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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: PhilRich on 08 October 2013, 19:13:35
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My youngest lad has been attacked by his friends Japanese Akita and badly savaged! The dog attacked him without warning or provocation and he had to beat it repeatedly over the head with a Stilson wrench to get it to leave go, but not before it had badly torn his left forearm, then did the same to his right arm and also took a huge chunk of flesh down to the bone and swallowed it! He was in severe shock and fainting with blood loss when we got to the local clinic which passes for an A&E in our pisspot town and I had to follow the ambulance the 15 miles to Middlesbrough as there was no room for me as he was accompanied by a Doctor, nurse & swmbo. Just as we were leaving the town the ambulance driver suddenly put on the Blues & Two's and put his foot to the floor and I almost swallowed my heart! I stuck to that ambulance like bloody glue and god only knows how many speeding points i've accrued today but I will deal with that if/when it happens. He has been in Surgery over 3 1/2 hours now & they can't say when they will be finished, so we have come home to see to the dogs and wait on tenderhooks hoping the damage can be repaired. It never rains but it pours! It was only yesterday I welcomed Ozzycat back to fold after his troubles and now it's our turn again! :(
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Oh God. I feel sick for you, Phil. Life never gets tired of kicking us in the balls. I do hope it turns out.....well.....as best as it can. Please keep us informed on the poor lads progress.
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all our best wishes from us to you, hope your lad mends well and soon which is more than I can say for the dog. I've just rescued a 12 month old ish gsd who has all sorts of minor problems , but thankfully nothing like violence ! as steve says please keep us all informed.
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Thanks Steve I really appreciate that :y, tbh i'm only logging in here because I need something to keep me occupied until the 'phone rings :(
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Absolutely horrific - everything crossed that he makes a full recovery.
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Sorry to hear this, must have been terrifying :o :'(
Hoping for full recovery here :y
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I've been a right moany bastard today about tiny, unimportant things. I need to put things into perspective and things like this give me a kick up the arse.
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so very sorry to hear this. my best wishes to you all.
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Really sorry to hear this news.Hope all turns out well.Wish the lad all the best from me and the dragonlady.
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Thanks Steve I really appreciate that :y, tbh i'm only logging in here because I need something to keep me occupied until the 'phone rings :(
Be careful, Phil. It's been hectic up to now but, once things quieten down, you and the Mrs. will start to feel the full impact of the situation.
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I am sickened to hear this Phil, I really feel for you and your family. I hope that the damage is minimal and that his recovery is swift. :(
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Sorry to hear the bad news , best wishes to everyone :(
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sorry to hear that :( I guess, hope and wish he will recover quickly as he is young..
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Horrifying, I hope all goes well and he makes a full recovery. :(
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Thankyou for all the good wishes lads, we have just been told he is now out of Surgery and we're allowed to go through to Middlesbrough to see him, so fingers crossed :y
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Like everyone else I am absolutely sickened by your experience :( :( and just hope everything turns out for the best. The poor lad must have been terrified >:(
Why do people keep this kind of dog >:( >:(
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Sorry to hear this too :-\ fingers crossed for the lad...
Thankyou for all the good wishes lads, we have just been told he is now out of Surgery and we're allowed to go through to Middlesbrough to see him, so fingers crossed :y
That's a relief, take it steady on the way over there mind :y
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Thankyou for all the good wishes lads, we have just been told he is now out of Surgery and we're allowed to go through to Middlesbrough to see him, so fingers crossed :y
Drive carefully mate x
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Sorry to hear that mate - must have been horrific for him. Hope it all goes well for him
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as already said, take care and drive easy, there's been enough bad news on here so far tonight
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Terrible news Phil, I am glad he is out of surgery and hope he is on the mend soon.... :y
I know it's not the first thin out your mind Phil, but if visiting on an evening there is a small car park, entrance on the right just before the main car park, at first glance is it only for disabled but further in there are spaces anyone can use, and no need to pay.......... ;)
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Jesus what terrible news! :o Here's hoping that in time all your lad will have are a few scars and a story... :)
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Like everyone else I am absolutely sickened by your experience :( :( and just hope everything turns out for the best. The poor lad must have been terrified >:(
Why do people keep this kind of dog >:( >:(
+1 & it baffles me why people keep / are allowed to keep this type of dog >:( >:(
terrible news but hoping the lad is going to be ok
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Absolutely horrid news and my heart goes out to you and your lad. :'(
Only a moron would have an Akita. They are naturally aggressive dogs. >:( >:(
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Sorry, I've come to this late. I guess the good news is he's out of surgery, so thats a small step in the right direction.
