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Chat Area => General Car Chat => Topic started by: PAULCDX on 05 August 2013, 19:48:51
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Hi all,
Just been having a browse around on National Tyre and Kwik Fit at there tyre prices for 225/55/16's.
Cheapest was Westlake and Wanli for around £60 per tyre, :o ( don't these are very good tho are they? )
Avon AV5's were around £89 and then Dunlop's around £111 per tyre, not bad I thought for a decent brand :y
My car is running on Michelin Primacy all round but no doubt all four will need changing in the month's ahead. :-\
What's the ideal tyre choice for the Omega and possible costs?
Thanks,
Paul ;)
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Popcorn ready...
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Chris!!!!!
A tyre thread!! (http://stratics.com/community/data/images/smilies/popcorn.gif)
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i got Nexan 1000,s on mine. Seem ok. Got them from E tyres, £280 fitted on my drive
Keith B
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I swore by the previous version of theses, which were available in all the Omega sizes...
http://www.blackcircles.com/catalogue/runway/performance-926/225/55/R16/W/99/f?returnurl=%2forder%2ftyres%3f%26width%3d225%26profile%3d55%26rim%3d16%26speed%3dAny%26minpricerange%3d0%26maxpricerange%3d0%26displayall%3d999&tyre=32326287 (http://www.blackcircles.com/catalogue/runway/performance-926/225/55/R16/W/99/f?returnurl=%2forder%2ftyres%3f%26width%3d225%26profile%3d55%26rim%3d16%26speed%3dAny%26minpricerange%3d0%26maxpricerange%3d0%26displayall%3d999&tyre=32326287)
I have yet to try this later version, but will be fitting a set of four to my car as and when the time comes. Once fitted and bedded in I shall report back :y
Nothing further to add :-X
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Bloody hell here we go again,let me get the pop corn ;D
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How did 'that' word get past the word filter. ;D ;D
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battern down the hatch's
About to take incoming fire ;D
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Hi all,
Just been having a browse around on National Tyre and Kwik Fit at there tyre prices for 225/55/16's.
Cheapest was Westlake and Wanli for around £60 per tyre, :o ( don't these are very good tho are they? )
Avon AV5's were around £89 and then Dunlop's around £111 per tyre, not bad I thought for a decent brand :y
My car is running on Michelin Primacy all round but no doubt all four will need changing in the month's ahead. :-\
What's the ideal tyre choice for the Omega and possible costs?
Thanks,
Paul ;)
I've used Wanli Ditchfinders in the past.
Not great, especially in the wet, but not as piss poor as their reputation suggests. :y
Go for Goodyear Eagle F1 As2 if money is flowing freely. :y.........All independent test rate them highly. :y
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Running these Paul and I can`t fault them
http://www.allnewtyres.co.uk/tyre-details.asp?id=20&Accelera ALPHA X/LOAD 225 55 16 / 2255516 99W New Car Tyres
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The "T" word should be banned :( ;D
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Below is post from the "approved tyre" thread.
http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/index.php?topic=111577.75#quickreply
It was intended as a guide for owners to choose a tyre that had been used first hand by members that where prepared to put thier name to them as suitable. "Suitable" meaning proven first hand to be at the very least, stable. Some members have been stung by a couple of tyres at varying cost that have utterly destroyed a cars handling.
The list below gives the names of those proven basic level tyres Oof members have owned and another member has agreed as fit purpose.
Your job there after, is to evaluate your own driving and, therefor, grip level requirements and buy accordingly. Realistically, from this point on, only you can decide what tyres are suitable, given your budget and driving style.
Hope this helps. :)
The basis of this is minimal tramlining. Grip level as per group.
MUST BE VARIFIED BY TWO DIFFERENT MEMBERS
These tyres have been tested or owned ( which ever ) by Chrisgixer Taxi Al and TheBoy, vxlv6 , dbug, Mv6Matt Pauls and Entwood so far.
Premium
Goodyear Eagle F1 Asymmetric Oe 17" 235/45R17 97 Y Extra Load - max load 730 Kg
Continental Sc3 mo Front 18" 8j 245/40/18. 93y(rim protection)
Continental Sc3 Mo Rear 18" 9j 265/35/18 97Y Extra load.
continental Sc3 generic Oe 17"
Dunlop sport maxx TT. Oe 17" 235/45/17 94Y
Michelin Pilot Primacy 225 55 16 OE 16" (expensive, and better available)
Pirelli P zero, Oe 17" 235 45 17 r 97w
Mid range
Kumho ku31 Oe 17"
Pirelli p6000. Oe 17"
Budget
Runway Enduro 916+ 97W XL Oe 235/45/17 ET33 (priced as budget, mid range quality )
Oe 225/55/16 ET35?
245/40/18 ET33 Irmscher Stila 8J x 18"
Accelera Alphas Oe 16"
Toyo proxy t1r. Oe 17"
Nexen CP461 Oe 16" 225/55/16 (speed and rating no longer
available) (caution in standing water)
Westlake sv308 Oe17" 235 45 ZR17 97W M+S (test for no Tramlining
only )
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Been waiting 2 minutes now, :)
Ready steady go---
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I take it nobody likes talking about the dreaded " T " word then ? :D
If only I'd known and done a search instead ;D ::)
Oh well gives us something to talk about whilst eating our popcorn ;D :D
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contact.
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Nice one Chris :-* :y
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Thanks RobG ;) :y
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Running these Paul and I can`t fault them
http://www.allnewtyres.co.uk/tyre-details.asp?id=20&Accelera ALPHA X/LOAD 225 55 16 / 2255516 99W New Car Tyres
Currently have a pair of these in 18" on the front of mine, with my preferred choice on the rear. They've stood up alright, but aren't quite as resistant to shoulder wear from higher cornering speeds as the squarer shouldered Runways :y
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(http://www.boutiquegeartalk.com/images/smilies/smiley-scared004.gif) Is it safe to come out yet
;D
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Cool, 8)
Gives me some food for thought for when I need to change mine :y
Choices, choices :D ;D
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(http://www.boutiquegeartalk.com/images/smilies/smiley-scared004.gif) Is it safe to come out yet
;D
No not yet, I'll let you know when :D ;D
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I think it's safe now ;D :-X
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Nice one Chris :-* :y
Unfortunately some of those are no longer available. As that thread suggests, assuming the newer model of a discontinued one is going to be better is dangerous. Sadly.
Personally I am currently working on the "Mercedes approved" theory. Pic a Mercedes model of the same size weight and rear drive as the omega, with the same wheel size, and pic the Mercedes approved tyre for that model.
Mercedes seem to be the only manufacturer (afaict) that go out of their way to test tyres that are NOT original equipment. In other words, Merc owners can wonder out in to the tyre market mine field and purchase an after market tyre of varying price and performance level, that they KNOW is going to work on their car and wheel option. Provided it has an MO (Mercedes Only) stamp. Mo work on other models as well though.
Its something that does endear me to Mercedes tbh.
...that's the theory so far anyway. ::) :y
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Where's cem :-X ::) ;D
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I'd add Sport Maxx RT to that list, not quite as stable as the TT version, but pretty good. Grip level is astonishing (for a road tyre), but that shows in wear...
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Just been looking at them actually Jamie, ;) :y
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Just bought two new 225/55/ZR16 97W Runway Enduros 916+ for the front of the Estate - to match the 3 month old ones on the back - £65 each all incl (VAT incl). Always had good performance from these on previous Elites, and also from Accelera Alphas same size.
HTH
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Just bought two new 225/55/ZR16 97W Runway Enduros 916+ for the front of the Estate - to match the 3 month old ones on the back - £65 each all incl (VAT incl). Always had good performance from these on previous Elites, and also from Accelera Alphas same size.
HTH
Are these more available now? Al was saying they became difficult to find. :(
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Popcorn ready...
;D ;D
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Where's cem :-X ::) ;D
been busy with biology ( reading) :P :y
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Hi all,
Just been having a browse around on National Tyre and Kwik Fit at there tyre prices for 225/55/16's.
Cheapest was Westlake and Wanli for around £60 per tyre, :o ( don't these are very good tho are they? )
Avon AV5's were around £89 and then Dunlop's around £111 per tyre, not bad I thought for a decent brand :y
My car is running on Michelin Primacy all round but no doubt all four will need changing in the month's ahead. :-\
What's the ideal tyre choice for the Omega and possible costs?
Thanks,
Paul ;)
I've used Wanli Ditchfinders in the past.
Not great, especially in the wet, but not as piss poor as their reputation suggests. :y
Go for Goodyear Eagle F1 As2 if money is flowing freely. :y .........All independent test rate them highly. :y
agreed.. :y
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Does anyone know what tyre brand these Value choice are ?
Looks like someone with an Omega V6 left a good review about them... :-\
A heavy right foot and an Omega v6 and they are still showing a huge amount of tread(1 year on). very impressed
22/10/2012
£63.12 fully fitted price. 235/45/R17 W
http://www.blackcircles.com/catalogue/blackcircles.com/value-choice/235/45/R17/W/97/f?returnurl=%2forder%2ftyres%3f%26width%3d235%26profile%3d45%26rim%3d17%26speed%3dAny%26minpricerange%3d10%26maxpricerange%3d60%26displayall%3d6&tyre=11401780
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That makes me laugh. Review box on the right of that link.
Car feels better to drive? *****
I should hope it does feel better to drive if you've taken worn out rubber off and fitted new. Tyre reviews, honestly. ::)
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That makes me laugh. Review box on the right of that link.
Car feels better to drive? *****
I should hope it does feel better to drive if you've taken worn out rubber off and fitted new. Tyre reviews, honestly. ::)
Just goes to show what use tyre tests are. ::)
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Just bought two new 225/55/ZR16 97W Runway Enduros 916+ for the front of the Estate - to match the 3 month old ones on the back - £65 each all incl (VAT incl). Always had good performance from these on previous Elites, and also from Accelera Alphas same size.
HTH
Are these more available now? Al was saying they became difficult to find. :(
Got them "off the shelf" at my local indie tyre place ;)
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Hi Paul.
Just before my car was written off I bought 4 new tyres plus wheel alignment at a reasonable price from this company.
http://www.tyre-shopper.co.uk/
Good luck.
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Residual stock perhaps :-\
Couldn't get 18"s for love nor money :'(
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That makes me laugh. Review box on the right of that link.
Car feels better to drive? *****
I should hope it does feel better to drive if you've taken worn out rubber off and fitted new. Tyre reviews, honestly. ::)
Just goes to show what use tyre tests are. ::)
tyre review is one thing and tyre test (measurement) is another :)
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That makes me laugh. Review box on the right of that link.
Car feels better to drive? *****
I should hope it does feel better to drive if you've taken worn out rubber off and fitted new. Tyre reviews, honestly. ::)
Just goes to show what use tyre tests are. ::)
tyre review is one thing and tyre test (measurement) is another :)
Y A W N ;D
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Ear we go handbags :)
Take a seat again. Cem has spoken ;D
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Ear we go handbags :)
Take a seat again. Cem has spoken ;D
;D ;D
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Does anyone know what tyre brand these Value choice are ?
Looks like someone with an Omega V6 left a good review about them... :-\
A heavy right foot and an Omega v6 and they are still showing a huge amount of tread(1 year on). very impressed
22/10/2012
£63.12 fully fitted price. 235/45/R17 W
http://www.blackcircles.com/catalogue/blackcircles.com/value-choice/235/45/R17/W/97/f?returnurl=%2forder%2ftyres%3f%26width%3d235%26profile%3d45%26rim%3d17%26speed%3dAny%26minpricerange%3d10%26maxpricerange%3d60%26displayall%3d6&tyre=11401780
Anyone bought them, What brand where they ?,, I'm considering these or the Runway performance ones...
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WESTLAKE SV308 97W XL's very good, I now have 4 of them though they are 235/45WR17.
I immediately noticed the lower noise, good in the wet, haven't tried them on mud and snow but they must be better than the Nexen Eagle F1 copies I used to use. They claim M&S rating - though they don't have a lot of sipes they do have high negative land to sea ratio. No doubt they will wear faster but at £60 I won't complain. IMHO on the rear wheel drive mig it is worth getting tyres that are better in M&S than you would need for a front wheel drive car.
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I'm keeping quiet on this thread now ;D :-X
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I'm keeping quiet on this thread now ;D :-X
What??? (http://www.emofaces.com/png/15/emoticons/innocent.png)
I was going to recommend these wheels but thought better of it
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f5/Zagreb_tram_%2817%29.jpg/320px-Zagreb_tram_%2817%29.jpg)
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Wet weather performance is far more relevant IMO. This is the Uk after all.
So that's most of the mid and budget tyres out for me. :)
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I'm keeping quiet on this thread now ;D :-X
What???
I was going to recommend these wheels but thought better of it
(http://)
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Not really fair on those members on Oof with mobiles, that. I tad smaller at least...?
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Has anyone heard or a tyre brand "Rapid" ?, My local garage who is an independent garage to blackcircles.com who recommended those tyres over Runway budget tyres :-\ .. Saying they can sell cheaper if i buy direct rather than through blackcircles.... £61 a tyre..
Must be these ??? They look too cheap to be any good surely..
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/235-45-17-RAPID-P609-97W-XL-TYRE-235-45R17-2-TYRES-/261233516076?pt=UK_Cars_Tyres_RL&hash=item3cd2bb1e2c
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I'm running Neuton NT5000 235/45R17 on the Omega at the moment - £66 ea (although I think I paid slightly less as I bought four at once).. they're alright, nothing to set the world on fire but decent grip wet and good grip dry; although it can be hard to tell past the wallowy Elite suspension ;D
Only available from Neo Bros in Waltham Cross, though.
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Wet weather performance is far more relevant IMO. This is the Uk after all.
So that's most of the mid and budget tyres out for me. :)
I know the EU is widely hated here but the EU tyre label is one of the best things they have introduced. Many budget tyres have better wet grip ratings than expensive tyres. Tyres can now be judged on official test results rather than marketing hype.
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I'm keeping quiet on this thread now ;D :-X
What???
I was going to recommend these wheels but thought better of it
(http://)
Not really fair on those members on Oof with mobiles, that. I tad smaller at least...?
A picture can be worth a thousand words... ;D
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Residual stock perhaps :-\
Couldn't get 18"s for love nor money :'(
Spoke to my tyre guy who said the Enduros were readily available in 16" and 17" sizes. The local place (about a mile from me but small and too expensive) was also able to get the Enduros easily. Guess your issue is wheel size (18" wheels) ???
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Really impressed with the Kumo's KU31's I got with CDX alloys, good grip, excellent low noise.
Don't make them any more, so MotherT's Estate got booted with later KU39's appear good so far, only been on a month and a bit so far. T
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Residual stock perhaps :-\
Couldn't get 18"s for love nor money :'(
Spoke to my tyre guy who said the Enduros were readily available in 16" and 17" sizes. The local place (about a mile from me but small and too expensive) was also able to get the Enduros easily. Guess your issue is wheel size (18" wheels) ???
