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Title: Computer Advances for Lizzie
Post by: Lizzie_Zoom on 02 September 2013, 12:54:26
I have ordered a new desktop computer, and I wanted to back up all my important files, along with pictures, before I receive it.

I went to Staples and asked what memory devices would be best for the purpose, thinking with my old brain about discs and memory sticks, although I know the latter are too small in memory terms.

I was shown these "Passport" portable hard drives; one with 500GB - ok no surprises there I suppose.  But then I was told about the 1 Terabyte  ---- WOW!!! I was amazed ------ a TERABYTE!! :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o  It was like telling a stone age woman about a fridge!  I know computer power is constantly doubling, and so must the storage capacity, but I never knew we had got to a Terabyte!! ::) ::) ::) :o :o :o

For £64 I left the store with this great device, and a feeling I had at last arrived in the 21st century.  But I felt old!! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;)
Title: Re: Computer Advances for Lizzie
Post by: Gaffers on 02 September 2013, 13:21:01
Ah, you need to pop around to mine once I have finished networking the entire house with Cisco switches, network drives/printers, raspberry pi based media centres (kitchen & bathroom) and consoles  :y

My passport drive follows me around when I am mobile and syncs with the network drive when I get home  :y
Title: Re: Computer Advances for Lizzie
Post by: aaronjb on 02 September 2013, 14:03:33
I have a couple of 1TB portable drives laying about at home .. although I seem to have misplaced one (and that one isn't even mine .. oops!).  That along with 40TB (~30TB usable) of networked storage ;D

Guffer, what are you going to be using on the RPi's? I trialled one in the bedroom with XBMC on but in the end got fed up of the lack of codec support (I have some stuff that is native MPEG2 so while the RPi supports VC-1 etc with additional codec licenses there was still a significant amount of stuff it b0rked at) and bugs (no HD streaming from the TVHeadend box, for example) and replaced it with a near silent mini PC the same as I have downstairs.. but I'd still like to use the RPi's somewhere for music rather than video (say in the garage, bathroom & kitchen)..
Title: Re: Computer Advances for Lizzie
Post by: zirk on 02 September 2013, 14:32:21
Probably the easiest route to go down is get hold of a 2.5 USB drive of your choice, Clone your existing Drive(s) to it, then pull off what you need on to your new machine at your leisure, leaving you with a spare back up drive in the future. You may need to take Ownership / Permissions of the back up drive on the new machine, but thats a doddle on new OS these days.
Title: Re: Computer Advances for Lizzie
Post by: Rog on 02 September 2013, 15:59:55

For £64 I left the store with this great device, and a feeling I had at last arrived in the 21st century.  But I felt old!! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;)

£64 well spent. Although there are all sorts of fancy things you can do, just keeping an independent copy of things that are importent to you makes it worthwhile. In the last few months both my "kids" (well into their 20s) have had laptop failures. Did they have copies or backups ? Well I gave them external drives and memory sticks and synchronisation software. Did they use them ? No. Are they sorry ? Yes, very much so. I resisted the "I told you so . . . . "   ::)
Title: Re: Computer Advances for Lizzie
Post by: SandBoy on 02 September 2013, 16:27:17
And I bet it was the same old "oh shut up Dad" line ;)
Title: Re: Computer Advances for Lizzie
Post by: Gaffers on 02 September 2013, 16:52:13
Guffer, what are you going to be using on the RPi's? I trialled one in the bedroom with XBMC on but in the end got fed up of the lack of codec support (I have some stuff that is native MPEG2 so while the RPi supports VC-1 etc with additional codec licenses there was still a significant amount of stuff it b0rked at) and bugs (no HD streaming from the TVHeadend box, for example) and replaced it with a near silent mini PC the same as I have downstairs.. but I'd still like to use the RPi's somewhere for music rather than video (say in the garage, bathroom & kitchen)..

XMBC too, I know about the codec limitations but there are packs you can get which help.  I have been preparing my media collection in to the compatible formats for the last year anyway :y
Title: Re: Computer Advances for Lizzie
Post by: tunnie on 02 September 2013, 16:57:00
Guffer, what are you going to be using on the RPi's? I trialled one in the bedroom with XBMC on but in the end got fed up of the lack of codec support (I have some stuff that is native MPEG2 so while the RPi supports VC-1 etc with additional codec licenses there was still a significant amount of stuff it b0rked at) and bugs (no HD streaming from the TVHeadend box, for example) and replaced it with a near silent mini PC the same as I have downstairs.. but I'd still like to use the RPi's somewhere for music rather than video (say in the garage, bathroom & kitchen)..

