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Chat Area => General Car Chat => Topic started by: TheBoy on 09 December 2013, 21:52:34
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Following on from other posts about needing more modern cars, and how the Omega is old (and by implication, past it)...
...I'm looking for another car, for a variety of reasons/needs.
So, I half heartedly look at an S-line A6 Avant diesel, which on paper would meet my needs, and I really wanted to like it. A dull drive, not a great ride, and unbelievably, catastrophically slow. I wanted to go quicker, but the bloody thing just lacked the legs.
Next I tried a Range Rover diesel, more because it was sat there, rather than something I'd seriously consider. What a lovely ride. Whilst it wouldn't win any races (except against an A6 ;D), either in a straight line or round corners, it provided smooth, effortless power. One of the few cars I got in where I didn't feel the need to rag the tits off it. It probably wouldn't meet my needs on fuel costs.
Anyway, just back in my 211k, 15yr old Omega, and immediately felt back at home - far quicker than both I'd test driven, stops and handles better, specced better than the Audi (but not the RR), and far cheaper to run (fuel and servicing) than both.
A 3.0l LPG Omega is a bloody hard act to follow...
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Right, now tell that to Esta. But slower this time, he's a bit thick you see.
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Hence the (perhaps misguided) wish to update the bits that need updating :y
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just going off numbers ....... a 1900 diseasal Astra (http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201310109205851/sort/default/usedcars/radius/1500/fuel-type/diesel/transmission/manual/engine-size-cars/1-7l_to_1-9l/postcode/bl81xw/page/1/keywords/1.9/maximum-age/up_to_3_years_old/model/astra/onesearchad/used%2Cnearlynew%2Cnew/make/vauxhall?logcode=p) is as fast 0 - 60 and not far off the top end speed of a 3.0 Omega
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just going off numbers ....... a 1900 diseasal Astra (http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201310109205851/sort/default/usedcars/radius/1500/fuel-type/diesel/transmission/manual/engine-size-cars/1-7l_to_1-9l/postcode/bl81xw/page/1/keywords/1.9/maximum-age/up_to_3_years_old/model/astra/onesearchad/used%2Cnearlynew%2Cnew/make/vauxhall?logcode=p) is as fast 0 - 60 and not far off the top end speed of a 3.0 Omega
..and the cost figures?
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Mate at work has 12 plate A6, cost him £24k.
My 2.2 Omega has a far better ride, less engine noise and more space.
On my potential list for replacing 2.2...
Audi A8 3.0d or 4.0d V8
Jag XJ 2.7d
Jag XF 3.0d
BMW 730d
All of which cost big bucks
I'd also consider
Senator
Omega (pre facelift for a change)
Odd balls...
Classic BMW 6 series
Classic Marc 420 SEL
However a new category maybe needed for the 3.2s replacement :-X
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just going off numbers ....... a 1900 diseasal Astra (http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201310109205851/sort/default/usedcars/radius/1500/fuel-type/diesel/transmission/manual/engine-size-cars/1-7l_to_1-9l/postcode/bl81xw/page/1/keywords/1.9/maximum-age/up_to_3_years_old/model/astra/onesearchad/used%2Cnearlynew%2Cnew/make/vauxhall?logcode=p) is as fast 0 - 60 and not far off the top end speed of a 3.0 Omega
..and the cost figures?
No idea ::) There was a plug in a paper re Vauxhall using an Astra in a 24 hour le Mans type 'race' and the speed figures were quoted. At the time I thought ...... that's not far from Omega's figures :o
I'm sure mpg will be far better too ;)
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just going off numbers ....... a 1900 diseasal Astra (http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201310109205851/sort/default/usedcars/radius/1500/fuel-type/diesel/transmission/manual/engine-size-cars/1-7l_to_1-9l/postcode/bl81xw/page/1/keywords/1.9/maximum-age/up_to_3_years_old/model/astra/onesearchad/used%2Cnearlynew%2Cnew/make/vauxhall?logcode=p) is as fast 0 - 60 and not far off the top end speed of a 3.0 Omega
..and the cost figures?
No idea ::) There was a plug in a paper re Vauxhall using an Astra in a 24 hour le Mans type 'race' and the speed figures were quoted. At the time I thought ...... that's not far from Omega's figures :o
I'm sure mpg will be far better too ;)
Now Dbug might take issue with that post MrB. Silly and immature and all that. Let's see of he smacks you botty. You know he loves all that. ;)
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However a new category maybe needed for the 3.2s replacement
Estate or Mummy bus... ::)
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However a new category maybe needed for the 3.2s replacement
Estate or Mummy bus... ::)
Chelsea Tractor perhaps ?? ;D
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just going off numbers ....... a 1900 diseasal Astra (http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201310109205851/sort/default/usedcars/radius/1500/fuel-type/diesel/transmission/manual/engine-size-cars/1-7l_to_1-9l/postcode/bl81xw/page/1/keywords/1.9/maximum-age/up_to_3_years_old/model/astra/onesearchad/used%2Cnearlynew%2Cnew/make/vauxhall?logcode=p) is as fast 0 - 60 and not far off the top end speed of a 3.0 Omega
..and the cost figures?
No idea ::) There was a plug in a paper re Vauxhall using an Astra in a 24 hour le Mans type 'race' and the speed figures were quoted. At the time I thought ...... that's not far from Omega's figures :o
I'm sure mpg will be far better too ;)
Now Dbug might take issue with that post MrB. Silly and immature and all that. Let's see of he smacks you botty. You know he loves all that. ;)
No Mr B's post only confirms that a modern "cheaper" spec car can equal, and in many cases, out perform the more "expensive" but out dated Omega. Fraid some people just need to accept that and move on ???
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just going off numbers ....... a 1900 diseasal Astra (http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201310109205851/sort/default/usedcars/radius/1500/fuel-type/diesel/transmission/manual/engine-size-cars/1-7l_to_1-9l/postcode/bl81xw/page/1/keywords/1.9/maximum-age/up_to_3_years_old/model/astra/onesearchad/used%2Cnearlynew%2Cnew/make/vauxhall?logcode=p) is as fast 0 - 60 and not far off the top end speed of a 3.0 Omega
..and the cost figures?
No idea ::) There was a plug in a paper re Vauxhall using an Astra in a 24 hour le Mans type 'race' and the speed figures were quoted. At the time I thought ...... that's not far from Omega's figures :o
I'm sure mpg will be far better too ;)
Now Dbug might take issue with that post MrB. Silly and immature and all that. Let's see of he smacks you botty. You know he loves all that. ;)
No Mr B's post only confirms that a modern "cheaper" spec car can equal, and in many cases, out perform the more "expensive" but out dated Omega. Fraid some people just need to accept that and move on ???
...... and powered by the Fuel of the Devil! :o
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just going off numbers ....... a 1900 diseasal Astra (http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201310109205851/sort/default/usedcars/radius/1500/fuel-type/diesel/transmission/manual/engine-size-cars/1-7l_to_1-9l/postcode/bl81xw/page/1/keywords/1.9/maximum-age/up_to_3_years_old/model/astra/onesearchad/used%2Cnearlynew%2Cnew/make/vauxhall?logcode=p) is as fast 0 - 60 and not far off the top end speed of a 3.0 Omega
..and the cost figures?
No idea ::) There was a plug in a paper re Vauxhall using an Astra in a 24 hour le Mans type 'race' and the speed figures were quoted. At the time I thought ...... that's not far from Omega's figures :o
I'm sure mpg will be far better too ;)
Now Dbug might take issue with that post MrB. Silly and immature and all that. Let's see of he smacks you botty. You know he loves all that. ;)
No Mr B's post only confirms that a modern "cheaper" spec car can equal, and in many cases, out perform the more "expensive" but out dated Omega. Fraid some people just need to accept that and move on ???
...... and powered by the Fuel of the Devil! :o
Indeed :o
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Imo the way forward is backwards. Buy a car that was made before the Omega was even thought of. Hence my 1990 Merc. :)
95bhp and powered by the fuel of the deep fat fryer. Pure class. 8) ;D ;D
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Imo the way forward is backwards. Buy a car that was made before the Omega was even thought of. Hence my 1990 Merc. :)
95bhp and powered by the fuel of the deep fat fryer. Pure class. 8) ;D ;D
Ahh. The really big merc. with the really small engine. :-\
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Nope. Its a 190 so smallish, engine is 2.5, 5 cylinder,
diesel wvo. :y
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Nope. Its a 190 so smallish, engine is 2.5, 5 cylinder, diesel wvo. :y
Doesn't weigh much less than the 124 saloon, though the rated output is exactly why the mechanicals are bomb proof, along with anally retentive service schedules :y
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Weighs around 1200kg iirc. As you say,its mechanically understressed which is probably why the 207,000 on the clock is no cause for concern according to other owners. I like the old bus tbh. Its got bags of character,although pitifully slow,but Im losing the need for speed these days anyway so its not a problem. :y
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If you were that worried about speeding, you'd have bought yourself a W123 200D auto ;D
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The old Mercs are great. Mines fab and also does well on the veggie oil. :y
To be honest if it wasn't dissolving before my eyes, I'd have probably got rid of The Mig..... :-\
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The Audi view was no surprise, I have always found them arguably the most over rated make out there, unless you get AWD then the handling is pretty poor with an over heavy nose and masses of understeer.