Could well be the case :y haven't had need of either 16" or 17" for a while now ::) though that might change soon :-X
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Wet weather performance is far more relevant IMO. This is the Uk after all.
So that's most of the mid and budget tyres out for me. :)
I know the EU is widely hated here but the EU tyre label is one of the best things they have introduced. Many budget tyres have better wet grip ratings than expensive tyres. Tyres can now be judged on official test results rather than marketing hype.
I disagree with immense passion.
It means that manufacturers aim to hit 3 areas, 2 of which are entirely pointless, at the expense of everything else. To emphasise my point, may I present the utter useless, dangerous Continental Sport Contact 5.
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I'm keeping quiet on this thread now ;D :-X
What???
I was going to recommend these wheels but thought better of it
(http://)
Not really fair on those members on Oof with mobiles, that. I tad smaller at least...?
A picture can be worth a thousand words... ;D
Just so your aware, if posting large pics, its best to do so in a thread with (pic heavy) or similar in the title. That way it doesn't cost people money unnecessarily. :y
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Really impressed with the Kumo's KU31's I got with CDX alloys, good grip, excellent low noise.
Don't make them any more, so MotherT's Estate got booted with later KU39's appear good so far, only been on a month and a bit so far. T
From what I could tell in damp conditions, runway enduro offer very similar performance to the ku31, but for a lot less money. Although, they are a bit noisy pulling up on the brakes by comparison.
Worth a look next time IMO. ;)
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I recently fitted a set of Enduros all round on the TD Estate. Impressions are, very good grip, but noisy. Haven't tried them in really wet conditions yet. :y
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Wet weather performance is far more relevant IMO. This is the Uk after all.
So that's most of the mid and budget tyres out for me. :)
I know the EU is widely hated here but the EU tyre label is one of the best things they have introduced. Many budget tyres have better wet grip ratings than expensive tyres. Tyres can now be judged on official test results rather than marketing hype.
I disagree with immense passion.
It means that manufacturers aim to hit 3 areas, 2 of which are entirely pointless, at the expense of everything else. To emphasise my point, may I present the utter useless, dangerous Continental Sport Contact 5.
If you've never purchased a tyre before or are a complete imbecile, the eu labelling "might" be of use to a buyer. Other than that its utterly useless as the main attributes of a tyre, and hence the handing of the car, is completely ignored, as TB says, in order to satisfy the random musings of an arrogant eu beuroidiot that thinks he/they know better than all the tyre makers put together.
Non of which does anything to protect a buyer from the utterly appalling handling that can occur from the likes of the aforementioned sc5 and any model FALKEN prior to and including the 912! The result of which can see getting on for £700 lobbed in the bin because the car is so dangerous to drive.
Hur,rather,rumpf! (;D )
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Bah! Poxy word filter!
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Falken (not sure which type exactly) are regarded as being poor then, That might explain a few things got x2 on the front of the 3.2 :-X ;D
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Falken (not sure which type exactly) are regarded as being poor then, That might explain a few things got x2 on the front of the 3.2 :-X ;D
It would seem, Afaict, that they are a bit borderline on the omega structurally. At the time I had mine, it appears they only made a 93 load rating max. Which I believe is too low for the omega. If your a bit of a plodder then they may be fine. If your a bit more, ahem, "progressive" in your driving style, they degrade badly to the point of being lethal by half worn.
By lethal, I mean, impossible to keep in lane on a bumpy B road at anything over 40mph, constant correction at the steering wheel, and makes lieing on a water bed seem stable by comparison.
...a situation made worse by soft Elite suspension.
Shit tyres! Avoid. :)
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Falken (not sure which type exactly) are regarded as being poor then, That might explain a few things got x2 on the front of the 3.2 :-X ;D
It would seem, Afaict, that they are a bit borderline on the omega structurally. At the time I had mine, it appears they only made a 93 load rating max. Which I believe is too low for the omega. If your a bit of a plodder then they may be fine. If your a bit more, ahem, "progressive" in your driving style, they degrade badly to the point of being lethal by half worn.
By lethal, I mean, impossible to keep in lane on a bumpy B road at anything over 40mph, constant correction at the steering wheel, and makes lieing on a water bed seem stable by comparison.
...a situation made worse by soft Elite suspension.
Shit tyres! Avoid. :)
They need replacing soon, Cracking and getting close to borderline legal.. Got a tight budget atm of around £150 for x2 for the front...
Was going to try the Runway performance from blackcircles but I figured out which garage is local and contacted them directly and asked them, They didn't know what I was on about till I mentioned blackcircles.com and then said, Ah yes they are the budget tyres they do.. Then said they recommend a brand called Rapid over them which I haven't heard of before around £61 a tyre if I remember correctly. Mainly because the oldest excuse in the book ther Runways are out of stock, Anyways they try and stuff the crap and sugarcoat them with gold coloured poo..
Sorry for hijacking the thread with this but didn't think another tyre thread would go down well :-X ;D..
Can anyone recommend a particular tyre brand that would be around £150 for x2 (ideally less than £150 not more) I could look for and ask around that are reasonably good for the Omega apart from the Runway's.. A long shot but if you don't ask you don't get :y
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Falken (not sure which type exactly) are regarded as being poor then, That might explain a few things got x2 on the front of the 3.2 :-X ;D
It would seem, Afaict, that they are a bit borderline on the omega structurally. At the time I had mine, it appears they only made a 93 load rating max. Which I believe is too low for the omega. If your a bit of a plodder then they may be fine. If your a bit more, ahem, "progressive" in your driving style, they degrade badly to the point of being lethal by half worn.
By lethal, I mean, impossible to keep in lane on a bumpy B road at anything over 40mph, constant correction at the steering wheel, and makes lieing on a water bed seem stable by comparison.
...a situation made worse by soft Elite suspension.
Shit tyres! Avoid. :)
They need replacing soon, Cracking and getting close to borderline legal.. Got a tight budget atm of around £150 for x2 for the front...
Was going to try the Runway performance from blackcircles but I figured out which garage is local and contacted them directly and asked them, They didn't know what I was on about till I mentioned blackcircles.com and then said, Ah yes they are the budget tyres they do.. Then said they recommend a brand called Rapid over them which I haven't heard of before around £61 a tyre if I remember correctly. Mainly because the oldest excuse in the book ther Runways are out of stock, Anyways they try and stuff the crap and sugarcoat them with gold coloured poo..
Sorry for hijacking the thread with this but didn't think another tyre thread would go down well :-X ;D..
Can anyone recommend a particular tyre brand that would be around £150 for x2 (ideally less than £150 not more) I could look for and ask around that are reasonably good for the Omega apart from the Runway's.. A long shot but if you don't ask you don't get :y
Accelera Alphas ;) Good budget tyre
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AAAAAH would dbug please stop posting stuff I agree with! >:(
;D
Although, I'm breaking my own rule by doing so, as I have no experience of that tyre. :-[
But its what I'd do. Pfffff... ::) ;D
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Are they more readily available then ?
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I'm keeping quiet on this thread now ;D :-X
What???
I was going to recommend these wheels but thought better of it
Not really fair on those members on Oof with mobiles, that. I tad smaller at least...?
A picture can be worth a thousand words... ;D
Just so your aware, if posting large pics, its best to do so in a thread with (pic heavy) or similar in the title. That way it doesn't cost people money unnecessarily. :y
My one off tram pic is 26KB.
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f5/Zagreb_tram_%2817%29.jpg/320px-Zagreb_tram_%2817%29.jpg)
Your animated avatar in every post you make (which is a lot) is 25KB
(http://img1.jurko.net/MatrixTrinity12926.gif) ;D ;D ;D.
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I know the EU is widely hated here but the EU tyre label is one of the best things they have introduced. Many budget tyres have better wet grip ratings than expensive tyres. Tyres can now be judged on official test results rather than marketing hype.
I disagree with immense passion.
It means that manufacturers aim to hit 3 areas, 2 of which are entirely pointless, at the expense of everything else. To emphasise my point, may I present the utter useless, dangerous Continental Sport Contact 5.
If you've never purchased a tyre before or are a complete imbecile, the eu labelling "might" be of use to a buyer. Other than that its utterly useless as the main attributes of a tyre, and hence the handing of the car, is completely ignored, as TB says, in order to satisfy the random musings of an arrogant eu beuroidiot that thinks he/they know better than all the tyre makers put together.
Well as I expected. For people who take these things a bit more seriously, like Goodyear, here is their guide to the EU ratings:
https://www.goodyear.eu/uk_en/tire-advice/eu-tire-label/ (https://www.goodyear.eu/uk_en/tire-advice/eu-tire-label/)
If you do a little research you'll see that the EU label testing is very though and most of all independent of the manufacturer. Especially as regard wet grip. If on the other hand you prefer to be spoon fed marketing info and buy fancy labels at inflated prices, go ahead.
It is completely beyond me however why the EU didn't include tramlining as a fourth rating ;D
Just opened my bag of popcorn ;)
For those interested in the boring but scientifically tested characteristics of tyres and not what the marketing people or some bloke down the forum told you, or some website that collates personal opinions of tyres, here is the wet grip test (which is actually a United Nations standard). Start at page 49: http://www.unece.org/fileadmin/DAM/trans/main/wp29/wp29regs/r117rev.2E.pdf
(http://www.unece.org/fileadmin/DAM/trans/main/wp29/wp29regs/r117rev.2E.pdf)
Here's a taster
Test procedure for measuring wet grip
1. General Test Conditions
1.1. Track characteristics
The track shall have a dense asphalt surface with a gradient in any direction
not exceeding 2 per cent. It shall be of uniform age, composition, and wear
and shall be free of loose material or foreign deposits. The maximum
chipping size shall be 10 mm (tolerances permitted from 8 mm to 13 mm)
and the sand depth measured as specified in ASTM standard E 965-96 (2006)
shall be 0.7 ±0.3 mm.
The surface friction value for the wetted track shall be established by one or
other of the following methods:
1.1.1. Standard reference test tyre (SRTT) method
When tested using the SRTT and the method given in paragraph 2.1. the
average peak brake force coefficient (pbfc) shall be between 0.6 and 0.8. The
measured values shall be corrected for the effects of temperature as follows:
pbfc = pbfc (measured) + 0.0035 (t - 20)
where "t" is the wetted track surface temperature in degrees Celsius.
The test shall be conducted using the lanes and length of the track to be used
for the wet grip test;
1.1.2. British pendulum number (BPN) method
The averaged British pendulum number (BPN) of the wetted track, measured
in accordance with the procedure given in the ASTM standard E 303-93
(2008) and using the pad as specified in ASTM standard E 501-08, shall be
between 40 and 60 after temperature correction. Unless temperature
correction recommendations are indicated by the pendulum manufacturer, the
following formula can be used:
BPN = BPN (measured value) + 0.34 · t - 0.0018 · t² - 6.1
where "t" is the wetted track surface temperature in degrees Celsius.
In the lanes of the track to be used during the wet grip tests, the BPN shall be
measured at intervals of 10 m along the length of the lanes. The BPN shall be
measured 5 times at each point and the coefficient of variation of the BPN
averages shall not exceed by 10 per cent.
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Christ almighty.
Have you learned nothing on Oof ?
We don't believe anything on here! Nothing! Except first hand experience.
....oh no, wait, of course you've learned nothing. Bloody Jedi's know everything already. ;D
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I know the EU is widely hated here but the EU tyre label is one of the best things they have introduced. Many budget tyres have better wet grip ratings than expensive tyres. Tyres can now be judged on official test results rather than marketing hype.
I disagree with immense passion.
It means that manufacturers aim to hit 3 areas, 2 of which are entirely pointless, at the expense of everything else. To emphasise my point, may I present the utter useless, dangerous Continental Sport Contact 5.
If you've never purchased a tyre before or are a complete imbecile, the eu labelling "might" be of use to a buyer. Other than that its utterly useless as the main attributes of a tyre, and hence the handing of the car, is completely ignored, as TB says, in order to satisfy the random musings of an arrogant eu beuroidiot that thinks he/they know better than all the tyre makers put together.
Well as I expected. For people who take these things a bit more seriously, like Goodyear, here is their guide to the EU ratings:
https://www.goodyear.eu/uk_en/tire-advice/eu-tire-label/ (https://www.goodyear.eu/uk_en/tire-advice/eu-tire-label/)
If you do a little research you'll see that the EU label testing is very though and most of all independent of the manufacturer. Especially as regard wet grip. If on the other hand you prefer to be spoon fed marketing info and buy fancy labels at inflated prices, go ahead.
It is completely beyond me however why the EU didn't include tramlining as a fourth rating ;D
Just opened my bag of popcorn ;)
For those interested in the boring but scientifically tested characteristics of tyres and not what the marketing people or some bloke down the forum told you, or some website that collates personal opinions of tyres, here is the wet grip test (which is actually a United Nations standard). Start at page 49: http://www.unece.org/fileadmin/DAM/trans/main/wp29/wp29regs/r117rev.2E.pdf
(http://www.unece.org/fileadmin/DAM/trans/main/wp29/wp29regs/r117rev.2E.pdf)
Here's a taster
Test procedure for measuring wet grip
1. General Test Conditions
1.1. Track characteristics
The track shall have a dense asphalt surface with a gradient in any direction
not exceeding 2 per cent. It shall be of uniform age, composition, and wear
and shall be free of loose material or foreign deposits. The maximum
chipping size shall be 10 mm (tolerances permitted from 8 mm to 13 mm)
and the sand depth measured as specified in ASTM standard E 965-96 (2006)
shall be 0.7 ±0.3 mm.
The surface friction value for the wetted track shall be established by one or
other of the following methods:
1.1.1. Standard reference test tyre (SRTT) method
When tested using the SRTT and the method given in paragraph 2.1. the
average peak brake force coefficient (pbfc) shall be between 0.6 and 0.8. The
measured values shall be corrected for the effects of temperature as follows:
pbfc = pbfc (measured) + 0.0035 (t - 20)
where "t" is the wetted track surface temperature in degrees Celsius.
The test shall be conducted using the lanes and length of the track to be used
for the wet grip test;
1.1.2. British pendulum number (BPN) method
The averaged British pendulum number (BPN) of the wetted track, measured
in accordance with the procedure given in the ASTM standard E 303-93
(2008) and using the pad as specified in ASTM standard E 501-08, shall be
between 40 and 60 after temperature correction. Unless temperature
correction recommendations are indicated by the pendulum manufacturer, the
following formula can be used:
BPN = BPN (measured value) + 0.34 · t - 0.0018 · t² - 6.1
where "t" is the wetted track surface temperature in degrees Celsius.
In the lanes of the track to be used during the wet grip tests, the BPN shall be
measured at intervals of 10 m along the length of the lanes. The BPN shall be
measured 5 times at each point and the coefficient of variation of the BPN
averages shall not exceed by 10 per cent.
The test measures seems to be serious really ??? :y
and glad to see finally a meaningful label :)
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Christ almighty.
Have you learned nothing on Oof ?
