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Title: wheels
Post by: bago on 09 August 2013, 09:19:21
will 16" wheels from a signum fit on a omega
Title: Re: wheels
Post by: Andy B on 09 August 2013, 10:14:49
will 16" wheels from a signum fit on a omega

What's the offset on the Signum wheels? ie **ET  :-\
Title: Re: wheels
Post by: bago on 09 August 2013, 10:46:19
believe the offset is 35

http://www.wheelfitment.eu/steekmaat.php?merk=Opel&type=Signum%20(2003%20-%202008)&merk2=Opel%20/%20Vauxhall

another site says

2004 16x7.0 49 5x110.0 215/55R16 
Title: Re: wheels
Post by: bago on 16 August 2013, 13:10:31
well no replys so will give them a try and see if they fit
Title: Re: wheels
Post by: cem_devecioglu on 16 August 2013, 13:40:58
will fit
Title: Re: wheels
Post by: 05omegav6 on 16 August 2013, 13:57:27
The offset will be stamped on the back of the wheel somewhere :y it will be ET??

Be surprised if less than ET38. And just because they bolt on doesn't mean they fit or are suitable :y

Check with your insurers as they are not a factory available size...
Title: Re: wheels
Post by: cem_devecioglu on 17 August 2013, 16:00:28
The offset will be stamped on the back of the wheel somewhere :y it will be ET??

Be surprised if less than ET38. And just because they bolt on doesn't mean they fit or are suitable :y

Check with your insurers as they are not a factory available size...

will bolt on and will fit.. suitability depends on ops decision.
http://www.wheelfitment.net/vauxhall (http://www.wheelfitment.net/vauxhall)
Title: Re: wheels
Post by: 05omegav6 on 18 August 2013, 05:03:55
Er not quite ::)

Suitability depends on the effect that unapproved size tyres/wheels have on suspension geometry and handling characteristics.

Wheels will sit further under the car, coupled with a significantly reduced contact patch, so woukd guess as a minimum that steering will be lighter, and become more twitchy, along with worsened stopping distances, and a tendancy to try and 'trip' over the outside front wheel when pushing on in the twisty bits...
Title: Re: wheels
Post by: cem_devecioglu on 18 August 2013, 09:55:45
Er not quite ::)

Suitability depends on the effect that unapproved size tyres/wheels have on suspension geometry and handling characteristics.

Wheels will sit further under the car, coupled with a significantly reduced contact patch, so woukd guess as a minimum that steering will be lighter, and become more twitchy, along with worsened stopping distances, and a tendancy to try and 'trip' over the outside front wheel when pushing on in the twisty bits...

probably you forget that 195/65-15 is also an original size ::) ;D

or was until firms decided to use posh sizes  ;)
Title: Re: wheels
Post by: Lazydocker on 18 August 2013, 10:08:07
Er not quite ::)

Suitability depends on the effect that unapproved size tyres/wheels have on suspension geometry and handling characteristics.

Wheels will sit further under the car, coupled with a significantly reduced contact patch, so woukd guess as a minimum that steering will be lighter, and become more twitchy, along with worsened stopping distances, and a tendancy to try and 'trip' over the outside front wheel when pushing on in the twisty bits...

probably you forget that 195/65-15 is also an original size ::) ;D

or was until firms decided to use posh sizes  ;)

Cem, you have no knowledge of UK insurance law. If a driver in the uk has non standard size wheels fitted without declaring it then they have every right to refuse to honour the cover.

On top of that, the 195 width tyres fitted to the Omega as standard have the correct offset ::)
Title: Re: wheels
Post by: Lazydocker on 18 August 2013, 10:10:19
But... Of course, they may well fit ok bolt on so that must mean it's fine to fit them ::)
Title: Re: wheels
Post by: TheBoy on 18 August 2013, 10:22:40
probably you forget that 195/65-15 is also an original size ::) ;D

or was until firms decided to use posh sizes  ;)
Going by OPs profile, its a facelift Elite.  All Vauxhall Elites left the factory with 17", 7.5J rims (FL) or 16", 7J rims (PFL).
Title: Re: wheels
Post by: cem_devecioglu on 18 August 2013, 10:34:54
probably you forget that 195/65-15 is also an original size ::) ;D

or was until firms decided to use posh sizes  ;)
Going by OPs profile, its a facelift Elite.  All Vauxhall Elites left the factory with 17", 7.5J rims (FL) or 16", 7J rims (PFL).

whats wrong with using older standard ? same car same weight may be few kgs difference..

Title: Re: wheels
Post by: cem_devecioglu on 18 August 2013, 10:36:17
Er not quite ::)

Suitability depends on the effect that unapproved size tyres/wheels have on suspension geometry and handling characteristics.

