it really till i get hold of a new or used clear expansion tank,  .....

Buy a new 'un  :y  :y  :y
Title: Re: Problem with the 3.2 Elite
Post by: Mr.OmegaMan on 22 July 2013, 23:53:51
....
No point doing it really till i get hold of a new or used clear expansion tank,  .....

Buy a new 'un  :y  :y  :y

Aye will most likely, Just look at this who in their sane mind would buy this  :o ???

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/VAUXHALL-OPEL-OMEGA-PETROL-OVERFLOW-EXPANSION-TANK-BOTTLE-CAP-GM-90500223-/380681484514?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&fits=Model%3AOmega&hash=item58a26278e2
Title: Re: Problem with the 3.2 Elite
Post by: Andy B on 22 July 2013, 23:59:10
....
No point doing it really till i get hold of a new or used clear expansion tank,  .....

Buy a new 'un  :y  :y  :y

Aye will most likely, Just look at this who in their sane mind would buy this  :o ???

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/VAUXHALL-OPEL-OMEGA-PETROL-OVERFLOW-EXPANSION-TANK-BOTTLE-CAP-GM-90500223-/380681484514?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&fits=Model%3AOmega&hash=item58a26278e2

Indeed  ???
Title: Re: Problem with the 3.2 Elite
Post by: 05omegav6 on 23 July 2013, 00:02:16
Someone who really needs one asap and who doesn't want to spend £50 at Vauxhall ::)

If you need summat yesterday, then Steve is the person to go to :y Gives a discount to Oofers as well, so that would be more like £25 :y

Those bottles can crack around the cap, leading to mysterious coolant loss...
Title: Re: Problem with the 3.2 Elite
Post by: Andy B on 23 July 2013, 00:03:45
Someone who really needs one asap and who doesn't want to spend £50 at Vauxhall ::)
 ...

Aren't they around £30 from Vx  :-\
Title: Re: Problem with the 3.2 Elite
Post by: Mr.OmegaMan on 23 July 2013, 00:07:52
Someone who really needs one asap and who doesn't want to spend £50 at Vauxhall ::)
 ...

Aren't they around £30 from Vx  :-\

If £50 i might stick with my lovely yellow one  :o ;D
Title: Re: Problem with the 3.2 Elite
Post by: 05omegav6 on 23 July 2013, 00:08:18
Paid £45ish for my last one after Vat ::)

Besides, VX aren't open on Saturday afternoons/Sundays :y

As said, discolouration is only one reason to change them :y
Title: Re: Problem with the 3.2 Elite
Post by: Mr.OmegaMan on 23 July 2013, 00:09:48
Is that £50 with cap and sensor... Na forget it that's probably just for the bottle  :o :(
Title: Re: Problem with the 3.2 Elite
Post by: 05omegav6 on 23 July 2013, 00:12:03
It was one with the sensor :y Cap is separate and costs another £5 or so :y

Again, the caps can also fail as they contain a pressure valve :y
Title: Re: Problem with the 3.2 Elite
Post by: Mr.OmegaMan on 23 July 2013, 00:16:10
It was one with the sensor :y Cap is separate and costs another £5 or so :y

Again, the caps can also fail as they contain a pressure valve :y

That's not so bad then, don't really fancy puting the old sensor out of what most likely Is the original from new in the current bottle. And AndyC will be cheaper still I'd imagine  :y
Title: Re: Problem with the 3.2 Elite
Post by: Andy B on 23 July 2013, 00:24:56
It was one with the sensor :y Cap is separate and costs another £5 or so :y

Again, the caps can also fail as they contain a pressure valve :y

That's not so bad then, don't really fancy puting the old sensor out of what most likely Is the original from new in the current bottle. And AndyC will be cheaper still I'd imagine  :y

The level sensor is integral to the header tank and isn't designed to come out in one piece.  ;)
Title: Re: Problem with the 3.2 Elite
Post by: Mr.OmegaMan on 23 July 2013, 00:39:24
It was one with the sensor :y Cap is separate and costs another £5 or so :y

Again, the caps can also fail as they contain a pressure valve :y

That's not so bad then, don't really fancy puting the old sensor out of what most likely Is the original from new in the current bottle. And AndyC will be cheaper still I'd imagine  :y

The level sensor is integral to the header tank and isn't designed to come out in one piece.  ;)

 :y

So does the new tank come with the sensor in place just needs plugging in I take it, Just the cap is an optional extra ?  :)
Title: Re: Problem with the 3.2 Elite
Post by: 05omegav6 on 23 July 2013, 00:50:28
Yes to both :y
Title: Re: Problem with the 3.2 Elite
Post by: Mr.OmegaMan on 23 July 2013, 00:58:36
Yes to both :y

 :y
Title: Re: Problem with the 3.2 Elite
Post by: pauls on 23 July 2013, 09:16:16
Bought my bottle about 3 weeks ago new bottle without cap was £39.57 inc vat :y
Title: Re: Problem with the 3.2 Elite
Post by: albitz on 23 July 2013, 12:23:05
Someone who really needs one asap and who doesn't want to spend £50 at Vauxhall ::)

If you need summat yesterday, then Steve is the person to go to :y Gives a discount to Oofers as well, so that would be more like £25 :y

Those bottles can crack around the cap, leading to mysterious coolant loss...