We don't believe anything on here! Nothing! Except first hand experience.
....oh no, wait, of course you've learned nothing. Bloody Jedi's know everything already. ;D
My first hand experience here is a vocal one of two of you just making stuff up and, when caught out, making more stuff up. Black paint "being the hardest colour to match" was my first experience :o. Anyone who challenges it gets called argumentative or blasphemed at. Or stalked 8).
Jedi is a valid religion don't knock it ;D ;D ;D
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Christ almighty.
Have you learned nothing on Oof ?
We don't believe anything on here! Nothing! Except first hand experience.
....oh no, wait, of course you've learned nothing. Bloody Jedi's know everything already. ;D
Chris, this tone of speaking really prooves that you have learned nothing.. and without doubt as everyone witnesses you are the #1 official provoker of tyre threads.. >:(
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(Oh, sigh), we where doing so well until cirtain members piped up.
No change there then. ::)
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we where doing so well
No change there then. ::)
yep.. agreed.. until you start provocation as usual..
and seems really no change.. ::)
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I've now eaten all the peanuts, but will be back later with some crisps to continue 'enjoying' this thread. ::) ::) ::)
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we where doing so well
No change there then. ::)
yep.. agreed.. until you start provocation as usual..
and seems really no change.. ::)
Always in response to arrogant bs cem. This fact escapes you, always. And who decides what is provocation? You?
Ultimately responses here should be first hand experience or we all disapear up our own rear end. Bar room rumours and hear say passed on as gospel truth have caused members here so much unnecessary cost and effort!
Posting links from the web to Prove a point as beyond doubt is utterly pointless and IMO, merely proves the poster of such links is operating as far from first hand experience as its possible to get.
Its presumptious, and does nothing for the posters, and the forums credibility.
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Further, dbdb has gone put of his way to prove himself a Jedi master. I'm sure he'll post a link to prove the point soon. ;) ;D
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I'll keep it simple
Have now been using 235/45R17 Pirelli P7 Cint 97W XL (£600) tyres all round since buying my new Omega and found them to be excellent, holding the car at speed like a rocket on rails, whilst lovely and quiet at lower speeds :y :y
For me a simple choice as I love Pirelli :-* :-* :y :y :y
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I'll keep it simple
Have now been using 235/45R17 Pirelli P7 Cint 97W XL (£600) tyres all round since buying my new Omega and found them to be excellent, holding the car at speed like a rocket on rails, whilst lovely and quiet at lower speeds :y :y
For me a simple choice as I love Pirelli :-* :-* :y :y :y
How many miles on them Lizzie? :)
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I'll keep it simple
Have now been using 235/45R17 Pirelli P7 Cint 97W XL (£600) tyres all round since buying my new Omega and found them to be excellent, holding the car at speed like a rocket on rails, whilst lovely and quiet at lower speeds :y :y
For me a simple choice as I love Pirelli :-* :-* :y :y :y
How many miles on them Lizzie? :)
300 so far, but they measure up to anything I have fitted before, and exceeded expectations to date. I know at 1,000 then 3,000 miles a true assessment can start be made, but I know already these tyres are good. They feel the business already, with great holding in grip, in the wet as well, with smooth 'adhesive' type hold at speed on corners, even better than the Pirelli PZero Rosso 235/45 ZR 17 I had before at this mileage. Definitely different characteristics :y :y
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I've now eaten all the peanuts, but will be back later with some crisps to continue 'enjoying' this thread. ::) ::) ::)
Bah! Popcorn is what we need. (https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/26795734/Smilies/popcorn.gif)
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I'll keep it simple
Have now been using 235/45R17 Pirelli P7 Cint 97W XL (£600) tyres all round since buying my new Omega and found them to be excellent, holding the car at speed like a rocket on rails, whilst lovely and quiet at lower speeds :y :y
For me a simple choice as I love Pirelli :-* :-* :y :y :y
But.............£150 a corner? The Enduros were £50 on line, £60 fitted, and ride well if noisy, I don't think I can justify an extra £360. Incidentally the last Pirellis I had were Cinturatos on a MK11 Zepyr, good tyres as I recall. :y :y :y
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I'll keep it simple
Have now been using 235/45R17 Pirelli P7 Cint 97W XL (£600) tyres all round since buying my new Omega and found them to be excellent, holding the car at speed like a rocket on rails, whilst lovely and quiet at lower speeds :y :y
For me a simple choice as I love Pirelli :-* :-* :y :y :y
But.............£150 a corner? The Enduros were £50 on line, £60 fitted, and ride well if noisy, I don't think I can justify an extra £360. Incidentally the last Pirellis I had were Cinturatos on a MK11 Zepyr, good tyres as I recall. :y :y :y
But I have always run with the principle of you only get what you pay for. To me it is not only great value for premium tyres, but gives me a feeling of security and peace of mind. For me that is priceless.
In business I was used to having the best premium tyres fitted, and I am not going to change that habit! :D :D :D :D ;) ;) :y
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I'll keep it simple
Have now been using 235/45R17 Pirelli P7 Cint 97W XL (£600) tyres all round since buying my new Omega and found them to be excellent, holding the car at speed like a rocket on rails, whilst lovely and quiet at lower speeds :y :y
For me a simple choice as I love Pirelli :-* :-* :y :y :y
But.............£150 a corner? The Enduros were £50 on line, £60 fitted, and ride well if noisy, I don't think I can justify an extra £360. Incidentally the last Pirellis I had were Cinturatos on a MK11 Zepyr, good tyres as I recall. :y :y :y
But I have always run with the principle of you only get what you pay for. To me it is not only great value for premium tyres, but gives me a feeling of security and peace of mind. For me that is priceless.
In business I was used to having the best premium tyres fitted, and I am not going to change that habit! :D :D :D :D ;) ;) :y
+1 I'm like that when possibly when funds allow.. Buy cheap buy twice, Been true that saying may times when I've bought the cheaper alternative :y
But when funds are tight decisions need to be made, Either keep better brand used tyres which could go at anytime or buy new whatever the brand should be safer.
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The Runway Enduro 916 is much less of a compromise choice than the price suggests :y
Hopefully the 926 will perform just as well...
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I'll keep it simple
Have now been using 235/45R17 Pirelli P7 Cint 97W XL (£600) tyres all round since buying my new Omega and found them to be excellent, holding the car at speed like a rocket on rails, whilst lovely and quiet at lower speeds :y :y
For me a simple choice as I love Pirelli :-* :-* :y :y :y
But.............£150 a corner? The Enduros were £50 on line, £60 fitted, and ride well if noisy, I don't think I can justify an extra £360. Incidentally the last Pirellis I had were Cinturatos on a MK11 Zepyr, good tyres as I recall. :y :y :y
Agreed. I'm running Enduros and you can't beat them for value. To dismiss them purely because they are cheap goes against the whole point of sharing real world opinions of tyres here. I wouldn't have bought them ordinarily. Had they not been recommended on here I'd have paid a lot more for about the same level of grip (and a little less noise). :y
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we where doing so well
No change there then. ::)
yep.. agreed.. until you start provocation as usual..
and seems really no change.. ::)
Always in response to arrogant bs cem. This fact escapes you, always. And who decides what is provocation? You?
Ultimately responses here should be first hand experience or we all disapear up our own rear end. Bar room rumours and hear say passed on as gospel truth have caused members here so much unnecessary cost and effort!
Posting links from the web to Prove a point as beyond doubt is utterly pointless and IMO, merely proves the poster of such links is operating as far from first hand experience as its possible to get.
Its presumptious, and does nothing for the posters, and the forums credibility.
its a universal fact that most important thing when you are talking is your style whatever you say/claim even bs..
being arrogant is a perfect fit definition to criticize someone and claiming that he/she didnt learn anything.. :(
who gives you that right ? ???
even if we assume you are a professor in that subject (clearly you are not!) this doesnt give you the right to talk like that..
and as for provocation, you could tell your opinion and take your corner but thats not enough for you.. you want action ;D
but please keep in mind everyone is not the same..
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I'm sorry :o
I thought this was a tyre thread.... Not a personalised pissing contest ::)
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I'm sorry :o
I thought this was a tyre thread.... Not a personalised pissing contest ::)
I can write my name if its a contest in Italics ;D
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Lets get back to facts, please. Personal slagging off achieves 3 parts of F all, and is corrosive to OOF. Don't know (or care) who started it and when, it must stop >:(.
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I feel that I must agree with T.B all this personal slagging off achieves nothing except upsetting one or another party, which I feel does the this forum no good as eventually all the good minds will leave, and this wonderful forum will close because all that will be left that will be left is the ankle snappers, which will be a dying shame. so can we please get back to the business of helping each other instead of insulting others, please !
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On OOF, we have the benefit of a vast amount of personal experience of tyres on Omegas. We have also proved quite categorically that tyre tests on other cars is completely irrelevent.
The Falkens on Gixer's car, for example, a very well regarded tyre on family hatchbacks. On Gixer's car - I drove it about a mile at one of the Ashridge meets - plain dangerous. Dangerous in that you cannot keep it between the verge and the centre white line. Slap on my Dunlop SP9000 to test, and its fine. No doubt in my mind, based on my experiences of that tyre on an Omega with a proven "good enough" setup on the chassis, the tyre is simply unsuitable. No idea why, despite spending much time try to find comparisons with other unsuitable tyres.
My own Elite, shod last September with £700 worth of SC5, another tyre that Golf owners rave about, utterly shite from the outset, similar problem to the Falkens, but apparent immediately, not after 1000 miles or so. Fortuantely a short lived mistake, as the fronts came off at 3.5k, because they were shot. The car wasn't even driven hard, because it was too unpredictable. Rears still one, but about spent. Again, no doubt in my mind based on my experiences of the tyres on an Omega that they are entirely unsuitable. Dangerous in fact.
I know Lizzie loves Pirelli. Having used P6000s on Mk2 Astras, Rovers and Omegas, I'd say that the tyre wasn't great, due to low levels of grip, and not a great life. However, on one of our Rovers, the little 25 we owned from new for 12 years, the P6000 was brilliant. Stunning. Tried other brands, such as Goodyear, and the car was rubbish, go back to P6000s and the car was brilliant again. Clearly the tyre worked well on the 25, but not on anything else I've put them on. Why? Who knows.
Tyre tests done on other cars means nothing to us OOFers.
Oh, and for the record, stopping an Omega with A rated wet stopping SC5s in the rain is buttock clenching. Try to turn in the rain, don't bother with the big round thing in front of you.
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On OOF, we have the benefit of a vast amount of personal experience of tyres on Omegas. We have also proved quite categorically that tyre tests on other cars is completely irrelevent.
The Falkens on Gixer's car, for example, a very well regarded tyre on family hatchbacks. On Gixer's car - I drove it about a mile at one of the Ashridge meets - plain dangerous. Dangerous in that you cannot keep it between the verge and the centre white line. Slap on my Dunlop SP9000 to test, and its fine. No doubt in my mind, based on my experiences of that tyre on an Omega with a proven "good enough" setup on the chassis, the tyre is simply unsuitable. No idea why, despite spending much time try to find comparisons with other unsuitable tyres.
My own Elite, shod last September with £700 worth of SC5, another tyre that Golf owners rave about, utterly shite from the outset, similar problem to the Falkens, but apparent immediately, not after 1000 miles or so. Fortuantely a short lived mistake, as the fronts came off at 3.5k, because they were shot. The car wasn't even driven hard, because it was too unpredictable. Rears still one, but about spent. Again, no doubt in my mind based on my experiences of the tyres on an Omega that they are entirely unsuitable. Dangerous in fact.
I know Lizzie loves Pirelli. Having used P6000s on Mk2 Astras, Rovers and Omegas, I'd say that the tyre wasn't great, due to low levels of grip, and not a great life. However, on one of our Rovers, the little 25 we owned from new for 12 years, the P6000 was brilliant. Stunning. Tried other brands, such as Goodyear, and the car was rubbish, go back to P6000s and the car was brilliant again. Clearly the tyre worked well on the 25, but not on anything else I've put them on. Why? Who knows.
Tyre tests done on other cars means nothing to us OOFers.
Oh, and for the record, stopping an Omega with A rated wet stopping SC5s in the rain is buttock clenching. Try to turn in the rain, don't bother with the big round thing in front of you.
for many of OOFers may be..
but for me still meaningful..
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for many of OOFers may be..
For all OOFers, as its not relevent
but for me still meaningful..
Only if you have similar car to what its tested on.
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for many of OOFers may be..
For all OOFers, as its not relevent
but for me still meaningful..
Only if you have similar car to what its tested on.
I dont find it necessary to repeat old discussions.. :)
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Really ::)
Back to Tall Pauls original question...
Any tyre specifically mention in the list that was linked to a couple of pages back is will be fine on any Omega :y
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Really ::)
Back to Tall Pauls original question...
Any tyre specifically mention in the list that was linked to a couple of pages back is will be fine on any Omega :y
but as I see old feelings never get lost ;)
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for many of OOFers may be..
For all OOFers, as its not relevent
but for me still meaningful..
Only if you have similar car to what its tested on.
I dont find it necessary to repeat old discussions.. :)
Whatever works for you.
My goal here is to ensure members get all the correct advice about their Omegas. I'd hate for anyone else to go through what I went through with the SC5s, when all the tyre tests suggested what great tyres they are.
I was (and still am to an extent) stuck with them due to financial constraints - I can't afford £700 on a tyre that lasts 3.5k on the front, and about 5k on the rear - that makes tyre costs, per mile, the same as fuel.
I'd be hurt and personally devastated if I found another member had also wasted that sort of money on tyres based on a review posted by a member that was either inaccurate or irrelevent.
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On OOF, we have the benefit of a vast amount of personal experience of tyres on Omegas. We have also proved quite categorically that tyre tests on other cars is completely irrelevent.
The Falkens on Gixer's car, for example, a very well regarded tyre on family hatchbacks. On Gixer's car - I drove it about a mile at one of the Ashridge meets - plain dangerous. Dangerous in that you cannot keep it between the verge and the centre white line. Slap on my Dunlop SP9000 to test, and its fine. No doubt in my mind, based on my experiences of that tyre on an Omega with a proven "good enough" setup on the chassis, the tyre is simply unsuitable. No idea why, despite spending much time try to find comparisons with other unsuitable tyres.
My own Elite, shod last September with £700 worth of SC5, another tyre that Golf owners rave about, utterly shite from the outset, similar problem to the Falkens, but apparent immediately, not after 1000 miles or so. Fortuantely a short lived mistake, as the fronts came off at 3.5k, because they were shot. The car wasn't even driven hard, because it was too unpredictable. Rears still one, but about spent. Again, no doubt in my mind based on my experiences of the tyres on an Omega that they are entirely unsuitable. Dangerous in fact.
I know Lizzie loves Pirelli. Having used P6000s on Mk2 Astras, Rovers and Omegas, I'd say that the tyre wasn't great, due to low levels of grip, and not a great life. However, on one of our Rovers, the little 25 we owned from new for 12 years, the P6000 was brilliant. Stunning. Tried other brands, such as Goodyear, and the car was rubbish, go back to P6000s and the car was brilliant again. Clearly the tyre worked well on the 25, but not on anything else I've put them on. Why? Who knows.