XMBC too, I know about the codec limitations but there are packs you can get which help.  I have been preparing my media collection in to the compatible formats for the last year anyway :y

I was running XBMC on my Pi, also tried Plex on it, both work but very clunky & slow.

I recently bought a NowTV box for £9.99

https://shop.nowtv.com/ (https://shop.nowtv.com/)

It's basically a Roku box, but WiFi only and a restricted apps (easily got around) for £9.99 including HDMI cable it's a bargin. Sky must be selling these at a loss, so can't see them doing these long term.

I put mine in developer mode and installed Plex on it, now links to my PC for all my Media needs. Works very well, much faster than Pi. Also NowTV box has BBC iPlayer, C5 on Demand, Sky News, Radio, Spotify ect.

NowTV for Movies works quite well too, good stream quality and works well.

Planning on getting another, as this one will go hopefully in my new front room with big tv in a "minimal" tech setup of just TV and that box.
Title: Re: Computer Advances for Lizzie
Post by: Gaffers on 02 September 2013, 17:21:04
There are ways to safely overclock the Pi which gets rid of the clunkiness  :y
Title: Re: Computer Advances for Lizzie
Post by: aaronjb on 02 September 2013, 17:36:29
There are ways to safely overclock the Pi which gets rid of the clunkiness  :y

Except it doesn't (in my experience) - I overclocked to the point of instability and it's still hideously slow compared to even an underpowered Atom w/ hardware video acceleration..

The codec support was a killer - it's not possible to decode 720p in software on a Pi ;)
Title: Re: Computer Advances for Lizzie
Post by: Lizzie_Zoom on 02 September 2013, 18:45:07
Ah, you need to pop around to mine once I have finished networking the entire house with Cisco switches, network drives/printers, raspberry pi based media centres (kitchen & bathroom) and consoles :y

My passport drive follows me around when I am mobile and syncs with the network drive when I get home  :y

Oh dear Guffer, it is like reading a foreign language for me.  Now I know I am primitive. I hope I can one day come back as a five year old to master computer technology - well five year old's have far more of a grasp on it than I ever will / have to! ::) ::) ::) :D :D :D ;)
Title: Re: Computer Advances for Lizzie
Post by: Lizzie_Zoom on 02 September 2013, 18:47:55
I have a couple of 1TB portable drives laying about at home .. although I seem to have misplaced one (and that one isn't even mine .. oops!).  That along with 40TB (~30TB usable) of networked storage ;D

Guffer, what are you going to be using on the RPi's? I trialled one in the bedroom with XBMC on but in the end got fed up of the lack of codec support (I have some stuff that is native MPEG2 so while the RPi supports VC-1 etc with additional codec licenses there was still a significant amount of stuff it b0rked at) and bugs (no HD streaming from the TVHeadend box, for example) and replaced it with a near silent mini PC the same as I have downstairs.. but I'd still like to use the RPi's somewhere for music rather than video (say in the garage, bathroom & kitchen)..

What!! :o :o :o :o  Now you are blowing my mind.  Unless you are planning a space run to some distant planet, with full back up, can you ever use all that available storage space? ??? ??? :o :o ;)

PS Yes, I do know that the Apollo missions were accomplished with less computer power than the average smart phone! :o :o ;D ;D ;D :y
Title: Re: Computer Advances for Lizzie
Post by: Shackeng on 02 September 2013, 18:57:21
Ah, you need to pop around to mine once I have finished networking the entire house with Cisco switches, network drives/printers, raspberry pi based media centres (kitchen & bathroom) and consoles :y

My passport drive follows me around when I am mobile and syncs with the network drive when I get home  :y

Oh dear Guffer, it is like reading a foreign language for me.  Now I know I am primitive. I hope I can one day come back as a five year old to master computer technology - well five year old's have far more of a grasp on it than I ever will / have to! ::) ::) ::) :D :D :D ;)

You and me both Lizzie. :-[ :-[ :-[
Title: Re: Computer Advances for Lizzie
Post by: TheBoy on 02 September 2013, 19:05:45
aaronjb, you mention vc-1, but there is also a MPEG2 licence to do MPEG2 in hardware.

