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Chat Area => General Car Chat => Topic started by: chrisgixer on 25 July 2013, 16:31:12
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Marks up for cutting holes and re welding.
I'm up for Guinea pigging my car for welding cats in situ. We have loads of 3.2,s that need doing, what else do we need?
A site to do the work
Part numbers for bosses.
Plasma cutter
Welder
Anything else...? :)
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Curry ::)
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Well that goes without saying Al, tbh. ::) ;D
A lift maybe?
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I've got a bag of lifters which would be good to get into the 3.2, so just undercover space would be great.
Lift is always good, don't often get chance for a proper good look under the car
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I'll be up for it as well .... :) :y :y :y :y
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Tbh I think the site is going to be the biggest issue, its a shame we can't use Guffers source anymore as that was bloody fantastic!
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If Guffer can't help maybe Josh knows somewhere...?
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I would be up for this as well.
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Marks up for cutting holes and re welding.
Er, well he's offered to one so far, put it that way. ;D
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I'm interested :)
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Count me in. Not for lamdas moves, as mine doesn't need it, but just for an OOF work do.
Not that I have any tools to bring.
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Both are mine are done.
Best of luck getting the existing lambda's out to move them ::)
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The bosses I used when I had some done were egay item 320566046972
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I may be visiting soon.........
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have lift here, and lots car park spaces too :y
edit: we can sort something out one sunday
curry:
http://www.spicelandbuffetsawtry.com
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I'm up for it, and can contribute a welder. :y
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have lift here, and lots car park spaces too :y
edit: we can sort something out one sunday
curry:
http://www.spicelandbuffetsawtry.com
Ooh nice one. :)
I know your busy Serek, but if you fancy proposing a date or two...? See if we can get something going that doesn't clash with other meets and most people can attend.
It will be good to meet up again :y
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I have the plasma cutter, but why would you need one?
Surely you just need to drill a hole in each exhaust and weld the new boss in place?
Why make things harder than they need to be?
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I have the plasma cutter, but why would you need one?
Surely you just need to drill a hole in each exhaust and weld the new boss in place?
Why make things harder than they need to be?
Here we go, happy is on. ;D
Because you can't drill the cats at the right angle, with cats in place, as the body is in the way. :)
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If you can't drill the hole in place effectively, how likely are you to weld the boss in place properly? I have completely welded custom/modified exhausts on the car, but tacking them together on the car, and welding off the car makes for a much better result. That's using both Mig and gas; Tig is more trouble than it's worth on an exhaust
That is a serious, non piss-taking question, considering that the exhaust downpipes bolt in place.
After all, consider that I'm intending to remove the 4branch manifold on the Avenger's XE to just weld the lambda sensor boss in place to make a decent job of it.
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If you can't drill the hole in place effectively, how likely are you to weld the boss in place properly? I have completely welded custom/modified exhausts on the car, but tacking them together on the car, and welding off the car makes for a much better result. That's using both Mig and gas; Tig is more trouble than it's worth on an exhaust
That is a serious, non piss-taking question, considering that the exhaust downpipes bolt in place.
After all, consider that I'm intending to remove the 4branch manifold on the Avenger's XE to just weld the lambda sensor boss in place to make a decent job of it.
Hence the "Guinee pig" volunteering of my car to see of its feasible. Nick. Come on keep up! ;D
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have lift here, and lots car park spaces too :y
edit: we can sort something out one sunday
curry:
http://www.spicelandbuffetsawtry.com
Very good curry house, we go there,take your own alchol,and as much as you can eat :y,does life,get any better :)
Dont need mine doing as,3.0L downpipes to be fitted,but if not working,will be around on sundays,could make tea ;D
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Quite simple.
By cutting and welding in place it gets around the risk of sheered bolts on the cat to centre section joint and the challenge of getting the manifold to front pipe nuts off which on the 2.6/3.2 is a pain in the arse.
You can get a cutter in and a welder, getting a drill with hoel saw in is more of a challenge.
As for TIG.....you need more practice ;D :y
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getting a drill with hoel saw in is more of a challenge.