Wheels will sit further under the car, coupled with a significantly reduced contact patch, so woukd guess as a minimum that steering will be lighter, and become more twitchy, along with worsened stopping distances, and a tendancy to try and 'trip' over the outside front wheel when pushing on in the twisty bits...

probably you forget that 195/65-15 is also an original size ::) ;D

or was until firms decided to use posh sizes  ;)

Cem, you have no knowledge of UK insurance law. If a driver in the uk has non standard size wheels fitted without declaring it then they have every right to refuse to honour the cover.

On top of that, the 195 width tyres fitted to the Omega as standard have the correct offset ::)

similiar laws apply here.. but I can bet if I open a case against insurance firm I'll win which is unncessary as they will pay.. :)
Title: Re: wheels
Post by: TheBoy on 18 August 2013, 10:57:13
probably you forget that 195/65-15 is also an original size ::) ;D

or was until firms decided to use posh sizes  ;)
Going by OPs profile, its a facelift Elite.  All Vauxhall Elites left the factory with 17", 7.5J rims (FL) or 16", 7J rims (PFL).

whats wrong with using older standard ? same car same weight may be few kgs difference..
UK insurance. Maybe Turkish is more lax, but we have to declare everything. I would also bet, even if declared, putting a narrower tyre on would invalidate it anyway.

Remember, winter tyres need declaring here, then re-declaring when the summers go back on.
Title: Re: wheels
Post by: kevinp58 on 18 August 2013, 11:04:16
Er not quite ::)

Suitability depends on the effect that unapproved size tyres/wheels have on suspension geometry and handling characteristics.

Wheels will sit further under the car, coupled with a significantly reduced contact patch, so woukd guess as a minimum that steering will be lighter, and become more twitchy, along with worsened stopping distances, and a tendancy to try and 'trip' over the outside front wheel when pushing on in the twisty bits...

probably you forget that 195/65-15 is also an original size ::) ;D

or was until firms decided to use posh sizes  ;)

Cem, you have no knowledge of UK insurance law. If a driver in the uk has non standard size wheels fitted without declaring it then they have every right to refuse to honour the cover.

On top of that, the 195 width tyres fitted to the Omega as standard have the correct offset ::)











Heads down somebody has picked a fight with cem and tyres/wheels.  ::) :-X ;D ;D
Title: Re: wheels
Post by: 05omegav6 on 18 August 2013, 11:08:10
Nope, he has simply refuelled after systematically losing being proved wrong to be misguided in tother discussion ;D sometimes people just won't be told ::)

(Says me, a serial Omega owner :-X)
Title: Re: wheels
Post by: SandBoy on 18 August 2013, 11:09:33
I never knew that....so to clarify.....a car has to have factory fitted standards,unless the insurance company is told otherwise,if not it's not insured....is that right?

Title: Re: wheels
Post by: kevinp58 on 18 August 2013, 11:12:48
I never knew that....so to clarify.....a car has to have factory fitted standards,unless the insurance company is told otherwise,if not it's not insured....is that right?






Not always but they will climb out of an agreement if they find you have changed the car in any way including wheels. so best tell them if they aren't the same size as they left the factory, some even get funny about fitting alloys if steels were fitted. even if the same size ::)
Title: Re: wheels
Post by: TheBoy on 18 August 2013, 11:18:01
I never knew that....so to clarify.....a car has to have factory fitted standards,unless the insurance company is told otherwise,if not it's not insured....is that right?
In the case of a claim, esp where blame has not been formally accepted by a 3rd party, they will spend a great deal of energy looking for ways to either reduce their settlements, or invalidate the insurance altogether. Car, bike, house insurance, they are all the same in my experience over the past 18 months.
Title: Re: wheels
Post by: 05omegav6 on 18 August 2013, 11:29:28
Technically yes  :-\ and mostly for the reasons that Cem kindly highlighted in my earlier post.

Basically if you have fitted anything that it could reasonably left the factory with, as listed in the hand book, or available as a factory fitted option (such as the Irmscher range), then there is unlikely to be much issue.

Any MV6 or facelift Elite wheel are all the same diameter/width/offset and all should be fitted with 235/45/17 tyres.

Pfl/Mfl Elites and all other facelift alloys are the same diameter/width/offset and should be fitted with 225/55/16 tyres.

15" steel wheels, as fitted to lower spec Pfl and as spares to Fl cars are Omega B specific, that means that although they have a standard Vauxhall 5 stud bolt pattern, their offset is designed specifically for the Omega.