I would be embarrassed to ask for more than a fiver for that tbh. ;)
Title: Re: Problem with the 3.2 Elite
Post by: Mr.OmegaMan on 23 July 2013, 15:33:06
Bought my bottle about 3 weeks ago new bottle without cap was £39.57 inc vat :y

From local VX with or without TC or from AndyC ?  :)
Title: Re: Problem with the 3.2 Elite
Post by: Mr.OmegaMan on 23 July 2013, 16:26:57
Quick update: The alternator should be ready tomorrow  :y

Apparently the regulator was the problem.
Title: Re: Problem with the 3.2 Elite
Post by: pauls on 23 July 2013, 16:32:23
Bought my bottle about 3 weeks ago new bottle without cap was £39.57 inc vat :y

From local VX with or without TC or from AndyC ?  :)

local vx with tc
Title: Re: Problem with the 3.2 Elite
Post by: Mr.OmegaMan on 23 July 2013, 16:42:02
Bought my bottle about 3 weeks ago new bottle without cap was £39.57 inc vat :y

From local VX with or without TC or from AndyC ?  :)

local vx with tc

 :y
Title: Re: Problem with the 3.2 Elite
Post by: Mr.OmegaMan on 23 July 2013, 16:57:24
... as Al says,  Just a thought,plugs do work loose. 25nm torque setting. Then go over them again as master says, after the crush washers have relaxed.

But primarily, see what the battery is doing via Kevs guide on battery charging. This will tell you what the alternator is doing, via the battery readings.

Hopefully the charging system is all to cock and spark plugs and possibly 02 sensors(?) are being affected. But the fuel trim code and the lack of a working eml due to pre cat codes, with bulb or otherwise, is quite concerning IMO. Lets hope its not run lean too long.

Runs off to look at the exhaust video again. See if its black or ash grey.

Regarding the other things that came up with the pedal trick codes..

Did put a cod reader with live data capability on the car some time ago but seen as I couldn't read them I just sent it back, apparently I did manage to delete the EML light out but as said the bulb is missing so for all I know it's back on again.. Anyways here are the 2 videos again from the live data results also O2 live date presuming I did it correctly ....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P7w4f41EmBw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mIsLRJ3gAQU

And the same videos on Photobucket...

http://i1158.photobucket.com/albums/p620/Agemo_Legend/35B0F092-8F0A-41AB-B5BB-56F1E1D9CF9D-7986-0000030D0F1D3F3A_zps03483f4f.mp4

http://i1158.photobucket.com/albums/p620/Agemo_Legend/49118E85-82F3-40AC-A909-CC0FEF4A965A-7986-00000310C520C2CB_zps9f2851cb.mp4

Probably worth doing another pedal trick once I've sorted the alternator problem after a run see what codes are still left ? ???
Title: Re: Problem with the 3.2 Elite
Post by: Mr.OmegaMan on 24 July 2013, 16:46:08
Quick Update:

Got the alternator back today all fixed up and its now back on the car and it's running better than ever it seems than before very nice and level and quiet.. Around 14.5v are going into the battery even with everything on no more battery light as well... Will take her for a run this evening see how things go  :)
Title: Re: Problem with the 3.2 Elite
Post by: VXL V6 on 24 July 2013, 17:38:50
Always seems to be a failed regulator. all those extra volts do some interesting things when their let loose around various ECU's!

Often the first thing to go pop will be the red battery lamp on the dash.
Title: Re: Problem with the 3.2 Elite
Post by: Mr.OmegaMan on 24 July 2013, 18:54:58
Always seems to be a failed regulator. all those extra volts do some interesting things when their let loose around various ECU's!

Often the first thing to go pop will be the red battery lamp on the dash.

Yep that was replaced and a thrush something can't remember. £60 all in safer bet than buying a used one imo although better buying new if you can probably.
Title: Re: Problem with the 3.2 Elite
Post by: Mr.OmegaMan on 24 July 2013, 22:14:52
Been for a short run say 10 miles no problems at all if anything feels more lively if that's possible.. Will see how she fares on Sunday's run.. :)
Title: Re: Problem with the 3.2 Elite
Post by: Mr.OmegaMan on 28 July 2013, 21:07:15
Quick Update:

Been some 145 miles today in all kinds of weather, sunny, heavy rain, hot/warm around 22c... and no problems since the refurbished alternator was fitted so far (Touch Wood), Also the car seems more happy in itself  :-X ;D 

Happy Days

:)

...Oh some pictures from today's run below

http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/index.php?topic=114643.msg1477855#msg1477855