Add to this the demise of the PD 1.9 and its replacement 2.0 diesel being bloody rubbish and it gets no better.
An additional concern is the reliability, check the league tables and they only ever manage middle of the road results.
You do of course get a badge which resembles four overlapping coffee cup stains.
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What would you recommend to TheBoy Mark? I'm intrigued.
There isn't anything ...is there?
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(Lexus is300 straight 6 3.0 bit tinsy for him, but it goes, although is it new enough?)
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Re Audi dont forget the multi link suspension nightmare.
On that front wim say they never see Subaru's.
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What would you recommend to TheBoy Mark? I'm intrigued.
There isn't anything ...is there?
Thats the problem, modern cars are so dull, there is very little.
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Re Audi dont forget the multi link suspension nightmare.
On that front wim say they never see Subaru's.
Thats because the only ones worth having eat gearboxes, transfer boxes and engines so the owners rarely worry about the suspension ;D :y
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(Lexus is300 straight 6 3.0 bit tinsy for him, but it goes, although is it new enough?)
But again its an a to b vehicle, a very un-involving drive (which we know TB enjoys), would be ideal for my 100 mile daily commute but much to expensive for that
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Having just gone through a bit of this due to a lorry deciding he wanted my lane and killing my current daily there are a few options.
I was looking for 54-07 vintage around the £3-3.5k that would cost roughly the same to run and insure and to be used as a dialy drive doing 70-90k over 4 years so with around 60-80k on the clock.
The list i came up with was
3ltr X Type
3ltr S Type
ST220 Mondeo (estate)
Signum 2.8V6 turbo (detuned VXR)
Vectra C 2.8 V6 turbo - Elite spec detuned VXR (estate)
BMW 330 or 530
A4/ A6 3ltr
Pisshat 2.8 V6
9-3 2.8 V6 turbo
9-5 2.3 HOT Aero
Quite a lot of choice and after driving a few quite a bit better than the average Omega - not that I'm knocking the Omega of course
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Out of that list the only two that get close (for me) are the S-type and the 530.
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(Lexus is300 straight 6 3.0 bit tinsy for him, but it goes, although is it new enough?)
But again its an a to b vehicle, a very un-involving drive (which we know TB enjoys), would be ideal for my 100 mile daily commute but much to expensive for that
Mmmwell... Its has ku31 which get your attention quite quickly. It's also an Estate, which amplifies that to give loose rear end, and the rear suspension isn't as controlled as an omega saloon it needs more damping or something as wumps in long sweepers upset it into lift off over stear much quicker than an omega saloon.
A is300 might be better in that regard I don't know.
BUT. the directional stability and poor road surface feed back is massively improved over an omega. Its rear wheel drive with LSD as standard, has slightly more bhp than a 3.2 and a 5 speed box which makes that extra bhp seem like more than it is. Snow mode is better than omega, limits throttle opening rather stick in third, and the tc is quicker although equally slow to cut in as the omega 3.2.
Stainless exhaust, although they do go eventually, has nice but subtle rasp when you boot it. Silent otherwise. Pop up nav screen can be modded to show all sorts. Grom blutooth interface. For phone and mp3.
Cabin width is (feels) slightly narrower but head room is exactly the same as omega. No, it really is mr Fuse 18. :)
It has an attempt at tip tronic gear change buttons in the steering wheel. Poor but it works ok, not as easy to use as the sport mode button to knock it down a gear to loose a bit of speed, as you have to knock the gear lever side ways to engage sport mode first.
Given TB is looking, is missing a hatchback, which is important where he lives, and expects at the bare minimum an equal level of performance to a 3.2. I present to you...
The Lexus is300 sport cross with nav!
Some toys are missing. But all the essentials are there...Just ignore the awfull tinsy chrome gear knob, I think it just unscrews.
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Oh, just to add, it has a split level boot floor and a full size spare wheel well, so a donut in the boot floor is very viable. ;)
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Nissan GT-R :D
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Nissan GT-R :D
If we're just going to shout out random cars we could be here a while ;D
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Nissan GT-R :D
If we're just going to shout out random cars we could be here a while ;D
If we are talking bang for buck though its right up there,70 ish grand for hypercar performance :y
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Nissan GT-R :D
If we're just going to shout out random cars we could be here a while ;D
If we are talking bang for buck though its right up there,70 ish grand for hypercar performance :y
Its a lovely car but not practical for day to day , especially getting in and out of :-\ Think im a bit nissan brain washed after being in the showroom twice this week :-X
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Has to be exploding garage proof aswell :-X
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Nissan GT-R :D
hmm Nice cars especially the 3.8 V6 model :y
Seen ths "09" for just under 37k Link (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Nissan-Gt-R-3-8-Black-Edition-2dr-Auto-BLACK-EDITION-/321261534468?pt=Automobiles_UK&hash=item4accadfd04)
Hard to shake the thought of the Nissan Micra for some reason whenever i hear the brand Nissan ;D
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Just to be clear, there is far more chance of me getting a bimmer than a Lexus iS 300. Just so we're clear.
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I get a really horrible feeling than I am going to get something really far too sensible :'(
I've been in a couple of cars lately that were a revelation too me, purely because I wasn't encouraged to give it large. Which is good for my licence.
WTF am I saying, somebody help me, PLEASE!!!!
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I get a really horrible feeling than I am going to get something really far too sensible :'(
I've been in a couple of cars lately that were a revelation too me, purely because I wasn't encouraged to give it large. Which is good for my licence.
WTF am I saying, somebody help me, PLEASE!!!!
Actually, those Kia Cee'd's arn't bad to be honest TB! :y :y :y
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V6 diesel Vectra estate :-\
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I get a really horrible feeling than I am going to get something really far too sensible :'(
I've been in a couple of cars lately that were a revelation too me, purely because I wasn't encouraged to give it large. Which is good for my licence.
WTF am I saying, somebody help me, PLEASE!!!!
If you're looking to be going for "the older male" sedate style of motoring go for one of those Nissan Notes - but please, please keep out of my way ;)
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I get a really horrible feeling than I am going to get something really far too sensible :'(
I've been in a couple of cars lately that were a revelation too me, purely because I wasn't encouraged to give it large. Which is good for my licence.
WTF am I saying, somebody help me, PLEASE!!!!
My mate has a supercharged Range Rover which goes quite well. ;) ;) ;D Practical it ain't. ;D
When I use the Nissan I feel higher up and see things that I don't normally see when I'm blatting about in either the Omega or the Bimmer. There is less desire to get annoyed and this can only be good for me. :y Big plus for you is that a Range would cope with the snow that stays in Brackley for three weeks longer than anywhere else. ;D
Big decision, fast but practical or a vehicle where you can Lord it over other drivers. ;D ;D
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I get a really horrible feeling than I am going to get something really far too sensible :'(
I've been in a couple of cars lately that were a revelation too me, purely because I wasn't encouraged to give it large. Which is good for my licence.
WTF am I saying, somebody help me, PLEASE!!!!
My mate has a supercharged Range Rover which goes quite well. ;) ;) ;D Practical it ain't. ;D
When I use the Nissan I feel higher up and see things that I don't normally see when I'm blatting about in either the Omega or the Bimmer. There is less desire to get annoyed and this can only be good for me. :y Big plus for you is that a Range would cope with the snow that stays in Brackley for three weeks longer than anywhere else. ;D
Big decision, fast but practical or a vehicle where you can Lord it over other drivers. ;D ;D
Bloody lovely sound they make :)
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V6 diesel Vectra estate :-\
The 2.0DTi is too powerful for that chassis...
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V6 diesel Vectra estate :-\
The 2.0DTi is too powerful for that chassis...
At least with the weight of the v6 traction should be better... I hope :-\
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V6 diesel Vectra estate :-\
The 2.0DTi is too powerful for that chassis...
At least with the weight of the v6 traction should be better... I hope :-\
True. But I'd rather have an Insignia. I was pleasantly surprised by the Insignia. Pig ugly though (but then, so is Veccy-C)
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What are the requirements? 2 door, 4 door? Budget?
Rx8? Cheap as chips to buy. Not very frugal though. Dunno about LPG either.
A Scooby or Legacy?
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E63 AMG.
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What are the requirements? 2 door, 4 door? Budget?
Rx8? Cheap as chips to buy. Not very frugal though. Dunno about LPG either.
A Scooby or Legacy?
V8, fast, fun.
But in reality, something capable of easily doing 40+mpg, 5 adults in reasonable comfort and still room for some luggage, shorter than an Omega. Less than 1.83m high.
Oh, and it can't be blue (long story)
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Just to be clear, there is far more chance of me getting a bimmer than a Lexus iS 300. Just so we're clear.
That, without doubt, will be your loss. Dont compare it with Dtm's experience with the 2.0 btw. Lead the horse to water.... ::)
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I get a really horrible feeling than I am going to get something really far too sensible :'(
I've been in a couple of cars lately that were a revelation too me, purely because I wasn't encouraged to give it large. Which is good for my licence.
WTF am I saying, somebody help me, PLEASE!!!!