I wish you and him all the best.
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Wishing your lad all the best Phil, and a speedy recovery.. :(
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Absolutely horrid news and my heart goes out to you and your lad. :'(
Only a moron would have an Akita. They are naturally aggressive dogs. >:( >:(
You`re talking out of your arse Nick, and as an Akita owner I find your remark personally offensive >:( >:( >:(
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I wish a full and speedy recovery for your lad.
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Like everyone else I am absolutely sickened by your experience :( :( and just hope everything turns out for the best. The poor lad must have been terrified >:(
Why do people keep this kind of dog >:( >:(
Care to elaborate ??? It`s not the dog (regardless of breed), the problem lies in their upbringing
This is mine and I`ve owned him since a pup and made sure he socialised with people of all ages while still a pup
(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z257/belisensis/P1040944.jpg) (http://s190.photobucket.com/user/belisensis/media/P1040944.jpg.html)
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Flabbergasted to read this Phil....our thoughts are with you.
What also annoys me is these vast distances having to be travelled to decent A&E, due to cuts. I live within 3 miles either way of two massive hospitals....but like you, have to travel 20 miles to A&E.
Whilst serious enough, thank goodness it was no worse, where distance may have played a cruel part.
Tony
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Thankyou for all the good wishes lads, we have just been told he is now out of Surgery and we're allowed to go through to Middlesbrough to see him, so fingers crossed :y
Best wishes for a speedy recovery Phil
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Awful news ... best wishes for a full and speedy recovery, thoughts and prayers are with you all.
Nige
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Absolutely horrid news and my heart goes out to you and your lad. :'(
Only a moron would have an Akita. They are naturally aggressive dogs. >:( >:(
You`re talking out of your arse Nick, and as an Akita owner I find your remark personally offensive >:( >:( >:(
I am sorry. I didn't mean to offend. Nevertheless, they ARE naturally aggressive. Whilst good owners, such as obviously yourself, will train their dog to be obedient and end up with a faithful, loving and protective hound, they are always aware of their basic nature.
My comment about morons was directed at those who deliberately purchase strong dogs to bolster their own egos and couldn't care less about training them.
I accept that my comments were ill-judged and, as a dog owner, I do accept that even the most "difficult" breeds can be trained and, as with all dogs, the love and faithfulness they show to their family is always a great reward. :y
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Oh dear....... I'm sorry to hear this. :-\
The Opti family wishes your lad a super speedy recovery. :y
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Bloody hell Phil,only just seen this,glad your lad is out of surgery and give him our best wishes for a speedy recovery.
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+1 I hope a speedy recovery for you lad ...... & there's no real lasting damage.
You say your youngest lad ...... how old is he?
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Absolutely horrid news and my heart goes out to you and your lad. :'(
Only a moron would have an Akita. They are naturally aggressive dogs. >:( >:(
You`re talking out of your arse Nick, and as an Akita owner I find your remark personally offensive >:( >:( >:(
I am sorry. I didn't mean to offend. Nevertheless, they ARE naturally aggressive. Whilst good owners, such as obviously yourself, will train their dog to be obedient and end up with a faithful, loving and protective hound, they are always aware of their basic nature.
My comment about morons was directed at those who deliberately purchase strong dogs to bolster their own egos and couldn't care less about training them.
I accept that my comments were ill-judged and, as a dog owner, I do accept that even the most "difficult" breeds can be trained and, as with all dogs, the love and faithfulness they show to their family is always a great reward. :y
The series on telly at the moment ..... something like 'The wonderful world of dogs' was saying that the temperament of any dog is as much determined by us - the owner, as it is by the breed. :y
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So sorry to hear this terrible news - hope the news from the hospital is good!
