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Chat Area => General Car Chat => Topic started by: MarkG on 22 November 2013, 18:13:27
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I'm a regular user of the A50 between the M6 and the M1. It's a dual carriageway with plenty of long straight bits and few roundabouts. When you get to the other side of Stoke it is rarely congested and you can really 'make rapid progress' especially late at night.
...........Except that is when one HGV tries to overtake another. It is not uncommon to get stuck behind one that takes up to 2 miles to inch past the one on the inside lane. Meanwhile a huge line of frustrated car and van drivers builds up behind it. Why do HGVs bother going for an overtake? At the tiny speed differentials between speed limited HGVs, going for an overtake makes no difference to their journey time. Is it to irritate all other road users?
I'm the angry one standing on my horn as I pass the selfish so and so when he finally pulls back into the inside lane. Just so he knows what I think of his driving.
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Yes! They bloody do!
Nout else to do at 56mph.
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When I was a Lorryist, I used to back off a bit when another truck pulled out, to avoid that painfully long overtake and let them get past quickly. :)
Not many truck drivers do that though and are happy to cruise along while the other 'millimetres' past.... :-\
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It causes mayhem on the m4 of an evening. There on the horizon, two lorries side by side. ... pulls in, and miraculously the M4 becomes relatively clear.
Hacks me right off tbh.
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Was driving an underpowered 7.5t puddle jumper yesterday... came off a dual carriageway roundabout slogging through the gearbox... 31,32,33,34mph etc, with a couple of artics in front. In the outside lane a Zafira flew past accelerating hard, practically being pushed by another artic.
As it blasted past me I saw why...it was one of theses...
http://www.volvotrucks.com/SiteCollectionImages/VTC/Market/Trucks/Volvo-FH-16-750/Gallery/1024x768_750_1_highres.jpg (http://www.volvotrucks.com/SiteCollectionImages/VTC/Market/Trucks/Volvo-FH-16-750/Gallery/1024x768_750_1_highres.jpg) 8)
Of course being the EU, as soon as he reached the lead truck he hit his limiter ;D which coincidentally was at about the same time the lead truck hit his ::) a brief traffic jam later...
By the time I reached the next roundabout half a mile later, said Volvo was already out of sight on the next stretch :o
I reckon the 0-56 time of one of those is probably quick enough to worry Tunnies Desmond ::)
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Saw one of those but the 620s I think, parked outside Kingston Rail bridge. Bet without any load if would shift. That said, that one did have a huge crane behind the back of the cab!
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Gotta love an FH750 8)
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Gotta love an FH750 8)
£140k is alot of love though... ::)
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Try driving East from Rochdale on the M62. Four lanes, three of which have HGVs doing from 56.1 through to 56.2 all attempting an overtake when they've not a snow ball's chance in hell overtaking any of them by the time they get to 'The Little House on the Prairie' which leaves just one lane left for us plebs in cars. Amongst them you'll get a trilby hat wearing old bloke that's not been in the outside lane ever and has never been faster than 60 mph ....... so that sets the speed for every other bugger behind him. It's about time someone in government, grew a set & banned HGV's from various outer lanes ie 3 & 4 of a 4 lane motorway at peak times and at motorway junctions .... like they do Europe.
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Yeah I'd go with that, see it in Euroland and works well
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That wouldn't affect the price of goods much ::)
Better solution would be to level the playing field, tell Bruscles to sod off, and remove the limiters, with a minimum motorwazy limit of 50mph and raise the max to 80mph for everyone :y
Oh and allow undertaking...
That should wake everyone up ;D
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As with everything else in life, you can't lump all HGV drivers into a single category. Most are professional and safe, others are.........not.
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Another trait of our 'Kings of the Highway' that pi$$es me right off is when they pull out in front of me at the foot of an umpteen mile long hill because they reckon the car & caravan won't be any faster up the hill than they will! Some cars & caravans can maintain 60(+) up & down dale all day long!!!!!!! >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
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As can some trucks to be fair :-\
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As with everything else in life, you can't lump all HGV drivers into a single category. Most are professional and safe, others are.........not.
lots though, drive under the rules of ........ Might has Right!