What some people don't quite grasp, is that the wheels fitted to any other 5stud Vauxhall might well bolt on, (the stud pattern is the same), but they have different offsets for front wheel drive applications. This has a bearing on how the wheel performs on a car, and tyre size plays a part in this as well

And for reference, the 18" Irmscher wheels some of us have fitted were supplied to the original purchaser with a Type approval notice detailing the exact tyre sizes acceptable for given applications, and also an approved list of tyres based on what was available at the time.
Title: Re: wheels
Post by: SandBoy on 18 August 2013, 11:36:59
Blimey,I bet there are a lot of cars / drivers out there that possibly may have insurance claim probs then :-\

Just been doing check ready for "Goldies" MOT.....tyres are OK :y....but I didnt know that anything hanging or attached to windscreen/internal mirror i.e hanging air freshener or sat nav can be a fail..!
Title: Re: wheels
Post by: Broomies Mate on 18 August 2013, 11:38:19
Blimey,I bet there are a lot of cars / drivers out there that possibly may have insurance claim probs then :-\

Just been doing check ready for "Goldies" MOT.....tyres are OK :y....but I didnt know that anything hanging or attached to windscreen/internal mirror i.e hanging air freshener or sat nav can be a fail..!

*Runs and Hides*
Title: Re: wheels
Post by: kevinp58 on 18 August 2013, 11:47:16
Blimey,I bet there are a lot of cars / drivers out there that possibly may have insurance claim probs then :-\

Just been doing check ready for "Goldies" MOT.....tyres are OK :y....but I didnt know that anything hanging or attached to windscreen/internal mirror i.e hanging air freshener or sat nav can be a fail..!

*Runs and Hides*








 +1  :-X ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: wheels
Post by: SandBoy on 18 August 2013, 11:51:21
Yea ...Yea....I know ::) :)
Title: Re: wheels
Post by: cem_devecioglu on 18 August 2013, 12:58:06
probably you forget that 195/65-15 is also an original size ::) ;D

or was until firms decided to use posh sizes  ;)
Going by OPs profile, its a facelift Elite.  All Vauxhall Elites left the factory with 17", 7.5J rims (FL) or 16", 7J rims (PFL).

whats wrong with using older standard ? same car same weight may be few kgs difference..
UK insurance. Maybe Turkish is more lax, but we have to declare everything. I would also bet, even if declared, putting a narrower tyre on would invalidate it anyway.

Remember, winter tyres need declaring here, then re-declaring when the summers go back on.

 ;D   :P :-X
Title: Re: wheels
Post by: cem_devecioglu on 18 August 2013, 13:00:33
Technically yes  :-\ and mostly for the reasons that Cem kindly highlighted in my earlier post.

Basically if you have fitted anything that it could reasonably left the factory with, as listed in the hand book, or available as a factory fitted option (such as the Irmscher range), then there is unlikely to be much issue.

Any MV6 or facelift Elite wheel are all the same diameter/width/offset and all should be fitted with 235/45/17 tyres.

Pfl/Mfl Elites and all other facelift alloys are the same diameter/width/offset and should be fitted with 225/55/16 tyres.

15" steel wheels, as fitted to lower spec Pfl and as spares to Fl cars are Omega B specific, that means that although they have a standard Vauxhall 5 stud bolt pattern, their offset is designed specifically for the Omega.

What some people don't quite grasp, is that the wheels fitted to any other 5stud Vauxhall might well bolt on, (the stud pattern is the same), but they have different offsets for front wheel drive applications. This has a bearing on how the wheel performs on a car, and tyre size plays a part in this as well

And for reference, the 18" Irmscher wheels some of us have fitted were supplied to the original purchaser with a Type approval notice detailing the exact tyre sizes acceptable for given applications, and also an approved list of tyres based on what was available at the time.

have you checked the list and specs ::)
 
if any insurance firm here tries to find a pin hole like that, judges by no means like them so without doubt and any suspicion they (insurance firms) will loose..  and I see no reason that judges in UK will be less logical than ours ;)
 
and a situation here that you may be unaware in the last years insurance firms loose uncountable numerous cases that this year
insurance premiums increased more than double :o :(
Title: Re: wheels
Post by: TheBoy on 18 August 2013, 13:24:05

if any insurance firm here tries to find a pin hole like that, judges by no means like them so without doubt and any suspicion they (insurance firms) will loose..  and I see no reason that judges in UK will be less logical than ours ;)
Before you could get it before a judge, you would have to go through the Insurance Onbudsman here, they would have to declare that the insurance company is being unfair, and rule in your favour. Then if the insurance still refuse (to pay out) you have the option to take it to the courts and before a judge, who will then re-evaluate everything.

You may win, but it will be a time consuming process (measured in years), and potentially expensive if either the Onbudsman or the Court rule against you.

