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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: martin42 on 07 October 2013, 19:42:17
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Im looking for a cheap 240 air compressor,what size ltr tank is best for using air tools,bearing in mind dont want it heavy and not to big as dont have much room in garage to store it.
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Im looking for a cheap 240 air compressor,what size ltr tank is best for using air tools,bearing in mind dont want it heavy and not to big as dont have much room in garage to store it.
If it's big enough to be useful, I doubt it will be cheap. Why be a mingebag if you're going to get lots of use from it? Buy a good one and you'll only buy it once.
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It's either aldi or lidl that have compressors quite regularly. If its just for blowing up tyres or clearing out dysons then they are quite adequate for relatively small outlay. If more is required buy a bigger machine and receiver from machine mart or similar but look around first and compare prices. Most machines are made by a small number of manufacturers and rebadged.
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Im restricted on space to store it :y
So what size tank is acceptable to run air tools,its not going to used heavily either,so looking 2nd hand :y
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Im restricted on space to store it :y
So what size tank is acceptable to run air tools,its not going to used heavily either,so looking 2nd hand :y
Ermmmmm....hello.....you're the mad mechanic, of course it's going to be used heavily. Esp when everyone finds out you've bought a grandaddy. ;D
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I'm no expert by any means but the larger the tank the greater volume of air that's available to power the tools. The loss of space is an issue though. You can't hide volume in a garage when it's a large heavy steel tank! Add to that, a small compressor will take a while to fill the tank especially if you are using the air that's in there at the same time and so will run almost continually as a result.
If its on wheels then can be wheeled out to give working space as required?
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Also forgot to say i shall be using a plasma cutter with it aswell ;D
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Also forgot to say i shall be using a plasma cutter with it aswell ;D
Now we're talking. ;D
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You need to find out what CFM the plasma cutter is going to use. I would have thought it could be quite large. Then find out what free air delivery a compressor model can put out. a 50 litre tank is the minimum size to go for.
Keith B
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50 minimum but 100 is better
also look at what power consumption your tools need and buy a compressor that can handelit
all so check your electrics can hande l it
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dont go less than 100.. if you ever take word "painting" in your mouth you need 200.. and dual head is must..
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If its for a windy gun, I've found electric impact guns better. Unless you spend very serious money.
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If its for a windy gun, I've found electric impact guns better. Unless you spend very serious money.
As he says, for wheel nuts at 110nm it seems to me you need a huge compressor, 100 to 150 litre, to reliably run an air gun to that sort of torque. Cirtainly my old 24litre and now the 50 that replaces it are not up to the job.
So a half decent re chargeable impact wrench, and a 50litre compressor live in my garage. The air tools are very handy. Air hammer for steering idlers and ball joints. Air drill for short reach confined spaces, air ratchet for the oil filter cap once its loose. Etc
Re chargeable Impact wrench comes from hitachi. Its only capable if about 80nm, but it has a very short body for wbone bolts and getting under sills for donut bushes. The price for access is torque, so have to undo big stuff first then wiz it out. Tightening means a torque wrench anyway, so I'd rather have a smaller body wrench for access. Plus smaller is cheaper. ;)
In short, others may have found ways to run am air gun of a 50litre that will undo a 110nm 17mm bolt. But I haven't. (Although I'm all ears) There are cheaper ways IMO. :)
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The cfm of the compressor is more important than the tank size, a 14cfm one with 50 litre tank will be much more useable than a 7cfm with a 100 litre tank.
And plasma cutters use hardly any air, could run one of a basic compressor (and some have the compressor built in).
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Yes Aaron mentioned cfm, whatever that is, when we where looking at his air gun issues.
I meant to look into cfm, but the orgazma gizmo impact wrench came along first.
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Cubic feet per minute. (Air flow)
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Been looking and need to spend around the £220 price for a decent cfm rate with a 50ltr tank.
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Does that fit budget wise. :-\
Not cheap I'd say.
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Well its out of budget but just have to put my prices up lol :D
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Simple enough devices so second hand wont be any bother.
Or build your own.
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If you really want to depress yourself, you actually need to size a compressor off the Free Air Delivery(FAD). This is always much lower than the rated CFM, which explains why a compressor rated at 14CFM struggles to run a tool that only needs 6!
My experience is that you'll need a compressor with at least a 2HP motor, and a 100l tank just for light use of air tools. They're expensive, heavy, bulky, noisy and expensive to run. And you'll need to ensure that its power supply is up to scratch.
Small compressors are OK for tyre-inflators, drills and painting small areas. For other tools, like grinders, die grinders, DAs, impact guns(cheap guns are fine with a decent air supply) and the like, it's best to buy electric.
I'm with Chris on the cordless impact guns; I have a tiny 18v Durofix job that barely undoes correctly tightened wheel nuts. It's real forte is winding large nuts/bolts like suspension joints, or on pullers/spring compressors. When used on my homemade extractor, it pushes out rear hubs in seconds. If you have room to swing it, then a 2foot ratchet-breaker-bar is really handy, Snap-On's is excellent(as you would expect)but 'kin expensive. Also as you would expect!
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sooner or later you will expand the usage of this compressor and 50 litre will never be enough.. false economy imo..
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I would actualy be looking for a 50 litre 3hp belt driven compressor.
3Hp is the max you can run on a 13A feed, 50 litres is a good size and the belt driven compressors are more reliable, quieter and often deliver more air.
Don't worry about tank size, if in the dim and distant future you find the tank to small then a good empty propane cylinder is easily added as a second reciever.
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Is it not the c.f.m.that determins the size of the air equipment that you can use and not so much the size of the tank you use....small c.f.m..large tank will only mean compressor flogging its guts out to keep over sized tank full of air and would still not have the guts to work certain equipment.and would blow up in no time. :-\ :-\
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I would actualy be looking for a 50 litre 3hp belt driven compressor.
3Hp is the max you can run on a 13A feed, 50 litres is a good size and the belt driven compressors are more reliable, quieter and often deliver more air.
Don't worry about tank size, if in the dim and distant future you find the tank to small then a good empty propane cylinder is easily added as a second reciever.
::) serial tank usage not too desirable for paint applications.. you have to drain & clean all of them one by one..