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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: BazaJT on 03 August 2013, 17:45:08
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What with us moving this coming week I've been sorting paperwork etc. to let officialdom know of the address change,V5s for the cars and all that kind of stuff.Anyway got driving licence out to photocopy it before sending it off only to notice that last time we moved[just coming up 20yrs ago]and I sent it off it came back minus my motorbike entitlement!My own daft fault should have checked more closely,but basically just checked to make sure address details were correct and left it at that.Is there any way [other than taking test again that I can get this entitlement back?As said we've been here nearly 20yrs and it was 1970 when I passed my test so records are going to be hard to come by don't you think?
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Is there any way [other than taking test again that I can get this entitlement back?As said we've been here nearly 20yrs and it was 1970 when I passed my test so records are going to be hard to come by don't you think?
I've a feeling that Entwood was in this situation. Pretty sure the upshot was that he'd have to take the test again if he wanted his bike licence again! >:(
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They have been removing motorcycle entitlement from peoples licences for years.They wont admit it or say why,but it happens a lot.You cant get it put back on unless you can produce your pass slip from your test,or have a photocopy of your old licence with the entitlement on it.
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Posted on another forum March this year : I think we've all read before about the DVLA errors (read horrors) when renewing a licence and having it returned missing entitlements, sometimes HGV but mostly Category A motorcycle entitlements, in some cases resulting in having to take a test again as they wouldn't admit their mistake.
Well, now DVLA have decided to do it the other way around which is many ways is more alarming, handing back licences with Category A on them and then advising on the telephone that it is indeed a full motorbike licence.
I phoned and questioned this myself, repeatedly and was told categorically it was an unrestricted motorbike licence, something which it can't be in this case.
So how many idiots will now get a licence back, give DVLA a call and get the same information I've had and be out on the road?
Scary
Article from MCN...December 2009.
MCN has ensured no more motorcyclists need lose their licence to DVLA cock-ups by rewriting the government agency’s policy on licence renewals.
DVLA bosses have agreed to immediately implement an MCN proposal that old licences be returned to riders when replacements are issued.
It means that if motorcycle entitlement is missing from the new licence, riders will have the old one to prove it.
We put the proposal forward in August after hearing hundreds of reports of DVLA deleting people’s motorcycle entitlement in a saga which spanned years.
Rider’s who’ve had to take a motorcycle test from scratch include Donington Park chief executive Simon Gillett and a police technician who’d been riding force bikes for over a decade.
Our proposal won the backing of the RAC, AA, MPs and many of you who signed a petition. Because it has been adopted, no-one who has genuinely had a motorcycle licence in the past need ever retake their test.
DVLA’s decision follows a consultation with motorcycle groups, the police and MCN.
Our original proposal was that old licences be returned with the corner cut off. DVLA has agreed instead to return them with a hole punched in the photograph.
The agency was concerned some people may try to pass the old licence off as a current one by covering the corner with a finger while showing it to police.
Paper licences will be returned with ‘cancelled’ stamped on them.
The new procedure will apply whenever any licence holders apply for a replacement licence, for example because their address has changed or because their photocard licence has expired.
All they must to do to get the old one back is include a stamped self-addressed envelope with the application and a note asking for it to be returned. The change comes into effect immediately.
DVLA’s decision was announced today by the agency’s corporate affairs director David Evans.
He said: “If you put a stamped address envelope in with your application and ask us to return your old licence, we’ll return it to you with a hole punched through the photograph on it.
"If you send the paper counterpart in, we’ll send that back with ‘cancelled’ stamped on it.”
The stamped self-addressed envelope is needed because old licences are processed at a different DVLA office to the one which issues replacements.
Evans said licence holders who had changed address could alternatively keep their old licence until the new one arrived if they did the application on the agency’s website.
For a full report on this, get next week’s MCN, on sale December 16. :-\
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Interesting reading. :y
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I had the same problem some years back, and had to retake my test again. when I spoke to DVLA they told me that unless I could prove I had passed the motorcycle test with either a pass certificate, or a letter from a policeman, vicar, or a magistrate then the answer was no hence me having to retake my test which I passed, but it is the cost involved so now I always photocopy before I send it off
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I passed my bike licence with the RAF in Germany as a Squadron DR many years ago, which exempted me from the UK test. However, the RAF later denied having any record of this - despite issuing me with a 500cc Triumph side valve twin to play with - so I was unable to persuade DVLA to issue me with a UK one. >:( >:( >:(
Sorry to divert the thread. ::)
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I've not heard of this particular omission before, so I've just checked my pink plastic licence.
