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Omega Help Area => Omega General Help => Topic started by: bootie on 05 December 2013, 09:13:26
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I had a quick search on the subject but didn't really get the info I was after.
Basically, what damage can it do to a diesel engine when sprayed into the air intake?
I hasten to add it wasn't me, I would never use the stuff having heard previous horror stories, but therein lies the problem.
All I have heard are stories from previous users and never anything definitive to say don't use it.
Would anyone be able to tell me what damage could occur?
The reason I'm asking is that after that was done, I tried to start the estate and it would only fire on 4 or 5 (hard to tell) and there was clouds of smoke every where, couldn't see where it was all coming from but it was not just the exhaust tail pipe, it was coming out from all the arches and up into the engine bay so I turned it off and left it for the local garage to pick up and sort (it was one of their mechanics that used the ezystart in the first place).They still haven't picked it up yet so I'm wondering what I can expect when they do eventually take her in!
Jon
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It's a bit of a last chance trick I find - OK to prove a fuelling problem but only in very small doses. Very easy to get runaway.
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It's terrible stuff that quickly knackers engines so much that they won't start without it, and that's like a drug addict .. on its way to certain death :(
Without getting too complicated ... the main constituent is ether based, which has a VERY low ignition point ... the idea being the ether ignites, engine fires, and the combination of heat and presure enables the diesel mixture to start to work as it should..... that's fine in theory .....
Reality .....
The ether will ignite whenever it wants, probably early in the stroke as it is quite unstable .. this highly advanced combustion puts immense strain on pistons/piston rings/conrods/bigends/bearings etc .. the engine is NOT designed to have such an advanced conmbustion stroke.....
The ether "washes" all traces of lubricant off the bores/piston rings leading to extremely high wear rates, which reduces compression - and means eazystart is required more and more to get the engine running due to low compression - (drug addict syndrome).....
The ignition of the ether is NOT uniform as the diesel mixture would be .. it has areas of extremely high temperature which can (and does) cause damage to the piston crown, this further reduces the compression/fuel pattern and makes starting harder.....
I could go on, but I hope you get the drift .....it is NOT a good idea to even own a can of this crap IMHO ... :(
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Its evil stuff and the tool of the bodge merchant, if it wont start then ether will tell you nothing.
Ether is very volatile and ignites at much lower compression ratios than diesel, the result is combustion whilst the piston is around two thirds of the way up the compression stroke. The fuel ignites violently and expands and yet the engins is still trying to compress the gas.
The result is massive loading on the piston and rings.
This can cause ring racture and even bend the rods.
Here is a pic of a piston I removed from a Ford BSD444 engine which had been given a dose of ether:
(http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b394/Marks_DTM_Calib/DSC00168.jpg)
You can see where the rings have been fractured and made a bid for freedom up the side of the piston, the fragments have then been smashed into the piston crown. In this case it was incompitent users who did not know how to start the machine and operate the thermostart pre-heat, no fault with the engine until the ether was used.
I have seen this a few times and also seen two bent rods (just slightly but enough to reduce compression enough to make starting even harder and hence the phrase they get 'addicted' to it).
Funniest was an idiot who used it on a petrol mower, it blew the cylidner head clean off!
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Never attempted to use it on a diesel though....and by the looks of it won't either!
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Never attempted to use it on a diesel though....and by the looks of it won't either!
It can do the same to petrols to
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Don't use it! It was used on my Merc once at a garage and it's never been quite the same since!! >:( :'(
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:o :o :o Wow , new it was devils gas but :-\
(http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b394/Marks_DTM_Calib/DSC00168.jpg)
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A picture speaks a thousand words!
This is now used to store paint brushes in ;D (the BSD 444 is a four cylinder Basildon Standard diesel with 4.4 inch stroke and 4.4 inch bore so there nice and big)
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A picture speaks a thousand words!
This is now used to store paint brushes in ;D (the BSD 444 is a four cylinder Basildon Standard diesel with 4.4 inch stroke and 4.4 inch bore so there nice and big)
Its the best thing for a 4 pot ;D
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Its only the piston, the engine is back running as sweet as a nut. :y (added the last smiley to annoy Gizer! ;D)
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I should add that I now use the multitude of cans of easistart which I have gathered for cleaning brakes with, very good solvent if a little wiffy
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Presumably all the cans you have collected are dented from 'educating' the previous owners ::)
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This is now used to store paint brushes in ;D (the BSD 444 is a four cylinder Basildon Standard diesel with 4.4 inch stroke and 4.4 inch bore so there nice and big)
what's that in millimeters ............ ::) ::) ::)
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111mm :P
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Presumably all the cans you have collected are dented from 'educating' the previous owners ::)
No, they have remnants of poo on them from where they were inserted.
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Nice ;D
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I should add that I now use the multitude of cans of easistart which I have gathered for cleaning brakes with, very good solvent if a little wiffy
Everything has a use , even easistart ;D
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Jeez, I knew it was bad but not that bad.
As far as I know it was only the once that it was used but that siad it could well have done some damage.
So far that garage has not picked the car up for diagnosis, I'm wondering if they might realise they could have fooked the engine???!!!
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They might if they've read this :-\
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I use a hair dryer into the intake of my renault traffic diesel van if i have a problem....blast it into the air intake and then get someone to turn the key....does the trick every time.... :y :y
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I use a hair dryer into the intake of my renault traffic diesel van if i have a problem....blast it into the air intake and then get someone to turn the key....does the trick every time.... :y :y
Lol,probably got more blow than the turbo ;D
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no need for me to say much then! pretty well covered so far,
only thing i ever use to prove a fuel problem is wd 40,engine will fire on it,and it dont do as mch damage as ether!
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Well, I'm flying out to work tomorrow afternoon so will be calling the local garage first thing to see what they intend to do, that's been a week since I asked them to take it in!
I just hope it's nothing serious.
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Had an email from the garage saying they need to take cylinder head off to have a look so it must be fairly serious, do you think I have a leg to stand on asking them to rectify this fault at their cost?
As far as I know there were no running problems prior to the non starting that morning but I have to get that info from youngest son who had been driving it before I start casting aspersions around!
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Following on from the above post, I found out that youngest son had used the ezy start twice since the initial dose, first time the car started and ran well, second time the same but the third time (before I got there) it refused to start so he left it.....
I have asked the garage if they had done diagnostics or a paperclip test to check out the possible injector and or fuel pump faults (it would show those wouldn't it?) and whether they had done a sniff test to determine the possible head gasket failure.
I'm mystified about this as a failing head gasket would be apparent for a while yes? likewise a failing fuel pump? I understand an injector can just fail but again would there not be some symptoms of it starting to fail or can they just stop working?
I need some diesel advice fellas please??
Jon