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Chat Area => General Car Chat => Topic started by: Crazycarzowner on 11 November 2013, 17:46:19
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>:( >:( >:( 50k on the clock & timing chain decides to let go today :o :o :o Glad I ain't paying for it!
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what model and how old?
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I blame the driver :P
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How often did it get oil changes? Was the oil always low?
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61 plate 530D tourer, no warning either. Had correct oil level, all driver pre-checks done, so no driver errors (STEMO) :P only serviced recently too. Bloody useless piece of scrap metal!!! >:(
Bring back the Volvo's Pleeeeeese :'(
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Faulty part then >:(
My mate got a brand new 1 series as a company car. 4 months in... gearbox gone. the ultimate driving machine my butt ::)
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Shocking failures these, such low miles too!
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Faulty part then >:(
My mate got a brand new 1 series as a company car. 4 months in... gearbox gone. the ultimate driving machine my butt ::)
So I've heard :-*
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shit can happen to all car brands - as long as manufacturer plays the game and minimises hassle and expense then it can be eealt with. all the faults listed above should be warranty if service schedule followed.
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;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Faulty part then >:(
My mate got a brand new 1 series as a company car. 4 months in... gearbox gone. the ultimate driving machine my butt ::)
So I've heard :-*
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Faulty part then >:(
My mate got a brand new 1 series as a company car. 4 months in... gearbox gone. the ultimate driving machine my butt ::)
So I've heard :-*
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D should read before I post
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To be really honest, they are a lovely drive and for such a big heavy car can shift (even being a wheasel)! Handling ain't too bad, bit skittish in the wet. BUT and its a big BUT, the reliability is shocking!!!! Too many sensors throwing up too many insignificant warnings eg. DPF, air-suspension, tyre inflation, light beams etc. to name a few.....
With Volvo we got what we asked for big car, big turbo, built on the tough rugged Diesel chassis, no air suspension and it went like stink. No daft sensors, just awesome performance. Last one we had, we nursed around to 190k before we said goodbye. All on just 3 clutches, and normal wear & tear bits & pieces.....oh and a little cosmetic rearranging here & there ::) ::) :-[
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To be really honest, they are a lovely drive and for such a big heavy car can shift (even being a wheasel)!
You're not wrong there, I've got a 99 (T Plate) 530D Estate that consistently returns 40+mpg at 80mph and doesn't complain in the slightest when a bit of cherry is thrown in the tank.
The only thing that doesn't work is the reversing sensors (constant tone when it goes in to reverse), but fortunately god decided to give me a backup solution in the form of eyes.
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99 (T Plate) 530D Estate
That's my point, the older, less complicated ones are far superior
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Does help that the Plod Volvos were built specifically as Plod cars, rather than debaged dealer stock ::)
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99 (T Plate) 530D Estate
That's my point, the older, less complicated ones are far superior
I agree, the new Beemers are utter shite compared to the old school stuff IMHO.
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99 (T Plate) 530D Estate
That's my point, the older, less complicated ones are far superior
I agree, the new Beemers are utter shite compared to the old school stuff IMHO.
I think the E39's are cracking cars and good to look at too.
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I think the E39's are cracking cars and good to look at too.
It has to be the best £900 I ever spent Henry, and IMHO it beats the MIG hands down (/me ducks down and waits for the bullets ;D )
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My brother is talking about buying either a used 330d coupe or a new 1 or 3 series x-drive 2.0d to replace his company Antara ::) the only advice I have been able to give him is that he either buys new, with a new car guarantee, or he buys an approved used with an unconditional written guarantee against engine/ancilliary failure...
His first thought was a ten year Seat Cordoba, but his missus has offered to lop his blocks off and divorce him if he does ;D so the BMW idea is an improvement :-\
I had found him a nice 2.2dti Elite estate, with the selling points of it being diesel, manual, rear wheel drive and pretty cheap to run... also half the price of the Seat...
He won't accept the idea that a BMW might be more of a liability than an Omega though...
