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Omega Help Area => Omega General Help => Topic started by: Mr.OmegaMan on 28 August 2013, 01:55:27
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... What type To mix with antifreeze. I have hard water from the mains and my waterbut doesn't have a filter I could use a cloth or something as a filter possibly :-\..
I'm planning on getting this Antifreeze.... Unless there's a better offer available at the time of purchase.
Comma SLA5L 5L Super Red Antifreeze and Coolant Concentrated
http://amazon.co.uk/dp/B00544L3M6
Also, I'm I correct in thinking boiling water from the tap and let it cool is distilled water of good enough quality ?
I'm going to attempt this on the Omega soon especially before winter...
Thanks
:)
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Best is distilled water, de-ionised is close as far as I can tell (and not bad for the system as an old myth says). Eurocar parts were doing 5l for £1.94 inc delivery last month! Boiled water is not much like distilled but better than tap. Unless you boil it dry and condense the steam in which case it is distilled water. Soft tap water is much better than hard, I think Welsh water is soft. Your 3.2 will take almost exactly 5l of antifreeze and 5l of water, well my 2.6 did anyway. Officially 9.7l for the manual, 9.5l for auto.
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Best is distilled water, de-ionised is close as far as I can tell (and not bad for the system as an old myth says). Eurocar parts were doing 5l for £1.94 inc delivery last month! Boiled water is not much like distilled but better than tap. Unless you boil it dry and condense the steam in which case it is distilled water. Soft tap water is much better than hard, I think Welsh water is soft. Your 3.2 will take almost exactly 5l of antifreeze and 5l of water, well my 2.6 did anyway. Officially 9.7l for the manual, 9.5l for auto.
Still £1.94 from EuroCarParts... CarPlan brand as well..
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Will wait for more responses before purchasing :y
Looking on google De-Ionised water gets mixed reviews.. Yes I actualy looked for threads/reviews about water ::) :D ;D ;D
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Thinking about it "Water" was such a simple thing back in Adams day ::) .. Now there's so many different types of "liquid"... :o
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Only ever use de ionised/distilled water in any of my cars :y
Was a piece of advice passed on from a mates Dad :y
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There's always pre-mixed coolant if you're unsure, although it works out a lot more expensive thanks using concentrated.
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I wouldn't have thought it would matter much if you use a 50/50 mixture. The additives in the antifreeze will go a long way towards neutralising anything nasty in the water, then again, if you can get distilled water cheap enough, why not? Rain water from the water butt would be the next bet followed by tap water. Boiling it probably won't remove much hardness, so I wouldn't bother.
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water hardness map http://www.bristan.com/watermap (http://www.bristan.com/watermap) although take with a pinch of salt as true sofidioter is only available in a few isolated spots.
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When my Head Gasket failed I was a bit shocked at how much limescale there was in the Block waterways. I always use De-Ionised water too but my saloon had not been looked after in the years before I got her and it's not beyond the bounds of credibility that there may be a link between the scale build-up and eventual HG failure :-\
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£1.94 for 5L delivered isn't too bad then from EuroCarParts De-Ionised :-\ .. I'd have to buy 10-15L of the stuff enough for flushing also ?
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If you're changing the water pump, I'd flush with a hose until the water runs clear, then remove the pump and allow the block to drain. I wouldn't bother with deionised water if not changing the pump, as it'll be half full of tap water before you add any coolant, and you'd have to flush with a ton of deionised water to change that.
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Get a water butt installed "not on the car" ;D Then have free soft water for nowt , thats all i use in mine now + antifreeze of course :y
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Just installed a rainwater capture system in my garage, actually. Pumped up to a header tank in the roof space so I can feed my pressure washer from it. :y
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Water pump isn't due and sounds fine, Who'd think it would be this complicated to chose between water types :o
Simplest thing to do would be to filter the water from the waterbut and the cheapest option.