It is possible though as I watched Daz do it on my 3.2 while I sat in the sun drinking coke! ;D
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I'm guessing the cat sections are going to be as hard as bullets too, so getting through them with a hole cutter will be tedious.
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I'm guessing the cat sections are going to be as hard as bullets too, so getting through them with a hole cutter will be tedious.
They are yes, the cutters do work but are somewhat disposable!
Hence the use of a plasma cutter.
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have lift here, and lots car park spaces too :y
edit: we can sort something out one sunday
curry:
http://www.spicelandbuffetsawtry.com
Ooh nice one. :)
I know your busy Serek, but if you fancy proposing a date or two...? See if we can get something going that doesn't clash with other meets and most people can attend.
It will be good to meet up again :y
any Sunday really, will have look in meet section and see what I can offer
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getting a drill with hoel saw in is more of a challenge.
It is possible though as I watched Daz do it on my 3.2 while I sat in the sun drinking coke! ;D
;D ;D ;D ;D
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Guess who's engine light is now permenamtly on. ::)
I don't suppose there's any way of tweaking the ecu threshold setting...? No? Ok thought not. :(
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My light is also now permanently on so a fix in near future would be great.
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I have a MIG welder that can be used as well.
I don't have an Omega anymore but happy to come along and eat burgers and donuts watch and give encouragement :y
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I have a MIG welder that can be used as well.
I don't have an Omega anymore but happy to come along and eat burgers and donuts watch and give encouragement :y
Looking like late September then ::)
Whilst I like the idea of that diet, I rather suspect it might cripple your time for the Iron Man course ::)
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The IM will be one by then and I will be on a month's rest and food debauchary ;D
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I have a MIG welder that can be used as well.
I don't have an Omega anymore but happy to come along and have the piz ripped out of my car watch and give encouragement :y
+1
Fixed ;D
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You need to try harder... Mine still only comes up when I have to drive like a saint :-X ::)
Oh, and if I am able to then I might come along, although driving any distance in September us probably out :'(
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Try filling it with shell vmax, and give it a little drive, day with out gas.
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Guess who's engine light is now permenamtly on. ::)
I don't suppose there's any way of tweaking the ecu threshold setting...? No? Ok thought not. :(
Another question. Is it possible to smash the pre cat material out? Obviously this would mean removal of the cat section from that car, but is the honeycomb material brital enough to brake up with a long drift or chisel down downpipe and a large hammer...?
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Yes is do able, you never get 100% of the catalyst out,best to cut the box and then remove the honeycomb, but the light would probably stay on as the gases are still out of scope,for the lamda, but having never done cat surgery on a pre cat not 100% sure.
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Yes is do able, you never get 100% of the catalyst out,best to cut the box and then remove the honeycomb, but the light would probably stay on as the gases are still out of scope,for the lamda, but having never done cat surgery on a pre cat not 100% sure.
Mmmmyeah, I don't really want to weld it tbh. Although that could mean the cat section would stay in place/on the car I suppose. :-\
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Volunteer mine for that experimental procedure :y
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Ok guys, I've ad a text from Serek.
He suggests he may be able to sort a date one Sunday next month.
Hopefully Mark and the rest of us will be available. :y
Thanks Serek. :)
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Hopefully in a week or so we're going to have a go at doing mine as I've got two cars that need fixing,I got the bosses from Egay and I was thinking it might be a good idea to have a couple of spare Lambdas on stand by...just in case ::) we've got the use of a lift,plasma cutter etc and a very very nice man who is going to do them at mates rates :y....well you did'nt think I was going to do them myself did you? :o ;D
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Spoke to biggriffin at the Wycombe meet, he had a message from Serek for us, who sadly could not attend the meet due to work commitments.
But I'm not sure i fully remember the conversation correctly so rather than guess and mislead the thread, hopefully biggriffin can, and drop us a post in here when he's next on. :y
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i spoke to serek before i left, we need to arrange a date in september that we can all attend,a sunday it seems is best,also if enough people wish to attend a lokal snack van might be able to attend,unoffical meet maybe.
i have a friend who is an exhaust fabricator/welder who iam trying to cagjol into being here(might be a beer token issue).
so it would then be a case off,how many members wish to arrive,
and also a few weeks before for those wanting the surgery,to try and lossen/lubricate the lamdas to aid removal,
o and dont for get to buy your bosses and plugs. and maybe some heat shrink and wire to extend the lamdas.
the biggest problem i think we have is
1 welding plant.