Our thoughts are with you all and we are keeping everything crossed for a positive outcome!
Come on guys, I don't think this is the time to argue about dogs and their behaviour!
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Late to this Phil... Glad to hear he's out of surgery and wish him a speedy recovery! Thinking of you all
As to the dog... It's not strictly the dogs fault... Any dog can do it ;)
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Like everyone else I am absolutely sickened by your experience :( :( and just hope everything turns out for the best. The poor lad must have been terrified >:(
Why do people keep this kind of dog >:( >:(
Care to elaborate ??? It`s not the dog (regardless of breed), the problem lies in their upbringing
This is mine and I`ve owned him since a pup and made sure he socialised with people of all ages while still a pup
(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z257/belisensis/P1040944.jpg) (http://s190.photobucket.com/user/belisensis/media/P1040944.jpg.html)
Second that met Gizmo on several occasions even smelling of my own dog he has always showed affection, Owners upbringing are the main cause.
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Like everyone else I am absolutely sickened by your experience :( :( and just hope everything turns out for the best. The poor lad must have been terrified >:(
Why do people keep this kind of dog >:( >:(
Care to elaborate ??? It`s not the dog (regardless of breed), the problem lies in their upbringing
This is mine and I`ve owned him since a pup and made sure he socialised with people of all ages while still a pup
(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z257/belisensis/P1040944.jpg) (http://s190.photobucket.com/user/belisensis/media/P1040944.jpg.html)
Second that met Gizmo on several occasions even smelling of my own dog he has always showed affection, Owners upbringing are the main cause.
I don't know the answer I don't have one, I suppose it is that people like the breed. There is a world of difference between responsible owners who understand dogs and those who unfortunately do not. I have no doubt that Gizmo is a superb pet and would mix with my two labs, not all Akita's are like this tho'. :y
Having said that my thoughts are with a young man who has suffered an horrific attack :'( and wish him well for a good recovery both physically and mentally :y
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Wishing you all the best.
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Just caught up. What a dreadful incident, I wish your son a speedy recovery.
Best wishes
Chris
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Just read this,sorry to hear what's happened and wish your son a speedy recovery,dogs should be kept out of the way when tradesmen are in houses,working,i hope you've put a report into the police as well about it.I Have been bitten by a dog while doing my job,reported to police but as it never drew blood they wasn't interested.
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Dogs actions are completely (in my opinion) down to their up-bringing, it's how they are treated = reactions.
There is something in the breeds, when was the last time you heard of a Springer Spaniel doing this? However even the most aggressive dogs you see in the news, look at the owners? A well brought up dog, fed well and kept well would have not done this, not unless it was seriously provoked. (not saying that in this case here, as that's clear)
Look at the way some children are brought up, most respect the police, be polite, don't use violence, drugs ect.
Others? Well tune into Road Wars!
A friend at my last job had an Akita, lovely docile dog.
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Christ P, awful news, all the best. Let me know if there's anything you need :y
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Terrible news Phil. I hope your lad is soon on the mend. :(
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Any more news :-\
We had one of our two Tibetan terriers put down because she suddenly started attacking anything that moved. Six years old and no explanation why :-\ just goes to show that even with best home, a docile friendly dog is, at the end of the day, still a dog...
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Dogs actions are completely (in my opinion) down to their up-bringing, it's how they are treated = reactions.
There is something in the breeds, when was the last time you heard of a Springer Spaniel doing this? However even the most aggressive dogs you see in the news, look at the owners? A well brought up dog, fed well and kept well would have not done this, not unless it was seriously provoked. (not saying that in this case here, as that's clear)
Look at the way some children are brought up, most respect the police, be polite, don't use violence, drugs ect.
Others? Well tune into Road Wars!
A friend at my last job had an Akita, lovely docile dog.
My sisters springer can be an evil mean bastard at times,my kids aren't allowed near it,its getting old now and will hopefully depart this world soon.
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So sorry to hear about this. I hope your son makes a good recovery.
I had a Yorkshire terrier many years ago and from being a puppy it was very vicious. A lady came to my house once and when I opened the door Herbie the terrier flew at her. She was holding a white paper bag containing some buns from the bakers. He jumped up and grabbed the buns, biting them in half, and then ripping them to shreds. I was so embarrassed.