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Just installed a rainwater capture system in my garage, actually. Pumped up to a header tank in the roof space so I can feed my pressure washer from it. :y
I got about 300 litres or more catching rain water of 2 sheds :) Very handy :y
Yes mine is filtered , i would drink it but only when water is as dear as gold ;D
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Read the title wrong ::)
Adnams Beer, Broadside, Gunhill, Southwold, English Red Ale, Tally Ho, Hmmm, Hic.. :)
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Read the title wrong ::)
Adnams Beer, Broadside, Gunhill, Southwold, English Red Ale, Tally Ho, Hmmm, Hic.. :)
Easily done :y
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Yeah, don't use Broadside as a coolant on a hot day.. everything goes all wobbly. :D
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Yeah, don't use Broadside as a coolant on a hot day.. everything goes all wobbly. :D
;D ;D ;D :y
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Could someone point me in the direction of the "HowTo" guide on a 3.2 engine coolant change guide can't seem to find one :-\ :)
And what does everyone think about the Antifreeze choice in my #1 post. Will it be compatible ?
Thanks in advance ;)
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Could someone point me in the direction of the "HowTo" guide on a 3.2 engine coolant change guide can't seem to find one :-\ :)
And what does everyone think about the Antifreeze choice in my #1 post. Will it be compatible ?
Thanks in advance ;)
Thats what i put in mine together with soft water :y
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Could someone point me in the direction of the "HowTo" guide on a 3.2 engine coolant change guide can't seem to find one :-\ :)
And what does everyone think about the Antifreeze choice in my #1 post. Will it be compatible ?
Thanks in advance ;)
Thats what i put in mine together with soft water :y
Was going to buy GM long life but this stuff is a decent brand and a reasonable price delivered next day free (I've got amazon prime free trial atm) :y
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Thanks tunnie this will come in handy :y
http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/index.php?topic=90625.0
and i like the sound of this method from Jimbob :y
"An alternative filling arrangement is :-
Repeat flushing with water only, until the drained water is completely clear.
Now drain the system again, and then close the drain tap.
The car will now have about 1/2 the required fluid (Water) in it.
Add neat antifreeze :-
for a V6 which hold 9 litres, add 4.5 litres of neat antifreeze
for a 4 pot which holds 6 litres, add 3 litres of neat antifreeze.
You can now, top up to the correct level with water.
Run the car up to temperature, with heaters set to Hi, burping hoses to expel any air. Topping up with water as necessary.
Any future top ups, use a 50/50 mix to maintain the concentration."
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Any harm using 100% coolant.
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Any harm using 100% coolant.
i'm not sure why (just got told by my teacher) but using 100% antifreeze renders it useless and as good as putting 100% water in. not sure how true that is but I wouldn't :y
I personally just use tap water with my 50/50 mix.
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Ooooo this is a new concept to me! :o I've never thought of water hardness/softness and have always used tapwater! ::)
What a philistine!! :)
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I personally just use tap water with my 50/50 mix.
You shouldn't do that in Northampton your water is hard, well hard. Check the instructions on your antifreeze.
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Ooooo this is a new concept to me! :o I've never thought of water hardness/softness and have always used tapwater! ::)
What a philistine!! :)
I tend to over think things i think, Well i think i tend to at least, I think i do ::) ;D :-X
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I put in a 72 rekord last year better add water. :y
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I personally just use tap water with my 50/50 mix.
You shouldn't do that in Northampton your water is hard, well hard. Check the instructions on your antifreeze.
We're all well 'ard in Northampton mate. GRRRR :y :y :y
In seriousness I didn't know about water hardness. never had a problem before :y
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Is this the thing I should unscrew ?
(http://i1158.photobucket.com/albums/p620/Agemo_Legend/BFADEA21-0D27-47ED-B1C9-98BA6D84FCEB-2788-000001A6421120B7_zpsc54f50a2.jpg)
Just took that picture, only thing I could see that resembled a drain plug on the passenger side of the Elite ???
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I personally just use tap water with my 50/50 mix.