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As can some trucks to be fair :-\
I wouldn't be stuck behind the barstewards in lane 2 if the could/did
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As can some trucks to be fair :-\
Luton's with tail lifts can't. ;D
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That's only because rental companies buy the cheapest, most underpowered ones they can ::)
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I'm watching Eddie Stobart. All of his drivers are marvellous chaps. ::)
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More than can be said for their management ::)
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I'm watching Eddie Stobart. All of his drivers are marvellous chaps. ::)
To be fair.... No they're not are they. ;D
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I did a trip to Poland once in a 7.5 tonner, and reasoned that as my unladened weight was 3.5 tonne and I wasn't carrying much more than a couple of tonnes, I was OK to use the outside lane on the autobahns in Germany where there were 7.5t tonne weight limits. ::) :)
Many of the cars drivers clearly thought the same as I got lots of flashing lights congratulating me, and many 'Hello Englander!' hand gestures!! ;D ;D ;D
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My pet peeve on the A1M. The number of times I have to stand on my brake because some idiot in a lorry wants to overtake. If I am not mistaken, isn't it wrong to cause another vehicle to perform an emergency brake or manoeuvre due to your manoeuvre. But most of the truckers on the A1M dont seem to care. The few considerate truckers I have seen are the ones that voluntarily slow down so that the idiot overtaking takes 2 minutes rather than 20 to complete the overtaking process. It really slows traffic down.
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In such circumstances, with the middle lane now clear forward of the truck, its entirely acceptable to sit in the traffic free lane 2 at 2 or 3 mph slower than 56.
...in my humble opinion of course. ::)
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I think overtaking for LGVs should be banned between the hours of 7am and 7pm ::)
The between A41 Chester and Whitchurch poxes me off. You get stuck behind 2 LGV doing 40mph and the second LGV is right up the chuff of the first so mo gap to nip into should you run out of road when over taking so your stuck for 20 miles. Then you get the sign for a dual carriageway in 1 mile, brilliant. You get to the dual carriageway and the second truck pulls out to overtake the first truck but the driver has burried his foot so they accelerate at the same speed. The overtaking truck either gets past very slowly at the end of the dual carriageway leaving you stranded at the side of the first truck and there's no way he's going to be letting you in or the second truck has to pull back in and everything goes back to how it was for the last 20 miles.
My question is. If the first LGV driver was happy doing 40mph for the last 20 miles why bury the throttle for a mile of dual carriageway ???
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I was on he A12 on the way to Smacktown on sea on Friday. Inside lane at exactly 60moh (cant remember why) and the artic behind me kept gtting closer,and then pulled out and overtook me !
I remarked to swmbo that afaik they are supposed to be restricted to 56mph ( it wasn't a foreign reg either). There was a car in front of me,which the HGV driver failed to notice apparently,because as soon as he passed me he started to pull back in.
The car driver swung left until his n/s wheels were actually of the side of the road,at which point the HGV driver noticed he was there and quickly swung back out into the outside lane.
It was shocking to behold (and I imagine almost heart attack provoking for the driver of the car in front) and imo, the HGV driver should be either banned from going outside his own house, or shot in front of his family. ::)
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I was on he A12 on the way to Smacktown on sea on Friday. Inside lane at exactly 60moh (cant remember why) and the artic behind me kept gtting closer,and then pulled out and overtook me !
I remarked to swmbo that afaik they are supposed to be restricted to 56mph ( it wasn't a foreign reg either). There was a car in front of me,which the HGV driver failed to notice apparently,because as soon as he passed me he started to pull back in.
The car driver swung left until his n/s wheels were actually of the side of the road,at which point the HGV driver noticed he was there and quickly swung back out into the outside lane.
It was shocking to behold (and I imagine almost heart attack provoking for the driver of the car in front) and imo, the HGV driver should be either banned from going outside his own house, or shot in front of his family. ::)
There are idiots in all types of driving seats!
I had a vw golf on London in a left hand turn lane only, pulled away from the lights in my artic and followed the road round. Half way round the truck felt like it was dragging or the brakes were binding. Stopped on the roundabout to investigate and found the vw golf had tried to cut across the front of me, buried itself into my front steps of the cab and then. Took him on a trip round the roundabout flattening the pedestrian barriers in the process!
The stupid prat then blamed me >:(
Needless to say he was lucky the police arrived otherwise he would have needed A & E treatment!