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61 plate 530D tourer, no warning either. Had correct oil level, all driver pre-checks done, so no driver errors (STEMO) :P only serviced recently too. Bloody useless piece of scrap metal!!! >:(
Bring back the Volvo's Pleeeeeese :'(
No front or rear wheel drive preferences for plod then? :)
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Some were AWD, so not a total cop out (no pun intended), besides the drivers don't pay for the tyres ::)
My uncle maintains that the V70 is the most stable car he ever drove on duty...
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I think the E39's are cracking cars and good to look at too.
It has to be the best £900 I ever spent Henry, and IMHO it beats the MIG hands down (/me ducks down and waits for the bullets ;D )
When did you get that then? Might have to come see it at some point, as I will be moving over near your way soon. Always have liked E39 shape :)
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I think the E39's are cracking cars and good to look at too.
It has to be the best £900 I ever spent Henry, and IMHO it beats the MIG hands down (/me ducks down and waits for the bullets ;D )
I would agree,they are lovely cars although sadly many are tired now,find a cherished one though and its all good :y :y
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When did you get that then? Might have to come see it at some point, as I will be moving over near your way soon. Always have liked E39 shape :)
Got it from a mate a couple of three weeks ago Mark. 90K on the clock, years ticket, and 3 months tax still remaining. I'll put some pics up in the next couple of days or so when I can find the energy to get off the sofa.
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I hate timing chains, the fact they do fail, they do get noisy, the guides and adjusters do wear......yet they have no service intervals.
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I hate timing chains, the fact they do fail, they do get noisy, the guides and adjusters do wear......yet they have no service intervals.
I used to have merc c220 with a timing chain...never replaced.....175k until i retired it and sold....7 years old.....but that car was a good 'un apart from normal wear and tear items.....in 175k it needed a new air con rad..thermostat..and alternator and that was it! I only sold it because the idiots in my local council...claimed it was too old to use as a private hire vehicle. They have since changed the rules to 10years...but was too late for my merc..
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Friend of mine bought a 56 plate 520d from a dealers the engine went on that one big style too!He had it replaced with a recon unit and then had no end of problems with the flywheel[dual mass?]just got that sorted and his missus wrote it off!!Replaced it with a 05 plate 530d with M sport suspension,personally I couldn't live with it as I find the ride way too uncomfortable!but each to their own.
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Friend of mine bought a 56 plate 520d from a dealers the engine went on that one big style too!He had it replaced with a recon unit and then had no end of problems with the flywheel[dual mass?]just got that sorted and his missus wrote it off!!Replaced it with a 05 plate 530d with M sport suspension,personally I couldn't live with it as I find the ride way too uncomfortable!but each to their own.
Sport suspension combined with runflats does give a truly awful ride :-X
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Friend of mine bought a 56 plate 520d from a dealers the engine went on that one big style too!He had it replaced with a recon unit and then had no end of problems with the flywheel[dual mass?]just got that sorted and his missus wrote it off!!Replaced it with a 05 plate 530d with M sport suspension,personally I couldn't live with it as I find the ride way too uncomfortable!but each to their own.
Sport suspension combined with runflats does give a truly awful ride :-X
I personally found the M-Sport suspension quite comfortable, but those runflats definitely make a difference for the worse where the ride quality is concerned IMO.
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I hate timing chains, the fact they do fail, they do get noisy, the guides and adjusters do wear......yet they have no service intervals.
I used to have merc c220 with a timing chain...never replaced.....175k until i retired it and sold....7 years old.....but that car was a good 'un apart from normal wear and tear items.....in 175k it needed a new air con rad..thermostat..and alternator and that was it! I only sold it because the idiots in my local council...claimed it was too old to use as a private hire vehicle. They have since changed the rules to 10years...but was too late for my merc..
No age limit once plated here :y fank thuck :-X
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I hate timing chains, the fact they do fail, they do get noisy, the guides and adjusters do wear......yet they have no service intervals.