You shouldn't do that in Northampton your water is hard, well hard. Check the instructions on your antifreeze.
We're all well 'ard in Northampton mate. GRRRR :y :y :y
In seriousness I didn't know about water hardness. never had a problem before :y
Put your moobs away Mr Bear ;D
The harder the water, the more minerals in it. The more hard water in your engine, the more limescale in it :'(
You don't use distilled water in your kettle and I bet you buy a new one every couple of years because it's all furred up and fubared ::)
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Is this the thing I should unscrew ?
(http://i1158.photobucket.com/albums/p620/Agemo_Legend/BFADEA21-0D27-47ED-B1C9-98BA6D84FCEB-2788-000001A6421120B7_zpsc54f50a2.jpg)
Just took that picture, only thing I could see that resembled a drain plug on the passenger side of the Elite ???
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Is this the thing I should unscrew ?
(http://i1158.photobucket.com/albums/p620/Agemo_Legend/BFADEA21-0D27-47ED-B1C9-98BA6D84FCEB-2788-000001A6421120B7_zpsc54f50a2.jpg)
Just took that picture, only thing I could see that resembled a drain plug on the passenger side of the Elite ???
That is where it should be :-\ There should be a plastic drain plug (often red) and a spout that you can push a small hose onto to direct the coolant into a suitable containerbucket.
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I think you should collect a sample of your coolant and send it off for analysis. :)
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Two things wrong with that pic...
1. That is what you unscrew, but it's a cheapy pattern radiator, so all bets are off.
2. You're one winter away from needing a new aircon condensor.
Washing up bowl under that cap and unscrew it. You can flush coolant down the toilet, but not down a street drain :y
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Two things wrong with that pic...
1. That is what you unscrew, but it's a cheapy pattern radiator, so all bets are off.
2. You're one winter away from needing a new aircon condensor.
Washing up bowl under that cap and unscrew it. You can flush coolant down the toilet, but not down a street drain :y
Ah :(
A/C Condenser isn't that old going by receipts only a few years...
We don't have street drains just a septic tank that gets emptied every so often.
... Should be fun this job then ::)
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Two things wrong with that pic...
1. That is what you unscrew, but it's a cheapy pattern radiator, so all bets are off.
2. You're one winter away from needing a new aircon condensor.
Washing up bowl under that cap and unscrew it. You can flush coolant down the toilet, but not down a street drain :y
Ah :(
A/C Condenser isn't that old going by receipts only a few years...
We don't have street drains just a septic tank that gets emptied every so often.
... Should be fun this job then ::)
Hasn't stopped the bottom row of fins from starting to fall off ::) left of your pic, just above the subframe :y
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Two things wrong with that pic...
1. That is what you unscrew, but it's a cheapy pattern radiator, so all bets are off.
2. You're one winter away from needing a new aircon condensor.
Washing up bowl under that cap and unscrew it. You can flush coolant down the toilet, but not down a street drain :y
Ah :(
A/C Condenser isn't that old going by receipts only a few years...
We don't have street drains just a septic tank that gets emptied every so often.
... Should be fun this job then ::)
Hasn't stopped the bottom row of fins from starting to fall off ::) left of your pic, just above the subframe :y
Must be a cheap pattern part. Typical of S Wales ::) ;D
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As far as putting water in the kettle you are changing the water every time you use it in the car the same water stays in for at least one year and a lot longer for most cars,
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True, but that years old water in the car is basically boiling 95% of the time :y
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But there is only a certain amount of calcium in the water and once that has deposited thats it .
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True, but that years old water in the car is basically boiling 95% of the time :y
Yes, but it's not evaporating, and it's the same water going round for years, so it only has a limited amount of scale to deposit before it's become soft water. In the same way, your central heating boiler won't scale up, even in a hard water area, heat exchangers in combo boilers excepted.
In addition, antifreeze will contain inhibitors to prevent scale forming.