I'm glad your Turkish insurance firms are more reasonable, but thats not how things work here. But on the upside, Omegas are dirt cheap to buy here ;D
Title: Re: wheels
Post by: chrisgixer on 18 August 2013, 13:26:10
I think we ALL need to remember, on what is an international forum, that what happens at home, does not necessarily happen abroad.

This is getting rediculous now. ::)
Title: Re: wheels
Post by: cem_devecioglu on 18 August 2013, 15:57:22

if any insurance firm here tries to find a pin hole like that, judges by no means like them so without doubt and any suspicion they (insurance firms) will loose..  and I see no reason that judges in UK will be less logical than ours ;)
Before you could get it before a judge, you would have to go through the Insurance Onbudsman here, they would have to declare that the insurance company is being unfair, and rule in your favour. Then if the insurance still refuse (to pay out) you have the option to take it to the courts and before a judge, who will then re-evaluate everything.

You may win, but it will be a time consuming process (measured in years), and potentially expensive if either the Onbudsman or the Court rule against you.

I'm glad your Turkish insurance firms are more reasonable, but thats not how things work here. But on the upside, Omegas are dirt cheap to buy here ;D

well then.. assume I bought an omega in UK (and I assume I live there)  for 250 quid , it wont be expected to pay more than a grand for wheels and tyres (actually which is not valid for me here) ..   so I would normally choose the cheapest route and buy used wheels-tyres from an another vauxhall .. and in case sh*t happens I wont bother with the insurance firm and go buy another ;D :y
Title: Re: wheels
Post by: 05omegav6 on 18 August 2013, 20:29:45
Thing is Cem, in that situation, your insurer would pay the third party and then come after you to cover their payout.

Net result, you could potentially end up bankrupt and homeless, so buying another car would be a fair way down the list ::)
Title: Re: wheels
Post by: cem_devecioglu on 19 August 2013, 07:30:04
Thing is Cem, in that situation, your insurer would pay the third party and then come after you to cover their payout.

Net result, you could potentially end up bankrupt and homeless, so buying another car would be a fair way down the list ::)

thats valid only if you are responsible for the accident..  ;)

but back to beginning of thread , wheels are suitable as the list explains..  and its ops decision to use them or not..

and personally I would use without any hesitation..  the insurance firms nonsense (as also seen in the example of winter tyres) dont change the reality!

so can you tell me if 195/65 -15 is original original size which factory fitted for the same car how can 215/55-16 can be dangerous ?

and besides there are other factors that can effect a tyres grip factor like age-mileage-quality..

in that case if I was the insurance firm I would check the tyres and if they were high mileage  or age I would try my chance and still not pay ;D
Title: Re: wheels
Post by: 05omegav6 on 19 August 2013, 12:19:26
Cem once again you simply ignore details to make your point.

The OFFSET is different. Tyre size is irrelevant to the OPs question. Although the tyres fitted to the signum are different to the Omega for precisely the same reasons as the offset being different
Title: Re: wheels
Post by: cem_devecioglu on 19 August 2013, 13:11:18
Cem once again you simply ignore details to make your point.

The OFFSET is different. Tyre size is irrelevant to the OPs question. Although the tyres fitted to the signum are different to the Omega for precisely the same reasons as the offset being different

signum offset 35, omega offset 33 so very close.. 
 
and you are telling this to a man who uses spacers ;D ;D ;D
 
and according to vauxhalls list wheel offsets from 35 to 45 can be used :)
http://www.wheelfitment.net/vauxhall (http://www.wheelfitment.net/vauxhall)
 
ps: although later opel/vauxhall changed offset to 39
http://www.tire-size.net/size/opel/omega/ (http://www.tire-size.net/size/opel/omega/)
 
so even factory plays with offsets although the drive train not changed
Title: Re: wheels
Post by: 05omegav6 on 19 August 2013, 13:41:28
Name a one newer rwd Vx with an offset of 39...
Title: Re: wheels
Post by: cem_devecioglu on 19 August 2013, 14:01:43
Name a one newer rwd Vx with an offset of 39...

first you answer my question  :)
Title: Re: wheels
Post by: Rods2 on 19 August 2013, 19:19:44
Cem,

In the UK, the law is on the insurers side. If you fail to declare ANYTHING that should be reasonably declared, then your insurance will be invalid with the full backing of the law. This in practice means any non-standard modification to a motor vehicle. Even painting a GT stripe will invalidate your insurance if it is not declared as they will deem if they had known, this would have been an increased risk factor.

Where the insurance will still stand is for any 3rd party damage, but with fully comprehensive insurance it will NOT cover your damage as they will cancel the policy.

