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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: chrisgixer on 23 October 2013, 21:22:42
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Soap door has busted off. I could replace door, but the machine is 12 years old, and its went through a phase of turning the glasses cloudy. I thought the newly installed water softener was feeding it. So stopped filling it with salt. It wasn't, its mains water fed ::)
Its a Bosch one and has been quite reliable. Oh, and the design of the top draw is rubbish compared to other models I've seen. Only one row of small plates is possible, so a few bowls in there and half the top draw is full.
Soap cubes I just leave on top of the cutlery basket. It seems to clean ok this way. So not overly fussed about fixing the soap door. (£50 parts) I'd rather have a newer DW tbh.
Fix or replace?
And while your there;
Does it need salt and rinse aid if using certain tablets? Finnish ? As a friend of ours insists his (non bosch) only needs tablets. ::)
And how to clean the cloudy ness off the glasses?
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Simple solution,get swmbo and make her do it all :y
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She does. I just can't be arsed to fix the soap door. ;)
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Any cheaper for the part from Hotpoint (as they made the Bosch dishwashers until recently)
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Woo, didn't know that. :y
I shall investigate.
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Buy another Bosch one :y
At £20 per year it's hardly worth worrying about ;D
For glasses try G3 compound. Salt essential if run of mains, and use a decent rinse aid, Finish best for that :y
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So white vinegar won't work, as I keep hearing it will. ::)
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Oh, and why do we get rust spots in the cutlery occasionally...? ???
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The last phase in a wash is the rinse.
If you live in a soft water area then it should work fine without salt.
If you live in a hard water area then the glasses will get rinsed with hot / hard water which will dry and leave the glass cloudy.
It strikes me that dishwasher tablets are a triumph of salesmanship. They cost more than separate powder and salt and don't work as well :(. If the tablets leave some kind of residue that doesn't get rinsed off then I would consider that as a fail (either the tablet is applying crap to the glass or the dishwasher hasn't rinsed properly).
Even soft water areas have some dissolved solids in the water so I occasionally chuck some salt in the softener to prevent limestain.
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Thats because its pattern cutlery not silver ;D ;D ;D
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Oh, and why do we get rust spots in the cutlery occasionally...? ???
I get that too - whats that all about?!
We use salt, rinse aid and tablets and get good results 90% of the time. :y
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Oh, and why do we get rust spots in the cutlery occasionally...? ???
I get that too - whats that all about?!
We use salt, rinse aid and tablets and get good results 90% of the time. :y
oh and we've found the Lidl dishwasher tablets the best - tried a fair few!!
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Oh, and why do we get rust spots in the cutlery occasionally...? ???
I get that too - whats that all about?!
We use salt, rinse aid and tablets and get good results 90% of the time. :y
oh and we've found the Lidl dishwasher tablets the best - tried a fair few!!
+1 on that one. :y By far the cheapest around .........
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ref rust on cutlery, best not to mix high carbon steel ( professional knives etc ) with stainless steel cutlery.
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Because stainless steel rusts in the presence of salt (hence why its best avoided on sea going vessels)
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Oh, and why do we get rust spots in the cutlery occasionally...? ???
We got that on knives if washed blades down, now put them in blades up, with no noticeable rust. :y
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We only use tablets in ours,no salt or rinse aid and no cloudy glasses,but very soft water down in these parts :y
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Gay boys, all of you.
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Oh, and why do we get rust spots in the cutlery occasionally...? ???
I get that too - whats that all about?!
We use salt, rinse aid and tablets and get good results 90% of the time. :y
oh and we've found the Lidl dishwasher tablets the best - tried a fair few!!
I read that as 'Lidl dishwasher tablets taste best' .. ;D
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Repair, every time ;)
Even hotpoint soap dispenser is £50, hence all the repairs to our soap door (washers, to force door one side, so spring doesn't keep unclipping). If its solenoid thats failed, that may be replacable.
ALWAYS use salt. all-in-one tablets are a bit of a con, may work OK in really soft areas. I'm not too hard where I am, but still need salt.
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Repair, every time ;)
Even hotpoint soap dispenser is £50, hence all the repairs to our soap door (washers, to force door one side, so spring doesn't keep unclipping). If its solenoid thats failed, that may be replacable.