On another occasion I was leaving the house and went to open the front door. Herbie spotted the neighbour across the road and he flew at him. The neighbor bent down to stroke him and he got a hell of a shock when Herbie bit his crotch. :o
I think some dogs can be vicious no matter what the breed or upbringing, just like people I suppose.
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Dogs actions are completely (in my opinion) down to their up-bringing, it's how they are treated = reactions.
There is something in the breeds, when was the last time you heard of a Springer Spaniel doing this? However even the most aggressive dogs you see in the news, look at the owners? A well brought up dog, fed well and kept well would have not done this, not unless it was seriously provoked. (not saying that in this case here, as that's clear)
Look at the way some children are brought up, most respect the police, be polite, don't use violence, drugs ect.
Others? Well tune into Road Wars!
A friend at my last job had an Akita, lovely docile dog.
My sisters springer can be an evil mean bastard at times,my kids aren't allowed near it,its getting old now and will hopefully depart this world soon.
Poor sight? I think as dogs get older, with poor sight they don't know what's going on and can get snappy. But it's not their fault
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Dogs actions are completely (in my opinion) down to their up-bringing, it's how they are treated = reactions.
There is something in the breeds, when was the last time you heard of a Springer Spaniel doing this? However even the most aggressive dogs you see in the news, look at the owners? A well brought up dog, fed well and kept well would have not done this, not unless it was seriously provoked. (not saying that in this case here, as that's clear)
Look at the way some children are brought up, most respect the police, be polite, don't use violence, drugs ect.
Others? Well tune into Road Wars!
A friend at my last job had an Akita, lovely docile dog.
My sisters springer can be an evil mean bastard at times,my kids aren't allowed near it,its getting old now and will hopefully depart this world soon.
I had a rescue Springer, and he too could be a vicious little git, he was never allowed to be unattended around people who didn't know his capabilities or other dogs, but we lived a life that meant he wasn't a problem
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Powerful dogs need a firm but also loving master from day one.
I've a 7 year old, 8 stone German / Belgian shepherd cross who I have had since he was 7 weeks old.
To put it bluntly, he scares the shite out of most people due to his size and his manor.
Basically, he is a bloody big puppy who thinks everybody is put on this planet to be his friend and play with him BUT being a shepherd, his first instinct is to protect and if he see's you as a threat due to YOUR demeanour then you will get a warning ;)
He is my best mate and a member of my family and he gets treat as such but if he steps out of line then I have in the past slapped him around when he has done wrong and will do again if need be :(
There is NO such thing as a bad or aggressive breed of dog, just piggin thick owners who just haven't got a clue how to bring one up :(
If ANY dog has been brought up badly then it will be aggressive and uncontrollable and there is sweet F A anybody can do about it and if it can't be trusted then it should be put to sleep along with its owner >:(
A few on here are talking about breeds............. well here is my take on it :)
A powerful dog is just a affectionate, loving, mild mannered and safe around children as a yapping handbag accessory that some folks seem to think are the ideal pet IF BROUGHT UP PROPERLY :)
The Only difference is ............... the strength of the bite :)
PhilRich, sorry to hear about your lad.
Hope he gets well soon :)
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Well said well written. :y
Hoping the boy makes a full recovery and doesn't adopt a fear of dogs they aren't all bad.