It's all on the back. I passed my bike test (Yamaha RD250) on the 25th May 1977. :y :y :y
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They have been removing motorcycle entitlement from peoples licences for years.They wont admit it or say why,but it happens a lot.You cant get it put back on unless you can produce your pass slip from your test,or have a photocopy of your old licence with the entitlement on it.
Likely to be dusty parchment by now. :-\
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thats mine lost then,moved 3 times had 5 plus liecences now on a 2nd plastic one >:(
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I've not heard of this particular omission before, so I've just checked my pink plastic licence.
It's all on the back. I passed my bike test (Yamaha RD250) on the 25th May 1977. :y :y :y
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+1....... :y
Honda CB250 9th October 1974......... ;) ;)
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I didn't bother with the test until 1998. :-X ::)
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I've not heard of this particular omission before, so I've just checked my pink plastic licence.
It's all on the back. I passed my bike test (Yamaha RD250) on the 25th May 1977. :y :y :y
+1....... :y
Honda CB250 9th October 1974......... ;) ;)
You old buggers
Passed mine on a borrowed Z250 in Dunfermline Nov 1980
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Wondering though, is there a legitimate case for re taking a test after an entitlement has laid dormant for x amount of years ..?
ESP given born again biker syndrome. Of which I'd be one if I rode on the road again.
I also have no idea how much it costs or what's involved to take a modern test mind. I bet its bloody expensive and long winded...?
Thinking again though, a re test specific to a full power machine would be more relevant maybe?
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I agree that retesting may be beneficial for those that haven't ridden for 20yrs etc. Weighed against th cost of bike and all the gear, £500ish isn't that dear for some training and a test.
However, clearly the current test is flawed, as we all know of middle aged men who have never ridden, taken the intense course, passed, bought an R1 and quickly killed themselves.
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I agree that retesting may be beneficial for those that haven't ridden for 20yrs etc. Weighed against th cost of bike and all the gear, £500ish isn't that dear for some training and a test.
However, clearly the current test is flawed, as we all know of middle aged men who have never ridden, taken the intense course, passed, bought an R1 and quickly killed themselves.
Yep. .....because the old reflexes ain't what they were. :'(
Works both ways though. A good friend of mine passed his test on a Honda CD 175 twin (single carb slug) Then immediately went out and bought a brand new Suzuki GS1000. Back in 1978 this was just about the fastest missile on the planet. Less than a week later died in an accident involving a car.
He was still seventeen. :'(
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I agree that retesting may be beneficial for those that haven't ridden for 20yrs etc. Weighed against th cost of bike and all the gear, £500ish isn't that dear for some training and a test.
However, clearly the current test is flawed, as we all know of middle aged men who have never ridden, taken the intense course, passed, bought an R1 and quickly killed themselves.
Yep. .....because the old reflexes ain't what they were. :'(
Works both ways though. A good friend of mine passed his test on a Honda CD 175 twin (single carb slug) Then immediately went out and bought a brand new Suzuki GS1000. Back in 1978 this was just about the fastest missile on the planet. Less than a week later died in an accident involving a car.
He was still seventeen. :'(
But youngsters now are limited to smaller machines once test is passed for a while...
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I agree that retesting may be beneficial for those that haven't ridden for 20yrs etc. Weighed against th cost of bike and all the gear, £500ish isn't that dear for some training and a test.
However, clearly the current test is flawed, as we all know of middle aged men who have never ridden, taken the intense course, passed, bought an R1 and quickly killed themselves.
Yep. .....because the old reflexes ain't what they were. :'(
Works both ways though. A good friend of mine passed his test on a Honda CD 175 twin (single carb slug) Then immediately went out and bought a brand new Suzuki GS1000. Back in 1978 this was just about the fastest missile on the planet. Less than a week later died in an accident involving a car.
He was still seventeen. :'(
But youngsters now are limited to smaller machines once test is passed for a while...
Yes, TB. It's all changed since those heady days when we were allowed to take our (one part) test on a 30 BHP....100 MPH, 250 cc machine. These days I think you have to be at least forty before being allowed to ride a poxy 125 cc bike with only 12 BHP. :-\ :-\
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Re-testing should be implemented for all entitlements ;) It would get a lot of the oblivious idiots off the road :y
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Wondering though, is there a legitimate case for re taking a test after an entitlement has laid dormant for x amount of years ..?