2 how many will we be able to do.
theres bound to be other things that need to be addressed. :P
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i spoke to serek before i left, we need to arrange a date in september that we can all attend,a sunday it seems is best,also if enough people wish to attend a lokal snack van might be able to attend,unoffical meet maybe.
i have a friend who is an exhaust fabricator/welder who iam trying to cagjol into being here(might be a beer token issue).
so it would then be a case off,how many members wish to arrive,
and also a few weeks before for those wanting the surgery,to try and lossen/lubricate the lamdas to aid removal,
o and dont for get to buy your bosses and plugs. and maybe some heat shrink and wire to extend the lamdas.
the biggest problem i think we have is
1 welding plant.
2 how many will we be able to do.
theres bound to be other things that need to be addressed. :P
Thanks Big. :)
But there was talk of a problem regarding plasma cutters and cats iirc...?
The general thinking behind the meet is to first look at the possibility of fitting bosses without removing the cats from the car, initially.
Mark has volunteered to do the work as far as that goes, and I've volunteered my car as Guinee pig, to see if its viable. The plan being to plasma cut the new hole for the boss, Weald in the new boss, swap lambda into the new position, bolt the plug into the old hole. Job done.
You mentioned a few problems with that In your message..?
Apologies, I'm in shift work jet lag mode currently. :(
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Also, re dates, hopefully we can sort a Sunday when Mark and Serek and his premises are available. Could be tricky. :-\
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so we need to speak to mr dtm and serek to arrange a date to suit,and numbers attending, o yes and the weather.
and i work aternate sundays, am off today,
if the job can be done without having to remove downpipes then it would be quicker, eg step cutter bit( or plasma). :)
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Getting the Lambda's out can be a big issue, if you can get them out there is a chance that half the threads of the lambda will stay in the boss.
I bought two new Bosch ones for my 3.2 and left the originals in situ and i'll probably do the same with the 2.6 (bosses already in place courtesy of Daz).
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Guess who's engine light is now permenamtly on. ::)
I don't suppose there's any way of tweaking the ecu threshold setting...? No? Ok thought not. :(
Another question. Is it possible to smash the pre cat material out? Obviously this would mean removal of the cat section from that car, but is the honeycomb material brital enough to brake up with a long drift or chisel down downpipe and a large hammer...?
Far easier to put 3.0 cats on complete......
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Sometimes getting the old ones off can be very awkward...
Esp when somone has put the wrong nuts on in the past :( Hence trying to do it without removal.
Guess 3.0 Cats are not in the good supply they used to be :(
Mark's 'other' Garage could be the location he has in mind?
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Guess who's engine light is now permenamtly on. ::)
I don't suppose there's any way of tweaking the ecu threshold setting...? No? Ok thought not. :(
Another question. Is it possible to smash the pre cat material out? Obviously this would mean removal of the cat section from that car, but is the honeycomb material brital enough to brake up with a long drift or chisel down downpipe and a large hammer...?
Far easier to put 3.0 cats on complete......
Both would mean removal. So yeah. Just wondered how brittle cat material is. Will it shatter or fold up if hit with a jack handle and a hammer, for instance...?
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On my old 3.2 cats....shaking upside down was sufficient!
That one did get the 3.0's put on though :y
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On my old 3.2 cats....shaking upside down was sufficient!
That one did get the 3.0's put on though :y
Really, wow. They are brittle then. And possibly collapse...? :-\
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A hammer tap had revealed they had broken up...hence getting the 3.0's to replace em. Dont think there would have been much problem 'unblocking' if needs be, ceramic stuff from memory in the precats.
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Hmmm. Tempted to remove them anyway then. Would be wise to get the relevant bolts as well then play it by ear on the day.
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Hmmm. Tempted to remove them anyway then. Would be wise to get the relevant bolts as well then play it by ear on the day.
