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Title: Killer robots. Serious issue
Post by: Varche on 02 December 2013, 18:40:22
Just to keep an even balance as there seems to be too many posts on Xmas and other jolly things.

Killer robots. They already exist. Machines that can be dropped into a war theatre and will continously kill automatically any targets that are programmed into them until a stop killing order is sent. Skynet but in real life. The US budget for this form of warfare is eyewatering billions.

The only reason they are not yet being used is that the lawmakers, legal boffins etc can't agree fair terms. Amazingly all war is governed by legalities. e.g. you can't use poison gas, if someone surrenders you have to take them prisoner rather than shoot them etc. I wonder if the Chinese, North Koreans etc are having these soul searching legal debates. I suspect not.

Very scary stuff which makes me glad I am of an older age.

By the way the USA officiall kill total from unmanned drones since 2007 is now over 4000 people.

Hey makes a change from tyre threads :y
Title: Re: Killer robots. Serious issue
Post by: Sir Tigger KC on 02 December 2013, 18:54:31
Oh come on Varche!

If you're going to start a doom and gloom thread you have to put at least one link to an obscure website!!  ::)

Those are the unwritten rules of 'doom and gloom type' threads!  ;)
Title: Re: Killer robots. Serious issue
Post by: Rods2 on 02 December 2013, 19:02:13
It will soon be like the Star Trek episode where each side uses computers in a strategic warfare game of chess where we are the sacrificial pawns.  :(

The real worry will be when al-qaeda and other terrorist organisations have their own drones carrying out strikes. I would have thought countries like Iran and North Korea were perfectly capable of developing these or adapting many of the commercially available ones that are used by photographers etc.  :( :( :( :(

The next round of attack / defense may be drone v drone battles, where quality v production rates are a factor.  ???
Title: Re: Killer robots. Serious issue
Post by: cam2502 on 02 December 2013, 19:03:13
So when can we expect Arnie clones shouting "Hasta la vista"?  ;D
Title: Re: Killer robots. Serious issue
Post by: 05omegav6 on 02 December 2013, 19:05:13
What's to say that Amazon isn't an Al Qaeda cell hiding in plain sight ::)

Although it must be said, bombing customers might be a bit counter productive...
Title: Re: Killer robots. Serious issue
Post by: 05omegav6 on 02 December 2013, 19:07:46
So when can we expect Arnie clones shouting "Hasta la vista"?  ;D

Ma?ana baby ;D
Title: Re: Killer robots. Serious issue
Post by: Rods2 on 02 December 2013, 19:08:18
Oh come on Varche!

If you're going to start a doom and gloom thread you have to put at least one link to an obscure website!!  ::)

Those are the unwritten rules of 'doom and gloom type' threads!  ;)

Perhaps Lord Opti can comment on the use of drones where he has 100's patrolling his vast estates against poachers.  ::) ::) ::) ::) Or so STEMO tells me when he was paying a very late night business call to Lord Opti where he just happened to be in the area.  ::) ::) ::) ::) :P ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Killer robots. Serious issue
Post by: kevinp58 on 02 December 2013, 19:11:32
I'll be back  ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Killer robots. Serious issue
Post by: Mr.OmegaMan on 02 December 2013, 19:15:46
What's to say that Amazon isn't an Al Qaeda cell hiding in plain sight ::)

Although it must be said, bombing customers might be a bit counter productive...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/amazon/10487451/Amazon-drones-founder-announces-plans-for-delivery-by-airborne-drones.html

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/dec/02/amazon-drone-delivery-jeff-bezos-hype

 ;D
Title: Re: Killer robots. Serious issue
Post by: MR MISTER on 02 December 2013, 19:25:57
When I (and most of you) were young, it was the a bomb that kept us awake nights. I hardly think a bunch of modified bomb disposal units will have the same fear factor. ;D
Title: Re: Killer robots. Serious issue
Post by: MR MISTER on 02 December 2013, 19:31:00
And, judging by Guffers car, once they were on the ground, they wouldn't have much of a range.
Title: Re: Killer robots. Serious issue
Post by: dbug on 02 December 2013, 20:15:43
Just to keep an even balance as there seems to be too many posts on Xmas and other jolly things.

