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Title: 2014 F1... cars hit every branch falling from the ugly tree
Post by: Webby the Bear on 03 December 2013, 20:46:32
So, I'm sitting here reading about next years' F1 and it appears that cars will be lapping 2-3 seconds slower on average and due to new nose height and wing width will look, well.... horrible.

This years cars look stunning, sound awesome and are bloody quick.

Why take a seemingly backwards step with the rule changes?  ???

This is just a mock up on a fan site...

http://f1machine.wordpress.com/

...but based on the rule changes and Newey coming out and saying they'll look odd.......... why?

I know that the technology with ERS is as up to date as anything right now and will of course influence domestic cars sold but its sad they'll look gross as I love the fact that the cars look sexy..... half the appeal for me :'(
Title: Re: 2014 F1... cars hit every branch falling from the ugly tree
Post by: SimplePingu on 03 December 2013, 21:22:02
Am I the only person who is seeing no change in how F1 cars look in the last 16 years?
Title: Re: 2014 F1... cars hit every branch falling from the ugly tree
Post by: Sir Tigger KC on 03 December 2013, 21:38:52
I love this line....

"..... it will be a lot quieter too, so quiet in fact prospects of an artificial sound enhancing device could be brought to the table."

You couldn't make it up!!!!  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: 2014 F1... cars hit every branch falling from the ugly tree
Post by: Webby the Bear on 03 December 2013, 21:53:03
that was one of the things I loved when I went..... the noise! not quite a need for ear plugs but close to it. now theyre going to be ugly, slower and quiet. great
Title: Re: 2014 F1... cars hit every branch falling from the ugly tree
Post by: Entwood on 03 December 2013, 22:10:07
I note some weird inconsistencies in the link webby posts ....

first article ..  "but that doesn’t mean that a dull future for motorsport isn’t looming."

third article .. "It’s safe to say we will have a very interesting 2014 season come what may!"


so which side of the fence are they actually sitting ???  :) :)

Title: Re: 2014 F1... cars hit every branch falling from the ugly tree
Post by: chrisgixer on 03 December 2013, 22:10:56
Oh dear. :(
Title: Re: 2014 F1... cars hit every branch falling from the ugly tree
Post by: Varche on 03 December 2013, 22:23:03
They may start off a second or two a lap slower but the teams will soon find new ways of going faster. They have done every year.

As to the sound well they could always use a but of old inner tube over the exhaust pipe.
Title: Re: 2014 F1... cars hit every branch falling from the ugly tree
Post by: albitz on 03 December 2013, 23:05:57
I love this line....

"..... it will be a lot quieter too, so quiet in fact prospects of an artificial sound enhancing device could be brought to the table."[/highlight]You couldn't make it up!!!!  ;D ;D ;D

And that will be the day that Walt Disney corp. has increased its substantial share in F1 to 100%.  :'(
Of course they will be quieter, they are turbo engines.If they didn't want that, they shouldnht have reverted to technology they ditched about 25 years ago. ::)
Title: Re: 2014 F1... cars hit every branch falling from the ugly tree
Post by: 05omegav6 on 03 December 2013, 23:26:23
Fear not, in 2015 they'll be hybrid diesels with one gallon fuel tanks, and no refuelling ;D
Title: Re: 2014 F1... cars hit every branch falling from the ugly tree
Post by: Sir Tigger KC on 04 December 2013, 00:53:49
that was one of the things I loved when I went..... the noise! not quite a need for ear plugs but close to it. now theyre going to be ugly, slower and quiet. great

Switch to MotoGP!!  :y :y :y
Title: Re: 2014 F1... cars hit every branch falling from the ugly tree
Post by: omega3000 on 04 December 2013, 07:35:52
Fear not, in 2015 they'll be hybrid diesels with one gallon fuel tanks, and no refuelling ;D

  ;D :D ;D ;D

that was one of the things I loved when I went..... the noise! not quite a need for ear plugs but close to it. now theyre going to be ugly, slower and quiet. great

Switch to MotoGP!!  :y :y :y

Going to miss that next year  :( >:( :( :'(
Title: Re: 2014 F1... cars hit every branch falling from the ugly tree
Post by: maracus on 04 December 2013, 11:26:10
They may start off a second or two a lap slower but the teams will soon find new ways of going faster. They have done every year.

As to the sound well they could always use a but of old inner tube over the exhaust pipe.

 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: 2014 F1... cars hit every branch falling from the ugly tree
Post by: Kevin Wood on 04 December 2013, 19:59:56
Motorsport with the right noises and pretty cars?

This is more like it. :y

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Y6x2RZB4O6s#t=26 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Y6x2RZB4O6s#t=26)
Title: Re: 2014 F1... cars hit every branch falling from the ugly tree
Post by: henryd on 05 December 2013, 13:18:43
Motorsport with the right noises and pretty cars?