Tyre tests done on other cars means nothing to us OOFers.
Oh, and for the record, stopping an Omega with A rated wet stopping SC5s in the rain is buttock clenching. Try to turn in the rain, don't bother with the big round thing in front of you.
I'm sure that your paunch is no worse than many here at OOF, Mr TB. :)
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for many of OOFers may be..
For all OOFers, as its not relevent
but for me still meaningful..
Only if you have similar car to what its tested on.
I dont find it necessary to repeat old discussions.. :)
Whatever works for you.
My goal here is to ensure members get all the correct advice about their Omegas. I'd hate for anyone else to go through what I went through with the SC5s, when all the tyre tests suggested what great tyres they are.
I was (and still am to an extent) stuck with them due to financial constraints - I can't afford £700 on a tyre that lasts 3.5k on the front, and about 5k on the rear - that makes tyre costs, per mile, the same as fuel.
I'd be hurt and personally devastated if I found another member had also wasted that sort of money on tyres based on a review posted by a member that was either inaccurate or irrelevent.
Ok.. I and Gixer (may be) will shut up ;D and all you will get is a bunch of cheapo chinese brands ;D ;D
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On OOF, we have the benefit of a vast amount of personal experience of tyres on Omegas. We have also proved quite categorically that tyre tests on other cars is completely irrelevent.
The Falkens on Gixer's car, for example, a very well regarded tyre on family hatchbacks. On Gixer's car - I drove it about a mile at one of the Ashridge meets - plain dangerous. Dangerous in that you cannot keep it between the verge and the centre white line. Slap on my Dunlop SP9000 to test, and its fine. No doubt in my mind, based on my experiences of that tyre on an Omega with a proven "good enough" setup on the chassis, the tyre is simply unsuitable. No idea why, despite spending much time try to find comparisons with other unsuitable tyres.
My own Elite, shod last September with £700 worth of SC5, another tyre that Golf owners rave about, utterly shite from the outset, similar problem to the Falkens, but apparent immediately, not after 1000 miles or so. Fortuantely a short lived mistake, as the fronts came off at 3.5k, because they were shot. The car wasn't even driven hard, because it was too unpredictable. Rears still one, but about spent. Again, no doubt in my mind based on my experiences of the tyres on an Omega that they are entirely unsuitable. Dangerous in fact.
I know Lizzie loves Pirelli. Having used P6000s on Mk2 Astras, Rovers and Omegas, I'd say that the tyre wasn't great, due to low levels of grip, and not a great life. However, on one of our Rovers, the little 25 we owned from new for 12 years, the P6000 was brilliant. Stunning. Tried other brands, such as Goodyear, and the car was rubbish, go back to P6000s and the car was brilliant again. Clearly the tyre worked well on the 25, but not on anything else I've put them on. Why? Who knows.
Tyre tests done on other cars means nothing to us OOFers.
Oh, and for the record, stopping an Omega with A rated wet stopping SC5s in the rain is buttock clenching. Try to turn in the rain, don't bother with the big round thing in front of you.
TB I think we are going to have to politely differ on this one. My main car for 15 years and well over 200,000 miles has been an omega. I have never had tramlining to speak of. My personal experience is that the mig is not special as regards tyres, its got 4, it puts weight on them when braking like any other car. Some tyres are a lot better than others but personally I doubt the car is a major factor in that.
What I think you are suggesting is already done - a website where people can put their personal experience of tyres up, http://www.tyretest.com/ (http://www.tyretest.com/). For me that site is a waste of time - there are no repeatable measurments, it is all opinion. Your addition (which in my views makes it even more subjective) is to personalise it not just to the person but also to the exact type of car.
As to the abuse well I have come to accept that from some people, it doesn't bother me anymore you just have to treat it as ignorant banter. I now find it quite amusing in fact. :)
One thing that may be of concern though is the law of defamation . To describe a tyre from a top rated manufactuer as shit and present that as fact is defamatory. You and this forum may get sued by a tyre company. You would need to prove in court that you are correct and the manufacturer and the most respected tyre reviewing motor magazine is wrong. (The Continental ContiSportContact 5 came top:
http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=1&hl=en&ie=UTF8&prev=_t&rurl=translate.google.co.uk&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http://www.adac.de/infotestrat/tests/reifen/sommerreifen/2013_Sommerreifen_Test_225_45_R17.aspx%3FComponentId%3D160352%26SourcePageId%3D31821&usg=ALkJrhimkd8N1389lTZZj3Vql_1ESBw_LA (http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=1&hl=en&ie=UTF8&prev=_t&rurl=translate.google.co.uk&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http://www.adac.de/infotestrat/tests/reifen/sommerreifen/2013_Sommerreifen_Test_225_45_R17.aspx%3FComponentId%3D160352%26SourcePageId%3D31821&usg=ALkJrhimkd8N1389lTZZj3Vql_1ESBw_LA) )
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and all you will get is a bunch of cheapo chinese brands ;D ;D
Not if we cooperate properly on what our experiences are on tyres fitted to Omegas :y
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For example, the Runways aren't bad. Not the best, but a good compromise between grip, stability and price.
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The Sport Contact you refer to is not an Omega size. Might have been the bees knees on a 4wd Audi (or Octavia), doesn't prove anything other than it worked well on the car used in the test ::)
Who sponsored the test btw ::)
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For example, the Runways aren't bad. Not the best, but a good compromise between grip, stability and price.
I lost the count while counting the list ;D :y
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TB I think we are going to have to politely differ on this one. My main car for 15 years and well over 200,000 miles has been an omega. I have never had tramlining to speak of. My personal experience is that the mig is not special as regards tyres, its got 4, it puts weight on them when braking like any other car. Some tyres are a lot better than others but personally I doubt the car is a major factor in that.
Not dissimilar to my MV6. Only time its had a tramline/stability/call it what you like issue is when I swapped the wheels between my Omegas to prove it was the SC5s that were the problem. Even Mrs TB complained.
What I think you are suggesting is already done - a website where people can put their personal experience of tyres up, http://www.tyretest.com/ (http://www.tyretest.com/). For me that site is a waste of time
Couldn't agree more, but for different reasons, as I described in a previous post
To describe a tyre from a top rated manufactuer as shit
And dangerous. You forgot dangerous. Have you driven a well set up Omega shod on SC5s? If so, lets discuss, and see if we can work out why they worked for you :y
the most respected tyre reviewing motor magazine is wrong. (The Continental ContiSportContact 5 came top:
http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=1&hl=en&ie=UTF8&prev=_t&rurl=translate.google.co.uk&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http://www.adac.de/infotestrat/tests/reifen/sommerreifen/2013_Sommerreifen_Test_225_45_R17.aspx%3FComponentId%3D160352%26SourcePageId%3D31821&usg=ALkJrhimkd8N1389lTZZj3Vql_1ESBw_LA (http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=1&hl=en&ie=UTF8&prev=_t&rurl=translate.google.co.uk&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http://www.adac.de/infotestrat/tests/reifen/sommerreifen/2013_Sommerreifen_Test_225_45_R17.aspx%3FComponentId%3D160352%26SourcePageId%3D31821&usg=ALkJrhimkd8N1389lTZZj3Vql_1ESBw_LA) )
Which absolutely, categorically shows why tyre reviews are not relevent unless its on the same - or very similar - chassis ;)
The 4 I had had a stability/tramline/call it what you want problem that meant at motorway speeds, it was a white knuckle ride just trying to keep it in lane - dare take your eyes off the road, such as checking rear view mirror, and you felt you were taking your life in your hands. Under braking, the car pulled like the wishbone bolts were loose (which I have suffered before, hence recognising the signs), but alas, they were always correctly torqued. Try to pull away briskly (I work in Milton Keynes, the roundabouts at rush hour can require a bootful) will light up the rears until the TC cuts the engine (the car is an auto, and this is in the dry). Corners fair little better.
I suspected a faulty tyre(s), but no amount of swapping left to right, front to rear, ever overcame it. Having 2 Omegas allows for swapping between cars, and the fault always moved with the tyres, whether I swapped all 4, or just 2.
Before the SC5s, I had some real shite on there, a real Heinz 57 of Sunew, Diamondback and 2 other ditchfinders whose names currently escape me. These budget tyres were better in every single respect than the SC5s that replaced them. I thenk that shows how poor these tyres were on my Omegas. I'm sure the SC5 is a great tyre on some cars, mostly like on most cars. BUT on the Omega, they are simply unsuitable.
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nogrip ;D
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Its a well known fact that certain brands of tyre do not work on certain cars yet perform well on other marques - there are historical instances of this going back to the days of G800s. For any body to call a brand of tyre shit based only on their experience on Omegas is just stupid - for example Falkens are not a shit tyre, just unsuited to the Omega chassis based on the practical experience of some members, but are well suited to other makes of car (again from practical experiences).
Unfortunately there is a degree of tunnel vision exhibited by some members - I know its an Omega forum, and I agree that Omegas were great cars in their day, but times change, and the rather pedantic posts that all one manufacturers tyres are shit are wrong, and should perhaps be edited out by admins, or clarified as Omega specific, rather than a generalisation.
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Its a well known fact that certain brands of tyre do not work on certain cars yet perform well on other marques - there are historical instances of this going back to the days of G800s. For any body to call a brand of tyre shit based only on their experience on Omegas is just stupid - for example Falkens are not a shit tyre, just unsuited to the Omega chassis based on the practical experience of some members, but are well suited to other makes of car (again from practical experiences).
Unfortunately there is a degree of tunnel vision exhibited by some members - I know its an Omega forum, and I agree that Omegas were great cars in their day, but times change, and the rather pedantic posts that all one manufacturers tyres are shit are wrong, and should perhaps be edited out by admins, or clarified as Omega specific, rather than a generalisation.
I may have misread this thread, but I have had the impression throughout that the discussion has been about the best tyres on OMEGAS, I have never read into any post in the thread that a named tyre will be rubbish on all cars. Most contributors are posting their PERSONAL experiences on their Omegas, exactly the sort of opinion that I value and welcome, and why I am now running Enduros, and am very satisfied. Dbug, I see that you are now driving a Jaguar, so your contribution of an opinion on suitable tyres for Omegas is, to say the least, somewhat dubious:y
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we where doing so well
No change there then. ::)
yep.. agreed.. until you start provocation as usual..
and seems really no change.. ::)
Here we go got the front seat booked. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Its a well known fact that certain brands of tyre do not work on certain cars yet perform well on other marques - there are historical instances of this going back to the days of G800s. For any body to call a brand of tyre shit based only on their experience on Omegas is just stupid - for example Falkens are not a shit tyre, just unsuited to the Omega chassis based on the practical experience of some members, but are well suited to other makes of car (again from practical experiences).
Unfortunately there is a degree of tunnel vision exhibited by some members - I know its an Omega forum, and I agree that Omegas were great cars in their day, but times change, and the rather pedantic posts that all one manufacturers tyres are shit are wrong, and should perhaps be edited out by admins, or clarified as Omega specific, rather than a generalisation.
I may have misread this thread, but I have had the impression throughout that the discussion has been about the best tyres on OMEGAS, I have never read into any post in the thread that a named tyre will be rubbish on all cars. Most contributors are posting their PERSONAL experiences on their Omegas, exactly the sort of opinion that I value and welcome, and why I am now running Enduros, and am very satisfied. Dbug, I see that you are now driving a Jaguar, so your contribution of an opinion on suitable tyres for Omegas is, to say the least, somewhat dubious:y
Wrong, I have owned or driven (company cars) a number of Omegas over the years, and still run an '03 Omega Estate. I have also been involved in the formulation and testing of both racing and road tyres for a well known tyre manufacturer, and a well known racing car manufacturer. By the way I run Enduros on the Estate - perhaps you should have read all the posts before posting your inappropriate comments >:(
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Looks like more popcorn is needed :D :D :D
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for many of OOFers may be..
For all OOFers, as its not relevent
but for me still meaningful..
Only if you have similar car to what its tested on.
I dont find it necessary to repeat old discussions.. :)
Whatever works for you.
My goal here is to ensure members get all the correct advice about their Omegas. I'd hate for anyone else to go through what I went through with the SC5s, when all the tyre tests suggested what great tyres they are.
I was (and still am to an extent) stuck with them due to financial constraints - I can't afford £700 on a tyre that lasts 3.5k on the front, and about 5k on the rear - that makes tyre costs, per mile, the same as fuel.
I'd be hurt and personally devastated if I found another member had also wasted that sort of money on tyres based on a review posted by a member that was either inaccurate or irrelevent.
Ok.. I and Gixer (may be) will shut up ;D and all you will get is a bunch of cheapo chinese brands ;D ;D
Surely it doesn't matter if they are "cheapo chinese brands" if the omega drives well on them it has been proven by TB that a expensive GERMAN brand is total shite, what matters here is as the op asks which is best for the omega, albeit cheap or expensive. ::) :y
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In the case of Gixer's Falkens (can't remember if they were 452 or 912), I have a theory that they were overdriven, which caused something to happen to them. chrisgixer is quite a quick driver, placing heavy demands on the tyres. As I understand it, the problem didn't show up until the tyres had covered a few thousand miles. That said, I know Dunlop had the tyres back for checking, and could find no defect.
Now tunnie had Falkens (again, cant remember if 452 or 912), and never complained. He was kind enough to lend them to me when my SC5s were shot. This were right on the legal limit (so better than my 3.5k SC5s ;D), and I found them to be OK. Not fantastic, but good enough. Tunnie drives, well, "very economically", and places minimal demands on his tyres. In fact, as long as they will pass an MOT, he doesn't care if they are rubber, plastic or concrete. Grip is unimportant.
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In the case of Gixer's Falkens (can't remember if they were 452 or 912), I have a theory that they were overdriven, which caused something to happen to them. chrisgixer is quite a quick driver, placing heavy demands on the tyres. As I understand it, the problem didn't show up until the tyres had covered a few thousand miles. That said, I know Dunlop had the tyres back for checking, and could find no defect.
Now tunnie had Falkens (again, cant remember if 452 or 912), and never complained. He was kind enough to lend them to me when my SC5s were shot. This were right on the legal limit (so better than my 3.5k SC5s ;D), and I found them to be OK. Not fantastic, but good enough. Tunnie drives, well, "very economically", and places minimal demands on his tyres. In fact, as long as they will pass an MOT, he doesn't care if they are rubber, plastic or concrete. Grip is unimportant.
:D ;D ;D
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for many of OOFers may be..
For all OOFers, as its not relevent
but for me still meaningful..
Only if you have similar car to what its tested on.
I dont find it necessary to repeat old discussions.. :)
Whatever works for you.
My goal here is to ensure members get all the correct advice about their Omegas. I'd hate for anyone else to go through what I went through with the SC5s, when all the tyre tests suggested what great tyres they are.