My problem with PIs, as I use them as MCE extenders, is their inconsistency with .wtv files over SMB


Lizzie, 1Tb is small fry now. 4Tb disks are readily available in 3.5", 2.5" tends to lag behind. We have racks and racks at each site of disk arrays, from floor to ceiling, of 2.5" 750Gb drives.  Its all very well having this capacity, but its a pain to back up - we're slapping petabytes to tape at each site each and every night.
Title: Re: Computer Advances for Lizzie
Post by: TheBoy on 02 September 2013, 19:07:22
PS Yes, I do know that the Apollo missions were accomplished with less computer power than the average smart phone! :o :o ;D ;D ;D :y
They said it was less powerful than a Sinclair ZX81.  Most smartphones have the power of a 10-12yr old desktop...
Title: Re: Computer Advances for Lizzie
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 02 September 2013, 19:23:12
My 1998 computer came armed with 32MB of RAM  and 4 GB of hard drive.

It was the mutts nuts. :y
Title: Re: Computer Advances for Lizzie
Post by: TheBoy on 02 September 2013, 19:28:12
My 1998 computer came armed with 32MB of RAM  and 4 GB of hard drive.

It was the mutts nuts. :y
Not really enough memory to run MS's premier desktop of the time, NT4 Workstation. 64Mb was the norm in "proper" computers then...
Title: Re: Computer Advances for Lizzie
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 02 September 2013, 19:30:05
My 1998 computer came armed with 32MB of RAM  and 4 GB of hard drive.

It was the mutts nuts. :y
Not really enough memory to run MS's premier desktop of the time, NT4 Workstation. 64Mb was the norm in "proper" computers then...


If memory serves the 'graphics' were a bit shaky. :-\
Title: Re: Computer Advances for Lizzie
Post by: TheBoy on 02 September 2013, 19:33:34
I remember my first 32MB SIMM I bought, £400 cash, dirt cheap (well under half price), because, errr, well, uhmmm, I think the previous owner "borrowed" it from work...
Title: Re: Computer Advances for Lizzie
Post by: TheBoy on 02 September 2013, 19:35:04
And now were slapping in 18 x 32Gb DIMMs (512Gb RAM) in most blades.
Title: Re: Computer Advances for Lizzie
Post by: aaronjb on 02 September 2013, 20:45:26
aaronjb, you mention vc-1, but there is also a MPEG2 licence to do MPEG2 in hardware.

Oops, I think I meant MPEG4.. Definitely MPEG something, and to be fair I only have a couple of those.. most stuff now is H264 which is fine in hardware (or VC1 or MPEG2 for SD stuff). The bug with TVHeadend annoyed me the most, I think.. that and the slowness of the GUI.
Title: Re: Computer Advances for Lizzie
Post by: Vamps on 02 September 2013, 21:01:35
Ah, you need to pop around to mine once I have finished networking the entire house with Cisco switches, network drives/printers, raspberry pi based media centres (kitchen & bathroom) and consoles :y

My passport drive follows me around when I am mobile and syncs with the network drive when I get home  :y

Oh dear Guffer, it is like reading a foreign language for me.  Now I know I am primitive. I hope I can one day come back as a five year old to master computer technology - well five year old's have far more of a grasp on it than I ever will / have to! ::) ::) ::) :D :D :D ;)

You and me both Lizzie. :-[ :-[ :-[

Me too........I hardly ever dare ask a computer question because I will not understand the answer, just like I didn't understand the advice given to you LZ...... ::) ::) :-[
Title: Re: Computer Advances for Lizzie
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 02 September 2013, 21:47:02
Ah, you need to pop around to mine once I have finished networking the entire house with Cisco switches, network drives/printers, raspberry pi based media centres (kitchen & bathroom) and consoles :y

My passport drive follows me around when I am mobile and syncs with the network drive when I get home  :y

Oh dear Guffer, it is like reading a foreign language for me.  Now I know I am primitive. I hope I can one day come back as a five year old to master computer technology - well five year old's have far more of a grasp on it than I ever will / have to! ::) ::) ::) :D :D :D ;)

