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Title: Loft insulation - how much
Post by: I_want_an_Omega on 17 October 2013, 20:44:22
It seems that the free/heavily discounted sources of loft insulation from the energy companies have dried up, & this stuff is actually blooming expensive to buy.  :'(

What's the optimal thickness? I'm thinking of adding 170mm on top of the stuff in place when we moved in, which was level with the tops of the joists.

Is that enough, will I notice a difference, has anyone any "experience based" comments please ......

Thanks - Rob
Title: Re: Loft insulation - how much
Post by: tigers_gonads on 17 October 2013, 21:08:10
Check to see if you can get a grant Rob  ;)

As for depth, I've a good 300mm with about 90% of the loft boarded on top  :y

Nice and warm  :)
Title: Re: Loft insulation - how much
Post by: chrisgixer on 17 October 2013, 21:18:12
We got ours free with a grant. Cavity wall insulation as well. There seems to be no limit to the depth, its between 1.5 to 2ft deep in places, in the loft.
Title: Re: Loft insulation - how much
Post by: Sir Tigger KC on 17 October 2013, 21:58:00
These guys insulated the loft of one of my rentals a few months ago.  They put in about 300mm and it was free!  :y

http://www.markgroup.co.uk/

HTH  :)
Title: Re: Loft insulation - how much
Post by: tidla on 17 October 2013, 22:36:53
A while back a lovely lass and a collegue knocked at my door and offered to provide free loft insulation.

I took them down the drive and pointed out the error of there ways. I have no loft. (flat roof property!)

Non of the schemes available at the time were of no use so i dropped the ceiling and fitted 200mm of celotex in the gap and joists.

Made a difference of 7c difference between an insulated room and one without.

(http://i1114.photobucket.com/albums/k536/tidla1/Celotex-PIR-Thermal-Insulation-100mm_large_zps833018e0.jpg)
Title: Re: Loft insulation - how much
Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 18 October 2013, 08:12:07
Yes, difficult to get any help with insulation at the moment, only available to those on some sort of benefit under normal practice.

I have been trying to get some sorted for my 75 year old mother in law and it looks like its going to cost full wack as she has her stae pension which is not considered a benefit.
Title: Re: Loft insulation - how much
Post by: Gaffers on 18 October 2013, 08:33:08
The landlord added an extra layer to our insulation about 2 years ago.  With the double glazing as well trapping the heat you find that the upstairs can get too warm if you set the temp to normal downstairs.  The downside is that you have to turn the heat down so the downstairs is a little too cold for my liking.

Cant grumble though  :y
Title: Re: Loft insulation - how much
Post by: I_want_an_Omega on 18 October 2013, 09:54:27
A while back a lovely lass and a collegue knocked at my door and offered to provide free loft insulation.

I took them down the drive and pointed out the error of there ways. I have no loft. (flat roof property!)

Non of the schemes available at the time were of no use so i dropped the ceiling and fitted 200mm of celotex in the gap and joists.

Made a difference of 7c difference between an insulated room and one without.

(http://i1114.photobucket.com/albums/k536/tidla1/Celotex-PIR-Thermal-Insulation-100mm_large_zps833018e0.jpg)

Cleotex is good stuff & blooming expensive as well ......
Title: Re: Loft insulation - how much
Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 18 October 2013, 10:41:55
Its not that pricey if you shop around.....local merchants to me I can get it for 15-16 notes for a 50mm thick 2.4m x 1.2m sheet (plus the dreaded).

But yes its very good stuff and essential for many applications
Title: Re: Loft insulation - how much
Post by: Shackeng on 18 October 2013, 15:51:01
Yes, difficult to get any help with insulation at the moment, only available to those on some sort of benefit under normal practice.

I have been trying to get some sorted for my 75 year old mother in law and it looks like its going to cost full wack as she has her stae pension which is not considered a benefit.

Interesting then that the Government keeps describing us as 'welfare recipients'.  >:( >:( >:(
Title: Re: Loft insulation - how much
Post by: biggriffin on 18 October 2013, 16:23:00
just had this in the post today,all about new goverment green deal
  www.energycaregroupltd.co.uk (http://www.energycaregroupltd.co.uk)
Title: Re: Loft insulation - how much
Post by: MR MISTER on 18 October 2013, 16:24:13
The landlord added an extra layer to our insulation about 2 years ago.  With the double glazing as well trapping the heat you find that the upstairs can get too warm if you set the temp to normal downstairs.  The downside is that you have to turn the heat down so the downstairs is a little too cold for my liking.

Cant grumble though  :y
You just did.
Title: Re: Loft insulation - how much
Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 18 October 2013, 16:26:57
Yes, difficult to get any help with insulation at the moment, only available to those on some sort of benefit under normal practice.