I was (and still am to an extent) stuck with them due to financial constraints - I can't afford £700 on a tyre that lasts 3.5k on the front, and about 5k on the rear - that makes tyre costs, per mile, the same as fuel.
I'd be hurt and personally devastated if I found another member had also wasted that sort of money on tyres based on a review posted by a member that was either inaccurate or irrelevent.
Ok.. I and Gixer (may be) will shut up ;D and all you will get is a bunch of cheapo chinese brands ;D ;D
Surely it doesn't matter if they are "cheapo chinese brands" if the omega drives well on them it has been proven by TB that a expensive GERMAN brand is total shite, what matters here is as the op asks which is best for the omega, albeit cheap or expensive. ::) :y
Kevin, until critical conditions arise you may not see a difference between expensive and cheapo brands.. for a usual daily driving at slow speeds in crowded traffic bumper to bumper even slicks may do the job.. but when temperatures drop or the rain or snow starts to fall and you are not in a start stop traffic things will start to change and dangers will start to show their face.. at that point I choose to believe physical measured tests.. on whatever car.. at least thats a starting point.. otherwise you have nothing in your hand.. and if someone believes that cheapos will perform similiar to expensive brands its his/her belief/decision..
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In the case of Gixer's Falkens (can't remember if they were 452 or 912), I have a theory that they were overdriven, which caused something to happen to them. chrisgixer is quite a quick driver, placing heavy demands on the tyres. As I understand it, the problem didn't show up until the tyres had covered a few thousand miles. That said, I know Dunlop had the tyres back for checking, and could find no defect.
Now tunnie had Falkens (again, cant remember if 452 or 912), and never complained. He was kind enough to lend them to me when my SC5s were shot. This were right on the legal limit (so better than my 3.5k SC5s ;D), and I found them to be OK. Not fantastic, but good enough. Tunnie drives, well, "very economically", and places minimal demands on his tyres. In fact, as long as they will pass an MOT, he doesn't care if they are rubber, plastic or concrete. Grip is unimportant.
Understand what you are saying Jaime - guess you are now adding another variable - driving style. As you intimate one tyre brand may well be suitable for the sedate driver, but not for the press on type (my own style)
Should we be asking anyone who asks for advice about tyres for Omegas to advise their driving style, as it obviously makes a difference. Maybe even Wa*li ditchfinders would be ok for the guy that sticks to 40mph ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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The gaping hole in that observation Cem is that people have real world experience of various tyres that far exceeds the limitations of a controlled test. A chasm that increases exponentially when the test vehicle and tested tyre sizes are by and large both completely different from the Omega and the tyre sizes fitted to it.
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One brand in particular I've found good on both the 2.2 and 3.2 Omega's on the rear can't comment on the front but on the rear they have been perfect for grip, even ware, holding pressure, handling, etc.. Dunlop SP Sport 01 got them used some 16months ago only because they came with the wheels I bought 234/45/17 early FL slab alloys, Getting close to legal limit now but have been happy with them.. Just my 10 pence worth :-X
Just a thought, Do different style of alloys affect the handling, ware, grip etc.. ?. For example FL early Elite 17s and Later Elite/MV6 17s ... FL CD 16s and CDX 16s ???
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The gaping hole in that observation Cem is that people have real world experience of various tyres that far exceeds the limitations of a controlled test. A chasm that increases exponentially when the test vehicle and tested tyre sizes are by and large both completely different from the Omega and the tyre sizes fitted to it.
the point you are missing is I use tests as a starting point.. I choose the tyre first depending on several parameters than I purchase it , try it and then recommend here.. and the tests which I shared here dont mean you have to go and buy them directly
however, if you wish you may refer to old discussions and see what I have written..
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Its a well known fact that certain brands of tyre do not work on certain cars yet perform well on other marques - there are historical instances of this going back to the days of G800s. For any body to call a brand of tyre shit based only on their experience on Omegas is just stupid - for example Falkens are not a shit tyre, just unsuited to the Omega chassis based on the practical experience of some members, but are well suited to other makes of car (again from practical experiences).
Unfortunately there is a degree of tunnel vision exhibited by some members - I know its an Omega forum, and I agree that Omegas were great cars in their day, but times change, and the rather pedantic posts that all one manufacturers tyres are shit are wrong, and should perhaps be edited out by admins, or clarified as Omega specific, rather than a generalisation.
Agreed. You seem to have started talking sense lately? (Very tongue in cheek remark) ;D
I did say they are shit. And they are... As its an omega site specific to omegas I did omit they are ok on smaller cars apparently. Bigdodds(?) I think it was, had them on the his golf, so fitted them to his omega.
Iirc he found similar poor results on his omega with Falkens.
I also made similar mistakes. Another being, recommending them as reasonable before I had experience of them throughout the tyres life. As I'm sure you know, and I have learned, half a tyre life is no measure of its total capability, as the Falkens where soft and comfy, as opposed to taught and accurate from the outset.
Little did I know how badly they would degrade.
Cem and dbdb.
My whole reason for being here is to TRY to insure both mine and TB's experiences with Falkens and Sc5 are never allowed to be repeated by another member.
Unless you guys have experienced the disaster of spending between £4-700 on tyres only for the cars handling to be utterly destroyed, I do find it difficult to see how ANY other tyre other than those of your personal experience can be recommended to anyone else. Be that on here or to personal aquaintances etc ...?
Just to try and add some perspective in the face of this problem.
A good handling tyre.
As some if those members in the "approved tyre" list will have seen, as they witnessed the bit if road I mean, gives one or two steering corrections over the distance if that straight road at 40mph.
A tyre that tram lines.
10-15 corrections on same road at same speed.
Pics up over banding, dips, ruts, and tram lines in the road. (Tram lines being tyre tracks or wear marks in the road where all road users drive, the road is basickly worn and in poor condition and the car reacts in varrying degrees to that wear on the road)
A bad handling tyre. (No directional stability)
Constant correction continually. With no end in sight, lost count through fear and laughter.
I hope nobody ever pays good money for tyre like these. Basickly they refuse to go straight. Ever. Constant correction at the steering wheel with no obvious reason for it. The road, unlike with tram lining tyres, can be in perfect condition, no imperfections to speak of that are visible to the driver, no reason at all for the instability as far as the road is concerned.
Then add in a bumpy B road, such as the one at Ashridge, and you wouldn't believe a car could spend do much time going sideways to go forward. Mrs TB said it feels like there's no grip! Because the car is moving around so much. It's like standing on a half inflated football. No matter what you do your foot wants to roll off the ball. It's like there's a unicycle on each corner of the car, each wheel being totally independant of the other, the chassis, and input from the driver who is left petrified of exceding even sedate speeds for fear if running off the road.
Seriously it's that bad.
The only other tyre I've encountered to do this was completely worn out. Michelin primacy. Both edges of both front tyres where worn away, the rears where flat in the middle. Typical omega wear times 20. The tyre rolled off every high spot in the road at the front, and the outside edges grabbed at every high spot at the rear. Result, appalling handling.
Yet the sc5 and Falkens did this from brand new, although the Falkens less so but degraded very quickly and where binned at half worn.
I have made the mistake of recommending Falkens on here, as a quiet and comfortable tyre as a first impression. Hence I always say not to advise on a tyre until you've binned it.
Your right, I am not an expert, I have a lot to learn. As we ALL do. But standing in the way of that experience above, especially in a manor that implies that others should ignore it to thier personal cost, is NEVER going to sit well with me I'm afraid.
I make no appologies for that, what so ever!
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Wheel, and therefore tyre, size have a bearing on behaviour, but there will be no difference in the perfomance of a specific tyre on any Omega wheel of the same size, so in facelift terms... GLS, CD and CDX wheels all the same, any MV6/Elite wheel the same :y
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Agreed. You seem to have started talking sense lately? (Very tongue in cheek remark) ;D
Always spoke sense Gixer - guess you didn't understand sense until recently ;) (Very tongue in cheek remark) :P
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In the case of Gixer's Falkens (can't remember if they were 452 or 912), I have a theory that they were overdriven, which caused something to happen to them. chrisgixer is quite a quick driver, placing heavy demands on the tyres. As I understand it, the problem didn't show up until the tyres had covered a few thousand miles. That said, I know Dunlop had the tyres back for checking, and could find no defect.
Now tunnie had Falkens (again, cant remember if 452 or 912), and never complained. He was kind enough to lend them to me when my SC5s were shot. This were right on the legal limit (so better than my 3.5k SC5s ;D), and I found them to be OK. Not fantastic, but good enough. Tunnie drives, well, "very economically", and places minimal demands on his tyres. In fact, as long as they will pass an MOT, he doesn't care if they are rubber, plastic or concrete. Grip is unimportant.
Understand what you are saying Jaime - guess you are now adding another variable - driving style. As you intimate one tyre brand may well be suitable for the sedate driver, but not for the press on type (my own style)
Should we be asking anyone who asks for advice about tyres for Omegas to advise their driving style, as it obviously makes a difference. Maybe even Wa*li ditchfinders would be ok for the guy that sticks to 40mph ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Absolutely yes.
I did say the Falkens appear borderline on the omega.
That is to say, a sedate driver pootling around at 40mph will probably notice the comfortable ride and quietness before the handling rears it head.
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The gaping hole in that observation Cem is that people have real world experience of various tyres that far exceeds the limitations of a controlled test. A chasm that increases exponentially when the test vehicle and tested tyre sizes are by and large both completely different from the Omega and the tyre sizes fitted to it.
the point you are missing is I use tests as a starting point.. I choose the tyre first depending on several parameters than I purchase it , try it and then recommend here.. and the tests which I shared here dont mean you have to go and buy them directly
however, if you wish you may refer to old discussions and see what I have written..
Cem-pleeeease move on and try to take in the problem we all want to avoid. Bad handling tyres on the OMEGA.
As we agreed so long ago, there are NO tyre tests on the omega with tyres in production today. None.
We can't include tyre tests as useful info here. We just can't. Unless we csn find a similar chassis. S class maybe? Or whatever the similar Merc model is. It's similar weight, geometry, suspension design and wheel size... Iirc?
Would that be the nearest modern equivalent?
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The gaping hole in that observation Cem is that people have real world experience of various tyres that far exceeds the limitations of a controlled test. A chasm that increases exponentially when the test vehicle and tested tyre sizes are by and large both completely different from the Omega and the tyre sizes fitted to it.
the point you are missing is I use tests as a starting point.. I choose the tyre first depending on several parameters than I purchase it , try it and then recommend here.. and the tests which I shared here dont mean you have to go and buy them directly
however, if you wish you may refer to old discussions and see what I have written..
Cem-pleeeease move on and try to take in the problem we all want to avoid. Bad handling tyres on the OMEGA.
As we agreed so long ago, there are NO tyre tests on the omega with tyres in production today. None.
We can't include tyre tests as useful info here. We just can't. Unless we csn find a similar chassis. S class maybe? Or whatever the similar Merc model is. It's similar weight, geometry, suspension design and wheel size... Iirc?
Would that be the nearest modern equivalent?
as far as I know you were planning to test your list with OOFers some time ago ::)
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The gaping hole in that observation Cem is that people have real world experience of various tyres that far exceeds the limitations of a controlled test. A chasm that increases exponentially when the test vehicle and tested tyre sizes are by and large both completely different from the Omega and the tyre sizes fitted to it.
the point you are missing is I use tests as a starting point.. I choose the tyre first depending on several parameters than I purchase it , try it and then recommend here.. and the tests which I shared here dont mean you have to go and buy them directly
however, if you wish you may refer to old discussions and see what I have written..
Yet you preach those tests results as gospel inspite of the flaws within them ::)
Please share what other parameters you use to choose your tyres... Although I strongly suspect they are test results drawn by testing non Omega sizes on anything but an Omega ::)
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For fluck sake, a tyre is a tyre ::) :-X ;)
Will always go around in circles, one mans "cracking" tyre, is another mans ditch finder.
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Tunnie, coat, door ;D
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The gaping hole in that observation Cem is that people have real world experience of various tyres that far exceeds the limitations of a controlled test. A chasm that increases exponentially when the test vehicle and tested tyre sizes are by and large both completely different from the Omega and the tyre sizes fitted to it.
the point you are missing is I use tests as a starting point.. I choose the tyre first depending on several parameters than I purchase it , try it and then recommend here.. and the tests which I shared here dont mean you have to go and buy them directly
however, if you wish you may refer to old discussions and see what I have written..
Yet you preach those tests results as gospel inspite of the flaws within them ::)
Please share what other parameters you use to choose your tyres... Although I strongly suspect they are test results drawn by testing non Omega sizes on anything but an Omega ::)
monthly I purchase several sets for friends if I'm here (some are omegas) .. and I dont see anyone complaining yet..
and I think I have shared enough pages during discussions.. so I see no point to continue this debate..
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by the way what was the count of your famous Enduro ;D
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So you read the tests. Then based on the results, supply tyres to your friends. And assuming they don't openly complain in the face of this generosity, you then consider a tyre to be worthy of recommendation.
Unless of course, I have missed something :-\
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For fluck sake, a tyre is a tyre ::) :-X ;)
Will always go around in circles, one mans "cracking" tyre, is another mans ditch finder.
Recommending Wanli's now eh Tuns ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;)
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For fluck sake, a tyre is a tyre ::) :-X ;)
Will always go around in circles, one mans "cracking" tyre, is another mans ditch finder.
Recommending Wanli's now eh Tuns ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;)
Well they haven't worn out yet ;D
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So you read the tests. Then based on the results, supply tyres to your friends. And assuming they don't openly complain in the face of this generosity, you then consider a tyre to be worthy of recommendation.
Unless of course, I have missed something :-\
my friends pay money for those tyres.. if they face a problem that will reflect to me sooner or later.. remember I didnt start helping people yesterday ;)
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Agreed. You seem to have started talking sense lately? (Very tongue in cheek remark) ;D
Always spoke sense Gixer - guess you didn't understand sense until recently ;) (Very tongue in cheek remark) :P
Don't be upset though Gixer - your new best friend "Jedi master" will be along later to disagree with all of us ;D ;D ;D ;D
Should make you feel wanted ;D ;D ;D ;D ;)
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By the way Al you didnt tell us the test order for your Enduro!
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So you read the tests. Then based on the results, supply tyres to your friends. And assuming they don't openly complain in the face of this generosity, you then consider a tyre to be worthy of recommendation.
Unless of course, I have missed something :-\
my friends pay money for those tyres.. if they face a problem that will reflect to me sooner or later.. remember I didnt start helping people yesterday ;)
Until you've had problems you've learned nothing, Cem.
Time and time again, still no acceptance of the problem. Although... Your not the first, it is difficult to believe.
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In the case of Gixer's Falkens (can't remember if they were 452 or 912), I have a theory that they were overdriven, which caused something to happen to them.