Get some drills as well to drill the manifold to down pipe and cat to centre section bolts out.... you may be lucky or you may not when you try to unbolt them! :)
EDIT: ...and get some taps.
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must have been lucky with mine, plusgas and week later both came out with ease
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plusgas fatally poisons lambda sensors
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plusgas fatally poisons lambda sensors
Ah, that might explain yours then Tunnie?
Silicon content?
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Also, re dates, hopefully we can sort a Sunday when Mark and Serek and his premises are available. Could be tricky. :-\
Well. As there's no word from Mark, I guess this isn't happening. :(
He seemed up for it. I thought..? :-\
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He's been away ;)
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Pffff, no consideration. ::)
;)
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Ive been reading the post on this, I understand my input may or may not be of any use but here goes. Concerning the Lamdas you could try Crack it Freeze spray,uses a -40 blast to shrink the metal which allows the lubricating oil to get in. regarding the cat honeycomb rad hammer on an sds drill huge vibration no damage :y
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I think just a blast of plusgas is the trick, a week or so before
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I think just a blast of plusgas is the trick, a week or so before
TUNNIIIIE !
Post 57 of this thread...
plusgas fatally poisons lambda sensors
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I think just a blast of plusgas is the trick, a week or so before
TUNNIIIIE !
Post 57 of this thread...
plusgas fatally poisons lambda sensors
Oppppsssss ;D
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I think just a blast of plusgas is the trick, a week or so before
TUNNIIIIE !
Post 57 of this thread...
plusgas fatally poisons lambda sensors
Oppppsssss ;D
So does that explan why the new one I got you failed..?
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Not really, I never used plusgas on the new one.
Tiny blast to release old one, cleaned up area before fitting new one. Also long ish thread, from fully locked in, can't see vast amount actually reaching the sensor?
Also it does work, reset the light, and its fine for 100 miles or so. Tbh, I think I'll just remove the bulb ::)
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Not really, I never used plusgas on the new one.
Tiny blast to release old one, cleaned up area before fitting new one. Also long ish thread, from fully locked in, can't see vast amount actually reaching the sensor?
Also it does work, reset the light, and its fine for 100 miles or so. Tbh, I think I'll just remove the bulb ::)
Oh also replaced one from a set of 4 i got from a breaker here, exactly same :y
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Not really, I never used plusgas on the new one.
Tiny blast to release old one, cleaned up area before fitting new one. Also long ish thread, from fully locked in, can't see vast amount actually reaching the sensor?
Also it does work, reset the light, and its fine for 100 miles or so. Tbh, I think I'll just remove the bulb ::)
So its not faulty..? :-\
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Ah, this is Tunnie we're talking to.
As said, you need to press the pedals. I bet your pre cat codes where on within a month? ;)
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Not really, I never used plusgas on the new one.
Tiny blast to release old one, cleaned up area before fitting new one. Also long ish thread, from fully locked in, can't see vast amount actually reaching the sensor?
Also it does work, reset the light, and its fine for 100 miles or so. Tbh, I think I'll just remove the bulb ::)
So its not faulty..? :-\
Maybe in the wiring, got a known good used + your new one in. Swapped them over to other bank, both still appeared to react the same.
Live data with tech2, shows that it reacts normally, if a little "sluggish" at times according to TB. The light is always triggered when its semi warm/cold sub 5 minutes after start up, i think were it is not reactive enough when cold.
To confirm for others its had the post cat sensors moved, its the sensors before pre-cat causing this.
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Ah, this is Tunnie we're talking to.
As said, you need to press the pedals. I bet your pre cat codes where on within a month? ;)
I supposed I could drive like a idiot for a while with it ::)
But as said, lights up when cold, I don't like reving above 3k when its cold.
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Ah, this is Tunnie we're talking to.
As said, you need to press the pedals. I bet your pre cat codes where on within a month? ;)
I supposed I could drive like a idiot for a while with it ::)
But as said, lights up when cold, I don't like reving above 3k when its cold.
I wouldn't rev it to as much as 3k personally. But gm don't seem to mind.
My pre cat code lit the eml about 4 days ago. Exactly the same place on the same journey driving home in traffic as the previous time it came on. Probably didn't average more than 30mph all the way down the m4 section on both occasions.