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Jeez. mustve been terrifying. Wishing the lad a speedy recovery. :y
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Update:
Hello everyone, thankyou all very much for your thoughtful good wishes, they were very well received by my lad (he is 34 by the way! :D) and swmbo :y
We visited late on tuesday when he came out of surgery and got a look at the pre-op photographs which were pretty nasty even after the wounds being cleaned up. He has muscle/tendon & ligament loss in the right forearm and the Radial and Anterior Interosseous Artery were punctured but thankfully not severed so although the blood loss was heavy (around 4 1/2 pints :o) it wasn't catastrophic. He will need a muscle & tissue graft from his upper right thigh some time in the future and he goes back into theatre again tomorrow for more microsurgery. As for the dog, Akitas are not on the Dangerous Dogs List and the attack happened on Private Property so the Police have no powers to remove the dog, only strongly suggest to the owner that the next attack (if there were one) may end up with a more serious scenario!) I will keep you all up to date as it progresses. Once again, many, many thanks for your concern & good wishes. Kindest Regards, Phil. :y
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Update:
Hello everyone, thankyou all very much for your thoughtful good wishes, they were very well received by my lad (he is 34 by the way! :D) and swmbo :y
We visited late on tuesday when he came out of surgery and got a look at the pre-op photographs which were pretty nasty even after the wounds being cleaned up. He has muscle/tendon & ligament loss in the right forearm and the Radial and Anterior Interosseous Artery were punctured but thankfully not severed so although the blood loss was heavy (around 4 1/2 pints :o) it wasn't catastrophic. He will need a muscle & tissue graft from his upper right thigh some time in the future and he goes back into theatre again tomorrow for more microsurgery. As for the dog, Akitas are not on the Dangerous Dogs List and the attack happened on Private Property so the Police have no powers to remove the dog, only strongly suggest to the owner that the next attack (if there were one) may end up with a more serious scenario!) I will keep you all up to date as it progresses. Once again, many, many thanks for your concern & good wishes. Kindest Regards, Phil. :y
Sounds very nasty Phil, and also as if it could have been so very much worse. Best wishes to son for further improvement.
Note to self, always keep the Stillsons handy.
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Good to hear he's on the mend :y
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Glad to hear he's on the mend :y :y
This may sound a tad mercenary, but ensure you get a crime report number from the police, and FULL details of the owners insurance (if they have any). There are grounds here for a claim for loss of earnings, pain, suffering, and any further expenses that may be incurred both now and in the future. (medication/travel/clothing etc etc)
If the owners have Public Liability Insurance, which is usually part of pet insurance anyway, the claim is against that. If not and they have household insurance there may be a claim against that, failing that the claim is simply against the owners.
The fact that the dog belongs to a friend should not be considered at all.
Hard rules I know, but the sooner you get your head around this and start the ball rolling the better.... IMHO
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Glad to hear he's on the mend :y :y
This may sound a tad mercenary, but ensure you get a crime report number from the police, and FULL details of the owners insurance (if they have any). There are grounds here for a claim for loss of earnings, pain, suffering, and any further expenses that may be incurred both now and in the future. (medication/travel/clothing etc etc)
If the owners have Public Liability Insurance, which is usually part of pet insurance anyway, the claim is against that. If not and they have household insurance there may be a claim against that, failing that the claim is simply against the owners.
The fact that the dog belongs to a friend should not be considered at all.
Hard rules I know, but the sooner you get your head around this and start the ball rolling the better.... IMHO
Absolutely... Your boy must, must, must claim on the insurance/against the owners. The fact it's a friend makes it awkward but should also push for destruction of the animal :'( For it to have made such a savage attack it may well do it again.
I know that it's harsh but if my soppy Lab were to bite savagely attack someone I would never trust her again and if she was given the chance to do it again then........
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Glad to hear he's on the mend :y :y
This may sound a tad mercenary, but ensure you get a crime report number from the police, and FULL details of the owners insurance (if they have any). There are grounds here for a claim for loss of earnings, pain, suffering, and any further expenses that may be incurred both now and in the future. (medication/travel/clothing etc etc)
If the owners have Public Liability Insurance, which is usually part of pet insurance anyway, the claim is against that. If not and they have household insurance there may be a claim against that, failing that the claim is simply against the owners.
The fact that the dog belongs to a friend should not be considered at all.
Hard rules I know, but the sooner you get your head around this and start the ball rolling the better.... IMHO
Absolutely... Your boy must, must, must claim on the insurance/against the owners. The fact it's a friend makes it awkward but should also push for destruction of the animal :'( For it to have made such a savage attack it may well do it again.
I know that it's harsh but if my soppy Lab were to bite savagely attack someone I would never trust her again and if she was given the chance to do it again then........
Agreed. A fit, strong 34 year old man may have survived (just) But a small girl or boy would stand no chance. The dog is clearly not safe and should be destroyed.