Yes, you can go to the insurance ombudsman, some cases will be upheld and some rejected. After that, the next course of action would be to take it to court, but this is very expensive and unless you could show that the ombudsman have ignored some significant evidence or had made a clear mistake, you would probably lose again.

Policy wordings are carefully drafted legal documents, but there are occasional loopholes, a particular set of circumstances that are unclear in the policy wording or during the sales process. Then the insurance company may accept or reject the claim on how close the circumstances fit the intent of the policy wording and it is in these circumstances that an Ombudsman's ruling may be required. The insurance company will then quickly revise the policy wording to close the loophole or make the intent of the policy clearer.

There are strict rules enforced by the Financial Conduct Authority (FCA) on what you can and can't say when selling an insurance policy and insurance companies have compliance officers to make sure these are upheld.

So, yes there are shades of grey, but if you don't declare a modification then that is generally black and white.
Title: Re: wheels
Post by: cem_devecioglu on 19 August 2013, 19:56:57
Cem,

In the UK, the law is on the insurers side. If you fail to declare ANYTHING that should be reasonably declared, then your insurance will be invalid with the full backing of the law. This in practice means any non-standard modification to a motor vehicle. Even painting a GT stripe will invalidate your insurance if it is not declared as they will deem if they had known, this would have been an increased risk factor.

Where the insurance will still stand is for any 3rd party damage, but with fully comprehensive insurance it will NOT cover your damage as they will cancel the policy.

Yes, you can go to the insurance ombudsman, some cases will be upheld and some rejected. After that, the next course of action would be to take it to court, but this is very expensive and unless you could show that the ombudsman have ignored some significant evidence or had made a clear mistake, you would probably lose again.

Policy wordings are carefully drafted legal documents, but there are occasional loopholes, a particular set of circumstances that are unclear in the policy wording or during the sales process. Then the insurance company may accept or reject the claim on how close the circumstances fit the intent of the policy wording and it is in these circumstances that an Ombudsman's ruling may be required. The insurance company will then quickly revise the policy wording to close the loophole or make the intent of the policy clearer.

There are strict rules enforced by the Financial Conduct Authority (FCA) on what you can and can't say when selling an insurance policy and insurance companies have compliance officers to make sure these are upheld.

So, yes there are shades of grey, but if you don't declare a modification then that is generally black and white.

thanks for the long clarification Rods..  as I stated earlier, there are 2 solutions, either you talk with the insurance and see what they say , in case they accept, no problem.. if not you are on your own either you use this set and take responsibility in case you hit someone..

or directly ignore probabilities and use them.. 

however, I still see no apparent reason not to use them as even 195 tyres are an omega standard..

besides, I can bet that a large number of cars used in UK can be found "faulty" because of some different , wheel, tyre, mods or for another reason..


and finally back to the original question, will signum wheels  fit omega or not.. yes they will fit ;)
Title: Re: wheels
Post by: 05omegav6 on 19 August 2013, 20:30:02
Name a one newer rwd Vx with an offset of 39...

first you answer my question  :)
I wasn't aware you had ::)

Signum/Vectra C wheels will technically fit as the wheel bolt PCD is the same 110mm, that does NOT mean that they actually fit the design requirements decided by the designer.

Quite frankly your obstinance is starting to grate :-X
Title: Re: wheels
Post by: TheBoy on 19 August 2013, 20:33:14
however, I still see no apparent reason not to use them as even 195 tyres are an omega standard..
Let me put it another way. Lets say I owned an M3, which comes with bloody enormous Z rated boots. Would it be sensible to run it on the narrowest, lowest speed rated tyre that BMW fit to any 3 series?

No, of course not.
Title: Re: wheels
Post by: cem_devecioglu on 19 August 2013, 20:41:47
Name a one newer rwd Vx with an offset of 39...

first you answer my question  :)
I wasn't aware you had ::)

Signum/Vectra C wheels will technically fit as the wheel bolt PCD is the same 110mm, that does NOT mean that they actually fit the design requirements decided by the designer.

Quite frankly your obstinance is starting to grate :-X

sorry I dont know any word like "obstinance " and cant find in dictionaries ;D

and for your information I have used 16 wheels with 215/55-16 tyres for long years without any  :) problem..

Title: Re: wheels
Post by: cem_devecioglu on 19 August 2013, 20:42:46
however, I still see no apparent reason not to use them as even 195 tyres are an omega standard..
Let me put it another way. Lets say I owned an M3, which comes with bloody enormous Z rated boots. Would it be sensible to run it on the narrowest, lowest speed rated tyre that BMW fit to any 3 series?