God help me.... ::) It's an age thing, I went all sensible a few years ago and got a Citroen 7 Seater as a practical family car, then I came to my senses again...... :y :y
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E63 AMG.
That's a very good shout IMO. But one discussed before, and Iirc I believe they are too new re price. £££££
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What are the requirements? 2 door, 4 door? Budget?
Rx8? Cheap as chips to buy. Not very frugal though. Dunno about LPG either.
A Scooby or Legacy?
V8, fast, fun.
But in reality, something capable of easily doing 40+mpg, 5 adults in reasonable comfort and still room for some luggage, shorter than an Omega. Less than 1.83m high.
Oh, and it can't be blue (long story)
Has to be VXR8. Cheapish to maintain. Experts here in shape of 2woody ect. Barn door type engineering so DIY easy? This is were a lot of others fall down.
Audi RS4 or RS6, parts price and lack of DIY forums.
Jag XF-R? Older shape better looking.
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Just to be clear, there is far more chance of me getting a bimmer than a Lexus iS 300. Just so we're clear.
That, without doubt, will be your loss. Dont compare it with Dtm's experience with the 2.0 btw. Lead the horse to water.... ::)
Simply doesn't appeal. Not much does TBH, hence my dilema. Added to that, teh Lexus doesn't fit my criteria.
I'm unaware of Fuse18's Lexus problems.
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What are the requirements? 2 door, 4 door? Budget?
Rx8? Cheap as chips to buy. Not very frugal though. Dunno about LPG either.
A Scooby or Legacy?
V8, fast, fun.
But in reality, something capable of easily doing 40+mpg, 5 adults in reasonable comfort and still room for some luggage, shorter than an Omega. Less than 1.83m high.
Oh, and it can't be blue (long story)
Has to be VXR8. Cheapish to maintain. Experts here in shape of 2woody ect. Barn door type engineering so DIY easy? This is were a lot of others fall down.
Audi RS4 or RS6, parts price and lack of DIY forums.
Jag XF-R? Older shape better looking.
And how will I get 40+mpg easily from any of them?
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Oh, and manual. It MUST be manual. I'm missing my fix.
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Nissan GT-R :D
If we're just going to shout out random cars we could be here a while ;D
If we are talking bang for buck though its right up there,70 ish grand for hypercar performance :y
£70,000 for a Datsun..... ::) ::) ::) :-X
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LPG. You wanted V8?
So XF 3.0d? Good prices, spec. Only sat in one, but great driving position. Nice centre arm rest position like Omega
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Oh think all XFs are autos :(
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LPG. You wanted V8?
So XF 3.0d? Good prices, spec. Only sat in one, but great driving position. Nice centre arm rest position like Omega
No LPG. I have 2 perfectly good cars with LPG. But no rather boot ;D
I fancy an XF, but in this case does not meet criteria.
The compromises I will have to make are:
Not V8
Not fast
Not fun
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Oh think all XFs are autos :(
Some (all?) have flappy paddles, and decent enough ratios. I could live with that. If I have to compromise on to autos, must be a minimum of 6 speed.
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Oh think all XFs are autos :(
WTF wants a manual Jaaag? ;) There's also those that spec Jags without leather ;D ;D ;D
and then you have a lemon when it comes to selling it ;)
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So Audi RS6 then, manual, V8.
But no high MPG. So has to be diesel?
Can't have your cake & eat it, even though it looks like you have ;D
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Leather, thanks Andy B, that reminds me...
NO rather LEATHER!!!
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Oh think all XFs are autos :(
WTF wants a manual Jaaag? ;) There's also those that spec Jags without leather ;D ;D ;D
and then you have a lemon when it comes to selling it ;)
He said manual after I said XF (which are all auto)
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So Audi RS6 then, manual, V8.
But no high MPG. So has to be diesel?
Can't have your cake & eat it, even though it looks like you have ;D
Pretty much... ...or a small shitbox
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LPG. You wanted V8?
So XF 3.0d? Good prices, spec. Only sat in one, but great driving position. Nice centre arm rest position like Omega
No LPG. I have 2 perfectly good cars with LPG. But no rather boot ;D
I fancy an XF, but in this case does not meet criteria.
The compromises I will have to make are:
Not V8
Not fast
Not fun
Rover!
NEXT!
Hold on. Oppsing diesel...? :o
Has someone hacked your account?
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So which is it?
Performance = V8
Reality = Diesel
Limited to BMW & Audi as they are about the only to make fast V8 diesels
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Oh, and manual. It MUST be manual. I'm missing my fix.
Diesel Vectra C estate :-\ ticks every box, and get the colour right, the facelift is pretty sharp... needs to be either Moonstone, silver or white :y
Better boot and rear space than the hatch/Omega too...
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Leather, thanks Andy B, that reminds me...
NO rather LEATHER!!!
Get a Merc then ...... loads of them have Artico instead of proper leather - like mine (the 'suede' in the middle of my seats isn't particularly wearing well :-\ )
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Oh, and manual. It MUST be manual. I'm missing my fix.
Diesel Vectra C estate :-\ ticks every box, and get the colour right, the facelift is pretty sharp... needs to be either Moonstone, silver or white :y
Better boot and rear space than the hatch/Omega too...
Stop flogging the hopeless Vectra C. Its a horrid, horrid, ugly, box.
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So which is it?
Performance = V8
Reality = Diesel
Limited to BMW & Audi as they are about the only to make fast V8 diesels
No point having a V8 if it runs on treacle. So forget V8.
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LPG. You wanted V8?
So XF 3.0d? Good prices, spec. Only sat in one, but great driving position. Nice centre arm rest position like Omega
No LPG. I have 2 perfectly good cars with LPG. But no rather boot ;D
I fancy an XF, but in this case does not meet criteria.
The compromises I will have to make are:
Not V8
Not fast
Not fun
Rover!
NEXT!
Hold on. Oppsing diesel...? :o
Has someone hacked your account?
I considered another 25 (diesel), even though it doesn't meet requirements, as cheap, fun and cheap to run.
But every single one has been owned by a chav, and money spent one boomboxes and undercar lighting, rather than a bit of oil every year.
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LPG. You wanted V8?
So XF 3.0d? Good prices, spec. Only sat in one, but great driving position. Nice centre arm rest position like Omega
No LPG. I have 2 perfectly good cars with LPG. But no rather boot ;D
I fancy an XF, but in this case does not meet criteria.
The compromises I will have to make are:
Not V8
Not fast
Not fun
Rover!
NEXT!
Hold on. Oppsing diesel...? :o
Has someone hacked your account?
I considered another 25 (diesel), even though it doesn't meet requirements, as cheap, fun and cheap to run.
But every single one has been owned by a chav, and money spent one boomboxes and undercar lighting, rather than a bit of oil every year.
Sorry but that's simply not the case. Every single one I see has a blue rinse in it and is bloody mint Afaict anyway. Just mug an old lady and be done. ;D
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Oh, and manual. It MUST be manual. I'm missing my fix.
Diesel Vectra C estate :-\ ticks every box, and get the colour right, the facelift is pretty sharp... needs to be either Moonstone, silver or white :y
Better boot and rear space than the hatch/Omega too...
Stop flogging the hopeless Vectra C. Its a horrid, horrid, ugly, box.
Ticks all the boxes, including budget, which is more than you've managed :-X
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Mondeo? I like it better than Insignia. Better looking and more comfy.
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Sorry but that's simply not the case. Every single one I see has a blue rinse in it and is bloody mint Afaict anyway. Just mug an old lady and be done. ;D
I don't want a 1.1 or 1.4 base model. These are the ones with one elderly owner from new.
You don't get the 1.6 or diesels belonging to old foogies.
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Oh, and manual. It MUST be manual. I'm missing my fix.
Diesel Vectra C estate :-\ ticks every box, and get the colour right, the facelift is pretty sharp... needs to be either Moonstone, silver or white :y
Better boot and rear space than the hatch/Omega too...
Stop flogging the hopeless Vectra C. Its a horrid, horrid, ugly, box.
Ticks all the boxes, including budget, which is more than you've managed :-X
What budget? Not seen one. All ones I have listed can do 40mpg, but may need LPG.
The Vectra was crap when launched and crap when it was killed off. The Insignia is a marginal improvement. I've tried to like it, the average looks but hard seats and crampt cabin put me off.
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So which is it?
Performance = V8
Reality = Diesel
Limited to BMW & Audi as they are about the only to make fast V8 diesels
Think it's been mentioned but dare I say 530/535d. Straight six, economical for its size and limited to 155. Don't know what budget or requirements are though. Trust me, you won't know you are in a diesel.
No idea on maintenance costs though so could be a nightmare. :-\
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So which is it?
Performance = V8
Reality = Diesel
Limited to BMW & Audi as they are about the only to make fast V8 diesels
Think it's been mentioned but dare I say 530/535d. Straight six, economical for its size and limited to 155. Don't know what budget or requirements are though. Trust me, you won't know you are in a diesel.
No idea on maintenance costs though so could be a nightmare. :-\
I like 5s but as you say service costs will be high. Limited DIY base too.
With my decent tools these days, going classic route is valid option. Expensive to fuel, but cheap to service.
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Given as the only car TB has expressed any interest in is a Rover 25...
This is the most expensive on in the uk...