We might be getting somewhere there.. Might also apply to SC5s? .. although they were sh1te from day 1 with no hard driving? None at all? ;)
You overheat them once or twice, either the surface rubber hardens permanently, or something in the tyre structure weakens, leading to a tyre that will never perform well. Other tyres handle the heat better, don't get as hot under the same conditions, or dissipate the heat better. SC5 are a fuel economy tyre, IIRC, which probably means less surface area on the road, so the rubber is stressed further, and has less surface to transfer heat to the road.
Smaller car simply can't get enough heat into the tyres?
I can't believe that there's something inherent in the Omega's chassis that makes the tyres perform quite as badly as you describe. Maybe they'd be better in a car with double wishbones, with less weight? My money is on them being sh1te full stop, engineered to get good EU ratings, or damaged by to6 much car.
It's irrelevant, because who, having read your accounts, would risk fitting SC5s to any car, given their cost?
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By the way Al you didnt tell us the test order for your Enduro!
Of the budget and mid range tyres on the list at the beginning of this thread, the Runway Enduro is one of the best by all accounts. Those accounts being, dbug, Taxi Al, and later Kevin Wood, and briefly early on myself.
I probably shouldn't mention "myself" in that list as it will be red rag to a bull and opposed to score points, no doubt with no experience again. ::)
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So you read the tests. Then based on the results, supply tyres to your friends. And assuming they don't openly complain in the face of this generosity, you then consider a tyre to be worthy of recommendation.
Unless of course, I have missed something :-\
my friends pay money for those tyres.. if they face a problem that will reflect to me sooner or later.. remember I didnt start helping people yesterday ;)
Until you've had problems you've learned nothing, Cem.
Time and time again, still no acceptance of the problem. Although... Your not the first, it is difficult to believe.
I had problems .. and mostly with the geometry centers.. rarely the car .. and never with the tyres.. but I must confess I never accept something cheaper than kumho..
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By the way Al you didnt tell us the test order for your Enduro!
Of the budget and mid range tyres on the list at the beginning of this thread, the Runway Enduro is one of the best by all accounts. Those accounts being, dbug, Taxi Al, and later Kevin Wood, and briefly early on myself.
I probably shouldn't mention "myself" in that list as it will be red rag to a bull and opposed to score points, no doubt with no experience again. ::)
ok then .. let me tell .. 40 th ;D
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So you read the tests. Then based on the results, supply tyres to your friends. And assuming they don't openly complain in the face of this generosity, you then consider a tyre to be worthy of recommendation.
Unless of course, I have missed something :-\
my friends pay money for those tyres.. if they face a problem that will reflect to me sooner or later.. remember I didnt start helping people yesterday ;)
Until you've had problems you've learned nothing, Cem.
Time and time again, still no acceptance of the problem. Although... Your not the first, it is difficult to believe.
I had problems .. and mostly with the geometry centers.. rarely the car .. and never with the tyres.. but I must confess I never accept something cheaper than kumho..
Could you list the ones you have tried? :)
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By the way Al you didnt tell us the test order for your Enduro!
Of the budget and mid range tyres on the list at the beginning of this thread, the Runway Enduro is one of the best by all accounts. Those accounts being, dbug, Taxi Al, and later Kevin Wood, and briefly early on myself.
I probably shouldn't mention "myself" in that list as it will be red rag to a bull and opposed to score points, no doubt with no experience again. ::)
ok then .. let me tell .. 40 th ;D
On a golf, I believe they may well be 40th, but I have no experience of that. :)
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So you read the tests. Then based on the results, supply tyres to your friends. And assuming they don't openly complain in the face of this generosity, you then consider a tyre to be worthy of recommendation.
Unless of course, I have missed something :-\
my friends pay money for those tyres.. if they face a problem that will reflect to me sooner or later.. remember I didnt start helping people yesterday ;)
Until you've had problems you've learned nothing, Cem.
Time and time again, still no acceptance of the problem. Although... Your not the first, it is difficult to believe.
I had problems .. and mostly with the geometry centers.. rarely the car .. and never with the tyres.. but I must confess I never accept something cheaper than kumho..
Could you list the ones you have tried? :)
what ? ???
you expect me to list the all tyres that I have purchased till midnight.. ;D for what ?
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Its a well known fact that certain brands of tyre do not work on certain cars yet perform well on other marques - there are historical instances of this going back to the days of G800s. For any body to call a brand of tyre shit based only on their experience on Omegas is just stupid - for example Falkens are not a shit tyre, just unsuited to the Omega chassis based on the practical experience of some members, but are well suited to other makes of car (again from practical experiences).
Unfortunately there is a degree of tunnel vision exhibited by some members - I know its an Omega forum, and I agree that Omegas were great cars in their day, but times change, and the rather pedantic posts that all one manufacturers tyres are shit are wrong, and should perhaps be edited out by admins, or clarified as Omega specific, rather than a generalisation.
I may have misread this thread, but I have had the impression throughout that the discussion has been about the best tyres on OMEGAS, I have never read into any post in the thread that a named tyre will be rubbish on all cars. Most contributors are posting their PERSONAL experiences on their Omegas, exactly the sort of opinion that I value and welcome, and why I am now running Enduros, and am very satisfied. Dbug, I see that you are now driving a Jaguar, so your contribution of an opinion on suitable tyres for Omegas is, to say the least, somewhat dubious:y
Wrong, I have owned or driven (company cars) a number of Omegas over the years, and still run an '03 Omega Estate. I have also been involved in the formulation and testing of both racing and road tyres for a well known tyre manufacturer, and a well known racing car manufacturer. By the way I run Enduros on the Estate - perhaps you should have read all the posts before posting your inappropriate comments >:(
My apologies, I had obviously missed that, and I bow to your obviously wider experience, however I still welcome individual comments on their own experiences of tyres on Omegas, which is what I am interested in. :y
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yep.. ;D
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By the way Al you didnt tell us the test order for your Enduro!
Of the budget and mid range tyres on the list at the beginning of this thread, the Runway Enduro is one of the best by all accounts. Those accounts being, dbug, Taxi Al, and later Kevin Wood, and briefly early on myself.
I probably shouldn't mention "myself" in that list as it will be red rag to a bull and opposed to score points, no doubt with no experience again. ::)
Confirm running Enduros on 3 Omegas - old Elite saloon, old Elite Estate and current '03 Estate. On old Elites ran them from new till barely legal - no adverse issues. Also ran Accelera Alphas on both the Elites, new 'til had it - no adverse issues.
On company Omegas (as cost not mine), never really looked at the tyres - they were always replaced with same tyre as supplied new. Company omegas covered around 60K per annum (about 12K of that in mainland Europe), and were replaced around 100K-120K. Never had tyre issues on company Omegas. (or big Rovers, or E series Mercs etc)
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Far canal ::),I'm sure we've been here before :-X
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In the case of Gixer's Falkens (can't remember if they were 452 or 912), I have a theory that they were overdriven, which caused something to happen to them.
We might be getting somewhere there.. Might also apply to SC5s? .. although they were sh1te from day 1 with no hard driving? None at all? ;)
You overheat them once or twice, either the surface rubber hardens permanently, or something in the tyre structure weakens, leading to a tyre that will never perform well. Other tyres handle the heat better, don't get as hot under the same conditions, or dissipate the heat better. SC5 are a fuel economy tyre, IIRC, which probably means less surface area on the road, so the rubber is stressed further, and has less surface to transfer heat to the road.
Smaller car simply can't get enough heat into the tyres?
I can't believe that there's something inherent in the Omega's chassis that makes the tyres perform quite as badly as you describe. Maybe they'd be better in a car with double wishbones, with less weight? My money is on them being sh1te full stop, engineered to get good EU ratings, or damaged by to6 much car.
It's irrelevant, because who, having read your accounts, would risk fitting SC5s to any car, given their cost?
Falkens where a tram lining tyre from new. As opposed to a bad handling tyre, which they later became.
Falkens are the danger though, given their more reachable price range.
I had 451/452/912. Yes, I couldn't believer the tyres could cause the problem either, at one stage. If you want to find out what makes a car Handel badly, and then Handel well trying to fix it, buy an Elite with worn out suspension/bushes/and FALKEN tyres...
...its becomes apparent what affects the car. ...and what doesn't.
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So you read the tests. Then based on the results, supply tyres to your friends. And assuming they don't openly complain in the face of this generosity, you then consider a tyre to be worthy of recommendation.
Unless of course, I have missed something :-\
my friends pay money for those tyres.. if they face a problem that will reflect to me sooner or later.. remember I didnt start helping people yesterday ;)
Until you've had problems you've learned nothing, Cem.
Time and time again, still no acceptance of the problem. Although... Your not the first, it is difficult to believe.
I had problems .. and mostly with the geometry centers.. rarely the car .. and never with the tyres.. but I must confess I never accept something cheaper than kumho..
Could you list the ones you have tried? :)
what ? ???
you expect me to list the all tyres that I have purchased till midnight.. ;D for what ?
Its an "omega" forum cem. So, contributing to first hand experience on tyres on your omega is useful. Apart from eagle f1, and Bridgestone potenza oo1, I don't recall any others on yours...? :)
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By the way Al you didnt tell us the test order for your Enduro!
Of the budget and mid range tyres on the list at the beginning of this thread, the Runway Enduro is one of the best by all accounts. Those accounts being, dbug, Taxi Al, and later Kevin Wood, and briefly early on myself.
I probably shouldn't mention "myself" in that list as it will be red rag to a bull and opposed to score points, no doubt with no experience again. ::)
ok then .. let me tell .. 40 th ;D
You might laugh. Have you tried them on an Omega?
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Far canal ::),I'm sure we've been here before :-X
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By the way Al you didnt tell us the test order for your Enduro!
Of the budget and mid range tyres on the list at the beginning of this thread, the Runway Enduro is one of the best by all accounts. Those accounts being, dbug, Taxi Al, and later Kevin Wood, and briefly early on myself.
I probably shouldn't mention "myself" in that list as it will be red rag to a bull and opposed to score points, no doubt with no experience again. ::)
ok then .. let me tell .. 40 th ;D
You might laugh. Have you tried them on an Omega?
honestly, I wouldnt purchase a 40 th order tyre.. :-\
even if its recommended
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By the way Al you didnt tell us the test order for your Enduro!
Of the budget and mid range tyres on the list at the beginning of this thread, the Runway Enduro is one of the best by all accounts. Those accounts being, dbug, Taxi Al, and later Kevin Wood, and briefly early on myself.
I probably shouldn't mention "myself" in that list as it will be red rag to a bull and opposed to score points, no doubt with no experience again. ::)
ok then .. let me tell .. 40 th ;D
You might laugh. Have you tried them on an Omega?
honestly, I wouldnt purchase a 40 th order tyre.. :-\
And the ones you have purchased?
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Alright, so not exactly tyre related as such because I know (as everyone doe)s that Tyres DO affect handling ability, but...........
With all this apparent expertise in vehicle handling, I cannot for one second believe anyone would remotely suggest that any Omega handles well. ;D
OK, the MV6 is pick of the bunch, but even that is absolutely terrible in comparison to other cars in the class.
I've been on cross-channel ferries which have better handling characteristics than an Omega. >:(
Thanks for reading,
Broomies Mate, on 4th Omega, and absolutely love them, even though they handle like shit (no matter what boots are fitted). :)
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By the way Al you didnt tell us the test order for your Enduro!
Of the budget and mid range tyres on the list at the beginning of this thread, the Runway Enduro is one of the best by all accounts. Those accounts being, dbug, Taxi Al, and later Kevin Wood, and briefly early on myself.
I probably shouldn't mention "myself" in that list as it will be red rag to a bull and opposed to score points, no doubt with no experience again. ::)
ok then .. let me tell .. 40 th ;D
You might laugh. Have you tried them on an Omega?
honestly, I wouldnt purchase a 40 th order tyre.. :-\
And the ones you have purchased?
never less than a top 10..
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Maybe it's because you don't know how to drive a proper rwd car and been brought up on fwd which drive totally different
That's my input done ;D
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Far canal ::),I'm sure we've been here before :-X
Unfortunately we have many a time Henry. ::) ::) ;D
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Personally, I've found the compiled list by Chris and other members very useful and will be fitting a set of tyres from those recommended when I replace them. At the moment the car is fitted with Avons, which I found fine with good wet weather grip, but they do wear out very quickly.
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Alright, so not exactly tyre related as such because I know (as everyone doe)s that Tyres DO affect handling ability, but...........
With all this apparent expertise in vehicle handling, I cannot for one second believe anyone would remotely suggest that any Omega handles well. ;D
OK, the MV6 is pick of the bunch, but even that is absolutely terrible in comparison to other cars in the class.
I've been on cross-channel ferries which have better handling characteristics than an Omega. >:(
Thanks for reading,
Broomies Mate, on 4th Omega, and absolutely love them, even though they handle like shit (no matter what boots are fitted). :)
No no, think of it as the complete opposite. The most basic, fit for purpose, simple thing you might expect of a tyre. Going in a straight line. No power, sat in traffic, following the car in front at 30/20mph. No steering input other than correction. Yet the car is all over the place.
Handling is a bit misleading to be fair as it implies wangling around. No, its the complete opposite. If you rolled the car down a hill in a straight line with nobody in it, the car would vear off and crash.
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Personally, I've found the compiled list by Chris and other members very useful and will be fitting a set of tyres from those recommended when I replace them. At the moment the car is fitted with Avons, which I found fine with good wet weather grip, but they do wear out very quickly.
That's what was intended Rods. Good to hear. :y
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By the way Al you didnt tell us the test order for your Enduro!
Of the budget and mid range tyres on the list at the beginning of this thread, the Runway Enduro is one of the best by all accounts. Those accounts being, dbug, Taxi Al, and later Kevin Wood, and briefly early on myself.
I probably shouldn't mention "myself" in that list as it will be red rag to a bull and opposed to score points, no doubt with no experience again. ::)
ok then .. let me tell .. 40 th ;D
You might laugh. Have you tried them on an Omega?
honestly, I wouldnt purchase a 40 th order tyre.. :-\
And the ones you have purchased?
never less than a top 10..
Ok good. Which ones? I grow more intrigued by the minute. :y
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Alright, so not exactly tyre related as such because I know (as everyone doe)s that Tyres DO affect handling ability, but...........
With all this apparent expertise in vehicle handling, I cannot for one second believe anyone would remotely suggest that any Omega handles well. ;D
OK, the MV6 is pick of the bunch, but even that is absolutely terrible in comparison to other cars in the class.
I've been on cross-channel ferries which have better handling characteristics than an Omega. >:(
Thanks for reading,
Broomies Mate, on 4th Omega, and absolutely love them, even though they handle like shit (no matter what boots are fitted). :)
Compared to a 960 Volvo believe me Omegas handles well, but then so would a temperamental camel or donkey with attitude compared to the Volvo. :o :o :o :o
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Alright, so not exactly tyre related as such because I know (as everyone doe)s that Tyres DO affect handling ability, but...........
With all this apparent expertise in vehicle handling, I cannot for one second believe anyone would remotely suggest that any Omega handles well. ;D
OK, the MV6 is pick of the bunch, but even that is absolutely terrible in comparison to other cars in the class.