No, of course not.

depends on the driver  ::) s driving style ;D ;D
Title: Re: wheels
Post by: chrisgixer on 19 August 2013, 20:49:56
Name a one newer rwd Vx with an offset of 39...

first you answer my question  :)
I wasn't aware you had ::)

Signum/Vectra C wheels will technically fit as the wheel bolt PCD is the same 110mm, that does NOT mean that they actually fit the design requirements decided by the designer.

Quite frankly your obstinance is starting to grate :-X

sorry I dont know any word like "obstinance " and cant find in dictionaries ;D



https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=obstinance&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en&client=safari
Title: Re: wheels
Post by: 05omegav6 on 19 August 2013, 20:50:40
Is Google broken? TFFT.

Bet you don't use longer wheel bolts for your spacers either... not that it matters because you are always so wrong in fact, that you might just be right ???
Title: Re: wheels
Post by: cem_devecioglu on 19 August 2013, 20:51:35
Name a one newer rwd Vx with an offset of 39...

first you answer my question  :)
I wasn't aware you had ::)

Signum/Vectra C wheels will technically fit as the wheel bolt PCD is the same 110mm, that does NOT mean that they actually fit the design requirements decided by the designer.

Quite frankly your obstinance is starting to grate :-X

sorry I dont know any word like "obstinance " and cant find in dictionaries ;D



https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=obstinance&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en&client=safari (https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=obstinance&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en&client=safari)

thanks for the help Chris ;D
Title: Re: wheels
Post by: chrisgixer on 19 August 2013, 20:52:29
Name a one newer rwd Vx with an offset of 39...

first you answer my question  :)
I wasn't aware you had ::)

Signum/Vectra C wheels will technically fit as the wheel bolt PCD is the same 110mm, that does NOT mean that they actually fit the design requirements decided by the designer.

Quite frankly your obstinance is starting to grate :-X

sorry I dont know any word like "obstinance " and cant find in dictionaries ;D



https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=obstinance&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en&client=safari (https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=obstinance&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en&client=safari)

thanks for the help Chris ;D

For someone who quotes random links to pr


Oh never mind! ::)
Title: Re: wheels
Post by: cem_devecioglu on 19 August 2013, 20:54:12
Is Google broken? TFFT.

Bet you don't use longer wheel bolts for your spacers either... not that it matters because you are always so wrong in fact, that you might just be right ???

I'm curious why are you still  trying to find my mistake ..  believe me you are not the first.. ;)

but you have to try harder..
Title: Re: wheels
Post by: cem_devecioglu on 19 August 2013, 20:54:53
Name a one newer rwd Vx with an offset of 39...

first you answer my question  :)
I wasn't aware you had ::)

Signum/Vectra C wheels will technically fit as the wheel bolt PCD is the same 110mm, that does NOT mean that they actually fit the design requirements decided by the designer.

Quite frankly your obstinance is starting to grate :-X

sorry I dont know any word like "obstinance " and cant find in dictionaries ;D



https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=obstinance&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en&client=safari (https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=obstinance&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en&client=safari)

thanks for the help Chris ;D

For someone who quotes random links to pr


Oh never mind! ::)

be patient.. I'll give you the chance ;)
Title: Re: wheels
Post by: TheBoy on 19 August 2013, 20:55:27
however, I still see no apparent reason not to use them as even 195 tyres are an omega standard..
Let me put it another way. Lets say I owned an M3, which comes with bloody enormous Z rated boots. Would it be sensible to run it on the narrowest, lowest speed rated tyre that BMW fit to any 3 series?

No, of course not.

depends on the driver  ::) s driving style ;D ;D
I need to find a wall, I need a headache.
Title: Re: wheels
Post by: cem_devecioglu on 19 August 2013, 20:56:52
however, I still see no apparent reason not to use them as even 195 tyres are an omega standard..
Let me put it another way. Lets say I owned an M3, which comes with bloody enormous Z rated boots. Would it be sensible to run it on the narrowest, lowest speed rated tyre that BMW fit to any 3 series?

No, of course not.

depends on the driver  ::) s driving style ;D ;D
I need to find a wall, I need a headache.

relax ,you are the admin ;D :y
Title: Re: wheels
Post by: 05omegav6 on 19 August 2013, 21:00:46
Got one here if you need it TB >:( along with a dose of blood pressure and an unexplained, intense and almost overwhelming urge to beat ten bells of poo out of summat...

Had enough of retarded people today :-X
Title: Re: wheels
Post by: cem_devecioglu on 19 August 2013, 21:03:37
Got one here if you need it TB >:( along with a dose of blood pressure and an unexplained, intense and almost overwhelming urge to beat ten bells of poo out of summat...