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Your right. Im not trying to tar all HGV drivers with the same brush. I was just shocked and appalled by this particular one,and curious how he managed to overtake me at approx. 65mph. ;)
I remember years ago some nob in a Chevette actually parked behind one of the artics where I worked,while the driver was reversing the artic. He felt a bit of a bump and found most of a chevette under the back of his trailer. ;D
On the other hand, I was parking in a parking space at work one morning, and the driver of an artic who had been been leaning out of the window chatting to his mate when I passed the front of his truck, put it in reverse without checking his mirrors and reversed straight into the rear quarter of my first Omega. ::)
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I think overtaking for LGVs should be banned between the hours of 7am and 7pm ::)
The between A41 Chester and Whitchurch poxes me off. You get stuck behind 2 LGV doing 40mph and the second LGV is right up the chuff of the first so mo gap to nip into should you run out of road when over taking so your stuck for 20 miles. Then you get the sign for a dual carriageway in 1 mile, brilliant. You get to the dual carriageway and the second truck pulls out to overtake the first truck but the driver has burried his foot so they accelerate at the same speed. The overtaking truck either gets past very slowly at the end of the dual carriageway leaving you stranded at the side of the first truck and there's no way he's going to be letting you in or the second truck has to pull back in and everything goes back to how it was for the last 20 miles.
My question is. If the first LGV driver was happy doing 40mph for the last 20 miles why bury the throttle for a mile of dual carriageway ???
single carrageway 40mph ,dual 50 ,motorway 60
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Am reading this with interest, as all the posts seem to be coming from, people who have never driven a proper hgv (44 tonnes) or they drive sprinters ( jumped up posties,couriers ) or old people on there way to hospital,or collection of there pension.
yes if the truck that was being overtook,knocked the cruise off for the count of 15, he would get overtaken with ease,but as being overtaken to some drivers is like questioning there manhood(numbtys,dock jockeys,). Only the true professional slows down,also a lot of jolly foreigner does as well,especially when in Europe,gendarmes fine €100+,Gestapo even more and Italians what ever lunch and dinner costs.
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The thing is, that when you are driving a big HGV you get used to the slow pace. Overtaking another HGV that's doing 2 or 3 mph slower than you dosn't seem too much of an issue as you slowly glide by and it can be incredibly frustrating when you come up behind another HGV that's going slower. ::) Especially if you are on a tight schedule, which is something that a lot of people forget, lorry drivers are out there doing a days work and not out for a cruise. ;)
So when you zip by in the outside lane at 80 - 90 mph cursing the idiot who's inching past another HGV in the outside lane and why the hell can't he just sit behind, well that extra 10 minutes here and there might mean that he gets home to his family that night an hour earlier. :-\ Which when you are working an average 60 hour week is precious time! :)
That said like many things, education and training is the key. If it was drummed into HGV drivers that it is a good and courteous thing to back off a bit when another HGV overtakes, it would make life a little easier for everyone! :y
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I think overtaking for LGVs should be banned between the hours of 7am and 7pm ::)
The between A41 Chester and Whitchurch poxes me off. You get stuck behind 2 LGV doing 40mph and the second LGV is right up the chuff of the first so mo gap to nip into should you run out of road when over taking so your stuck for 20 miles. Then you get the sign for a dual carriageway in 1 mile, brilliant. You get to the dual carriageway and the second truck pulls out to overtake the first truck but the driver has burried his foot so they accelerate at the same speed. The overtaking truck either gets past very slowly at the end of the dual carriageway leaving you stranded at the side of the first truck and there's no way he's going to be letting you in or the second truck has to pull back in and everything goes back to how it was for the last 20 miles.
My question is. If the first LGV driver was happy doing 40mph for the last 20 miles why bury the throttle for a mile of dual carriageway ???
single carrageway 40mph ,dual 50 ,motorway 60
Once you factor in the 56mph limiter, and allow for the 10%+2 rule dual carriageways can technically be driven flat out.
I still maintain that trucks should not be restricted on the condition that the bhp is displayed next to the rear number plate. No need to change the speed limits for them, but that way, the more powerful, and therefore faster trucks would be able to pass more efficiently, and there for more safely, whilst the drivers of slower trucks would know not to attempt an overtake.
Say you're in your car doing 70 along a motorway in lane 2, and you catch up with a car doing 69, you would pull into lane 3 and accelerate slightly to pass it cleanly, dropping back to 70 after. Unrestricted, a truck could do the same thing...