I've been on cross-channel ferries which have better handling characteristics than an Omega. >:(
Thanks for reading,
Broomies Mate, on 4th Omega, and absolutely love them, even though they handle like shit (no matter what boots are fitted). :)
No no, think of it as the complete opposite. The most basic, fit for purpose, simple thing you might expect of a tyre. Going in a straight line. No power, sat in traffic, following the car in front at 30/20mph. No steering input other than correction. Yet the car is all over the place.
Handling is a bit misleading to be fair as it implies wangling around. No, its the complete opposite. If you rolled the car down a hill in a straight line with nobody in it, the car would vear off and crash.
Feel free to bring it round though, see if we can't improve it. :)
TB would probably disagree with you though, although I think he's noticed how much tyres affect handling. Not so much since fitting sc5, but since his beloved sport max TT where discontinued.
I suspect he was a bit spoiled with those tyres, being honest. Rock steady stability. Massive grip...etc
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Alright, so not exactly tyre related as such because I know (as everyone doe)s that Tyres DO affect handling ability, but...........
With all this apparent expertise in vehicle handling, I cannot for one second believe anyone would remotely suggest that any Omega handles well. ;D
OK, the MV6 is pick of the bunch, but even that is absolutely terrible in comparison to other cars in the class.
I've been on cross-channel ferries which have better handling characteristics than an Omega. >:(
Thanks for reading,
Broomies Mate, on 4th Omega, and absolutely love them, even though they handle like shit (no matter what boots are fitted). :)
No no, think of it as the complete opposite. The most basic, fit for purpose, simple thing you might expect of a tyre. Going in a straight line. No power, sat in traffic, following the car in front at 30/20mph. No steering input other than correction. Yet the car is all over the place.
Handling is a bit misleading to be fair as it implies wangling around. No, its the complete opposite. If you rolled the car down a hill in a straight line with nobody in it, the car would vear off and crash.
This is something I have never experienced to be fair, and I believe mentioned earlier in the thread by Kevin? it seems inconceivable that this level of instability could be attributed to just tyres........ That said, YOU have experienced it first hand, so who am I to argue? I'm just thankful I have never been in that position, because if I had been, I'd be very unhappy with the car and take the bus.
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Alright, so not exactly tyre related as such because I know (as everyone doe)s that Tyres DO affect handling ability, but...........
With all this apparent expertise in vehicle handling, I cannot for one second believe anyone would remotely suggest that any Omega handles well. ;D
OK, the MV6 is pick of the bunch, but even that is absolutely terrible in comparison to other cars in the class.
I've been on cross-channel ferries which have better handling characteristics than an Omega. >:(
Thanks for reading,
Broomies Mate, on 4th Omega, and absolutely love them, even though they handle like shit (no matter what boots are fitted). :)
No no, think of it as the complete opposite. The most basic, fit for purpose, simple thing you might expect of a tyre. Going in a straight line. No power, sat in traffic, following the car in front at 30/20mph. No steering input other than correction. Yet the car is all over the place.
Handling is a bit misleading to be fair as it implies wangling around. No, its the complete opposite. If you rolled the car down a hill in a straight line with nobody in it, the car would vear off and crash.
Feel free to bring it round, see if we can't improve it. :)
Obviously, I can't bring the 3 expired ones, but I'd be more than happy to let you throw spanners at the 4th and see if you can improve on the woefully terrible suspension, brakes, etc.
Without throwing thousands of pounds on a Grands worth of car, it ain't gonna happen.... and if I wanted a car which went around corners and stopped like a cat upon seeing a dog, then I'd have a Ford Focus.
I'll stick with the Omega thanks.
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Alright, so not exactly tyre related as such because I know (as everyone doe)s that Tyres DO affect handling ability, but...........
With all this apparent expertise in vehicle handling, I cannot for one second believe anyone would remotely suggest that any Omega handles well. ;D
OK, the MV6 is pick of the bunch, but even that is absolutely terrible in comparison to other cars in the class.
I've been on cross-channel ferries which have better handling characteristics than an Omega. >:(
Thanks for reading,
Broomies Mate, on 4th Omega, and absolutely love them, even though they handle like shit (no matter what boots are fitted). :)
No no, think of it as the complete opposite. The most basic, fit for purpose, simple thing you might expect of a tyre. Going in a straight line. No power, sat in traffic, following the car in front at 30/20mph. No steering input other than correction. Yet the car is all over the place.
Handling is a bit misleading to be fair as it implies wangling around. No, its the complete opposite. If you rolled the car down a hill in a straight line with nobody in it, the car would vear off and crash.
Feel free to bring it round, see if we can't improve it. :)
Obviously, I can't bring the 3 expired ones, but I'd be more than happy to let you throw spanners at the 4th and see if you can improve on the woefully terrible suspension, brakes, etc.
Without throwing thousands of pounds on a Grands worth of car, it ain't gonna happen.... and if I wanted a car which went around corners and stopped like a cat upon seeing a dog, then I'd have a Ford Focus.
I'll stick with the Omega thanks.
Mmmmyeah, might have found the problem there tbh. It will involve spending money.
Fault find(free)
Replace (costs)
Setup(costs)
Fit new tyres as required.. Its worth the effort IMO.
...although IMO its a basic requirement, but that's just me. :)
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Alright, so not exactly tyre related as such because I know (as everyone doe)s that Tyres DO affect handling ability, but...........
With all this apparent expertise in vehicle handling, I cannot for one second believe anyone would remotely suggest that any Omega handles well. ;D
OK, the MV6 is pick of the bunch, but even that is absolutely terrible in comparison to other cars in the class.
I've been on cross-channel ferries which have better handling characteristics than an Omega. >:(
Thanks for reading,
Broomies Mate, on 4th Omega, and absolutely love them, even though they handle like shit (no matter what boots are fitted). :)
No no, think of it as the complete opposite. The most basic, fit for purpose, simple thing you might expect of a tyre. Going in a straight line. No power, sat in traffic, following the car in front at 30/20mph. No steering input other than correction. Yet the car is all over the place.
Handling is a bit misleading to be fair as it implies wangling around. No, its the complete opposite. If you rolled the car down a hill in a straight line with nobody in it, the car would vear off and crash.
Feel free to bring it round, see if we can't improve it. :)
Obviously, I can't bring the 3 expired ones, but I'd be more than happy to let you throw spanners at the 4th and see if you can improve on the woefully terrible suspension, brakes, etc.
Without throwing thousands of pounds on a Grands worth of car, it ain't gonna happen.... and if I wanted a car which went around corners and stopped like a cat upon seeing a dog, then I'd have a Ford Focus.
I'll stick with the Omega thanks.
Mmmmyeah, might have found the problem there tbh. It will involve spending money.
Fault find(free)
Replace (costs)
Setup(costs)
Fit new tyres as required.. Its worth the effort IMO.
...although IMO its a basic requirement, but that's just me. :)
To be honest, the Omega doesn't 100% suit my driving style - I like to get to where I'm going before I've even left.
In a straight line, Motoways, Dual Carriageways, Nice A Roads, the Omega is a fantastic car....... anything else makes the TC light flash like a barsteward. My Transit will cope with country lanes better! ;D
On Topic - Currently running Michelin Primacy Pilot something or another - Only done a couple of thousand miles and so far, no real complaints. Certainly drives straight and true. :y
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For fluck sake, a tyre is a tyre ::) :-X ;)
Will always go around in circles, one mans "cracking" tyre, is another mans ditch finder.
;D ;D +1 8)
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Alright, so not exactly tyre related as such because I know (as everyone doe)s that Tyres DO affect handling ability, but...........
With all this apparent expertise in vehicle handling, I cannot for one second believe anyone would remotely suggest that any Omega handles well. ;D
OK, the MV6 is pick of the bunch, but even that is absolutely terrible in comparison to other cars in the class.
I've been on cross-channel ferries which have better handling characteristics than an Omega. >:(
Thanks for reading,
Broomies Mate, on 4th Omega, and absolutely love them, even though they handle like shit (no matter what boots are fitted). :)
No no, think of it as the complete opposite. The most basic, fit for purpose, simple thing you might expect of a tyre. Going in a straight line. No power, sat in traffic, following the car in front at 30/20mph. No steering input other than correction. Yet the car is all over the place.
Handling is a bit misleading to be fair as it implies wangling around. No, its the complete opposite. If you rolled the car down a hill in a straight line with nobody in it, the car would vear off and crash.
Feel free to bring it round, see if we can't improve it. :)
Obviously, I can't bring the 3 expired ones, but I'd be more than happy to let you throw spanners at the 4th and see if you can improve on the woefully terrible suspension, brakes, etc.
Without throwing thousands of pounds on a Grands worth of car, it ain't gonna happen.... and if I wanted a car which went around corners and stopped like a cat upon seeing a dog, then I'd have a Ford Focus.
I'll stick with the Omega thanks.
Mmmmyeah, might have found the problem there tbh. It will involve spending money.
Fault find(free)
Replace (costs)
Setup(costs)
Fit new tyres as required.. Its worth the effort IMO.
...although IMO its a basic requirement, but that's just me. :)
To be honest, the Omega doesn't 100% suit my driving style - I like to get to where I'm going before I've even left.
In a straight line, Motoways, Dual Carriageways, Nice A Roads, the Omega is a fantastic car....... anything else makes the TC light flash like a barsteward. My Transit will cope with country lanes better! ;D
On Topic - Currently running Michelin Primacy Pilot something or another - Only done a couple of thousand miles and so far, no real complaints. Certainly drives straight and true. :y
I spent a good while thinking..."you can't rush these bloody omegas can you" slow to turn in, slow to settle on its suspension once turned, slow to change line, slow to respond to throttle at the apex if auto, upset the suspension by applying throttle, still waiting, come oooon settle down, apply power finally...
...by which time the corner has come and gone and the event has been completely missed by the car ;D
Elites are very soft. So its not all omegas.
Firm the suspension up though, and it transforms the car.
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one final note which I believe is essential to point out..
any omega owner who has lowered car or using larger tyre sizes like 18 or wider wheels than the standard or different bushes
and claiming a tyre to be bad is experiencing a completely different car setup.. as anyone can guess omega's original setup cant
handle higher friction powers than its original design.. thats the cause of your tramlining issue.. as I noted on a seperate thread..
And I will close my ears to all future ifs and buts :) if you are interested please find the relevant thread and read..
good night all
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one final note which I believe is essential to point out..
any omega owner who has lowered car or using larger tyre sizes like 18 or wider wheels than the standard or different bushes
and claiming a tyre to be bad is experiencing a completely different car setup.. as anyone can guess omega's original setup cant
handle higher friction powers than its original design.. thats the cause of your tramlining issue.. as I noted on a seperate thread..
And I will close my ears to all future ifs and buts :) if you are interested please find the relevant thread and read..
good night all
Wrong. :)
You'll be telling us poly bushes can't be fitted with wishbones on the car next. ::)
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And we are still awaiting your tyre experiences cem.
Although I'm beginning to doubt there is any. Tbh.
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I spent a good while thinking..."you can't rush these bloody omegas can you" slow to turn in, slow to settle on its suspension once turned, slow to change line, slow to respond to throttle at the apex if auto, upset the suspension by applying throttle, still waiting, come oooon settle down, apply power finally...
...by which time the corner has come and gone and the event has been completely missed by the car ;D
Elites are very soft. So its not all omegas.
Firm the suspension up though, and it transforms the car.
I know exactly what you mean! ;D
I'd like to spend money on the suspension and make it a 'better' handling car, but it's a big, soft, wallowy old Hector and it does what it says on the tin. I enjoy the car very much - else I wouldn't have bought another and another and another.
I just think it's hilarious that people suggest the Omega handles well. Yes, I'm sure it can be made better, but it's never going to be a wizard of the B roads.
Also, I long for the day I get my hands on a nice set of PFL Elite wheels with tyres that have a decent side-wall. These low profile 45's are not in keeping with the handling characteristics of the car. They look good, but every speed bump feels like I'm driving a Cinquecento! ;D
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one final note which I believe is essential to point out..
any omega owner who has lowered car or using larger tyre sizes like 18 or wider wheels than the standard or different bushes
and claiming a tyre to be bad is experiencing a completely different car setup.. as anyone can guess omega's original setup cant
handle higher friction powers than its original design.. thats the cause of your tramlining issue.. as I noted on a seperate thread..
And I will close my ears to all future ifs and buts :) if you are interested please find the relevant thread and read..
good night all
Wrong. :)
physics is an area which doesnt listen your visual demands Chris :) it has its own rules..
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By the way Al you didnt tell us the test order for your Enduro!
Argh ::) Because I never read a tyre test for it...
I found a tyre within my budget that out performed the alternatives. Ergo I continued to buy it and gladly recommended it to you lot. Simples.
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And we are still awaiting your tyre experiences cem.
Although I'm beginning to doubt there is any. Tbh.
assume I have no experience but its better than claiming an experience on a non-standard car
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one final note which I believe is essential to point out..
any omega owner who has lowered car or using larger tyre sizes like 18 or wider wheels than the standard or different bushes
and claiming a tyre to be bad is experiencing a completely different car setup.. as anyone can guess omega's original setup cant
handle higher friction powers than its original design.. thats the cause of your tramlining issue.. as I noted on a seperate thread..
And I will close my ears to all future ifs and buts :) if you are interested please find the relevant thread and read..
good night all
Wrong. :)
physics is an area which doesnt listen your visual demands Chris :) it has its own rules..
;D
...now, these tyres of yours? What was your experience of them? Any findings? Criticisms?
Have there been any? At all? :-\
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By the way Al you didnt tell us the test order for your Enduro!
Argh ::) Because I never read a tyre test for it...
I found a tyre within my budget that out performed the alternatives. Ergo I continued to buy it and gladly recommended it to you lot. Simples.
how did you know that ? ::)
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one final note which I believe is essential to point out..
any omega owner who has lowered car or using larger tyre sizes like 18 or wider wheels than the standard or different bushes
and claiming a tyre to be bad is experiencing a completely different car setup.. as anyone can guess omega's original setup cant
handle higher friction powers than its original design.. thats the cause of your tramlining issue.. as I noted on a seperate thread..
And I will close my ears to all future ifs and buts :) if you are interested please find the relevant thread and read..
good night all
Wrong. :)
physics is an area which doesnt listen your visual demands Chris :) it has its own rules..
;D
...now, these tyres of yours? What was your experience of them? Any findings? Criticisms?
Have there been any? At all? :-\
I even dont own an omega.. so what the hell I'm doing here ;D
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hang on a mo the dog wants a leak :D
................And we`re back in the room. :y
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one final note which I believe is essential to point out..
any omega owner who has lowered car or using larger tyre sizes like 18 or wider wheels than the standard or different bushes
and claiming a tyre to be bad is experiencing a completely different car setup.. as anyone can guess omega's original setup cant
handle higher friction powers than its original design.. thats the cause of your tramlining issue.. as I noted on a seperate thread..