Had enough of retarded people today :-X

its the second time you are doing this Al.. >:(

I think its time for the admins to take action :(
Title: Re: wheels
Post by: chrisgixer on 19 August 2013, 21:29:43
Your right there cem. Pmsl ;D
Title: Re: wheels
Post by: 05omegav6 on 19 August 2013, 21:32:49
Add yourself to the list if you want... makes no odds to me :y
Title: Re: wheels
Post by: kevinp58 on 19 August 2013, 21:35:21
Just ignore him and his comments and don't lower to his levels.  :y :y :y ;D ;D
Title: Re: wheels
Post by: chrisgixer on 19 August 2013, 21:37:28
Just ignore him and his comments and don't lower to his levels.  :y :y :y ;D ;D

What's that quote? " don't argue with an eejit, they just drag you down and beat you with experience" or something like. ;D
Title: Re: wheels
Post by: chrisgixer on 19 August 2013, 21:40:48
will 16" wheels from a signum fit on a omega

Generally, given wheel fouling issues with tyres rubbing the shock, its better to stick with omega ET's.
...also they will look slightly tucked under by comparison. Its surprising how much difference a few mill will make.

But you might be lucky. Check with your insurer first though. ;)
Title: Re: wheels
Post by: cem_devecioglu on 19 August 2013, 21:43:53
Add yourself to the list if you want... makes no odds to me :y

Al, if your patience is not enough to discuss and you prefer to insult people instead then I recommend you too see a doc immediately..

Title: Re: wheels
Post by: cem_devecioglu on 19 August 2013, 21:44:54
Your right there cem. Pmsl ;D

I dont see anything funny Chris, you are constantly attacking me with your teammate, but as I said you have to be patient..

may be I'll give you a chance ;D :P
Title: Re: wheels
Post by: cem_devecioglu on 19 August 2013, 21:46:03
Just ignore him and his comments and don't lower to his levels.  :y :y :y ;D ;D

who you are ?  where were you during the discussion ? you dont know nothing and land on the subject with a parachute..

go watch some boxing match >:(
Title: Re: wheels
Post by: chrisgixer on 19 August 2013, 21:46:22
Add yourself to the list if you want... makes no odds to me :y
What ET are your stillas Al? Lovely they are. :)
Title: Re: wheels
Post by: cem_devecioglu on 19 August 2013, 21:48:06
bunch of loosers..  :P
Title: Re: wheels
Post by: chrisgixer on 19 August 2013, 21:48:31
Just ignore him and his comments and don't lower to his levels.  :y :y :y ;D ;D

My wheels where refurbed and they've bubbled up within a year. Doh!


::)
Title: Re: wheels
Post by: 05omegav6 on 19 August 2013, 21:52:09
Add yourself to the list if you want... makes no odds to me :y
What ET are your stillas Al? Lovely they are. :)
Thanks :y they're a factory happy ET33 :y

will 16" wheels from a signum fit on a omega

Generally, given wheel fouling issues with tyres rubbing the shock, its better to stick with omega ET's.
...also they will look slightly tucked under by comparison. Its surprising how much difference a few mill will make.

But you might be lucky. Check with your insurer first though. ;)
What he said :y
Title: Re: wheels
Post by: cem_devecioglu on 19 August 2013, 21:52:26
Just ignore him and his comments and don't lower to his levels.  :y :y :y ;D ;D

My wheels where refurbed and they've bubbled up within a year. Doh!


 ::)

find some proper painter ;D
Title: Re: wheels
Post by: chrisgixer on 19 August 2013, 21:53:46
Just ignore him and his comments and don't lower to his levels.  :y :y :y ;D ;D

My wheels where refurbed and they've bubbled up within a year. Doh!


::)

Should add, they area udder coated. ;)

Or even powder coated. ;D
Title: Re: wheels
Post by: kevinp58 on 19 August 2013, 22:11:48
Just ignore him and his comments and don't lower to his levels.  :y :y :y ;D ;D

My wheels where refurbed and they've bubbled up within a year. Doh!


::)

Should add, they area udder coated. ;)

Or even powder coated. ;D








 :y ;D ;D that wouldn't of happened if they were 15" steel rims  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: wheels
Post by: 05omegav6 on 19 August 2013, 22:13:52
The paint would stick nicely to the rust ;D

A word of caution, be sure to fit the correct size tyres though :y
Title: Re: wheels
Post by: cem_devecioglu on 19 August 2013, 22:14:36
ok.. I'm off , you can play alone ;)
Title: Re: wheels
Post by: chrisgixer on 19 August 2013, 22:19:13
Just ignore him and his comments and don't lower to his levels.  :y :y :y ;D ;D

My wheels where refurbed and they've bubbled up within a year. Doh!