ALWAYS use salt. all-in-one tablets are a bit of a con, may work OK in really soft areas. I'm not too hard where I am, but still need salt.
It's your age, son. ;)
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Repair, every time ;)
Even hotpoint soap dispenser is £50, hence all the repairs to our soap door (washers, to force door one side, so spring doesn't keep unclipping). If its solenoid thats failed, that may be replacable.
ALWAYS use salt. all-in-one tablets are a bit of a con, may work OK in really soft areas. I'm not too hard where I am, but still need salt.
It's your age, son. ;)
Well, its all downhill for here on in ;D. Hopefully not too long to go, seeing as I'm about to be butt-oppsed on my pension. Sigh.
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Repair, every time ;)
Even hotpoint soap dispenser is £50, hence all the repairs to our soap door (washers, to force door one side, so spring doesn't keep unclipping). If its solenoid thats failed, that may be replacable.
ALWAYS use salt. all-in-one tablets are a bit of a con, may work OK in really soft areas. I'm not too hard where I am, but still need salt.
Hotpoint do sell just the door though for about 15 notes....if its just the door.
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Yep, "all in one tablets" are a total con. They can't contain salt to regenerate the water softener, since there's no mechanism by which any substance in the tablet can get to the water softener resin. Any claims that they avoid the need for salt are pure BS.
Always used the bog standard powder with excellent results, until we recently bought a more efficient machine. Now use liquid because the machine either doesn't get hot enough or use enough water to fully dissolve the cheap powder. ::)
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I always use tablets....but then I have soft water
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Chris -why not instal on softened water instead of p***ing about. Use the tablets you just place in at start of process. I will have a Bosch coming out of service I think in next weeks as part of our kitchen refurb - it is not that old either.
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Plumber is in next week so could speak to him about re plumbing the DW to the water tank instead of mains.
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And any recommendations on a new one? :)
(Should we decide to replace)
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Chris -why not instal on softened water instead of p***ing about. Use the tablets you just place in at start of process. I will have a Bosch coming out of service I think in next weeks as part of our kitchen refurb - it is not that old either.
The problem is the machine probably does a rinse before using the detergent, so without the door to administer it at the right part of the programme, it might go to waste.
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I am not convinced that the point at which the salt is dispensed is nearly as important as you think given that all it does is regenerate the softener system resin and the resin will havea set amount of absorption ability.
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I knew there was something else.
How dry are your contents once its finished a wash?
Ours, leaves considerable water on/in plastic surfaces, mug bases, and anything that holds water. I realise it can't evaporate large pools of water, like in upturned source pan handle mouldings or similar, but surely the plastic surfaces should be dry...?
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Are the contents hot to touch when the cycle has finished, ours is nearly to hot to handle !
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I knew there was something else.
How dry are your contents once its finished a wash?
Ours, leaves considerable water on/in plastic surfaces, mug bases, and anything that holds water. I realise it can't evaporate large pools of water, like in upturned source pan handle mouldings or similar, but surely the plastic surfaces should be dry...?
Reasonably, as long as you leave for 20-30mins after it finishes. Bit wetter on eco-tree-hugging-hippy cycle, despite the already long dry time. But leccy is cheap, so its usually Normal or Intensive washes :P
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I always use tablets....but then I have soft water
So do I, but they must be finish 'all in one', tried other brands, none as good I've found out.....plus I put salt in the machine as well, it was recommended in the instructions for the machine if using tablets. I went to Thames Water web site to check the hardness where i live, again in the instructions, hardness rating according to instructions was to set the salt dispenser to no4......i set it to 3, seeing as there must be some salt in the tabs......seems to work ok :y
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Are the contents hot to touch when the cycle has finished, ours is nearly to hot to handle !
Certainly warm. I'll see if I can handle the items next time it washes.
Typically, it's just finished a wash half hour ago. ::)
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I knew there was something else.
How dry are your contents once its finished a wash?
Ours, leaves considerable water on/in plastic surfaces, mug bases, and anything that holds water. I realise it can't evaporate large pools of water, like in upturned source pan handle mouldings or similar, but surely the plastic surfaces should be dry...?