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201312050359086/sort/default/usedcars/postcode/rh202dg/quicksearch/true/model/25/radius/1500/onesearchad/used%2Cnearlynew%2Cnew/page/26/make/rover?logcode=p (http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201312050359086/sort/default/usedcars/postcode/rh202dg/quicksearch/true/model/25/radius/1500/onesearchad/used%2Cnearlynew%2Cnew/page/26/make/rover?logcode=p)
Which puts the budget at £3k ::)
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How about another Omega, manual MV6? Picked up for pennies, just leave boot spare.
If you were looking at A6 avant diesel, then budget must be decent. Take a long time to recoup fuel costs.
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Given as the only car TB has expressed any interest in is a Rover 25...
This is the most expensive on in the uk...
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201312050359086/sort/default/usedcars/postcode/rh202dg/quicksearch/true/model/25/radius/1500/onesearchad/used%2Cnearlynew%2Cnew/page/26/make/rover?logcode=p (http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201312050359086/sort/default/usedcars/postcode/rh202dg/quicksearch/true/model/25/radius/1500/onesearchad/used%2Cnearlynew%2Cnew/page/26/make/rover?logcode=p)
Which puts the budget at £3k ::)
Suspect his budget is considerably more, given A6 was on the list ;)
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Taxidriver was trying to flog his Passat to STEMO earlier..... ;)
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Taxidriver was trying to flog his Passat to STEMO earlier..... ;)
Who is just about nuts enough to buy it ;D
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Taxidriver was trying to flog his Passat to STEMO earlier..... ;)
Who is just about nuts enough to buy it ;D
I think it was too cheap for STEMO :-\ Not enough depreciation involved!! ;D
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So which is it?
Performance = V8
Reality = Diesel
Limited to BMW & Audi as they are about the only to make fast V8 diesels
Think it's been mentioned but dare I say 530/535d. Straight six, economical for its size and limited to 155. Don't know what budget or requirements are though. Trust me, you won't know you are in a diesel.
No idea on maintenance costs though so could be a nightmare. :-\
I like 5s but as you say service costs will be high. Limited DIY base too.
With my decent tools these days, going classic route is valid option. Expensive to fuel, but cheap to service.
Trade BMW parts, cheap stuff, DIY on a 5 Series, easy stuff :y.
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So which is it?
Performance = V8
Reality = Diesel
Limited to BMW & Audi as they are about the only to make fast V8 diesels
Think it's been mentioned but dare I say 530/535d. Straight six, economical for its size and limited to 155. Don't know what budget or requirements are though. Trust me, you won't know you are in a diesel.
No idea on maintenance costs though so could be a nightmare. :-\
I like 5s but as you say service costs will be high. Limited DIY base too.
With my decent tools these days, going classic route is valid option. Expensive to fuel, but cheap to service.
Trade BMW parts, cheap stuff, DIY on a 5 Series, easy stuff :y.
Are they similar to the e39 5 Del? Suspension joints, turbo, injectors, hedgehogs, swirl flaps, diesel pumps(x5?)...?
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In for a penny, in for a pound. If considering an a6...
How far away Is a vxr8 or a Phaeton? Ok, diesel a Phaeton. They've dropped alot in price.
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If after a Rover 25, might be worth talking to 2woody. Think he has a rather special one. In bits, admittedly. ;)
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If after a Rover 25, might be worth talking to 2woody. Think he has a rather special one. In bits, admittedly. ;)
Isn't that the best way to own one ..... ::)
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Can that Audi be chipped? Might help? Will the box take it?
Where's Josh anyway. He's the used car salesman round here. :)
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There's a big difference between a 20mpg car on lpg and a 40+mpg car on diesel...
Manual five seater, bit of space, diesel, 40+ mpg then could do (a bit) worse than a Seat Leon/VW Jetta/Octavia :-\
Astra J estate if the Insignia is acceptable...
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Kia Cee'd... :-X
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Kia Cee'd... :-X
;D
Part of me wanted to say Hyundai i40 estate though...
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What are the requirements? 2 door, 4 door? Budget?
Rx8? Cheap as chips to buy. Not very frugal though. Dunno about LPG either.
A Scooby or Legacy?
V8, fast, fun.
But in reality, something capable of easily doing 40+mpg, 5 adults in reasonable comfort and still room for some luggage, shorter than an Omega. Less than 1.83m high.
Oh, and it can't be blue (long story)
Mazda 6 diesel, 163ps variant. Had one as a company car for a while, handles ok when throw a round on country roads, cruises effortlessly, 0-60 similar to omega 3.2, large in side, big boot, 45-50mpg, more interesting than a mondeo.
Yes it's a diesel, yes it's fwd, but they've tuned the engine and turbo so you have a slightly wider power band than a 1k rev range like most diesels.
The new saloon is also a bi turbo, but I'd go for a 3-4 yr old one. Cheapish tax too as low on co2
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There's a big difference between a 20mpg car on lpg and a 40+mpg car on diesel...
Manual five seater, bit of space, diesel, 40+ mpg then could do (a bit) worse than a Seat Leon/VW Jetta/Octavia :-\
Astra J estate if the Insignia is acceptable...
Jeta is a fair car, but the Bora before it was preferable IMO. Fairly solid and some surprisingly sporty options. :)
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Talking of budget, I would like to think that TB isn't daft enough to pour a bucket load of cash into a newer executive :-\
Thinking slighty off centre... one of theses...
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201311300249517/sort/default/usedcars/page/6/model/altea/make/seat/radius/1500/transmission/manual/fuel-type/diesel/onesearchad/used%2Cnearlynew%2Cnew/postcode/rh202dg?logcode=p (http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201311300249517/sort/default/usedcars/page/6/model/altea/make/seat/radius/1500/transmission/manual/fuel-type/diesel/onesearchad/used%2Cnearlynew%2Cnew/postcode/rh202dg?logcode=p)
Ticks every single box. Seating position is a bit more upright, no bad thing given TBs back, pretty nimble to drive, reasonable boot, seats 5, rear seat is adjustable. Only a 5 speed box, but the engine is reputed to be the best that VW offer...
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What was the Audi you drove, 2.0 TDi of a 3.0?
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So which is it?
Performance = V8
Reality = Diesel
Limited to BMW & Audi as they are about the only to make fast V8 diesels
Reality is for people who can't handle drugs.......or a big V8.. :P :P :P
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What are the requirements? 2 door, 4 door? Budget?
Rx8? Cheap as chips to buy. Not very frugal though. Dunno about LPG either.
A Scooby or Legacy?
13 MPG....if you have a light right foot. It is also a hairdressers car.......perhaps that may appeal to Mr TB. :-X
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13 MPG ........
miles per gallon of fuel or oil? ::) ::) ;)
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Kia Cee'd... :-X
;D
Part of me wanted to say Hyundai i40 estate though...
My mate had one of those on hire when he was over from the US with the family and he was very impressed with it! :)
His daily drive is a Jaguar XK convertable, which he's no slouch in either! :o ;D
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What was the Audi you drove, 2.0 TDi of a 3.0?
Must of been a 2.0,3.0 diesel is proper quick :y
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What was the Audi you drove, 2.0 TDi of a 3.0?
Must of been a 2.0,3.0 diesel is proper quick :y
Indeed, 3.0 diesel gets to 60 in 6.1 seconds, according to this...
http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-review/first-drives/audi-a6-30-tdi-quattro (http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-review/first-drives/audi-a6-30-tdi-quattro)
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E320 CDI is more affordable than the E63 with cheaper running costs. :y :y :y
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13 MPG ........
miles per gallon of fuel or oil? ::) ::) ;)
The one Mrs Opti owned actually used very little oil. She was always worried that she'd flood it. :(
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Well what about one of these TB ???
(https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcThfz4hBoYzl-q9aVPAdi7vaTHGMFLA-zJv0b3QmFdcihrEaHAXNg)
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Well what about one of these TB ???
(https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcThfz4hBoYzl-q9aVPAdi7vaTHGMFLA-zJv0b3QmFdcihrEaHAXNg)
You can't be serious!!! ;D ;D ;D :o ??? ::)
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Well what about one of these TB ???
(https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcThfz4hBoYzl-q9aVPAdi7vaTHGMFLA-zJv0b3QmFdcihrEaHAXNg)
The crossfire looks OK, my missus fancied one, but I believe they're nowhere near as sporty as they look.
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Well what about one of these TB ???
(https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcThfz4hBoYzl-q9aVPAdi7vaTHGMFLA-zJv0b3QmFdcihrEaHAXNg)
You can't be serious!!! ;D ;D ;D :o ??? ::)
3.2 V6 supercharged ;)
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Well what about one of these TB ???
(https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcThfz4hBoYzl-q9aVPAdi7vaTHGMFLA-zJv0b3QmFdcihrEaHAXNg)
You can't be serious!!! ;D ;D ;D :o ??? ::)
3.2 V6 supercharged ;)
Are you sure?, Mr Emd.