If we were out of the EU any Eurozone trucks would need to be limited, which would help our transport industry no end as it would become unviable for foriegn firms to exploit cabotage rules to the extent that they currently do.
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If we were out of the EU any Eurozone trucks would need to be limited, which would help our transport industry no end as it would become unviable for foriegn firms to exploit ignore cabotage rules to the extent that they currently do.
Fixed that for you Al! ;)
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;D I was being polite...
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Simple fact is we all follow the same rules. Causing other traffic to brake or divert course during a manoeuvre is not on.
Arguing the roads are too busy to achieve that doesn't cut it either, as that's all the more reason to keep left.
It's utterly self centred behaviour generally speaking, often forcing traffic from lane 2 into lane 3 as well.
Personally I couldn't face the embarrassment of blocking lane 2 of the m4 for miles on end, causing three lanes to back up, with so obviously nothing in front. It just defys belief for me.
Having said that, most Laurie drivers appear to be much better add judging cars slip road entry speed than the car drivers themselves. Often dropping back to let traffic on.
Those two sides of the same pigeon hole are clues, IMO, that show up the impatient moron with a big bad truck behind him, and a more experienced driver.
Tanker drivers seem to be far more "professional" for obvious reasons, and have an almost invisible presence in the road. (Apart from the over officious tit that insists on delivering at my nearest lpg filling station causing the pumps to go off, just as I arrive with no gas ....not once but twice)
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That wouldn't affect the price of goods much ::)
Better solution would be to level the playing field, tell Bruscles to sod off, and remove the limiters, with a minimum motorwazy limit of 50mph and raise the max to 80mph for everyone :y
Oh and allow undertaking...
That should wake everyone up ;D
here here
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I would just like to say we are not all idiots.
I back off slightly if someone is trying to get past me at 1/2 mph etc and i also back off and stay behind if i am only doing 1 mph more than the one in front.
It's called "Being a professional driver".
I rarely pull out to overtake until there is a gap in the traffic i.e. the car etc does not have to brake because i pulled out.
What does annoy me too is car etc drivers not respecting my size. Pulling beside me when i am making a tight turn, pulling out in front at near sucidal distance or pulling in and braking causing me to brake or swerve just because they nearly missed their exit, putting your fog lights on because there is a slight mist in the sky but still clearly able to see over 1 mile, just to name just a few
We are not all idiots. some of us are tar'd with the same brush but are driving professional with others in mind. we just ask for understanding and respect..
Rant over. thanks for reading.
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I would just like to say we are not all idiots.
I back off slightly if someone is trying to get past me at 1/2 mph etc and i also back off and stay behind if i am only doing 1 mph more than the one in front.
It's called "Being a professional driver".
I rarely pull out to overtake until there is a gap in the traffic i.e. the car etc does not have to brake because i pulled out.
What does annoy me too is car etc drivers not respecting my size. Pulling beside me when i am making a tight turn, pulling out in front at near sucidal distance or pulling in and braking causing me to brake or swerve just because they nearly missed their exit, putting your fog lights on because there is a slight mist in the sky but still clearly able to see over 1 mile, just to name just a few
We are not all idiots. some of us are tar'd with the same brush but are driving professional with others in mind. we just ask for understanding and respect..
Rant over. thanks for reading.
You seem to be in the minority. :y I will always give HGVs room as & when I can eg pull up short to allow them to swing out over the main road or to cut a corner short due to their size, but it does piss me off when they just use their size to bully their way over a lane on a motorway. And why do they almost always move over to lane 2 when they see the motorway up ahead slow to a crawl or stop? ??? ???
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Increasing baking distance is about the only reasonable explaination...
Yes this highlights other issues such as not only inattentiveness and a general lack of awareness but also just how congested some roads are, with traffic bunched up tight :-\
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The road is full of shite drivers who will never be as good as you. Everybody knows that they are the best and everyone else is an idiot. :y
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A lot of my fellow truckers don't seem to understand the rule of - keep to your left and give way to your right! if they did, it would be a lot easier for everyone!
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On the A1 today. 2 lanes, traffic slows and there are suddenly 20 odd HGV's on the fast lane. So I end up staying on the slow lane, undertake them due to the fact that everyone is now in the fast lane and only when a fair few cars pass them on the left do them sheepishly move over to the left. Why oh why? Whats the point jumping lanes when there is a traffic jam. And these are all British trucks, not foreign ones.