You and me both Lizzie. :-[ :-[ :-[

Me too........I hardly ever dare ask a computer question because I will not understand the answer, just like I didn't understand the advice given to you LZ...... ::) ::) :-[


The abacus was 'state of the art' technology when Lizzie was a girl. ;) :-* :-* :-* :-* ;)
Title: Re: Computer Advances for Lizzie
Post by: Vamps on 02 September 2013, 22:43:59
Ah, you need to pop around to mine once I have finished networking the entire house with Cisco switches, network drives/printers, raspberry pi based media centres (kitchen & bathroom) and consoles :y

My passport drive follows me around when I am mobile and syncs with the network drive when I get home  :y

Oh dear Guffer, it is like reading a foreign language for me.  Now I know I am primitive. I hope I can one day come back as a five year old to master computer technology - well five year old's have far more of a grasp on it than I ever will / have to! ::) ::) ::) :D :D :D ;)

You and me both Lizzie. :-[ :-[ :-[

Me too........I hardly ever dare ask a computer question because I will not understand the answer, just like I didn't understand the advice given to you LZ...... ::) ::) :-[


The abacus was 'state of the art' technology when Lizzie was a girl. ;) :-* :-* :-* :-* ;)

Couldn't do £sd though........ ;) ;)
Title: Re: Computer Advances for Lizzie
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 03 September 2013, 13:50:38
Ah, you need to pop around to mine once I have finished networking the entire house with Cisco switches, network drives/printers, raspberry pi based media centres (kitchen & bathroom) and consoles :y

My passport drive follows me around when I am mobile and syncs with the network drive when I get home  :y

Oh dear Guffer, it is like reading a foreign language for me.  Now I know I am primitive. I hope I can one day come back as a five year old to master computer technology - well five year old's have far more of a grasp on it than I ever will / have to! ::) ::) ::) :D :D :D ;)

You and me both Lizzie. :-[ :-[ :-[

Me too........I hardly ever dare ask a computer question because I will not understand the answer, just like I didn't understand the advice given to you LZ...... ::) ::) :-[


The abacus was 'state of the art' technology when Lizzie was a girl. ;) :-* :-* :-* :-* ;)

Couldn't do £sd though........ ;) ;)


Certainly £sd in my day, Mr Vamps. :y

I'm guessing that the groat was still legal tender in your day. :) ::) ::) ::) ;)
Title: Re: Computer Advances for Lizzie
Post by: Vamps on 03 September 2013, 19:49:09
Ah, you need to pop around to mine once I have finished networking the entire house with Cisco switches, network drives/printers, raspberry pi based media centres (kitchen & bathroom) and consoles :y

My passport drive follows me around when I am mobile and syncs with the network drive when I get home  :y

Oh dear Guffer, it is like reading a foreign language for me.  Now I know I am primitive. I hope I can one day come back as a five year old to master computer technology - well five year old's have far more of a grasp on it than I ever will / have to! ::) ::) ::) :D :D :D ;)

You and me both Lizzie. :-[ :-[ :-[

Me too........I hardly ever dare ask a computer question because I will not understand the answer, just like I didn't understand the advice given to you LZ...... ::) ::) :-[


The abacus was 'state of the art' technology when Lizzie was a girl. ;) :-* :-* :-* :-* ;)

Couldn't do £sd though........ ;) ;)


Certainly £sd in my day, Mr Vamps. :y

I'm guessing that the groat was still legal tender in your day. :) ::) ::) ::) ;)

No need, I simply traded my body for food........... :D :D
Title: Re: Computer Advances for Lizzie
Post by: Rods2 on 03 September 2013, 20:40:15
Ah, you need to pop around to mine once I have finished networking the entire house with Cisco switches, network drives/printers, raspberry pi based media centres (kitchen & bathroom) and consoles :y

My passport drive follows me around when I am mobile and syncs with the network drive when I get home  :y

Oh dear Guffer, it is like reading a foreign language for me.  Now I know I am primitive. I hope I can one day come back as a five year old to master computer technology - well five year old's have far more of a grasp on it than I ever will / have to! ::) ::) ::) :D :D :D ;)

You and me both Lizzie. :-[ :-[ :-[

Me too........I hardly ever dare ask a computer question because I will not understand the answer, just like I didn't understand the advice given to you LZ...... ::) ::) :-[