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Come to Cornwall to fill up,our water is luverly and soft down ere :y :y
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So around 5L should come out of the radiator plug, Trying to find a container big enough that will slide underneath..
Not sure where to put the waste to be honest, The septic tank has an overflow I believe to the field next to the house underground and there are currently cattle and horses in there.
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Two things wrong with that pic...
1. That is what you unscrew, but it's a cheapy pattern radiator, so all bets are off.
2. You're one winter away from needing a new aircon condensor.
Washing up bowl under that cap and unscrew it. You can flush coolant down the toilet, but not down a street drain :y
You learn something every day on here ;D I didnt realize you could use the bog ::)
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Bog water gets processed, street drains don't :y
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Bog water gets processed, street drains don't :y
Best not throw a fag down after though ::) ;D
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The antifreeze will help during the winter months from freezing the S##T ;D
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The antifreeze will help during the winter months from freezing the S##T ;D
Not before it has killed all the cats, and wild life first
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The antifreeze will help during the winter months from freezing the S##T ;D
Not before it has killed all the cats, and wild life first
You said down the Bog ???, There should be a better system in place for chemicals like these.. Then again the excuse they could use is it should be done at a garage.
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The antifreeze will help during the winter months from freezing the S##T ;D
Not before it has killed all the cats, and wild life first
You said down the Bog ???, There should be a better system in place for chemicals like these.. Then again the excuse they could use is it should be done at a garage.
Local tip should have a place :) Years ago i use to paint the fence in used engine oil and anti freeze but dont bother now .
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The antifreeze will help during the winter months from freezing the S##T ;D
Not before it has killed all the cats, and wild life first
You said down the Bog ???, There should be a better system in place for chemicals like these.. Then again the excuse they could use is it should be done at a garage.
Local tip should have a place :) Years ago i use to paint the fence in used engine oil and anti freeze but dont bother now .
Bet they didn't get wood rot :o :y
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Just out of curiosity does anyone know how much a VX dealer would charge to change the coolant.
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Our local tip has hazardous waste amnesty days or you can ring the local council and ask them. (Probably tell you to tip it down the bog ;D)
Stick it in a container,mark it up and leave it outside the local kwik fit ;D :y
PS A good source of free 5/10 ltr plastic containers for oil change etc is from your local pub/chip shop/cafe. :y
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The antifreeze will help during the winter months from freezing the S##T ;D
Not before it has killed all the cats, and wild life first
You said down the Bog ???, There should be a better system in place for chemicals like these.. Then again the excuse they could use is it should be done at a garage.
Flushed down the toilet is fine :y (though if you have a sceptic tank check with whoever empties it as they might pour it into the nearest stream :-\). If it has an open overflow probably not such a bright idea :-\
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The antifreeze will help during the winter months from freezing the S##T ;D
Not before it has killed all the cats, and wild life first
You said down the Bog ???, There should be a better system in place for chemicals like these.. Then again the excuse they could use is it should be done at a garage.
Flushed down the toilet is fine :y (though if you have a sceptic tank check with whoever empties it). Using it to de ice the drive is criminal, which unless I can't read, is what You suggested ::)
Yeah on the main sewerage lines in cities etc. i'm sure thats fine, Na no i meant de-ice the sewerage pipes i.e. where the S##T travels to its destination, They freeze up here when its really cold, I wouldn't use it on a drive got pets and where did i mention the word drive ??? ::) ;D.
Think i'm over thinking this situation. :-\
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Our local tip has hazardous waste amnesty days or you can ring the local council and ask them. (Probably tell you to tip it down the bog ;D)
Stick it in a container,mark it up and leave it outside the local kwik fit ;D :y
PS A good source of free 5/10 ltr plastic containers for oil change etc is from your local pub/chip shop/cafe. :y
Nearest one to me around 30 miles :-\
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The antifreeze will help during the winter months from freezing the S##T ;D
Not before it has killed all the cats, and wild life first
You said down the Bog ???, There should be a better system in place for chemicals like these.. Then again the excuse they could use is it should be done at a garage.