Once past the traffic jam near the M18, then every time I have had to slow down was because a HGV wants to overtake! I think they do it on purpose.
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On the A1 today. 2 lanes, traffic slows and there are suddenly 20 odd HGV's on the fast lane. So I end up staying on the slow lane, undertake them due to the fact that everyone is now in the fast lane and only when a fair few cars pass them on the left do them sheepishly move over to the left. Why oh why? Whats the point jumping lanes when there is a traffic jam. And these are all British trucks, not foreign ones.
Once past the traffic jam near the M18, then every time I have had to slow down was because a HGV wants to overtake! I think they do it on purpose.
which is exactly what I said earlier. :-X
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Thats usually to avoid the slip road traffic, having traffic lights on motorway junctions is never a good idea.
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Thats usually to avoid the slip road traffic, having traffic lights on motorway junctions is never a good idea.
That's usually as soon as they see a hold up up front ....... no where near a slip road
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I was refering to the A1M M18 junction, but we are only overtaking slower traffic the same as everybody else does.
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Thats usually to avoid the slip road traffic, having traffic lights on motorway junctions is never a good idea.
That's usually as soon as they see a hold up up front ....... no where near a slip road
Cynic :P
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No Al, just what see ;)
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I commute on the M42 jcn1 to jcn4 everyday. I invariably stay in lane 1 and pretty much stay at a steady 60, whilst lane 2 & 3 seem to hurtle along at 80+, only for me moments later fly past at 60 because they've all bunched up and stopped :o
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Quite a messy stretch of road that :y It surprises me just how many people refuse to use the M6 toll :o that 20minutes or so of no stress is worth every single penny imho :-\
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Quite a messy stretch of road that :y It surprises me just how many people refuse to use the M6 toll :o that 20minutes or so of no stress is worth every single penny imho :-\
I used to use the M6 toll when it was reasonably priced (couple of quid, IIRC?). Granted, I rarely travel the M6 at peak times, but these days the "old" M6 seems to move Ok (despite the cynically placed variable speed limits permanently set to 50MPH). I'd rather have a fiver in my pocket now, TBH.
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£11 for HGV's :o
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I often think you save the cost in fuel from being able to keep shifting :)
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£11 for HGV's :o
Even then worth every penny for a nice, straight forward run :y
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Most companies wont pay it, nor will I out of my own pocket!
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Most companies wont pay it, nor will I out of my own pocket!
That explains why I always seem to be driving the only truck along it then ::) ;D
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Most companies wont pay it, nor will I out of my own pocket!
French motorways are nice and empty for the same reason. The 'A' roads are a different matter however.... ::)
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I often think you save the cost in fuel from being able to keep shifting :)
The speed I used to do it, I doubt there'd be a fuel saving. I made sure I got my money's worth. ;)
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I was refering to the A1M M18 junction, but we are only overtaking slower traffic the same as everybody else does.
When you see a traffic jam up ahead, how does moving into the fast lane help? All that means is that you end up stuck in the fast lane. And when traffic starts to move, you cant keep up and hold up traffic behind you till you find a space on the left that you can move over into.
Still sounds selfish to me. Would you like it if cars sat in 2 out of 3 lanes doing 40 and holding you up?
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Have experienced that as well on a free flowing m25 :-\
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Still sounds selfish to me. Would you like it if cars sat in 2 out of 3 lanes doing 40 and holding you up?
They do anyway! We'll all have to learn to play nicely together!
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On the way to work yesterday I was going up the sliproad onto the A12 at around 65mph. As I got near the end of the sliproad the artic which was approaching it moved into the outside lane to let me in. There was no need to as I was going a lot faster than he was, so I assumed he misjudged my speed.
Due to this thread I kept an eye on my rear view mirror to see how things panned out. He stayed on the outside lane for the whole 3 miles until I got to my junction. I have no idea why. I could see a huge line of traffic building up behind him and a long clear stretch of road had developed in front. Bizzarre. ::)
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I got stuck behind 3 cyclists today riding 3 abreast. ::) They must have heard me come up behind, but did they move over into single file? ???
Did they hell! >:( , so they got treated to a cloud of chip shop smelling smoke as I booted down to get past when I had an opportunity!! ;D