Another car that looks like a dog taking a dump. :P :P
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SRT-6 ;)
SRT-6 (https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=video&cd=7&cad=rja&ved=0CF8QtwIwBg&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DU1EGqqJVk2Q&ei=tZGoUtjiGYGThQe0poE4&usg=AFQjCNHFSXb9v2ueNQjUjRRf909Cd3DAFQ)
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SRT-6 ;)
SRT-6 (https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=video&cd=7&cad=rja&ved=0CF8QtwIwBg&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DU1EGqqJVk2Q&ei=tZGoUtjiGYGThQe0poE4&usg=AFQjCNHFSXb9v2ueNQjUjRRf909Cd3DAFQ)
A diesel Omega would waste it in a straight line.......... ;D :P :P :P
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Well what about one of these TB ???
(https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcThfz4hBoYzl-q9aVPAdi7vaTHGMFLA-zJv0b3QmFdcihrEaHAXNg)
The crossfire looks OK, my missus fancied one, but I believe they're nowhere near as sporty as they look.
YOU, Esta, are in NO position to advise on used cars. ;D Ever ! ;D
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SRT-6 ;)
SRT-6 (https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=video&cd=7&cad=rja&ved=0CF8QtwIwBg&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DU1EGqqJVk2Q&ei=tZGoUtjiGYGThQe0poE4&usg=AFQjCNHFSXb9v2ueNQjUjRRf909Cd3DAFQ)
A diesel Omega would waste it in a straight line.......... ;D :P :P :P
A diesel Omega would waste it in the bends as well!!! ;D
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Which landrover variant did you try? Freelander2 is a good drive in my opinion, in both manual and auto variants. Can be well specced but look out for salesmans howlers such as tan interiors and black/tan dash.
Car drives well, responsive and spritely, good internal space and boot as well as driving position. It can be really hustled along if you wan to play and surprises many a sportscar driver bellend if driven properly...... ;D
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So which is it?
Performance = V8
Reality = Diesel
Limited to BMW & Audi as they are about the only to make fast V8 diesels
Think it's been mentioned but dare I say 530/535d. Straight six, economical for its size and limited to 155. Don't know what budget or requirements are though. Trust me, you won't know you are in a diesel.
No idea on maintenance costs though so could be a nightmare. :-\
That is precisely why I said more chance of me getting a beemer than a Lexus.
Budget, I'm torn. Pay good money on a decent car, and hate it every day because the cost v perfromance will be poor. Or get an old banger, that owes me nought, and still meets the main criteria, but will likely have a dull, boring, tedious ride.
I guess the advantage of banger route is never having to worry about the car in carparks etc.
Dunno, completely undecided.
Or, oppsit, get a Monaro (as they are cheap), and 'dangle berries' to rear passengers and load capability ;D
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Remember trip out in Robseys Monaro? Space was fine in the back and I was behind Gixer! :o
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Remember trip out in Robseys Monaro? Space was fine in the back and I was behind Gixer! :o
No, its not. Space and access is poor.
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Remember trip out in Robseys Monaro? Space was fine in the back and I was behind Gixer! :o
No, its not. Space and access is poor.
OK access yes. But for 6ft person to by comfy in passenger seat, with 6ft5 person behind also comfy, I think that was impressive.
VXR Version did have shit boot though
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Something said for a banger though, cheap to service.
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Remember trip out in Robseys Monaro? Space was fine in the back and I was behind Gixer! :o
No, its not. Space and access is poor.
OK access yes. But for 6ft person to by comfy in passenger seat, with 6ft5 person behind also comfy, I think that was impressive.
VXR Version did have shit boot though
Impractical for rear passengers, so such a car would have to be considered a 2 seater, with ooption to carry 2 more in emergency.
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Something said for a banger though, cheap to service.
I'm coming round to that idea.... ....I think that was part of the attraction of Tractor/TB2
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Something said for a banger though, cheap to service.
I'm coming round to that idea.... ....I think that was part of the attraction of Tractor/TB2
At some point I think I will go through same motions, good money on decent car or a banger. Given how poor and expensive most garages are, DIY remains big winner
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For my two penneth worth and i know in advance the response ,but
Four wheel drive
five seater
3.2 petrol
hatchback
Fantastic fun ( i know my son has one)
0/ 60 sub 7 seconds
but its made by VW......
Golf r32
well worth looking at.
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If these suggestions are for omega replacement, they're not much like an omega.
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I thought the main issues with a three door was the extra long doors. Ie, in a car park, normal size space, so way too small.
A longer door means limited acces to the driver on a day to day basis, as a longer door can't be opened as wide a shorter door. Makes access bloody awkward ime. Inlaws volvo c70 was very poor in that regard.
And yes the boot was all wrong on the monaro.
But, of your even remotely considering a monaro. Then another 2 or 3k will fix ALL those problems with a vxr8. Boot is huge, single cubby hole door through space. And better mpg than an omega day to day. Although obviously that will all go to 'dangle berries' at the weekend. ;D ;D ;D
I know of one that has been lpg'd. Vaguely.
And it is, very much better than an omega. Ignoring the rear blind. ;D
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And better mpg than an omega day to day. Although obviously that will all go to 'dangle berries' at the weekend. ;D ;D ;D
You know as well as I do that mpg will be dire any day of the week. Would you be able to resist the temptation?
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And better mpg than an omega day to day. Although obviously that will all go to 'dangle berries' at the weekend. ;D ;D ;D
You know as well as I do that mpg will be dire any day of the week. Would you be able to resist the temptation?
You know as well is I do, your commute is restricted to 40mph. 2woody and Robsey both report better mpg than omega.
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And better mpg than an omega day to day. Although obviously that will all go to 'dangle berries' at the weekend. ;D ;D ;D
You know as well as I do that mpg will be dire any day of the week. Would you be able to resist the temptation?
You know as well is I do, your commute is restricted to 40mph. 2woody and Robsey both report better mpg than omega.
Except the short stretches of straight road, and some sections of dual carriageway. That'll make up for the 40mph economy bits.
I suppose I could drive at 40 along the dual carriageways, and not overtake anything on the lanes... ...nah, thats just 'dangle berries' ;D
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The Monaro and the VXR8 went for a day out on Sunday, 140 mile round trip... the Monaro did £60 of petrol, VXR8 did less than half a tank of lpg...
Early Monaros have the tank where it should be and consequently a decent boot. But the only box ticked is the gearbox...
Bin the Bullet for a vfm commuter box, like the diseasel Altea I linked to earlier, and buy an auto VXR8 for bests :y
Job jobbed... Next...
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And better mpg than an omega day to day. Although obviously that will all go to 'dangle berries' at the weekend. ;D ;D ;D
You know as well as I do that mpg will be dire any day of the week. Would you be able to resist the temptation?
You know as well is I do, your commute is restricted to 40mph. 2woody and Robsey both report better mpg than omega.
Except the short stretches of straight road, and some sections of dual carriageway. That'll make up for the 40mph economy bits.
I suppose I could drive at 40 along the dual carriageways, and not overtake anything on the lanes... ...nah, thats just 'dangle berries' ;D
Why so? Everyone else does...
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auto VXR8
Those 2 words should not be used together.
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auto VXR8
Those 2 words should not be used together.
You drive an auto Omega or two ::) besides try and find a manual one :'(
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auto VXR8
Those 2 words should not be used together.
You drive an auto Omega or two ::) besides try and find a manual one :'(
I drive an auto Omega because the manual variant has such a horrible box (IMHO)
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auto VXR8
Those 2 words should not be used together.
You drive an auto Omega or two ::) besides try and find a manual one :'(
I drive an auto Omega because the manual variant has such a horrible box (IMHO)
The Tremec box isn't much better, having driven two manual VXR8s... ;D besides a manual Omega is fine once you're used to it :y
Don't fancy the Seat then :-\
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If these suggestions are for omega replacement, they're not much like an omega.
No. TB should get a Daewoo. I saw a Daewoo Lacetti today. Silver. He could call it TSS - The Silver Slug. :)
http://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/Cars-/9801/i.html?_dmpt=Automobiles_UK&_trksid=p2050890.m1603&Manufacturer=Daewoo&Model=Lacetti
Probably more street cred than the likes of a VXR8 or Monaro.... :-\
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If these suggestions are for omega replacement, they're not much like an omega.
The requirements as I understand them are...
1. 5 seats.
2. a decent boot, unencumbered with a gas tank.
3. 4/5 doors to ease use of the rear seats.
4. 40+mpg.
5. manual gearbox.
6. sensible budget, although that does seem to be a perspective point.
Anything else TB?
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If these suggestions are for omega replacement, they're not much like an omega.
The requirements as I understand them are...
1. 5 seats.
2. a decent boot, unencumbered with a gas tank.
3. 4/5 doors to ease use of the rear seats.
4. 40+mpg.
5. manual gearbox.
6. sensible budget, although that does seem to be a perspective point.
Anything else TB?
There's been a bit of thread drift then? ;D
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Not really, it's simply that TB has been a bit reticent with specifics... they're all there somewhere over the last ten pages :y
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Does fatty really want a diesel manual? Really? He would be for ever changing gear, 6 gears short rev range. It's no fun, it's no way near as fun as a petrol manual.
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He wants 40+mpg, a manual box, a boot and 5 seats, only going to happen with a diesel given his driving style ::)
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Having driven various diesel manuals recently, in traffic they really are no fun. Too many gears, on a cruise it's nice.
Autos suit the modern diesels better, hence XF only in auto.