So I've been thinking a better text Aaron to borrow his Maxiscan ever since, to reset the light, then today I remembered, I've had it in the hoot for about a fortnight. Ffs. :-[ ;D
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Remember my pre-cat sensors have been moved, now post main cat, courtesy of Daz :y
My light/errors are on the sensors before pre-cat :(
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Remember my pre-cat sensors have been moved, now post main cat, courtesy of Daz :y
My light/errors are on the sensors before pre-cat :(
Yes the awkward ones, I think its highly likely "some" plus gas may have got on the sensor, given the awkward location.
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Btw, has that aux belt been replaced?
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Yours is a different problem, S1's rather than S2's.
Touch wood, my 3.2 hasn't popped a 0420 or 0430 yet
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Btw, has that aux belt been replaced?
Yes new aux belt, fitted that last year :y
I guess short of another pair of brand new sensors, I can't fix it.
But would not plus gas kill it, rather than make it sluggish when cold?
Think I do a cold start, while running tech2 live data. Then compare with another 3.2
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So I've been thinking a better text Aaron to borrow his Maxiscan ever since, to reset the light, then today I remembered, I've had it in the hoot for about a fortnight. Ffs. :-[ ;D
(http://i40.tinypic.com/2vhwzlc.jpg)
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I think just a blast of plusgas is the trick, a week or so before
TUNNIIIIE !
Post 57 of this thread...
plusgas fatally poisons lambda sensors
Good job i soaked mine in thinners , or was it paint stripper :-\ :D ;D
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Plusgas will only cause an issue if it gets INSIDE the exhuast, not going to be an issue when used on the external components.
Still up for this now I am back from holidays etc
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Ah, good news Mark. Hope it was a pleasant trip?
Any thoughts on dates? Serek has kindly offered his premises on a Sunday. Think he was looking at end of this month or next month when he was free.
Although Jimbob mentioned a local site to you?
I know everyone's busy though. Tricky one. :-\
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Ive now got 3.0L downpipes,on the 3.2. So i might have a pair of 3.2 pipes,that i willl get some bosses welded into then, sell them, not decided yet ???
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Ok, just waiting final confirmation from Serek but it looks like Sunday 22nd Sept is a PROVISIONAL date for this.
Fingers crossed it will be confirmed. :)
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O :) should be able to make this little gathering :y
If its the 22nd
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Balls. I'm working :(
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Sorry .. no way I can make that date .. :( :(
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O :) should be able to make this little gathering :y
If its the 22nd
Booger am definitely working on 22nd :( so wont be able to attend :'(
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Ok, 22nd is conformed ok.
So, those that can make it, see you there.
Those that can't, apologies, but Serek's and Mr Dtm's time are limited on dates.
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Much as I would like to be there, I'm away all weekend :'(
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Ok, those that ARE going, pm me and I'll send the address by reply, for those that don't know already. :)
...better empty my inbox. ::)
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2 weeks tomorrow... No way I'll be able to do the drive :'( I can barely manage 4 miles at the moment ::)
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Ok, those that ARE going, pm me and I'll send the address by reply, for those that don't know already. :)
...better empty my inbox. ::)
I don't need my lamdas moving, but would like to turn up anyway, just for a bit of a meet up with members. Is that OK?
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I don't need my lamdas moving
YET!!
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O :) should be able to make this little gathering :y
If its the 22nd
Booger am definitely working on 22nd :( so wont be able to attend :'(
sure you will make, we need someone who will look after tea
if weather good maybe will bring BBQ too
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Want to be there as tea-boy but,work have said otherwise,have asked but told nooo :(,
just have to get the burger van man there, :) might be able to make the curry at spiceland,
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Ok, those that ARE going, pm me and I'll send the address by reply, for those that don't know already. :)
...better empty my inbox. ::)
I don't need my lamdas moving, but would like to turn up anyway, just for a bit of a meet up with members. Is that OK?
Of course, more the merrier i'm sure Serek will agree, its his premises. :-[
Just keep your car locked with that "Fuse 18" fellow about. ;D
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The bosses I used when I had some done were egay item 320566046972
Better get these ordered. Anyone else need some?