ESP given born again biker syndrome. Of which I'd be one if I rode on the road again
I still remember the day I took my mates ZZR1100 out for a spin after a long break from big bikes. I entered a tight left hander, leaned in nicely, misjudged the speed I was doing, backed off slightly (yeh yeh, a sin I know), the bike sat up and I ended up on the wrong side of the road. Thankfully nothing was coming so I got away with it but it shows how easy it can all go wrong.
The other thing that surprised me was the sheer power and how easy it is to do power wheelies, sometimes unintentionally. :)
Without mentioning speeds, it becomes concerning when the scenery is moving faster than your eyes are adjusting. ;D
Still have the Moto X for fun though. :y
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But youngsters now are limited to smaller machines once test is passed for a while...
They can ride any size bike they like Jaime, it's the BHP that's the restriction as far as the law is concerned.
A good idea in theory, but once you have the piece of paper confirming your 600RR is only putting out 33 BHP, the only way it can be proven that the owner hasn't removed the restriction is to put the bike on a rolling road (not really feasible for a roadside check).
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But youngsters now are limited to smaller machines once test is passed for a while...
They can ride any size bike they like Jaime, it's the BHP that's the restriction as far as the law is concerned.
A good idea in theory, but once you have the piece of paper confirming your 600RR is only putting out 33 BHP, the only way it can be proven that the owner hasn't removed the restriction is to put the bike on a rolling road (not really feasible for a roadside check).
True, but my point being its a step in the right direction.
TBH, without looney plates, unless you pull the rider (who can claim to be anyone), its all a bit unknown anyway.
I work in Milton Keynes, and I suspect a sizable proportion of drivers there have never passed any test (thats valid in the UK), but that doesn't stop them driving...
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But youngsters now are limited to smaller machines once test is passed for a while...
They can ride any size bike they like Jaime, it's the BHP that's the restriction as far as the law is concerned.
A good idea in theory, but once you have the piece of paper confirming your 600RR is only putting out 33 BHP, the only way it can be proven that the owner hasn't removed the restriction is to put the bike on a rolling road (not really feasible for a roadside check).
How the hell do you make a Honda CBR 600 produce a pathetic 33 BHP, when the full power model kicks out closer to 120 BHP?.
Are they all being ridden with three plug caps pulled off....... ;) ;D ;D
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Restrictors in the air intakes in the inlets.They look like a big washer with a hole in the middle.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Kawasaki-ZZR-600-carburettor-model-Restrictor-Kit-33-BHP-25kw-certificate-/221261926395?pt=UK_Motorcycle_Parts_13&hash=item33843d0ffb
When I bought my current cbr600 it had the wrong ECU fitted.The previous owner had lost the keys and it would have cost around £1000 to have it sorted by Honda,or that was what he was told. A "mate in the trade" got him a set of keys,transponder & ECU cheap and fitted it to the bike.The bloke was a very inexperienced nervous rider,so didn't realise it was electronically limited.
It took a lot of elimination,but I finally tracked it down to the ecu,and knew someone who could get hold of one very cheaply for me.
I will never forget the grin the first time I opened it up and instead of stopping at the usual 8k rpm it lifted the front wheel and sailed on to the redline and around 100bhp. ;D
The bloke who got the ecu for me said that the other one was from Switzerland (or somewhere similar) where they make them restrict bikes to around 45bhp. :-\
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Re-testing should be implemented for all entitlements ;) It would get a lot of the oblivious idiots off the road :y
I would have to learn what all the road signs mean then!!! ??? ???
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Hmm,I take the points made about re-tests.Maybe that would be the safer bet,although I only want a commuter type of thing.Something like an older 400/500cc,not some road burning rocket ship.It would be mainly for going to work after we complete the house move this week,otherwise it goes from a 5minute walk to a 35 minute one.
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Hmm,I take the points made about re-tests.Maybe that would be the safer bet,although I only want a commuter type of thing.Something like an older 400/500cc,not some road burning rocket ship.It would be mainly for going to work after we complete the house move this week,otherwise it goes from a 5minute walk to a 35 minute one.
You shouldn't need to though, if they hadn't cocked up. Damned annoying. :(
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when I last renewed my licence(hgv)I simply ticked the "lost" box on the form and kept my old one. :y