I have been trying to get some sorted for my 75 year old mother in law and it looks like its going to cost full wack as she has her stae pension which is not considered a benefit.

Interesting then that the Government keeps describing us as 'welfare recipients'.  >:( >:( >:(

Yep, you need to be on pension credit which pretty much excludes everybody with a fully paid up stamp.
Title: Re: Loft insulation - how much
Post by: ronnyd on 19 October 2013, 14:26:42
We got ours free with a grant. Cavity wall insulation as well. There seems to be no limit to the depth, its between 1.5 to 2ft deep in places, in the loft.

Yeah,ours looks like a big yellow snow drift :y
Title: Re: Loft insulation - how much
Post by: aaronjb on 19 October 2013, 22:57:18
But if you stick 12" or more of insulation up there.. where does everyone store all the years of accumulated boxes of crap super important stuff you can't bring yourself to throw out? ;D
Title: Re: Loft insulation - how much
Post by: Vamps on 19 October 2013, 23:02:18
But if you stick 12" or more of insulation up there.. where does everyone store all the years of accumulated boxes of crap super important stuff you can't bring yourself to throw out? ;D

You been peeking?................ :D ::) ::)
Title: Re: Loft insulation - how much
Post by: 05omegav6 on 20 October 2013, 02:10:11
In the garage with all the other crap :-X
Title: Re: Loft insulation - how much
Post by: Terbs on 20 October 2013, 09:57:13
I have just had a leaflet through the post. Full 100% to anyone insulating their home. Its from a company Freegrant on www.freegrant.co.uk It says regardless of, age, income or savings or employment status

I have not checked it out yet, as it only came Friday and I forgot about it. :y
Title: Re: Loft insulation - how much
Post by: tunnie on 20 October 2013, 10:08:05
Slightly off topic, and a random question.

Is cavity wall insulation standard in new build homes?
Title: Re: Loft insulation - how much
Post by: TheBoy on 20 October 2013, 10:22:29
Slightly off topic, and a random question.

Is cavity wall insulation standard in new build homes?
yes, part of the regs
Title: Re: Loft insulation - how much
Post by: tunnie on 20 October 2013, 10:23:28
Slightly off topic, and a random question.

Is cavity wall insulation standard in new build homes?
yes, part of the regs

Cheers  :y
Title: Re: Loft insulation - how much
Post by: scimmy_man on 20 October 2013, 19:53:13
not always, they can acheive the insulation values in other ways, but 99.99999% of the time yes.
Title: Re: Loft insulation - how much
Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 21 October 2013, 09:04:24
not always, they can acheive the insulation values in other ways, but 99.99999% of the time yes.

Not any more they cant, even a few years ago (and the regs are tighter now) a brick outer plus 75mm full fill cavity (there 100mm these days), plus thermalite block plus 10mm air gap plus plasterboard only just scraped through.
Title: Re: Loft insulation - how much
Post by: aaronjb on 21 October 2013, 14:09:17
Personally I've been thinking about something like this: http://www.markgroup.co.uk/homeowners/insulation/external-wall-insulation?gclid=CObc05v9p7oCFQrJtAod4X4AAw - given my pointing is in an awful state and the fact that injected insulation would most likely lead to damp..

Apparently it's very very popular in Germany (or something similar).
Title: Re: Loft insulation - how much
Post by: Sir Tigger KC on 21 October 2013, 14:20:15
I've been looking at that too, as I have an end terrace property, where the gable end is exposed and gets quite a battering in bad weather!  :(

I have a new tenant moving in there soon and she might be eligible for getting it done for free!  :y  Now what were we saying about escalating energy bills.....  :-\  ::)
Title: Re: Loft insulation - how much
Post by: omega3000 on 21 October 2013, 15:27:28
Personally I've been thinking about something like this: http://www.markgroup.co.uk/homeowners/insulation/external-wall-insulation?gclid=CObc05v9p7oCFQrJtAod4X4AAw - given my pointing is in an awful state and the fact that injected insulation would most likely lead to damp..

Apparently it's very very popular in Germany (or something similar).

Never seen that before but looks good  :) Having 9in solid wall it looks like the best option ..
Title: Re: Loft insulation - how much
Post by: scimmy_man on 21 October 2013, 17:34:51
not always, they can acheive the insulation values in other ways, but 99.99999% of the time yes.

Not any more they cant, even a few years ago (and the regs are tighter now) a brick outer plus 75mm full fill cavity (there 100mm these days), plus thermalite block plus 10mm air gap plus plasterboard only just scraped through.

yup I have only been doing this now for the past 40 years, what about internal/external insulation where due to exposure levels a cavity is a good idea?
ok its only one in 10.000 etc but can be done.