Reasonably, as long as you leave for 20-30mins after it finishes. Bit wetter on eco-tree-hugging-hippy cycle, despite the already long dry time. But leccy is cheap, so its usually Normal or Intensive washes :P
I think it depends on how much heat an item can retain the heat......plastics cool quickly as do light weight roasting dishes. Heavy items like saucepans, frying pans hold the heat for longer. Glass also seems to hold the heat for longer.
So in answer to your question.....I also find plastics and thin metal dishes usually still have water on them.....heavier items are generally fine.
Mugs sometimes still have water in the base of them....but i think thats because a mug has a slight lip on the base and therefore collects a small puddle of water in it :y
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Mugs and saucepan handles annoy me. The mugs should have slots in the base so water can run off in the DW, ...and so they dont drop the caster on your knackers when your sipping hot tea ;D
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And any recommendations on a new one? :)
(Should we decide to replace)
Dont buy an Indesit......its 50/50 if it actually washes them.
Mine is about 2 years old.....and bloody temperamental....sometimes fine and does what it suppose to do.....other times I have to turn it on and off several times before it will start to wash.....i think its got a pump problem....but then its £90 to get indesit out to fix it (apparently no matter what is wrong with it) and its not a diy option as a new pump is over £100....so i just live with it.....until it pisses me off to much......then i think it maybe Bosch option as Taxi Al suggests, as a previous Bosch I had last 15 years before it died :y
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Mugs and saucepan handles annoy me. The mugs should have slots in the base so water can run off in the DW, ...and so they dont drop the caster on your knackers when your sipping hot tea ;D
You didnt say why saucepan handles annoy you ::)
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Mugs and saucepan handles annoy me. The mugs should have slots in the base so water can run off in the DW, ...and so they dont drop the caster on your knackers when your sipping hot tea ;D
You didnt say why saucepan handles annoy you ::)
I can't imagine what the deviant does with pan handles, Dave. But I'm trying my best. ;D
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Our first Bosch lasted at least 12 years, finally died when it rusted internally and sprung a leak ::) current one at least 6 years old and still going strong :y
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I'd like to say that my Hotpoint is 7yrs old... ...but trying to think what bits are still original ;D
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Mugs and saucepan handles annoy me. The mugs should have slots in the base so water can run off in the DW, ...and so they dont drop the caster on your knackers when your sipping hot tea ;D
You didnt say why saucepan handles annoy you ::)
Ah yes - likewise. The water sits on the top of cups and in the recess of pan handles, you lift it out after the cycle has completed and it wets all the stuff underneath!
not the end of the world but it annoys me too ;D
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Mugs and saucepan handles annoy me. The mugs should have slots in the base so water can run off in the DW, ...and so they dont drop the caster on your knackers when your sipping hot tea ;D
You didnt say why saucepan handles annoy you ::)
Ah yes - likewise. The water sits on the top of cups and in the recess of pan handles, you lift it out after the cycle has completed and it wets all the stuff underneath!
not the end of the world but it annoys me too ;D
Don't you know nuffink ??? :) :) :)
ALWAYS empty the bottom tray first, prevents exactly the problem you describe ... :)
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Mugs and saucepan handles annoy me. The mugs should have slots in the base so water can run off in the DW, ...and so they dont drop the caster on your knackers when your sipping hot tea ;D
You didnt say why saucepan handles annoy you ::)
Ah yes - likewise. The water sits on the top of cups and in the recess of pan handles, you lift it out after the cycle has completed and it wets all the stuff underneath!
not the end of the world but it annoys me too ;D
Don't you know nuffink ??? :) :) :)
ALWAYS empty the bottom tray first, prevents exactly the problem you describe ... :)
SWMBO tells me that all the time - but when I want to grab a bown first thing in the morning I slide the top tray out and thats enough to wet everything!
I need to learn ;D
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I'd like to say that my Hotpoint is 7yrs old... ...but trying to think what bits are still original ;D
Where as my hotpoint is 15 years old and just fine, having already said, hotpoint top end (ultima) models are exactly the same as Bosch.