Now go and listen to the noisy timing chain on a XK engine, any Merc 6, or even a high mileage Rootes 4. They don't have service intervals, because being properly designed and specified, you'll have the engine apart for other reasons well before the timing chain fails.
The reason modern ones fail is because they are longer, tend to be under more strain(higher lift cams, high compression ratios and faster engine speeds), and most importantly look like they were stolen off a 3 year old child's wrist. And that's before you find that some oppswit decided to put the damn thing at the back of the engine, making replacing it when it fails an engine out job. I wouldn't be surprised to find some engineer at BMW has a folder full of reasons why it would be 'better' there than at the front, even though his colleagues should have battered him with it when he suggested the idea.
Older cambelts are similar; Ford's Pinto doesn't suffer much from belt failures as it only drives the cam and oil-pump. Plus changing one takes about 30 mins with no special tools. If only moderns one were as straightforward!
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VW have taken to chains on their bigger diesels ::) all buried at the back of the block...
Any one who buys a boat fitted with a VW vee diesel will be pretty miffed when the superstructure has to be removed to change the chain engine after the chain snaps...
http://www.clubtouareg.com/forums/f73/timing-belt-faq-65076.html (http://www.clubtouareg.com/forums/f73/timing-belt-faq-65076.html)
Duck fat ::)
As tempting a package as a lwb Phaeton/A8 is, there has to be a catch, and when that catch reveals itself I would rather be footing the bill :-\
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Older cambelts are similar; Ford's Pinto doesn't suffer much from belt failures as it only drives the cam and oil-pump. Plus changing one takes about 30 mins with no special tools. If only moderns one were as straightforward!
I'm not sure many cars, old or new, suffer from cam belt failures if they are replaced on schedule and competently. I would take a belt over a chain any day of the week.
The problem with modern cars, especially fleet material like BMW and VAG junk is that their prime concern is TCO for the first 3 or 4 years and 100k miles. That's what the fleet buyers are interested in, and if they can make a chain that'll limp on to 100-120k where a belt would have required a change by then, that's what they'll do. They couldn't give a monkeys if the cost of replacement then writes the car off because selling it new is all they care about.
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I hate timing chains, the fact they do fail, they do get noisy, the guides and adjusters do wear......yet they have no service intervals.
Now go and listen to the noisy timing chain on a XK engine, any Merc 6, or even a high mileage Rootes 4. They don't have service intervals, because being properly designed and specified, you'll have the engine apart for other reasons well before the timing chain fails.
That Nick, is utter rubbish.
They dont have service intervals becuase they are deemed to be able to last 100K miles, well before anything else on an engine is due to break but outside of what is considered design life.
Issues have occured on timing chains since the day dot on all manufacturers, yes modern chains have more to do and are often simplex due to space constraints but check an old chain setup, see how mcuh stretch there is and how far the cam timing is out (Rover V8 is a classic example, shortest chain setup you will ever see and yet stretch by 60k miles).
Noise is not the be all and end all, the key thing they should be doing is controlling the cam timing, and this is not possible on a multilink steel chain running on gears over the life of an engine no matter who designed it.
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Just found out today that the BM won't be back till beginning of December :o :o :o What the hell are they doing with it to take so long???
>:( >:( >:(
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Just found out today that the BM won't be back till beginning of December :o :o :o What the hell are they doing with it to take so long???
>:( >:( >:(
The YTS lad is doing it..
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The YTS lad is doing it..
Could understand that if it was being done at HQ, but its gone back to BMW! ::)
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Probably repairing the head, and waiting for parts from Germany ::)
Sooo much quicker just to drop a new engine in ::)
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Probably repairing the head, and waiting for parts from Germany ::)
Sooo much quicker just to drop a new engine in ::)
Soooo much cheaper to repair it - depends on which dept is paying for it. The reason I say that is that back in 1997 a pal on mine in BT had a (then new) Omega and it needed a new engine due to the cambelt breaking. The dealer invoice for the new engine was over £8k. So, wind that forwards a few years and you would be looking at well over ten I would think.