Killer robots. They already exist. Machines that can be dropped into a war theatre and will continously kill automatically any targets that are programmed into them until a stop killing order is sent. Skynet but in real life. The US budget for this form of warfare is eyewatering billions.

The only reason they are not yet being used is that the lawmakers, legal boffins etc can't agree fair terms. Amazingly all war is governed by legalities. e.g. you can't use poison gas, if someone surrenders you have to take them prisoner rather than shoot them etc. I wonder if the Chinese, North Koreans etc are having these soul searching legal debates. I suspect not.

Very scary stuff which makes me glad I am of an older age.

By the way the USA officiall kill total from unmanned drones since 2007 is now over 4000 people.

Hey makes a change from tyre threads :y

Winter or summer drones?  ???
Title: Re: Killer robots. Serious issue
Post by: kevinp58 on 02 December 2013, 20:17:50
Just to keep an even balance as there seems to be too many posts on Xmas and other jolly things.

Killer robots. They already exist. Machines that can be dropped into a war theatre and will continously kill automatically any targets that are programmed into them until a stop killing order is sent. Skynet but in real life. The US budget for this form of warfare is eyewatering billions.

The only reason they are not yet being used is that the lawmakers, legal boffins etc can't agree fair terms. Amazingly all war is governed by legalities. e.g. you can't use poison gas, if someone surrenders you have to take them prisoner rather than shoot them etc. I wonder if the Chinese, North Koreans etc are having these soul searching legal debates. I suspect not.

Very scary stuff which makes me glad I am of an older age.

By the way the USA officiall kill total from unmanned drones since 2007 is now over 4000 people.

Hey makes a change from tyre threads :y

Winter or summer drones?  ???








Off road ones  :D ::)
Title: Re: Killer robots. Serious issue
Post by: 05omegav6 on 02 December 2013, 21:05:04
Terminator 2 Judgement Day on Film 4 now :y

Not that it's much consolation, but the robots are only as bright as the people who program them ;D
Title: Re: Killer robots. Serious issue
Post by: MR MISTER on 02 December 2013, 21:09:35
Terminator 2 Judgement Day on Film 4 now :y

Not that it's much consolation, but the robots are only as bright as the people who program them ;D
Korean/Chinese robots kill American ones all day then.
Title: Re: Killer robots. Serious issue
Post by: Varche on 03 December 2013, 09:27:35
Here is a link to the moral/legal issues

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/A-View-from-the-United-Nations-/killer-robots-and-the-rul_b_3599657.html

I sort of find it fascinating just what kinds of things are being dreamt up. It doesn't take a genius to realise that the military have been keeping pace with technological developments that we all see and use.

One I particularly liked was a robot that could jump over a high perimeter fence from a standstill.
Title: Re: Killer robots. Serious issue
Post by: 05omegav6 on 03 December 2013, 09:39:29
On the one hand, it could save alot of lives... but only if you had official war zones such as the Gobi desert or Greenland, say an area 100miles squared where remote armies could be let loose to slug things out... it needs a revolution of thought/diplomatic procedure to be viable though.

Where it becomes a moral issue is the use of such kit in a traditional war theatres  amongst the general populus... using drones to deliver weapons is borderline, and about as far as I would like to see this go... :-\
Title: Re: Killer robots. Serious issue
Post by: Rods2 on 03 December 2013, 14:51:52
It will be a whole new sport for rednecks in the US. Cooter on his verandah in a rocking chair with a shotgun.  ::) ::) :o :o :D :D ;D ;D ;D ;D

"No sh|t, I bagged me 4 today with this trusty gun, what coons, turkeys, elk? No drones." "Bang there goes another one."  ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Killer robots. Serious issue
Post by: 05omegav6 on 03 December 2013, 16:10:24
Damn Yankees get everywhere ;D