Flushed down the toilet is fine :y (though if you have a sceptic tank check with whoever empties it as they might pour it into the nearest stream :-\). If it has an open overflow probably not such a bright idea :-\
That's my worry.. The company who empties it is a fairly big firm, No idea where they empty it though..
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The antifreeze will help during the winter months from freezing the S##T ;D
Not before it has killed all the cats, and wild life first
You said down the Bog ???, There should be a better system in place for chemicals like these.. Then again the excuse they could use is it should be done at a garage.
Flushed down the toilet is fine :y (though if you have a sceptic tank check with whoever empties it as they might pour it into the nearest stream :-\). If it has an open overflow probably not such a bright idea :-\
That's my worry.. The company who empties it is a fairly big firm, No idea where they empty it though..
Down the bog ;D ;D ;D
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Think i'm over thinking this situation. :-\
I don't think so, but don't forget to save a sample to send off for analysis. ;)
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Think i'm over thinking this situation. :-\
I don't think so, but don't forget to save a sample to send off for analysis. ;)
The only options i have that i can see without causing too much hassle..
1. Take a gamble with the bog method. (Too risky in my eyes)
2. Put the waste in bottles or a container (with flushing there will be a lot of liquid) to take to the waste centre some 30miles. But I don't know if the take antifreeze haven't checked. This is only a possible option.
3. Leave it as it is and to hell with all this just add a but of new red stuff (I like this option ::) :P)
4. Take it to a garage to get done.
5. Sell it on eBay for 0.01p & free delivery or collection only, someone's bound to buy it, Those eBay sheep will flock.
6. ...........................................................................?
7. ...........................................................................?
....I'll take a sample with a syringe also for good measure :y ;D
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Received the Antifreeze a few days ago, Have't had time to do it as of yet.
Says on the bottle this stuff has poison prevention safeguard. Should make things simpler next time.
(http://i1158.photobucket.com/albums/p620/Agemo_Legend/39B33617-A706-4AC4-B106-D612BEA51034-8060-000004FB2D9E607B_zpsbdc4d1f7.jpg) (http://s1158.photobucket.com/user/Agemo_Legend/media/39B33617-A706-4AC4-B106-D612BEA51034-8060-000004FB2D9E607B_zpsbdc4d1f7.jpg.html)
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Received the Antifreeze a few days ago, Have't had time to do it as of yet.
Says on the bottle this stuff has poison prevention safeguard. Should make things simpler next time.
It is still toxic :( it just has 'bitterex' added so that creatures aren't attracted to the sweet taste of antifreeze if you leave a puddle on the ground.
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Try typing your postcode into this gov.uk website Hazardous Waste Disposal (https://www.gov.uk/hazardous-waste-disposal)
If you are lucky it will take you to the waste disposal page for your local council (and tell you that they will accept it)
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Try typing your postcode into this gov.uk website Hazardous Waste Disposal (https://www.gov.uk/hazardous-waste-disposal)
If you are lucky it will take you to the waste disposal page for your local council (and tell you that they will accept it)
Thanks Andy ;). Says the nearest Council office is some 13 miles away I'd say, Probably have to give them a call get more info :y
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I live in a very hard water area and have always used a water filter. The kettle never furs up and so far my washers are clear so hopefully the radiator is also clear. Only problem is the cost of the filters which are Brita.
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Received the Antifreeze a few days ago, Have't had time to do it as of yet.
Says on the bottle this stuff has poison prevention safeguard. Should make things simpler next time.
It is still toxic :( it just has 'bitterex' added so that creatures aren't attracted to the sweet taste of antifreeze if you leave a puddle on the ground.
No idea :-\, Probably it Still would kill animals and plants if spilled I should imagine.
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Mr. Omegaman,your inbox is full -again. ;) ;D
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Mr. Omegaman,your inbox is full -again. ;) ;D
Sorry :-[ Should be fine in a few seconds :y