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I don't think fun was in the specifications.... :-\
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Don't recall seeing it either, otherwise why bother keeping the Bullet :-\
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Not really, it's simply that TB has been a bit reticent with specifics... they're all there somewhere over the last ten pages :y
A common theme, over the last 5 years. Regardless of the subject. ;D
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Not really, it's simply that TB has been a bit reticent with specifics... they're all there somewhere over the last ten pages :y
A common theme, over the last 5 43 years. Regardless of the subject. ;D
Fixed.
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Not really, it's simply that TB has been a bit reticent with specifics... they're all there somewhere over the last ten pages :y
A common theme, over the last 5 43 years. Regardless of the subject. ;D
Fixed.
Well we can't help you if your going to play secret squirrel. ...conclude, TB dosnt want helping. Awkward bugger. ;D
Is300. I'm tellin ya! ;)
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Not really, it's simply that TB has been a bit reticent with specifics... they're all there somewhere over the last ten pages :y
A common theme, over the last 5 43 years. Regardless of the subject. ;D
Fixed.
Well we can't help you if your going to play secret squirrel. ...conclude, TB dosnt want helping. Awkward bugger. ;D
Is300. I'm tellin ya! ;)
Like a lot of things, I don't know what I want. I know what I don't want, and is300 does fit in that category at the moment.
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A E320 (3.0 diesel) Merc goes pretty well. I was impressed with the performance of the E Class estate I drove just when looking for a 'new' car ...... I bought the R320 though ;) ;)
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A E320 (3.0 diesel) Merc goes pretty well. I was impressed with the performance of the E Class estate I drove just when looking for a 'new' car ...... I bought the R320 though ;) ;)
I look after an E320cdi,I like it a lot,far more than the equivalent BMW :y
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A E320 (3.0 diesel) Merc goes pretty well. I was impressed with the performance of the E Class estate I drove just when looking for a 'new' car ...... I bought the R320 though ;) ;)
I look after an E320cdi,I like it a lot,far more than the equivalent BMW :y
Trouble with Mercs (no idea about other 'prestige marques' is that every car seems to be differently spec'd ....... some have this, some have that but rarely do they have this and that.
And just about all of them are a bloody 'sport' ....... I want an exec car to waft/wallow along, not be able to feel every crisp packet that I drive over. I like my Airmatic set to Comfort ....... Sport is horrible
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A E320 (3.0 diesel) Merc goes pretty well. I was impressed with the performance of the E Class estate I drove just when looking for a 'new' car ...... I bought the R320 though ;) ;)
I look after an E320cdi,I like it a lot,far more than the equivalent BMW :y
Trouble with Mercs (no idea about other 'prestige marques' is that every car seems to be differently spec'd ....... some have this, some have that but rarely do they have this and that.
And just about all of them are a bloody 'sport' ....... I want an exec car to waft/wallow along, not be able to feel every crisp packet that I drive over. I like my Airmatic set to Comfort ....... Sport is horrible
My Merc is an ' Elegance ' 8) although in truth it's more like an ' Inelegance ' :( ;)
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The Russet edges add a certain rustic charm though :y
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So which is it?
Performance = V8
Reality = Diesel
Limited to BMW & Audi as they are about the only to make fast V8 diesels
Think it's been mentioned but dare I say 530/535d. Straight six, economical for its size and limited to 155. Don't know what budget or requirements are though. Trust me, you won't know you are in a diesel.
No idea on maintenance costs though so could be a nightmare. :-\
I like 5s but as you say service costs will be high. Limited DIY base too.
With my decent tools these days, going classic route is valid option. Expensive to fuel, but cheap to service.
Trade BMW parts, cheap stuff, DIY on a 5 Series, easy stuff :y.
Are they similar to the e39 5 Del? Suspension joints, turbo, injectors, hedgehogs, swirl flaps, diesel pumps(x5?)...?
E60's are generally pretty good to be honest, injectors can be troublesome, turbos not as big of an issue, swirl flaps we're changed from 2005 onwards, still there as an issue, but not a big problem, diesel pumps not heard of an issue with one of those really :y. BMW's are no better reliability wise than anything else I've got to say, however the engines are cracking, build quality is good, and they drive like a car should.
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TB wants another project Tractor, thats what. You will get used to the manual gearbox.
Cheap to buy, cheap to run, gives you the bit of fun, should get close to 40mpg with the diesel manual.
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TB wants another project Tractor, thats what. You will get used to the manual gearbox constant engine swaps again.
Fixed that for you. :y
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Actually been trying to think of something.. Really can't, though. I can't get excited about anything new. Quite like the recent Mazdas and they don't really have an "image", which is the thing that'd completely put me off an Audi. If their reliability is as good as it was, it should be a safe bet. My F.I.L has a recent Mitsubishi Lancer, which I quite like the looks of (in black). Not an overstyled sheep in wolf's clothing like most cars these days IMHO. Not driven one, though.
If wanting something cheap to run you'll end up with a FWD tractor-engined repmobile anyway, so just buy the one you hate the least, once it's done all its' depreciating. ;)
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TB wants another project Tractor, thats what. You will get used to the manual gearbox.
Cheap to buy, cheap to run, gives you the bit of fun, should get close to 40mpg with the diesel manual.
And if he gets an Estate, he won't need a garage either. ;)
Hold on. A manual gear box? ...as TB would say, stupid boy Pike. ;D
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We are all talking about tractors as he needs 40mpg+, but does he if it has LPG? The problem with modern tractors is that the fuel consumption saving can be an illusion with the higher purchase price and running costs through high pressure pumps, turbos, DPF's and injector reliability all too often means the cost of spare parts more than outweighs the reduced fuel running costs.
My own conclusion is that petrol + LPG is probably a cheaper and better route for many over the overall cost of a tractor. Should he be looking within his budget for petrol plus the cost of an LPG conversion?
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We are all talking about tractors as he needs 40mpg+, but does he if it has LPG? The problem with modern tractors is that the fuel consumption saving can be an illusion with the higher purchase price and running costs through high pressure pumps, turbos, DPF's and injector reliability all too often means the cost of spare parts more than outweighs the reduced fuel running costs.
My own conclusion is that petrol + LPG is probably a cheaper and better route for many over the overall cost of a tractor. Should he be looking within his budget for petrol plus the cost of an LPG conversion?
This is spot on, you can spend £15k on something that does 50mpg and quick, but the big diesels do appear to suffer. As highlighted elsewhere engines these days are build more and more for emissions, less so DIY and driving experience.
A £10k Monaro + DIY service costs, vs say £15k Insignia? Going to take a long time to burn through £5k's worth of fuel...... well maybe not in TB's case ;D
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TB wants another project Tractor, thats what. You will get used to the manual gearbox.
Cheap to buy, cheap to run, gives you the bit of fun, should get close to 40mpg with the diesel manual.
It won't be an Omega, and I'd never get used to that awful manual box.
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We are all talking about tractors as he needs 40mpg+, but does he if it has LPG? The problem with modern tractors is that the fuel consumption saving can be an illusion with the higher purchase price and running costs through high pressure pumps, turbos, DPF's and injector reliability all too often means the cost of spare parts more than outweighs the reduced fuel running costs.
My own conclusion is that petrol + LPG is probably a cheaper and better route for many over the overall cost of a tractor. Should he be looking within his budget for petrol plus the cost of an LPG conversion?
LPG is out, as the whole point is having something with load carrying ability. I have 2 LPG cars already ;)
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TB wants another project Tractor, thats what. You will get used to the manual gearbox.
Cheap to buy, cheap to run, gives you the bit of fun, should get close to 40mpg with the diesel manual.
It won't be an Omega, and I'd never get used to that awful manual box.
A poor gearbox in then, vs a nice new modern box that has 6 speeds and you will be for ever changing gear.
I can see a 6 speed manual diesel's novelty wearing thin, especially on your commute.
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A £10k Monaro + DIY service costs, vs say £15k Insignia? Going to take a long time to burn through £5k's worth of fuel...... well maybe not in TB's case ;D
At around 10-15mpg, I'd say within about 15k/9 months (assuming anything else I can get 40mpg from), to burn through that "saved" £5k
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A £10k Monaro + DIY service costs, vs say £15k Insignia? Going to take a long time to burn through £5k's worth of fuel...... well maybe not in TB's case ;D
At around 10-15mpg, I'd say within about 15k/9 months (assuming anything else I can get 40mpg from), to burn through that "saved" £5k
Well normal people could probably get fair bit more out of Monaro, Robsey reported better MPG than any V6 Omega!
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A £10k Monaro + DIY service costs, vs say £15k Insignia? Going to take a long time to burn through £5k's worth of fuel...... well maybe not in TB's case ;D
At around 10-15mpg, I'd say within about 15k/9 months (assuming anything else I can get 40mpg from), to burn through that "saved" £5k
Well normal people could probably get fair bit more out of Monaro, Robsey reported better MPG than any V6 Omega!
If you listened to what he said, "when cruising". He openly said how bad it was when hooning around, and I bet that 10 mile jaunt we went on used the wrong side of a gallon (so approx 70ppm in your brain).
