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Chat Area => General Car Chat => Topic started by: Sir Tigger KC on 20 September 2013, 09:26:29
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A mate is looking to change his car from his current extremely battered Passat TD which has served him well. :y Especially as maintenance is a strange concept to him and he thinks my cars are always going wrong as I'm often to be found with my head under the bonnet! ::)
He said he'll get a petrol this time as it's cheaper than diesel, so of course I pointed out that you get better MPG from diesel cars. So Petrol or diesel? If you had the choice of 2 identical cars except that one is petrol and the other diesel which would you go for? ???
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With my current financial situation it would have to be Diesel for economy, but I do miss the 2.5 for grunt.... :'(
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Petrol every time for me, but that's because I find tractors completely uninvolving to drive.
If he happens to use the vehicle in a regime that suits a modern diseasel (high mileage, lots of motorway cruising, etc.) then a diesel might be the right choice. If it's mostly local commuting and pottering around, and certainly if servicing is likely to be neglected, petrol.
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Petrol :y
Injectors and fuel pumps are generally cheaper... an Omega engine can be bought new from VX for the price of 4 VW diesel injectors :o
Choose carefully and lpg also becomes a viable option.
No DPF filter to worry about, again they're stoopid money.
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if he is going to buy second hand , must buy petrol unless its low mileage..
solving problems of old neglected diesels are costly and complex..
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His Passat is so neglected that I expect he gets Hummer style MPG from it, so anything will be an improvement!! ;D
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Petrol every time, then LPG it ... :) The power and flexibility of the petrol engine with the economy of the diseasal ... and no horrible smells, very clean oil, much reduced servicing costs ... win-win situation :)
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The choice is dependent on the type of journey he is regularly doing
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The choice is dependent on the type of journey he is regularly doing
Not entirely. He may be a prime candidate for a burner, but longs for the power delivery of a petrol. Or just hates smelling of soot :P
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I must say, I never thought I'd have a diesel myself being the petrol-head I am, especially after all the V8's & V12's I've had. However, I must be getting on and ready for my pipe & slippers. The current oil-burner I've got is just the 'dogs doodahs' for me at least. Its comfortable, reliable & a real bonus excellent on fuel.
I suppose like Fuse18 says it depends on what journeys he's doing. But for me I have a 60 mile round trip to work and my parents live 20 odd miles away. I'm no longer into performance (not that much ::) ::)) anymore and don't want to rocket to 60mph and be a boy racer, but the Skoda can show a clean pair of heels if I want it to with about 160bhp.
I was lucky and got a bargain with my car, only 19k on a 2005 plate and a good service history, which is mandatory with a diesel. With a good friendly Dealer close by servicing is nationally priced and I couldn't fault them when it went in for service & cambelt.
BUT!!!! ;D There's nowt like the rumble of a big V8 ::)
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The choice is dependent on the type of journey he is regularly doing
Not entirely. He may be a prime candidate for a burner, but longs for the power delivery of a petrol. Or just hates smelling of soot :P
Er no, if he does lots of short journeys then a diesel is not use either way
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The choice is dependent on the type of journey he is regularly doing
Not entirely. He may be a prime candidate for a burner, but longs for the power delivery of a petrol. Or just hates smelling of soot :P
Er no, if he does lots of short journeys then a diesel is not use either way
Indeed, (modern) diesels are hopeless on short runs, but what I actually said was he may be a prime candidate for diesel, but other reasons mean he wants petrol. :)
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Diesel is the fuel of the devil. >:(
Fine if you drive a bus or a lorry.
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I've never understood the attraction of a derv drinker.
They sound like a bag of nails, and run out of revs just as things are becoming interesting.
That nice lump of mid-range torque is about the only good thing. :-\
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......Not entirely. He may be a prime candidate for a burner, but longs for the power delivery of a petrol.....
But what happens when you get yourself a new straight six petrol, because you're a mans man, and you get your wife a straight six diesel because she's a woman, only to find that her diesel is quicker mid-range. Also, after a long run, when you fill your petrol tank, your range goes to around four hundred miles remaining, but when you fill the diesel tank on hers the range goes to nearer seven hundred and fifty miles remaining. :o :o
Both have respectable 0-60mph times and both are limited to 155mph. The only penalty is wearing silly gloves when you fill up. ::) ;D ;D
I wonder who that person was. :-[ :-[ ::) ::)
Just to add, I drive a diesel now. :y :y
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Timeless question. Petrol with LPG of course :y I'm afraid of using the modern high press diesel systems as I don't really understand theirs operation... :-[ plus they need special tools to do anything at home :(
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That'll learn you for buying her a six pot twin turbo diseasel ::)
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That'll learn you for buying her a six pot twin turbo diseasel ::)
;D ;D :y
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The thing I like about petrol engines against diesels is that, if I start an overtake, planning on changing up at 5K, and it all turns into a bit of a buttock-tightener, I know I can keep it planted and I've got power all the way up to 7k (give or take a bit, depending on the car). This happened a good few times in the last 2 weeks, driving a right-hooker in Spain!