This is more like it. :y

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Y6x2RZB4O6s#t=26 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Y6x2RZB4O6s#t=26)

Thanks for that Kevin,bloody brilliant :y :y
Title: Re: 2014 F1... cars hit every branch falling from the ugly tree
Post by: aaronjb on 05 December 2013, 13:24:43
Motorsport with the right noises and pretty cars?

This is more like it. :y

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Y6x2RZB4O6s#t=26 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Y6x2RZB4O6s#t=26)

That, the Silverstone Classic, Le Mans Classic, Spa Classic etc..

Let's face it, race cars haven't been very pretty since the 70s..
Title: Re: 2014 F1... cars hit every branch falling from the ugly tree
Post by: Kevin Wood on 05 December 2013, 14:01:20

That, the Silverstone Classic, Le Mans Classic, Spa Classic etc..

Let's face it, race cars haven't been very pretty since the 70s..

That reminds me. I want to go this year and apparently ticket sales have opened. Anyone for a road trip?
Title: Re: 2014 F1... cars hit every branch falling from the ugly tree
Post by: 05omegav6 on 05 December 2013, 16:02:59
That would make a good OOF meet 8)
Title: Re: 2014 F1... cars hit every branch falling from the ugly tree
Post by: Kevin Wood on 05 December 2013, 16:43:37
There was going to be a kit car tour ending there (and still may be) but that's a bit up in the air at the moment, so I'm formulating my own plans in parallel.

My thoughts are to stay here:

http://en.chateau-de-chanteloup.com/ (http://en.chateau-de-chanteloup.com/)

It's about 20 minutes' drive from the circuit but it's pretty, clean, has a decent bar and restaurant, hot showers, toilets that flush, grass to pitch your tent on, and so on. You can camp in the thick of it at the circuit, but you'll find none of the above there. Given that Mrs. KW will be coming, camping at the track is going to end badly if I try it. ;)

The owner is a bit of a petrol head, so is happy for car clubs to camp there and, indeed, for the main Le Mans 24h it's full of like minded nutters, without the stag do's p*ssheads and other rubbish that has invaded the track camp sites. Not sure what the classic is like, as I've never been.

In the past I've done the fast cat from Portsmouth to Caen, Cherbourg or St Malo as it's then a leisurely afternoon's drive to le Mans (100 miles ish) with some slack to allow a more scenic route hacking around the "D" roads. The crossing to Calais is cheaper but then it's 120 miles to Dover, 260 to Le mans and all boring motorway.

There's also the option of a slow overnight boat to St malo with a bar. (https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/26795734/Smilies/party0016.gif)

Could do a long weekend out and back or a little more of a tour with a couple of additional overnight stops.. Whatever suits.

More about the race event and tickets here: http://www.lemansclassic.com (http://www.lemansclassic.com)
Title: Re: 2014 F1... cars hit every branch falling from the ugly tree
Post by: 05omegav6 on 05 December 2013, 17:09:08
Costs look to be as follows, based on the following...

Brittany ferries Pompey to St Malo, out on 2/7, arriving 3/7 with the return being 8/7, arriving 9/7, one car (no trailer/roofrack), three people and an outside cabin...

Kevins' suggested campsite from 3/7-8/7...

And a full ticket for the race weekend, 4/7-7/7.

Ferry is £533 return, including cabin both ways.

Campsite is €100.

Race weekend is €53 per person.

The summer OOF meet perhaps?  Certainly a weekend well spent 8)

And no midgies/rain either...
Title: Re: 2014 F1... cars hit every branch falling from the ugly tree
Post by: Sir Tigger KC on 05 December 2013, 17:13:32

And no midgies/rain either...

I have to admire your optimism Al!!  ;D
Title: Re: 2014 F1... cars hit every branch falling from the ugly tree
Post by: Kevin Wood on 05 December 2013, 17:15:30
Regarding the race ticket, that looks like the general entry ticket. Parking would need to be added to that (but we could probably make do with less than one space each) and if you want a grandstand seat that's extra.

Ferry has romped up in price a bit. :o Fast cat was cheaper though, I believe.

I don't know how it compares with the main Le Mans race, but there are grass banks to sit on if you just have the GE ticket, and plenty of restaurants and bars to take a break. The last few times I went, the grandstands were the ONLY place that you could find any shade, though (and it was 34C in the shade!). I'm hoping the classic will be a little quieter.
Title: Re: 2014 F1... cars hit every branch falling from the ugly tree
Post by: Kevin Wood on 05 December 2013, 17:16:34
break me did it rain the first time I took Mrs. KW.  :o

Problem is, the tent I took wasn't waterproof.

Neither was the car. ::)
Title: Re: 2014 F1... cars hit every branch falling from the ugly tree
Post by: 05omegav6 on 05 December 2013, 17:42:20
break me did it rain the first time I took Mrs. KW.  :o

Problem is, the tent I took wasn't waterproof.