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I have a meaty welder here, and a bottle of gas.
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O :) should be able to make this little gathering :y
If its the 22nd
Booger am definitely working on 22nd :( so wont be able to attend :'(
sure you will make, we need someone who will look after tea
if weather good maybe will bring BBQ too
is it wise to have fire(bbq) with tb about.
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O :) should be able to make this little gathering :y
If its the 22nd
Booger am definitely working on 22nd :( so wont be able to attend :'(
sure you will make, we need someone who will look after tea
if weather good maybe will bring BBQ too
is it wise to have fire(bbq) with tb about.
Well, now you mention it... ;D
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I have a meaty welder here, and a bottle of gas.
guessing that's acycetalne set, mmm the blue spanner, tried real welding couldn't get the knack of it.
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I have a meaty welder here, and a bottle of gas.
guessing that's acycetalne set, mmm the blue spanner, tried real welding couldn't get the knack of it.
Argon for Mig
...I think ;D
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I have a meaty welder here, and a bottle of gas.
guessing that's acycetalne set, mmm the blue spanner, tried real welding couldn't get the knack of it.
Argon for Mig
...I think ;D
Excessive for mig and mild steel.
Given what we are welding CO2 is fine or Argo shield (the CO2 helps pentration), Argon for me is for MIG on alloy or TIG (as its expensive)
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Is this meet at huntingdon ??? Noofer's neck of the woods ..mite be able to pop in :)
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Is this meet at huntingdon ??? Noofer's neck of the woods ..mite be able to pop in :)
is that the noofer's meet the hoofer'sr ;D only be 1 hoofe'r as i can't make it due to work :'(
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Is this meet at huntingdon ??? Noofer's neck of the woods ..mite be able to pop in :)
is that the noofer's meet the hoofer'sr ;D only be 1 hoofe'r as i can't make it due to work :'(
;D
How many hoofer's in your gang ;D
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So Roofers and Woofers, guess the location. :)
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So Roofers and Woofers, guess the location. :)
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So Roofers and Woofers, guess the location. :)
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Reading / Reading :)
Good game this :-\ :D
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Ok, 22nd is conformed ok.
So, those that can make it, see you there.
Those that can't, apologies, but Serek's and Mr Dtm's time are limited on dates.
Where the venue :-\ :-\
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Ok, those that ARE going, pm me and I'll send the address by reply, for those that don't know already. :)
...better empty my inbox. ::)
:y
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Those of you attending this little gathering,who are bringing other half's, be warned there is a large dunelm soft furnishing superstore, less then a minutes walk from mr serek's fine establishment.
new curtains and cushions any body. ;D
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there no secret where is meeting
address is
unit 12 phoenix court
St Margarets way
pe29 6eb
huntingdon
every one welcome :y
hope that's make clear
see you all
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there no secret where is meeting
address is
unit 12 phoenix court
St Margarets way
pe29 6eb
huntingdon
every one welcome :y
hope that's make clear
see you all
What day serek :-\ Oh and what time will you all be spinning spanners or eating at the bacon and egg bar ???
Ps will bring my chair as i need to sit down and watch :-[
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I shall be coming,wear your hearing protectors,I'm bringing the cabby followed by mr boy racer himself EMD ;D
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I shall be coming,wear your hearing protectors,I'm bringing the cabby followed by mr boy racer himself EMD ;D
Ha ha , yes you will hear us both arriving 10 miles away :-X
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Ok, 22nd is conformed ok.
So, those that can make it, see you there.
Those that can't, apologies, but Serek's and Mr Dtm's time are limited on dates.
Found it :y
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Been a bit busy this week so apologies for being a bit lax with this. :-[
Thread now posted in Meets section with details. :)
http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/index.php?topic=117892.new#new
Not sure on the situation at Sereks premises, as I've not been there, but I gather from posts here that there's no problem with parking. So I guess the more the merrier. :)
Possibly BBQ and Cirty after.
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unit itself its not big but there lots car park spaces :y
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Possibly BBQ and Cirty after.
Curry Goddamnit! ;D
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unit itself its not big but there lots car park spaces :y
Nice one :y