With a diesel, granted, you've got good midrange torque, but you're already using most of the rev range, and it just hits a brick wall in the above scenario.
I admit I haven't given diesels much of a chance, and it's just an adjustment of driving style I could probably make, but not sure I want to.
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I know what you mean Kevin, when I was pursuing a Veccie SRI the other week, I was changing gear every minute trying to keep the revs happy and keep it going quickly. The BMWs we have hit a brick wall way too soon in my opinion even though the limiters are removed.
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I know what you mean Kevin, when I was pursuing a Veccie SRI the other week, I was changing gear every minute trying to keep the revs happy and keep it going quickly. The BMWs we have hit a brick wall way too soon in my opinion even though the limiters are removed.
From what I saw a couple of weeks ago, the Volvo V70 was running circles around the two 5 Series doing passenger runs ::) visibly faster, and didn't cook it's brakes every ten minutes ::)
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Volvo V70 was running circles around the two 5 Series doing passenger runs ::) visibly faster, and didn't cook it's brakes every ten minutes Or break down >:( >:( >:(
:'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(
Best cop car ever!!!!
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Been window shopping, the V70 is diesel wwd only now. If you want the T6 awd, it's only available in the XC70 and is limited to 130mph. Such a waste :'(
On the plus side, BMW do a nice 5 series estate with a twin turbo v8 petrol ::)
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Crikey :o,I know I'm getting old now as I actually prefer big diesel power delivery,as about 80% of normal driving is mid range revs its nice to have that clout of torque without having to rev the nads off it :y
Fuel economy is a bonus but I wouldn't have a V8 Discovery if I worried much about that :-\
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I never want to be a diesel owner..
reasons :
frist noise..
second repair costs.. (here diesels are bad quality and frequently damage the pumps)
third when the thermometer points -20 celcius ( I know some of you never see it)
but here its very usual to make this ;D
(http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x80/mecdv6/imdat_zps5f7281e1.jpg)
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Ive just got 125 miles from a quarter of a tank (mostly on smallish country roads) from my "diesel" car.Cost of quarter of a tank of fuel was £6.50. :)
Still prefer a big petrol engine,ideally though.
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That'll learn you for buying her a six pot twin turbo diseasel ::)
;D ;D :y
+1 ;D ;D ;D :y
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The thing I like about petrol engines against diesels is that, if I start an overtake, planning on changing up at 5K, and it all turns into a bit of a buttock-tightener, I know I can keep it planted and I've got power all the way up to 7k (give or take a bit, depending on the car). This happened a good few times in the last 2 weeks, driving a right-hooker in Spain!
With a diesel, granted, you've got good midrange torque, but you're already using most of the rev range, and it just hits a brick wall in the above scenario.
I admit I haven't given diesels much of a chance, and it's just an adjustment of driving style I could probably make, but not sure I want to.
Indeed, the clenching "rev the nads off it" to get you out of trouble doesn't work on diesels. You just have to imagine there is a rev limiter at around 4-4.5k, rather than the 6.5-7k of most petrols.
I actually quite like the diesel torque delivery, and would have no issue with having another diesel. We've had 3 previously, and I've had loads of diesel vans. Yeah, the gloves are gay, and the stuff stinks, but not enough to put me off another.
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third when the thermometer points -20 celcius ( I know some of you never see it)
but here its very usual to make this ;D
(http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x80/mecdv6/imdat_zps5f7281e1.jpg)
We used to see that in the 70s, but now they put enough anti waxing agents in winter diesel fuel here, even during the fairly cold winters we've had over the past 3 or 4 years, we've not seen waxing problems.
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third when the thermometer points -20 celcius ( I know some of you never see it)
but here its very usual to make this ;D
(http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x80/mecdv6/imdat_zps5f7281e1.jpg)
We used to see that in the 70s, but now they put enough anti waxing agents in winter diesel fuel here, even during the fairly cold winters we've had over the past 3 or 4 years, we've not seen waxing problems.
here we have a deisel named euro diesel.. have detergents and anti waxing agents .. but expensive and not preferred by truckers or ordinary diesel owners.... :-\
instead they choose the diesel brought from iraq without tax.. (illegal of course) but price nearly half ..