I have mixed views of Bosch stuff, my Bosch oven is rubbish and yet expensive, Bosch power tools are middle of the road and the tumble dryar seems ok thus fat. Hence research required as the brand does not guarantee quality
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I'd like to say that my Hotpoint is 7yrs old... ...but trying to think what bits are still original ;D
Where as my hotpoint is 15 years old and just fine, having already said, hotpoint top end (ultima) models are exactly the same as Bosch.
I have mixed views of Bosch stuff, my Bosch oven is rubbish and yet expensive, Bosch power tools are middle of the road and the tumble dryar seems ok thus fat. Hence research required as the brand does not guarantee quality
My previous dish tosher was an Ultima, but was actually hopeless. Not only reliability, but the actual wash performance was poor. Hotpoint said it was OK when it was under warranty. I replaced the spray arms, as the top one in particular as a bit too sloppy, but it didn't improve, and I wasn't prepared to change the wash pump on the off chance. So when it went wrong again, I just replaced it.
I think it was just a poor model. I think too much emphasis to get it energy efficient at the expense of wash performance.
The one I have now still has poor reliability, but its wash performance is good, so worth repairing when it goes wrong.
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So there you have it, had you paid more for a Bosch you would have had the same issues and reliability
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So there you have it, had you paid more for a Bosch you would have had the same issues and reliability
Yes, indeed. I think that Ultima was about £550 in 2001, and the Bosch one (which had a slightly different door/control panel) was over £600, but looked identical inside.
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The biggest problem with the newer stuff is the total lack of a high temp setting. It's a good idea to do a light load on the hottest heavy duty setting once in a while just to flush all the built up grease etc from the waste pipe :y
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The biggest problem with the newer stuff is the total lack of a high temp setting. It's a good idea to do a light load on the hottest heavy duty setting once in a while just to flush all the built up grease etc from the waste pipe :y
My washing machine (Hotpoint, cold feed only) has a 90° setting, but if you set it to that, it does nothing, won't even fill.
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The biggest problem with the newer stuff is the total lack of a high temp setting. It's a good idea to do a light load on the hottest heavy duty setting once in a while just to flush all the built up grease etc from the waste pipe :y
Backed on casserole dished need lots of hot water. As do engine parts.
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The biggest problem with the newer stuff is the total lack of a high temp setting. It's a good idea to do a light load on the hottest heavy duty setting once in a while just to flush all the built up grease etc from the waste pipe :y
Backed on casserole dished need lots of hot water. As do engine parts.
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Small engine parts are ok in a washing machine, as long as you remember to kill the spin.
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I try telling Mother that, but she won't have it, so every 18 months or so I get to clear the garage out to get to the waste pipe in order to dismantle, clear, refit ::)
Keep forgetting to sort all the crap out in the process. Might get a skip next time and empty the garage into two piles... one for car parts and tools, and the skip for the rest of it. Could then chuck the skip on Ebay, 99p start, no reserve, buyer collects. EMD will probably end up buying it though... for 99p ::)
http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/index.php?topic=90524.0
Ok if wrapped in a towel and placed in a pillow case :y
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Mugs and saucepan handles annoy me. The mugs should have slots in the base so water can run off in the DW, ...and so they dont drop the caster on your knackers when your sipping hot tea ;D
You didnt say why saucepan handles annoy you ::)
Ah yes - likewise. The water sits on the top of cups and in the recess of pan handles, you lift it out after the cycle has completed and it wets all the stuff underneath!
not the end of the world but it annoys me too ;D
Don't you know nuffink ??? :) :) :)
ALWAYS empty the bottom tray first, prevents exactly the problem you describe ... :)
SWMBO tells me that all the time - but when I want to grab a bown first thing in the morning I slide the top tray out and thats enough to wet everything!
I need to learn ;D
Yes bottom tray first, BUT, I draw the line at wearing wellys just to make a cup of tea in the morning, and emptying the entire bottom tray with saucepan handles dropping water over my feet and floor before I can get to the delight of the dripping mugs and making tea.