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A £10k Monaro + DIY service costs, vs say £15k Insignia? Going to take a long time to burn through £5k's worth of fuel...... well maybe not in TB's case ;D
At around 10-15mpg, I'd say within about 15k/9 months (assuming anything else I can get 40mpg from), to burn through that "saved" £5k
Well normal people could probably get fair bit more out of Monaro, Robsey reported better MPG than any V6 Omega!
If you listened to what he said, "when cruising". He openly said how bad it was when hooning around, and I bet that 10 mile jaunt we went on used the wrong side of a gallon (so approx 70ppm in your brain).
Yeah but there is hooning about, and a commute? That run we did would be very different from normal morning runs to work.
I can't see you being happy with a diesel manual, not to mention how fragile they appear to be when trashed constantly. Lets face it that 3.0 engine in the bullet of yours, has had a very, very hard life. I can't see a modern diesel taking that kind of punishment, which is your normal driving.
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I'd certainly recommend a Merc C250 TD Estate like mine. Rear wheel drive, comfy, plenty of grunt when you need it and a robust old style turbo diesel that will run happily on veggie oil so very cheap to run! :y I not sure what Merc's newer generation of CDi diesels are like though. For sure you couldn't run them on veggie but maybe more robust than a Ford or Vaux? :-\
This was one of my motivations for the importing a car from Japan idea I had recently, was to find a low mileage older vehicle that was easy to DIY maintain and with a basic old diesel that will run on veggie. ;)
LPG is great, but you do have the trade off with losing some boot space... ;)
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Lets face it that 3.0 engine in the bullet of yours, has had a very, very hard life. I can't see a modern diesel taking that kind of punishment, which is your normal driving.
That 3.0l has had an easy life. Thats why at 212k (plus whatever I did over the summer :-X) it still pulls like a train. I treat all my engines with the respect they deserve - let them warm up and cool down properly, and give them a blood transfusion regularly.
I would expect any engine, under those conditions, to last well.
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Having had a 2010 2.0 Tdci 140 Mondeo for a while - I can see many of the points made here. The manuals seem fragile due to DMF issues, the autos are 6 speed and inherently better suited to use the torque available.
Look @ a post 2011 2.2 Tdci with Bluefin and you have about 216 BHP and near as 500Nm available, with MPG for an auto still being in the 40s.
IIRC that's pretty much the same power as a 3.2 with almost double the torque available.
I regularly get over 60 MPG on one of my usual trips and average close to 50.
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Lets face it that 3.0 engine in the bullet of yours, has had a very, very hard life. I can't see a modern diesel taking that kind of punishment, which is your normal driving.
That 3.0l has had an easy life. Thats why at 212k (plus whatever I did over the summer :-X) it still pulls like a train. I treat all my engines with the respect they deserve - let them warm up and cool down properly, and give them a blood transfusion regularly.
I would expect any engine, under those conditions, to last well.
Engine yes, but DPF's?, DMF's, injectors?
Still think, given your driving style, DIY maintenance is a must. Which rules out quite a lot of cars...
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Got it :y
Seats 6, rwd, manual, diesel, diy friendly, loads of boot space, nice comfy driving position, and well within a sensible budget...
http://vans.autotrader.co.uk/used-vans/ford/transit/2005-ford-transit-tipper-tdi-90ps-drw-diesel-royston-vfpa-8aa782b542e0d8440142ec418edf0a74/bodytype/tipper/makemodel/make/ford/model/transit (http://vans.autotrader.co.uk/used-vans/ford/transit/2005-ford-transit-tipper-tdi-90ps-drw-diesel-royston-vfpa-8aa782b542e0d8440142ec418edf0a74/bodytype/tipper/makemodel/make/ford/model/transit)
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Still think, given your driving style, DIY maintenance is a must. Which rules out quite a lot of cars...
Does it? Oil, filters, coolant, belts, brake parts. All user-serviceable on pretty much all cars out there, and I wouldn't expect a newish car to need much else.
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Still think, given your driving style, DIY maintenance is a must. Which rules out quite a lot of cars...
Does it? Oil, filters, coolant, belts, brake parts. All user-serviceable on pretty much all cars out there, and I wouldn't expect a newish car to need much else.
For me, it's lack of forums to support DIY on newer cars.
Something like an Audi A6/8 ect will have very few who dabble themselves...
I guess ones with chains even less so, that just leaves coolant, filters, brakes I guess. :-\
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Still think, given your driving style, DIY maintenance is a must. Which rules out quite a lot of cars...
Does it? Oil, filters, coolant, belts, brake parts. All user-serviceable on pretty much all cars out there, and I wouldn't expect a newish car to need much else.
For me, it's lack of forums to support DIY on newer cars.
Something like an Audi A6/8 ect will have very few who dabble themselves...
I guess ones with chains even less so, that just leaves coolant, filters, brakes I guess. :-\
As I could be tempted by one of these:
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201311200041298/sort/default/usedcars/maximum-mileage/up_to_80000_miles/onesearchad/used%2Cnearlynew%2Cnew/fuel-type/diesel/make/audi/radius/1500/page/2/model/a8/postcode/w39ej?logcode=p (http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201311200041298/sort/default/usedcars/maximum-mileage/up_to_80000_miles/onesearchad/used%2Cnearlynew%2Cnew/fuel-type/diesel/make/audi/radius/1500/page/2/model/a8/postcode/w39ej?logcode=p)
But would have no idea where to begin with an oil change, or even an airfilter, not sure how different pads/disc change would be. :-\
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Actually, edit, one of these:
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201312120497892/sort/default/usedcars/make/jaguar/radius/1500/onesearchad/used%2Cnearlynew%2Cnew/maximum-mileage/up_to_80000_miles/model/xf/postcode/w39ej/fuel-type/diesel/page/1?logcode=p (http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201312120497892/sort/default/usedcars/make/jaguar/radius/1500/onesearchad/used%2Cnearlynew%2Cnew/maximum-mileage/up_to_80000_miles/model/xf/postcode/w39ej/fuel-type/diesel/page/1?logcode=p)
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Engine yes, but DPF's?, DMF's, injectors?
I doubt DPFs would cause me concern, as it'd get purged every time I used it. Has the DMF on your 2.2 given you any grief in 160k? Thought not.
Still think, given your driving style, DIY maintenance is a must. Which rules out quite a lot of cars...
Not sure why my driving style would affect servicing, but, yes, DIY maintenence is my preference (and not (just) for cost considerations).
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Actually, edit, one of these:
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201312120497892/sort/default/usedcars/make/jaguar/radius/1500/onesearchad/used%2Cnearlynew%2Cnew/maximum-mileage/up_to_80000_miles/model/xf/postcode/w39ej/fuel-type/diesel/page/1?logcode=p (http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201312120497892/sort/default/usedcars/make/jaguar/radius/1500/onesearchad/used%2Cnearlynew%2Cnew/maximum-mileage/up_to_80000_miles/model/xf/postcode/w39ej/fuel-type/diesel/page/1?logcode=p)
Thats still got a shit load of depreciation left in it. And the lack of a proper gearbox may remove such a car from my list... ...maybe as a potential Omega replacement in a year or 2. Have to be careful with Jags, make sure it has no Ford drivetrain on it.
My neighbours Jag tractor was properly quick (for a £5k tractor), and went properly sideways in a very progressive, controllable way. Oddly, he hasn't let me try any of his current cars ::)
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Actually, edit, one of these:
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201312120497892/sort/default/usedcars/make/jaguar/radius/1500/onesearchad/used%2Cnearlynew%2Cnew/maximum-mileage/up_to_80000_miles/model/xf/postcode/w39ej/fuel-type/diesel/page/1?logcode=p (http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201312120497892/sort/default/usedcars/make/jaguar/radius/1500/onesearchad/used%2Cnearlynew%2Cnew/maximum-mileage/up_to_80000_miles/model/xf/postcode/w39ej/fuel-type/diesel/page/1?logcode=p)
Thats still got a shit load of depreciation left in it. And the lack of a proper gearbox may remove such a car from my list... ...maybe as a potential Omega replacement in a year or 2. Have to be careful with Jags, make sure it has no Ford drivetrain on it.
My neighbours Jag tractor was properly quick (for a £5k tractor), and went properly sideways in a very progressive, controllable way. Oddly, he hasn't let me try any of his current cars ::)
That 2.7 oiler was a Ford/PSA collaboration,Citroen C6 and some of the larger Pugs had it as well :y
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Actually, edit, one of these:
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201312120497892/sort/default/usedcars/make/jaguar/radius/1500/onesearchad/used%2Cnearlynew%2Cnew/maximum-mileage/up_to_80000_miles/model/xf/postcode/w39ej/fuel-type/diesel/page/1?logcode=p (http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201312120497892/sort/default/usedcars/make/jaguar/radius/1500/onesearchad/used%2Cnearlynew%2Cnew/maximum-mileage/up_to_80000_miles/model/xf/postcode/w39ej/fuel-type/diesel/page/1?logcode=p)
Thats still got a shit load of depreciation left in it. And the lack of a proper gearbox may remove such a car from my list... ...maybe as a potential Omega replacement in a year or 2. Have to be careful with Jags, make sure it has no Ford drivetrain on it.
My neighbours Jag tractor was properly quick (for a £5k tractor), and went properly sideways in a very progressive, controllable way. Oddly, he hasn't let me try any of his current cars ::)
Bob had the S-Type, one of these?