Sorry to all you dog lovers...... but there is now a strong possibility that this particular mutt will attack again. :-\
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Yep! The dog must go!! If the owners have any sense of remorse, decency or common sense the deed should already have been done!! ::)
The insurance suggestion is also a good one!! :y
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Glad to hear he's on the mend :y :y
This may sound a tad mercenary, but ensure you get a crime report number from the police, and FULL details of the owners insurance (if they have any). There are grounds here for a claim for loss of earnings, pain, suffering, and any further expenses that may be incurred both now and in the future. (medication/travel/clothing etc etc)
If the owners have Public Liability Insurance, which is usually part of pet insurance anyway, the claim is against that. If not and they have household insurance there may be a claim against that, failing that the claim is simply against the owners.
The fact that the dog belongs to a friend should not be considered at all.
Hard rules I know, but the sooner you get your head around this and start the ball rolling the better.... IMHO
Absolutely... Your boy must, must, must claim on the insurance/against the owners. The fact it's a friend makes it awkward but should also push for destruction of the animal :'( For it to have made such a savage attack it may well do it again.
I know that it's harsh but if my soppy Lab were to bite savagely attack someone I would never trust her again and if she was given the chance to do it again then........
The only thing a Lab might do is lick someone to death :D
Mine wont even stand up for herself when another dog has a go at her....altho i know a choc lab dog that stands up for himself with other dogs but he's soft as putty towards humans.
Hope your son recovers quickly Phil :)
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Glad to hear he's on the mend :y :y
This may sound a tad mercenary, but ensure you get a crime report number from the police, and FULL details of the owners insurance (if they have any). There are grounds here for a claim for loss of earnings, pain, suffering, and any further expenses that may be incurred both now and in the future. (medication/travel/clothing etc etc)
If the owners have Public Liability Insurance, which is usually part of pet insurance anyway, the claim is against that. If not and they have household insurance there may be a claim against that, failing that the claim is simply against the owners.
The fact that the dog belongs to a friend should not be considered at all.
Hard rules I know, but the sooner you get your head around this and start the ball rolling the better.... IMHO
Absolutely... Your boy must, must, must claim on the insurance/against the owners. The fact it's a friend makes it awkward but should also push for destruction of the animal :'( For it to have made such a savage attack it may well do it again.
I know that it's harsh but if my soppy Lab were to bite savagely attack someone I would never trust her again and if she was given the chance to do it again then........
Agreed. A fit, strong 34 year old man may have survived (just) But a small girl or boy would stand no chance. The dog is clearly not safe and should be destroyed.
Sorry to all you dog lovers...... but there is now a strong possibility that this particular mutt will attack again. :-\
No need to be sorry.....i am a dog lover but i actually agree with you.....if a dog attacks a human, then it should be put down...IMO....IF it was unprovoked attack.....winding it up, then thats different...and what can happen.....again IMO
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Well...I'd like to say it's good news,Phil, but it isn't really is it? Sounds to me like months of rehabilitation and painful operations.
Great big dogs, of any breed, should not be allowed into a domestic situation. No one knows for sure what goes on inside a dogs head. I am sick to death of hearing about these incidents where the owner says that the dog has never shown any signs of aggression and that they can't understand why it happened.
It happened because you've got a huge, wild animal living in your house and, given the right circumstances, it will behave as such.
I am not going to apologise to anyone for my views. If I offend anybody....tough. Better to offend people than send them off in an ambulance or hearse.
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Glad to hear it Phil :y could have been much much worse :-\
Hard as it is to deal with at the time, I fully agree with LD. Indeed that is the reason we now only have one Tibetan Terrier and not two :'(
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As said by others the news,although pretty bad could have been a whole lot worse.It sounds like it will be a long[and possibly painful]road to recovery,but recover he will I'm sure.I've grown up with dogs of all sorts of breed all my life[at present I have a Sha Pei]but as others have said that one must be destroyed,if it hasn't been already.I did once read a report that said most attacks on people by dogs were committed by Labradors,but as at the time Labs were the most prolific breed this statistically could have been the cause of the findings.Anyway We here wish your lad all the best,if you're anything like me[my son is also 34]old as he is he is still my "little" boy!