The result being, get the Mrs to make the tea while I stay in bed. ...ah, maybe its a good design floor after all. :o ;D
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Mugs and saucepan handles annoy me. The mugs should have slots in the base so water can run off in the DW, ...and so they dont drop the caster on your knackers when your sipping hot tea ;D
You didnt say why saucepan handles annoy you ::)
Ah yes - likewise. The water sits on the top of cups and in the recess of pan handles, you lift it out after the cycle has completed and it wets all the stuff underneath!
not the end of the world but it annoys me too ;D
Don't you know nuffink ??? :) :) :)
ALWAYS empty the bottom tray first, prevents exactly the problem you describe ... :)
SWMBO tells me that all the time - but when I want to grab a bown first thing in the morning I slide the top tray out and thats enough to wet everything!
I need to learn ;D
Yes bottom tray first, BUT, I draw the line at wearing wellys just to make a cup of tea in the morning, and emptying the entire bottom tray with saucepan handles dropping water over my feet and floor before I can get to the delight of the dripping mugs and making tea.
The result being, get the Mrs to make the tea while I stay in bed. ...ah, maybe its a good design floor after all. :o ;D
I'll let you instruct my dear lady to wake up before me and have my morning tea ready when I get up.... :-X :)
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Flaw, I meant flaw. Bah.
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So there you have it, had you paid more for a Bosch you would have had the same issues and reliability
Yes, indeed. I think that Ultima was about £550 in 2001, and the Bosch one (which had a slightly different door/control panel) was over £600, but looked identical inside.
The Bosch has the same controls and basic display but uses 90 degree angles on the front panel.....well it is supposed to look German
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The result being, get the Mrs to make the tea while I stay in bed. ...ah, maybe its a good design floor after all. :o ;D
I'm confuddled, why should making the tea in the morning be a result of the dishwasher? Surely Mrs G knows that the first cup of the day is womens work?
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The result being, get the Mrs to make the tea while I stay in bed. ...ah, maybe its a good design floor after all. :o ;D
I'm confuddled, why should making the tea in the morning be a result of the dishwasher? Surely Mrs G knows that the first cup of the day is womens work?
...as is emptying the dishwasher. Filling blue, emptying pink. :)
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Mugs and saucepan handles annoy me. The mugs should have slots in the base so water can run off in the DW, ...and so they dont drop the caster on your knackers when your sipping hot tea ;D
You didnt say why saucepan handles annoy you ::)
Ah yes - likewise. The water sits on the top of cups and in the recess of pan handles, you lift it out after the cycle has completed and it wets all the stuff underneath!
not the end of the world but it annoys me too ;D
Don't you know nuffink ??? :) :) :)
ALWAYS empty the bottom tray first, prevents exactly the problem you describe ... :)
SWMBO tells me that all the time - but when I want to grab a bown first thing in the morning I slide the top tray out and thats enough to wet everything!
I need to learn ;D
Yes bottom tray first, BUT, I draw the line at wearing wellys just to make a cup of tea in the morning, and emptying the entire bottom tray with saucepan handles dropping water over my feet and floor before I can get to the delight of the dripping mugs and making tea.
The result being, get the Mrs to make the tea while I stay in bed. ...ah, maybe its a good design floor after all. :o ;D
Can't you afford a Teasmade you tight g*t?
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Mugs and saucepan handles annoy me. The mugs should have slots in the base so water can run off in the DW, ...and so they dont drop the caster on your knackers when your sipping hot tea ;D
You didnt say why saucepan handles annoy you ::)
Ah yes - likewise. The water sits on the top of cups and in the recess of pan handles, you lift it out after the cycle has completed and it wets all the stuff underneath!
not the end of the world but it annoys me too ;D
Don't you know nuffink ??? :) :) :)
ALWAYS empty the bottom tray first, prevents exactly the problem you describe ... :)
SWMBO tells me that all the time - but when I want to grab a bown first thing in the morning I slide the top tray out and thats enough to wet everything!
I need to learn ;D
Yes bottom tray first, BUT, I draw the line at wearing wellys just to make a cup of tea in the morning, and emptying the entire bottom tray with saucepan handles dropping water over my feet and floor before I can get to the delight of the dripping mugs and making tea.
The result being, get the Mrs to make the tea while I stay in bed. ...ah, maybe its a good design floor after all. :o ;D
Can't you afford a Teasmade you tight g*t?
The butler doesn't start until 9am, sadly I'm at work by then ;D