And I will close my ears to all future ifs and buts :) if you are interested please find the relevant thread and read..
good night all
Wrong. :)
physics is an area which doesnt listen your visual demands Chris :) it has its own rules..
;D
...now, these tyres of yours? What was your experience of them? Any findings? Criticisms?
Have there been any? At all? :-\
I even dont own an omega.. so what the hell I'm doing here ;D
Eagle f1 I know of. Good choice you recommended.
Bridgestone potenza. Iirc you said they had amazing grip. I can assure you they haven't. Rock hard and noisy. Bad recommendation there. But it did well in tests, do that's all ok then. ;D
I think the clique has had too much influence tbh.
Oh sigh... ::)
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the potenza I recomended was used by Aston Martin and very well rated in addition to tests..
and every passenger in the car was sticked to windows during curves(when I'm driving) .. no need to say further..
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the potenza I recomended was used by Aston Martin and very well rated in addition to tests..
and every passenger in the car was sticked to windows during curves.. no need to say further..
Yes that just about says it all really. Your right there. ::)
Any others? I make that two?
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the potenza I recomended was used by Aston Martin and very well rated in addition to tests..
and every passenger in the car was sticked to windows during curves.. no need to say further..
Yes that just about says it all really. Your right there. ::)
Any others? I make that two?
::)
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the potenza I recomended was used by Aston Martin and very well rated in addition to tests..
and every passenger in the car was sticked to windows during curves.. no need to say further..
Yes that just about says it all really. Your right there. ::)
Any others? I make that two?
::)
Ok good, so cem has experience on two different makes of tyre on the omega.
Potenza and eagle f1. :y
...but of course, you know what that means, don't you?
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By the way Al you didnt tell us the test order for your Enduro!
Argh ::) Because I never read a tyre test for it...
I found a tyre within my budget that out performed the alternatives. Ergo I continued to buy it and gladly recommended it to you lot. Simples.
how did you know that ? ::)
Because, unlike the Auto(no)grip that were stocked by my local tyre place, and the same price, the Enduros transformed the way the car responded instantly, and as I have shouted loudly from the roof tops, both standard 225/55/16 and 235/45/17 perform come rain, snow and sunshine.
How do I know they worked?
That's easy. Higher average speeds over various sections of road when pressing on, with no unexpected 'clenching'. And FYI, my car had stock suspension and wheels until January this year. Actually, the 18" Irmscher wheels are factory approved, with factory size tyres fitted.
Actually Cem, of those two tyres you suggest on the Omega, how many of them are an official Omega size?
Didn't think so :-X
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one final note which I believe is essential to point out..
any omega owner who has lowered car or using larger tyre sizes like 18 or wider wheels than the standard or different bushes
and claiming a tyre to be bad is experiencing a completely different car setup.. as anyone can guess omega's original setup cant
handle higher friction powers than its original design.. thats the cause of your tramlining issue.. as I noted on a seperate thread..
And I will close my ears to all future ifs and buts :) if you are interested please find the relevant thread and read..
good night all
Wrong. :)
physics is an area which doesnt listen your visual demands Chris :) it has its own rules..
;D
...now, these tyres of yours? What was your experience of them? Any findings? Criticisms?
Have there been any? At all? :-\
Oh and btw, I re fitted mo sc3 on a deal at Costco. To replace the smaller tram lining ao1 sc3.
No more tram lining. Non. At all. Biggest tyres size I ever fitted to the omega, as part of the irmscher factory fit sport pack ( or whatever the hell its called) and it drives straighter than it ever has. :y
I love my omega again. :)
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Come on, its getting late. ::) ;D
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Come on, its getting late. ::) ;D
And your in box is still full ::)
Guessing from the silence that Cems wheels are only 225/40/18s ::) not known for being an Omega size iirc...
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You know, its funny you should mention that. The potenza I had on my omega from the previous owner, will not physically fit on the front axle. As they rub on the strut. So they have to go on the rear.
I wonder, can you tell if they do a potenza in an oe size? Because my previous owner clearly couldn't find one. ::)
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Come on, its getting late. ::) ;D
And your in box is still full ::)
Guessing from the silence that Cems wheels are only 225/40/18s ::) not known for being an Omega size iirc...
Now if he'd fitted 235 or 245, that would at least be an irmscher recommended size, according to the tuv docs. :)
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My point entirely ::)
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(http://i40.tinypic.com/ndx3ea.jpg)
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D :y
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My point entirely ::)
Right, I see. So that's only one tyre that cem has experience of that's relevant to the omega.
And he's recommended the other to Oof members in a size no body will use. I wonder if that's relevant to omega owners?
In fact I wonder if the f1 was fitted to an odd size tyre as well. That would be unfortunate if so. Because that would mean he can't really comment, with any credibility at least, on tyres for omegas... at all.
And yet, It would seem, he appears to set himself up as something of a tyre expert. Going by previous posts.
Would that be fair to say? :-\ apologies if I'm doing a dis service, but it does seem odd to me. :o
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Oh dear.
http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/index.php?topic=103517.0
...and with wheel spacers no less. I don't think they are standard, are they? ::)
Nice wheels though. :y
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Stonking :)
(http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x80/mecdv6/jantlastik/yenijamt2.jpg)
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Kevin Wood - Nope, didn't get chance to overdrive the SC5s. I'm always concious of the release agent, so treat tyres carefully for the first 100 miles or so. They were poor from the outset. I did rack my brains at the time if I could of overdriven them, but the lack of any stability just meant I wasn't confident enough to really try.
Broomies Mate - An Omega is a big car to throw around country lanes, but easily outhandles any Focus I've driven. And stops quicker, albeit without the Ford hair trigger brakes ;D. But I've mostly always had good tyres on my Omegas. Mostly ;D
chrisgixer - too early to officially comment, as I haven't manged to shag them yet, but so far I've been impressed with the GY F1 Asym 2. Dare I almost mention TT style characteristics, though not quite the grip. If that translates into being able to get 15-20k from them, I'll be delighted.
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So will I! After what you've been through. :y
Asym 2..? Is that the only model or is there Asym 1 and Asym 2?
I could check the web site, but I'm lazy. :)
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Asym 2..? Is that the only model or is there Asym 1 and Asym 2?
Let me read the sidewalls, I may have dreamt something.
Job for tomorrow, just got in after trapsing around all the camping shops between MK and Coventry.
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Ok Asym 2 is the only model available.
http://www.goodyear.eu/uk_en/tires/passenger/eagle-f1-asymmetric-2/index.jsp?from=tf
So in order of preference TB...? F1 Asym 2, Dunlop TT, Dunlop RT...? :)
Size, front or rear, all round, what? Come on come on..? ;D ;)
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Too many posts to read.
What I want to know is how TB got on with the new Dunlops? I dont think I remember reading about it at all.
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Too many posts to read.
It was 1.30 am when I finished reading em last night ,Think I'll replace the nine year old michelins with goodyears.
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Too many posts to read.
It was 1.30 am when I finished reading em last night ,Think I'll replace the nine year old michelins with goodyears.
Might well be going down the goodyear f1 asymmetric 2 myself, They seem like a good all rounder :y .. Failing that Runway's.. Failing that god knows ;D
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Ok Asym 2 is the only model available.
http://www.goodyear.eu/uk_en/tires/passenger/eagle-f1-asymmetric-2/index.jsp?from=tf
So in order of preference TB...? F1 Asym 2, Dunlop TT, Dunlop RT...? :)
Size, front or rear, all round, what? Come on come on..? ;D ;)
I've not had the GY F1s for long enough, still too much tread to comment.
I still maintain that the Sport Maxx TT is the best overall Omega tyre ever made, though accept those who want plastic tyres would be disappointed with their life.
RT aren't quite as stable in a straight line, but the level of grip is awesome. Sadly, the rate of wear is also amazing, but not in a good way.
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Gaaw he's bloody evasive isn't he. ::)
Ok, nice easy one. Which car? TFSE?
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Gaaw he's bloody evasive isn't he. ::)
Ok, nice easy one. Which car? TFSE?
Obeying your rules, not commenting on the tyre until I know what its like over the life. They aren't that cheap, and I'd hate for someone to blow £700 on them, only to find that they are awful once half worn ;)
The Dunlops I mentioned are both 235/45/17, Y94
The GY are 235/40/18, forgot to check the sidewall for precise info.
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Gaaw he's bloody evasive isn't he. ::)
Ok, nice easy one. Which car? TFSE?
Obeying your rules, not commenting on the tyre until I know what its like over the life. They aren't that cheap, and I'd hate for someone to blow £700 on them, only to find that they are awful once half worn ;)
The Dunlops I mentioned are both 235/45/17, Y94
The GY are 235/40/18, forgot to check the sidewall for precise info.
Yes yes yeeees don't worry about all that, first impressions! You can do first impressions ... That's allowed. :y
What about noise...? Quieter than sc3 ? (Come on, my rears are worn out, and need replacement imminently, even thought they are 265! My risk)
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Could this be the longest tyre thread :P in the history of oof(the world) ;D (carlsberg voice)
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What about noise...? Quieter than sc3 ? (Come on, my rears are worn out, and need replacement imminently, even thought they are 265! My risk)
As you know, tyre noise is unimportant to me, so I don't pay much attention to it. They are definately, at this early stage, quieter than the Dunlop RTs on the Bullet.
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Could this be the longest tyre thread :P in the history of oof(the world) ;D (carlsberg voice)
Not yet. ;)
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I am due new tyres and was just going to get the GY Assym 2. But then realised I had given up my winters to Tunnie. So might get some all season tyres on. Unfortunately GY dont make the Vector 4 seasons in Omega size. Hence it may have to be the Hankook Optimo 4s.
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I am due new tyres and was just going to get the GY Assym 2. But then realised I had given up my winters to Tunnie. So might get some all season tyres on. Unfortunately GY dont make the Vector 4 seasons in Omega size. Hence it may have to be the Hankook Optimo 4s.
Oh for fff...
Now you've done it. ;D ;)
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Hahaha p.15.
I bet the OPs mind is swimming with possibilities for his tyres ;D
Sorry. please continue.......
(http://i1226.photobucket.com/albums/ee402/webbybear1/batman_zpsa1dd8da4.jpg) (http://s1226.photobucket.com/user/webbybear1/media/batman_zpsa1dd8da4.jpg.html)
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Wonder what kind of tyres these where ::) ;D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sfKX9BZZ83o
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Wonder what kind of tyres these where ::) ;D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sfKX9BZZ83o
Must have been a police pursuit ::) :-\ ;D
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Wonder what kind of tyres these where ::) ;D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sfKX9BZZ83o
Crap ones ;D
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Boring now,15 pages and still going round in circles
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Must be 'bout time to rekindle the 'Bus Nostalgia' thread ...
Need to plunder the archives first ... ;D
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Must be 'bout time to rekindle the 'Bus Nostalgia' thread ...
Need to plunder the archives first ... ;D
Anything on bus tyres Seth? ??? ???
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;) ;)
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They are bigger and wider than a car tyre lol
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They are bigger and wider than a car tyre lol
Ah, but which were cross ply or radial; what tyres did each bus company use; what were considered the best; when were various types introduced..................................and did any tramline?? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;) ;)
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And what about winter bus tyres? :-\
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Anything on bus tyres Seth? ??? ???
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;) ;)
Aye missus ... and I've got a 'shot' right ankle to prove it ... after an accident unfortunate encounter with a 9.00 x 20 Michelin way back in Summer 1974 >:(
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Now , about these winter tyre's ::)
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And what about van tyres aswell ............
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I like cake
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Ah, but which were cross ply or radial; what tyres did each bus company use; what were considered the best; when were various types introduced..................................and did any tramline?? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;) ;)
Will sort summat Lizzie, and post on the 'Bus Nostalgia' thread ... 'cos this thread's presently going off-topic ... somewhat ???
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They are bigger and wider than a car tyre lol
Ah, but which were cross ply or radial; what tyres did each bus company use; what were considered the best; when were various types introduced..................................and did any tramline?? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;) ;)
I wonder if cem knows. ::) :o :-X :D ;D ;D ;D
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An omega bus and van? No way! ;D
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An omega bus and van? No way! ;D
(http://www.carpictures.com/pics/640/09IFF541317450AA/Holden-VE-Omega-Ute-Victoria-s-Newest-Police-Van-2010-09IFF541317450AA.jpeg) :o
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An omega bus and van? No way! ;D
Thought that Wilf Rolf had one with iffy cam-cover pattern gasket ... didn't he? ;D
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(http://www.carpictures.com/pics/640/09IFF541317450AA/Holden-VE-Omega-Ute-Victoria-s-Newest-Police-Van-2010-09IFF541317450AA.jpeg)
I quite like that! :y
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A Holden omega, the same it is not. Master. ;)
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A Holden omega, the same it is not. Master. ;)
He wishes ;D
The VE Ute, of which that is an example, has about as much in common with the Omega as a Supercharged VXR8 ::)
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An omega bus and van? No way! ;D
(http://www.carpictures.com/pics/640/09IFF541317450AA/Holden-VE-Omega-Ute-Victoria-s-Newest-Police-Van-2010-09IFF541317450AA.jpeg) :o
And its on steel wheels , that will make it tramline like a fish hook in a river ::)
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A Holden omega, the same it is not. Master. ;)
Yep I know what it is - but couldn't find a pic of a Euro-Omega van - or a bus ;)
Page 17 ::)
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They are bigger and wider than a car tyre lol
Ah, but which were cross ply or radial; what tyres did each bus company use; what were considered the best; when were various types introduced..................................and did any tramline?? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;) ;)
I wonder if cem knows. ::) :o :-X :D ;D ;D ;D
unfortunately bus tyres are completely out of my shooting sight ;D
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They are bigger and wider than a car tyre lol
Ah, but which were cross ply or radial; what tyres did each bus company use; what were considered the best; when were various types introduced..................................and did any tramline?? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;) ;)
I wonder if cem knows. ::) :o :-X :D ;D ;D ;D
unfortunately bus tyres are completely out of my shooting sight ;D
PMSL ;D that never stopped you before ! :o ;D
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Blimey this thread is getting,draged along just to stay alive ;D,
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They are bigger and wider than a car tyre lol
Ah, but which were cross ply or radial; what tyres did each bus company use; what were considered the best; when were various types introduced..................................and did any tramline?? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;) ;)
I wonder if cem knows. ::) :o :-X :D ;D ;D ;D
unfortunately bus tyres are completely out of my shooting sight ;D
PMSL ;D that never stopped you before ! :o ;D
I never commented about anything bus related including tyres ::)
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They are bigger and wider than a car tyre lol
Ah, but which were cross ply or radial; what tyres did each bus company use; what were considered the best; when were various types introduced..................................and did any tramline?? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;) ;)
I wonder if cem knows. ::) :o :-X :D ;D ;D ;D
unfortunately bus tyres are completely out of my shooting sight ;D
PMSL ;D that never stopped you before ! :o ;D
I never commented about anything bus related including tyres ::)
Why not? :)