::)

Should add, they area udder coated. ;)

Or even powder coated. ;D








 :y ;D ;D that wouldn't of happened if they were 15" steel rims  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

I've got some 50mm wheel spacers somewhere, they'll go nice with the original bolts too. ;D
Title: Re: wheels
Post by: 05omegav6 on 19 August 2013, 22:20:19
Don't forget to paint them with Coffeemate as well so that they match the wheels ;D
Title: Re: wheels
Post by: kevinp58 on 19 August 2013, 22:20:36
Just ignore him and his comments and don't lower to his levels.  :y :y :y ;D ;D

My wheels where refurbed and they've bubbled up within a year. Doh!


::)

Should add, they area udder coated. ;)

Or even powder coated. ;D








 :y ;D ;D that wouldn't of happened if they were 15" steel rims  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

I've got some 50mm wheel spacers somewhere, they'll go nice with the original bolts too. ;D







 :y :y ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: wheels
Post by: chrisgixer on 19 August 2013, 22:24:58
Don't forget to paint them with Coffeemate as well so that they match the wheels ;D

Ooh we're getting into Andy P territory now, he likes a bit of Coppers slip Coffeemate ;D
Title: Re: wheels
Post by: bago on 20 August 2013, 06:52:23
hi guys thanks for all the advice will take the safety route as don't want to affect handling in any way so will just get rid of signum wheels. it has been interesting to read all the comments and facts.

ps I thought it was only tyres threads that got everyone getting the pop corn out ;D
Title: Re: wheels
Post by: Broomies Mate on 20 August 2013, 16:12:48
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Title: Re: wheels
Post by: chrisgixer on 20 August 2013, 16:16:05
Apart from the text you mean...? ;D
Title: Re: wheels
Post by: Broomies Mate on 20 August 2013, 16:21:36
Apart from the text you mean...? ;D

Well of course!  ;D
Title: Re: wheels
Post by: kevinp58 on 20 August 2013, 19:23:13
Apart from the text you mean...? ;D

Well of course!  ;D






 ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: wheels
Post by: cem_devecioglu on 20 August 2013, 22:52:20
some people seem to forget that this is general help section ::)
Title: Re: wheels
Post by: chrisgixer on 20 August 2013, 23:00:13
Apart from the text you mean...? ;D

Well of course!  ;D






 ;D ;D ;D

Oh well, "we're" beyond help now. ;D
Title: Re: wheels
Post by: cem_devecioglu on 20 August 2013, 23:23:10
Apart from the text you mean...? ;D

Well of course!  ;D






 ;D ;D ;D

Oh well, "we're" beyond help now. ;D

or below ::)
Title: Re: wheels
Post by: chrisgixer on 20 August 2013, 23:30:21
hi guys thanks for all the advice will take the safety route as don't want to affect handling in any way so will just get rid of signum wheels. it has been interesting to read all the comments and facts.

ps I thought it was only tyres threads that got everyone getting the pop corn out ;D
I'm glad you found it helpful in the end, we have to leave the op to judge what's best and who's opinion to take on board. So from the point of view it's fairly obvious for you I think. ;)

Which signum wheels are they btw...? :)

Title: Re: wheels
Post by: cem_devecioglu on 20 August 2013, 23:34:21
hi guys thanks for all the advice will take the safety route as don't want to affect handling in any way so will just get rid of signum wheels. it has been interesting to read all the comments and facts.

ps I thought it was only tyres threads that got everyone getting the pop corn out ;D
I'm glad you found it helpful in the end, we have to leave the op to judge what's best and who's opinion to take on board. So from the point of view it's fairly obvious for you I think. ;)

Which signum wheels are they btw...? :)

yep.. you scared the hell out of him and he has given up to try ;D
Title: Re: wheels
Post by: P6UL K on 21 August 2013, 00:01:48
will 16" wheels from a signum fit on a omega

And I bet you thought you were asking a simple question!  ::)

Beware doing so in the future, the Omega GODS will pounce on you!!  :-X
Title: Re: wheels
Post by: bago on 21 August 2013, 05:29:48
hi guys thanks for all the advice will take the safety route as don't want to affect handling in any way so will just get rid of signum wheels. it has been interesting to read all the comments and facts.

ps I thought it was only tyres threads that got everyone getting the pop corn out ;D
I'm glad you found it helpful in the end, we have to leave the op to judge what's best and who's opinion to take on board. So from the point of view it's fairly obvious for you I think. ;)

Which signum wheels are they btw...? :)
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These are the same as the onesi have on the signum im going to scrap
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/VAUXHALL-SIGNUM-16-INCH-ALLOY-WHEEL-FREE-P-P-/121008834478?pt=UK_CarParts_Acc_Wheels_tyres_Trims_Car_Rims_ET&hash=item1c2cb047ae#ht_1313wt_1141