Neither was the car. ::)
The tent you can do summat about ::)
Title: Re: 2014 F1... cars hit every branch falling from the ugly tree
Post by: 05omegav6 on 05 December 2013, 17:58:42
Pompey to Le Harve is £323 on the same basis...
Dover to Calais/Dunkirk is £70, and makes it a bit more of a road trip 8)
Title: Re: 2014 F1... cars hit every branch falling from the ugly tree
Post by: Kevin Wood on 05 December 2013, 20:00:58
Pompey to Le Harve is £323 on the same basis...
Dover to Calais/Dunkirk is £70, and makes it a bit more of a road trip 8)

Yeah, open to that option too, if we're going to break the trip up a little.
Title: Re: 2014 F1... cars hit every branch falling from the ugly tree
Post by: chrisgixer on 06 December 2013, 00:09:48
Let's go. Now.

Ok, bit early. ❄️ Maybe wait until the spring? ⛅️

But last road trip we had wonky donkeys. Absolutely brilliant fun and essential for group driving for safety and easy communication between cars.  Must have. Ask Santa. 😉
Title: Re: 2014 F1... cars hit every branch falling from the ugly tree
Post by: Kevin Wood on 06 December 2013, 08:16:07
Let's go. Now.

Ok, bit early. ❄️ Maybe wait until the spring? ⛅️

But last road trip we had wonky donkeys. Absolutely brilliant fun and essential for group driving for safety and easy communication between cars.  Must have. Ask Santa. 😉

Where's the fun in that? First time we went it was me and 2 mates. One map, one mobile phone and one fuel can. Never have 2 of the above in any one car, and the map can't be in the lead car, or in any car where the driver can actually navigate. ::) Oh, and the guy with the smallest fuel tank (me!) has to be tail end charlie. That was a bundle of laughs. ;D

I vowed never to go to Rouen again. Must have driven round the stinking place about a dozen times. >:(
Title: Re: 2014 F1... cars hit every branch falling from the ugly tree
Post by: chrisgixer on 06 December 2013, 08:48:56
Let's go. Now.

Ok, bit early. ❄️ Maybe wait until the spring? ⛅️

But last road trip we had wonky donkeys. Absolutely brilliant fun and essential for group driving for safety and easy communication between cars.  Must have. Ask Santa. 😉

Where's the fun in that? First time we went it was me and 2 mates. One map, one mobile phone and one fuel can. Never have 2 of the above in any one car, and the map can't be in the lead car, or in any car where the driver can actually navigate. ::) Oh, and the guy with the smallest fuel tank (me!) has to be tail end charlie. That was a bundle of laughs. ;D

I vowed never to go to Rouen again. Must have driven round the stinking place about a dozen times. >:(

Sounds like we need ones with greater range :P ;D

They're only £40 odd
https://www.google.co.uk/shopping/product/15133393002788246050?q=cobra+walkie+talkie&bav=on.2,or.&bvm=bv.57752919,d.d2k,pv.xjs.s.en_US.JVi-ZN0rCA0.O&biw=1024&bih=649&tch=1&ech=1&psi=246hUvSjGcbO0QWn9ICADQ.1386319582208.5&ei=9I6hUqWwOsmphAe3oYGYAw&ved=0CGYQpiswAA
Title: Re: 2014 F1... cars hit every branch falling from the ugly tree
Post by: Varche on 06 December 2013, 08:55:37
Let's go. Now.

Ok, bit early. ❄️ Maybe wait until the spring? ⛅️

But last road trip we had wonky donkeys. Absolutely brilliant fun and essential for group driving for safety and easy communication between cars.  Must have. Ask Santa. 😉

Where's the fun in that? First time we went it was me and 2 mates. One map, one mobile phone and one fuel can. Never have 2 of the above in any one car, and the map can't be in the lead car, or in any car where the driver can actually navigate. ::) Oh, and the guy with the smallest fuel tank (me!) has to be tail end charlie. That was a bundle of laughs. ;D

I vowed never to go to Rouen again. Must have driven round the stinking place about a dozen times. >:(

 :y :y :y
Title: Re: 2014 F1... cars hit every branch falling from the ugly tree
Post by: Omegatoy on 07 December 2013, 18:05:12
Ah dear old Rouen, its a frigging nightmare since they destroyed the old bridge,and didnt bother blocking the road off,  just a few cones to stop you ending up in the drink! lovely at night when i drive through there,not!! if there was another way round i would take it evrytime but its not damned feasable on the route  prefer through france,(always avoid the paris route for obvious reasons :-X
Title: Re: 2014 F1... cars hit every branch falling from the ugly tree
Post by: Webby the Bear on 08 December 2013, 11:24:58
I'm going to f1 at silver stone if anyone wanted to come and make it an of free for all  :)