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Glad to hear he's on the mend :y :y
This may sound a tad mercenary, but ensure you get a crime report number from the police, and FULL details of the owners insurance (if they have any). There are grounds here for a claim for loss of earnings, pain, suffering, and any further expenses that may be incurred both now and in the future. (medication/travel/clothing etc etc)
If the owners have Public Liability Insurance, which is usually part of pet insurance anyway, the claim is against that. If not and they have household insurance there may be a claim against that, failing that the claim is simply against the owners.
The fact that the dog belongs to a friend should not be considered at all.
Hard rules I know, but the sooner you get your head around this and start the ball rolling the better.... IMHO
Absolutely... Your boy must, must, must claim on the insurance/against the owners. The fact it's a friend makes it awkward but should also push for destruction of the animal :'( For it to have made such a savage attack it may well do it again.
I know that it's harsh but if my soppy Lab were to bite savagely attack someone I would never trust her again and if she was given the chance to do it again then........
Agreed. A fit, strong 34 year old man may have survived (just) But a small girl or boy would stand no chance. The dog is clearly not safe and should be destroyed.
Sorry to all you dog lovers...... but there is now a strong possibility that this particular mutt will attack again. :-\
No need to be sorry.....i am a dog lover but i actually agree with you.....if a dog attacks a human, then it should be put down...IMO....IF it was unprovoked attack.....winding it up, then thats different...and what can happen.....again IMO
Agree 100% with that.
Just one piece of info for oofer's about protecting yourself against a dog attack.
If a dog is on top of you and you feel your life is in danger, if you force his front legs apart far enough, it will split the dogs heart muscle and kill it instantly :(
I love dogs more the most humans but sadly, I feel I should share this with you all :(
I just hope nobody has to do it
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Agree 100% with that.
Just one piece of info for oofer's about protecting yourself against a dog attack.
If a dog is on top of you and you feel your life is in danger, if you force his front legs apart far enough, it will split the dogs heart muscle and kill it instantly :(
I love dogs more the most humans but sadly, I feel I should share this with you all :(
I just hope nobody has to do it
Hope the lad recovers OK, phil - lucky escape :(
I'm not going to add to the discussion about "dangerous" dogs. Suffice to say, any dog can be dangerous - some learn it, some are just born bad. Same as humans. Same conclusion, as well - Death.
I've only really joined this thread because of the above. You're not going to be able to force a big dogs legs apart far enough to harm it without exposing your face and throat. Not good.
If you find yourself on your back with a dog on top of you - try to control one front leg, and roll *towards* that leg, up and on the outside of it, whilst pulling the paw under you. That will break the leg :(
This will protect your throat at the same time.
I studied a form of jiu jitsu which has defences against dog attacks - Akita were originally bred as Samurai war dogs.
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About ten years ago Mr and Mrs V were outside a chip shop in Scarborough. A brute of a dog attacked my brother without warning and bit into his arm. He put his other arm over the dogs neck and bent its head back. It dropped to the ground almost instantly, alive but out for the count. Works for any but the strongest necked dogs(e.g. Rotweilers).
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I am very pleased that he is recovering. :y :y
I certainly agree with the majority about going for compensation, and hope that the dog is now peacefully at rest. :y
I have Labs, and think that you can tell the personality of an owner by the dog they keep, mine say hello and then go about their business if another dog wants to play then they will or ignore the other dog. If another dog shows aggression they lie down at my feet, and god help the owner of any unleashed dog that shows that sort of behaviour. >:( >:(
Keeping a particular type of dog be it a guard type, a field worker, assistance, or handbag dog require a certain skill and if you choose a strong security dog then be prepared to be the pack leader but ask yourself what can happen if you the pack leader is not around, who is the boss?
There are a lot of responsible owners of so called dangerous dogs but unfortunately a lot aren't so don't be surprised when other owners are wary and keep their distance or jump to conclusions. You don't hear of Labs, Spaniels, Poodles, Retrievers, Dalmations, Setters etc causing this type of problem. ;)
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Ah, didn't realise this was a personal attack, I'd been avoiding this thread up to now, sorry.