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Probably repairing the head, and waiting for parts from Germany ::)
Sooo much quicker just to drop a new engine in ::)
Soooo much cheaper to repair it - depends on which dept is paying for it. The reason I say that is that back in 1997 a pal on mine in BT had a (then new) Omega and it needed a new engine due to the cambelt breaking. The dealer invoice for the new engine was over £8k. So, wind that forwards a few years and you would be looking at well over ten I would think.
1997, 8K for an engine. 2013, 8K for 8 omegas. ;D
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Probably repairing the head, and waiting for parts from Germany ::)
Sooo much quicker just to drop a new engine in ::)
Soooo much cheaper to repair it - depends on which dept is paying for it. The reason I say that is that back in 1997 a pal on mine in BT had a (then new) Omega and it needed a new engine due to the cambelt breaking. The dealer invoice for the new engine was over £8k. So, wind that forwards a few years and you would be looking at well over ten I would think.
1997, 8K for an engine. 2013, 8K for 8 omegas. ;D
8, more than that surely!
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Probably repairing the head, and waiting for parts from Germany ::)
Sooo much quicker just to drop a new engine in ::)
Soooo much cheaper to repair it - depends on which dept is paying for it. The reason I say that is that back in 1997 a pal on mine in BT had a (then new) Omega and it needed a new engine due to the cambelt breaking. The dealer invoice for the new engine was over £8k. So, wind that forwards a few years and you would be looking at well over ten I would think.
1997, 8K for an engine. 2013, 8K for 18 omegas. ;D
Sounds about right. :y
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Probably repairing the head, and waiting for parts from Germany ::)
Sooo much quicker just to drop a new engine in ::)
Soooo much cheaper to repair it - depends on which dept is paying for it. The reason I say that is that back in 1997 a pal on mine in BT had a (then new) Omega and it needed a new engine due to the cambelt breaking. The dealer invoice for the new engine was over £8k. So, wind that forwards a few years and you would be looking at well over ten I would think.
1997, 8K for an engine. 2013, 8K for 18 omegas. ;D
Sounds about right. :y
except maintenance ::)
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Probably repairing the head, and waiting for parts from Germany ::)
Sooo much quicker just to drop a new engine in ::)
Soooo much cheaper to repair it - depends on which dept is paying for it. The reason I say that is that back in 1997 a pal on mine in BT had a (then new) Omega and it needed a new engine due to the cambelt breaking. The dealer invoice for the new engine was over £8k. So, wind that forwards a few years and you would be looking at well over ten I would think.
1997, 8K for an engine. 2013, 8K for 18 omegas. ;D
Sounds about right. :y
except maintenance ::)
Yep. We're back to 8K a year now.
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Just found out today that the BM won't be back till beginning of December :o :o :o What the hell are they doing with it to take so long???
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Repairing all the other damage that you lot have managed to do to it when driving over those speed humps at insane speeds on a chase ;D ;D
They are probably awaiting parts from Germany. I had to wait 15 (yes, 15) days for a handbrake spring repair kit for my E36 when I had it last year as it wasn't a stock item.
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Probably repairing the head, and waiting for parts from Germany ::)
Sooo much quicker just to drop a new engine in ::)
Soooo much cheaper to repair it - depends on which dept is paying for it. The reason I say that is that back in 1997 a pal on mine in BT had a (then new) Omega and it needed a new engine due to the cambelt breaking. The dealer invoice for the new engine was over £8k. So, wind that forwards a few years and you would be looking at well over ten I would think.
Something smells there as Vx exchange engines have all been sub 2K for the last 18 years including the V6, I recall somebody driiving through a large puddle in around 1997 and hydraulicing a straight six diesel and the engine was £4500. At the time the talk was of a what a rip off BMW engines were.
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The YTS lad is doing it..
Could understand that if it was being done at HQ, but its gone back to BMW! ::)
BMW employ as many useless mechanics as everybody else so dont worry ;D
It is a major job though, best part of two days work to remove and refit the engine on these
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Surely less than a day with a plasma cutter and welder ::)