The abacus was 'state of the art' technology when Lizzie was a girl. ;) :-* :-* :-* :-* ;)

Couldn't do £sd though........ ;) ;)


Certainly £sd in my day, Mr Vamps. :y

I'm guessing that the groat was still legal tender in your day. :) ::) ::) ::) ;)

We know Groats mean nothing to you, where your dovecote is full of gold Doubloons.  ::) :o :P ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Computer Advances for Lizzie
Post by: Lizzie_Zoom on 04 September 2013, 11:14:39
Ah, you need to pop around to mine once I have finished networking the entire house with Cisco switches, network drives/printers, raspberry pi based media centres (kitchen & bathroom) and consoles :y

My passport drive follows me around when I am mobile and syncs with the network drive when I get home  :y

Oh dear Guffer, it is like reading a foreign language for me.  Now I know I am primitive. I hope I can one day come back as a five year old to master computer technology - well five year old's have far more of a grasp on it than I ever will / have to! ::) ::) ::) :D :D :D ;)

You and me both Lizzie. :-[ :-[ :-[

Me too........I hardly ever dare ask a computer question because I will not understand the answer, just like I didn't understand the advice given to you LZ...... ::) ::) :-[


The abacus was 'state of the art' technology when Lizzie was a girl. ;) :-* :-* :-* :-* ;)


Now you are not joking Opti! ::) ::) ;D ;D ;D  When I was a small girl it was a case of brain power; reciting times tables until you knew them backwards, and using an abacus for adding up, or taking away in units, tens, hundreds and thousands!  It was not until 1971 that I bought my first electronic Vatman calculator, that I still have, for about £12.  What an advance at the time in the pre-desktop computer age, when banks like Barclay's had (in 1969) just six IBM360's in their main clearing centre in St Swithin's Lane, London!

My A40 also had no computers, nor a radio!! ::) ::) ;D ;D ;D ;)
Title: Re: Computer Advances for Lizzie
Post by: Taxi_Driver on 05 September 2013, 17:38:35
I remember my first 32MB SIMM I bought, £400 cash, dirt cheap (well under half price), because, errr, well, uhmmm, I think the previous owner "borrowed" it from work...
That was cheap, altho maybe after the time i was dealing in 'used' simms.
1MB simms i sold at about £70 ea (used to run an ad in the local rag 1MB simms bought for £50) and had a simm tester just to make sure they wernt fried! Used to sell them all to a pc dealer. I still remember the time the dealer paid me 4k in cash for a particular batch (It was all in fivers lol)
Title: Re: Computer Advances for Lizzie
Post by: I_want_an_Omega on 07 September 2013, 11:56:24
Guffer, what are you going to be using on the RPi's? I trialled one in the bedroom with XBMC on but in the end got fed up of the lack of codec support (I have some stuff that is native MPEG2 so while the RPi supports VC-1 etc with additional codec licenses there was still a significant amount of stuff it b0rked at) and bugs (no HD streaming from the TVHeadend box, for example) and replaced it with a near silent mini PC the same as I have downstairs.. but I'd still like to use the RPi's somewhere for music rather than video (say in the garage, bathroom & kitchen)..

XMBC too, I know about the codec limitations but there are packs you can get which help.  I have been preparing my media collection in to the compatible formats for the last year anyway :y

I was running XBMC on my Pi, also tried Plex on it, both work but very clunky & slow.

I recently bought a NowTV box for £9.99

https://shop.nowtv.com/ (https://shop.nowtv.com/)

It's basically a Roku box, but WiFi only and a restricted apps (easily got around) for £9.99 including HDMI cable it's a bargin. Sky must be selling these at a loss, so can't see them doing these long term.

I put mine in developer mode and installed Plex on it, now links to my PC for all my Media needs. Works very well, much faster than Pi. Also NowTV box has BBC iPlayer, C5 on Demand, Sky News, Radio, Spotify ect.

NowTV for Movies works quite well too, good stream quality and works well.

Planning on getting another, as this one will go hopefully in my new front room with big tv in a "minimal" tech setup of just TV and that box.

I've just ordered one of these - could you point me in the right direction to do this please when it arrives. I'm assuming that I'd never activate it with Sky at all to do this?

Thanks - Rob