Sincerely hope the affects of this are as minimal as possible. But it sounds horrific and likely to be a long recovery by the sound of it. :(
Best wishes to all involved.
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Agree 100% with that.
Just one piece of info for oofer's about protecting yourself against a dog attack.
If a dog is on top of you and you feel your life is in danger, if you force his front legs apart far enough, it will split the dogs heart muscle and kill it instantly :(
I love dogs more the most humans but sadly, I feel I should share this with you all :(
I just hope nobody has to do it
Hope the lad recovers OK, phil - lucky escape :(
I'm not going to add to the discussion about "dangerous" dogs. Suffice to say, any dog can be dangerous - some learn it, some are just born bad. Same as humans. Same conclusion, as well - Death.
I've only really joined this thread because of the above. You're not going to be able to force a big dogs legs apart far enough to harm it without exposing your face and throat. Not good.
If you find yourself on your back with a dog on top of you - try to control one front leg, and roll *towards* that leg, up and on the outside of it, whilst pulling the paw under you. That will break the leg :(
This will protect your throat at the same time.
I studied a form of jiu jitsu which has defences against dog attacks - Akita were originally bred as Samurai war dogs.
That makes sence :)
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Sorry to hear about the attack - and like others I think you should be (well, he, once he's recovered enough) looking into some kind of compensation; tendon loss sounds worrying, certainly, and it all sounds like something that could haunt him in terms of lack of mobility/strength etc.
I hope he makes a full and speedy recovery!
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As a dog lover myself, it's hard to admit but in this type of situation the dog would have to go. What if this had been a small child? :'(
Phil, sounds like positive news although sounds like a long road ahead. All best from the T's :y
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Ref the dangerous dog act ............... am I right in thinking that it has changed VERY recently ?
Something to do with postman getting attacked in the past and not being able to claim due to the dog being on its owners premises so the law has been changed to cover :-\
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Keeping a particular type of dog be it a guard type, a field worker, assistance, or handbag dog require a certain skill and if you choose a strong security dog then be prepared to be the pack leader but ask yourself what can happen if you the pack leader is not around, who is the boss?
Absolutely agree... Our soppy Lab knows the pecking order... Daddy, Mummy, 3 cats, uncle John Cobbley,etc, etc, Puppy ;)
As any of you who have met Willow will know, she is very soppy and very obedient, except for the odd moment (but she is only 18 months) ;)
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Akita were originally bred as Samurai war dogs.
Totally incorrect.
Akita-Inu were owned by the "Shogun" and used to track large game.
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Akita were originally bred as Samurai war dogs.
Totally incorrect.
Akita-Inu were owned by the "Shogun" and used to track large game.
The breed were known as Matagi on Honsu and were hunting dogs especially for hunting bear, boar or deer.
They are strong, independent and very dominant.
They are considered a dangerous dog subject to legislation in many countries.
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Phil hasn't been on for two days. I hope it's all ok. :(
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Akita were originally bred as Samurai war dogs.
Totally incorrect.
Akita-Inu were owned by the "Shogun" and used to track large game.
cite?
The school I trained at had a 400 year old history - and taught defences against dogs. I was told, in Japan, that Akita were used as "war dogs", and the techniques were specifically designed for use against them - whilst wearing Samurai armour, though, TBH.
I'm not saying Akita weren't used to hunt game - but that wasn't their exclusive purpose.
If you're going to quote dog breed sites - don't forget that a dog club has a vested interest in promoting their breed as NOT dangerous.
having said that:
from http://www.dogbreedinfo.com/a/akitainu.htm (http://www.dogbreedinfo.com/a/akitainu.htm)
The breed has had many uses, such as police and military work, a guard dog (government and civilian), a fighting dog, a hunter of bear and deer and a sled dog
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My God Phil, I have just caught up with your thread!
How awful for you and your son. I just cannot imagine what you went through! :o :o :o :o :o
I sincerely hope all is now a lot better.
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Only just read this also. Absolutely horrific!
Sending your son and your family our best wishes Phil, hope there's some way your son can make a full-ish recovery
Jon
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Still no word. :-\