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201312110467981/sort/default/usedcars/maximum-mileage/up_to_80000_miles/radius/1500/model/s-type/page/1/onesearchad/used%2Cnearlynew%2Cnew/fuel-type/diesel/postcode/w39ej/make/jaguar?logcode=p (http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201312110467981/sort/default/usedcars/maximum-mileage/up_to_80000_miles/radius/1500/model/s-type/page/1/onesearchad/used%2Cnearlynew%2Cnew/fuel-type/diesel/postcode/w39ej/make/jaguar?logcode=p)
Good price and spec, shame about the looks.
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How much do you intend to spend?, Mr admin man.......£10,000.......£15,000......or £20,000?
I hope that you're not as tight with money as rumour suggests. :P :P :P
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Actually, edit, one of these:
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201312120497892/sort/default/usedcars/make/jaguar/radius/1500/onesearchad/used%2Cnearlynew%2Cnew/maximum-mileage/up_to_80000_miles/model/xf/postcode/w39ej/fuel-type/diesel/page/1?logcode=p (http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201312120497892/sort/default/usedcars/make/jaguar/radius/1500/onesearchad/used%2Cnearlynew%2Cnew/maximum-mileage/up_to_80000_miles/model/xf/postcode/w39ej/fuel-type/diesel/page/1?logcode=p)
Thats still got a shit load of depreciation left in it. And the lack of a proper gearbox may remove such a car from my list... ...maybe as a potential Omega replacement in a year or 2. Have to be careful with Jags, make sure it has no Ford drivetrain on it.
My neighbours Jag tractor was properly quick (for a £5k tractor), and went properly sideways in a very progressive, controllable way. Oddly, he hasn't let me try any of his current cars ::)
Bob had the S-Type, one of these?
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201312110467981/sort/default/usedcars/maximum-mileage/up_to_80000_miles/radius/1500/model/s-type/page/1/onesearchad/used%2Cnearlynew%2Cnew/fuel-type/diesel/postcode/w39ej/make/jaguar?logcode=p (http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201312110467981/sort/default/usedcars/maximum-mileage/up_to_80000_miles/radius/1500/model/s-type/page/1/onesearchad/used%2Cnearlynew%2Cnew/fuel-type/diesel/postcode/w39ej/make/jaguar?logcode=p)
Good price and spec, shame about the looks.
Those seats dont look very supportive in that jag :-\
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Actually, edit, one of these:
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201312120497892/sort/default/usedcars/make/jaguar/radius/1500/onesearchad/used%2Cnearlynew%2Cnew/maximum-mileage/up_to_80000_miles/model/xf/postcode/w39ej/fuel-type/diesel/page/1?logcode=p (http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201312120497892/sort/default/usedcars/make/jaguar/radius/1500/onesearchad/used%2Cnearlynew%2Cnew/maximum-mileage/up_to_80000_miles/model/xf/postcode/w39ej/fuel-type/diesel/page/1?logcode=p)
Thats still got a shit load of depreciation left in it. And the lack of a proper gearbox may remove such a car from my list... ...maybe as a potential Omega replacement in a year or 2. Have to be careful with Jags, make sure it has no Ford drivetrain on it.
My neighbours Jag tractor was properly quick (for a £5k tractor), and went properly sideways in a very progressive, controllable way. Oddly, he hasn't let me try any of his current cars ::)
Bob had the S-Type, one of these?
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201312110467981/sort/default/usedcars/maximum-mileage/up_to_80000_miles/radius/1500/model/s-type/page/1/onesearchad/used%2Cnearlynew%2Cnew/fuel-type/diesel/postcode/w39ej/make/jaguar?logcode=p (http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201312110467981/sort/default/usedcars/maximum-mileage/up_to_80000_miles/radius/1500/model/s-type/page/1/onesearchad/used%2Cnearlynew%2Cnew/fuel-type/diesel/postcode/w39ej/make/jaguar?logcode=p)
Good price and spec, shame about the looks.
Nice enough for a smoky, oily derv drinker, but £1500 overpriced in my opinion. ::) ::) :-\
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Actually, edit, one of these:
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201312120497892/sort/default/usedcars/make/jaguar/radius/1500/onesearchad/used%2Cnearlynew%2Cnew/maximum-mileage/up_to_80000_miles/model/xf/postcode/w39ej/fuel-type/diesel/page/1?logcode=p (http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201312120497892/sort/default/usedcars/make/jaguar/radius/1500/onesearchad/used%2Cnearlynew%2Cnew/maximum-mileage/up_to_80000_miles/model/xf/postcode/w39ej/fuel-type/diesel/page/1?logcode=p)
Thats still got a shit load of depreciation left in it. And the lack of a proper gearbox may remove such a car from my list... ...maybe as a potential Omega replacement in a year or 2. Have to be careful with Jags, make sure it has no Ford drivetrain on it.
My neighbours Jag tractor was properly quick (for a £5k tractor), and went properly sideways in a very progressive, controllable way. Oddly, he hasn't let me try any of his current cars ::)
Bob had the S-Type, one of these?
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201312110467981/sort/default/usedcars/maximum-mileage/up_to_80000_miles/radius/1500/model/s-type/page/1/onesearchad/used%2Cnearlynew%2Cnew/fuel-type/diesel/postcode/w39ej/make/jaguar?logcode=p (http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201312110467981/sort/default/usedcars/maximum-mileage/up_to_80000_miles/radius/1500/model/s-type/page/1/onesearchad/used%2Cnearlynew%2Cnew/fuel-type/diesel/postcode/w39ej/make/jaguar?logcode=p)
Good price and spec, shame about the looks.
I agree on the looks as not an S type fan,but you can have an XJ with that motor for similar outlay :y
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Yeah I think it's worth shelling out a little more for XJ :)
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Yeah I think it's worth shelling out a little more for XJ :)
Agreed.......The XJ is more Cameron Diaz........The S-Type more Susan Boyle. :)
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Yeah I think it's worth shelling out a little more for XJ :)
Agreed.......The XJ is more Cameron Diaz........The S-Type more Susan Boyle. :)
;D ;D
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It's a shame that the X types have such a bad rep. :(
I've always fancied one of the AWD estate's, but the tales of hidden rust under the sill covers and transfer boxes made of chocolate put me right off! :-\ :(
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Actually, edit, one of these:
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201312120497892/sort/default/usedcars/make/jaguar/radius/1500/onesearchad/used%2Cnearlynew%2Cnew/maximum-mileage/up_to_80000_miles/model/xf/postcode/w39ej/fuel-type/diesel/page/1?logcode=p (http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201312120497892/sort/default/usedcars/make/jaguar/radius/1500/onesearchad/used%2Cnearlynew%2Cnew/maximum-mileage/up_to_80000_miles/model/xf/postcode/w39ej/fuel-type/diesel/page/1?logcode=p)
Thats still got a shit load of depreciation left in it. And the lack of a proper gearbox may remove such a car from my list... ...maybe as a potential Omega replacement in a year or 2. Have to be careful with Jags, make sure it has no Ford drivetrain on it.
My neighbours Jag tractor was properly quick (for a £5k tractor), and went properly sideways in a very progressive, controllable way. Oddly, he hasn't let me try any of his current cars ::)
That 2.7 oiler was a Ford/PSA collaboration,Citroen C6 and some of the larger Pugs had it as well :y
Yeah, with a ford gearbox. That's why it broke.
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I'm not as old as tunnie, so assume XJ is a no-no
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How much do you intend to spend?, Mr admin man.......£10,000.......£15,000......or £20,000?
I hope that you're not as tight with money as rumour suggests. :P :P :P
;D
Retro car or dull modern car ???
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How much do you intend to spend?, Mr admin man.......£10,000.......£15,000......or £20,000?
I hope that you're not as tight with money as rumour suggests. :P :P :P
;D
Retro car or dull modern car ???
Depends what you class as retro? Anything older than about 15yrs would have to be very, very, very special, and not capable of self destruction if left unused for periods.
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It's a shame that the X types have such a bad rep. :(
I've always fancied one of the AWD estate's, but the tales of hidden rust under the sill covers and transfer boxes made of chocolate put me right off! :-\ :(
I'd avoid one of these abortions like the plague, Sir Tig........unless you can source one for 99p like that well known 'tightwad' Mr Emd. :y :y
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It's a shame that the X types have such a bad rep. :(
I've always fancied one of the AWD estate's, but the tales of hidden rust under the sill covers and transfer boxes made of chocolate put me right off! :-\ :(
I'd avoid one of these abortions like the plague, Sir Tig........unless you can source one for 99p like that well known 'tightwad' Mr Emd. :y :y
Unfortunately the rust repairs would cost more than 99p
Ive been looking at a few classic cars , only thing that puts me off them is like what you say .. has to be reliable and wont fall to bits after a salt laden winter ???
I would use it all year round , no point in ownership if its just going to sit there :D
Only one that appeals is the SD1 or P6 but then this would be solid enough for a hash winter
Autotrader Rover (http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201310099200539/sort/default/usedcars/quicksearch/true/onesearchad/used%2Cnearlynew%2Cnew/model/3500/page/1/radius/1501/make/rover/postcode/nn171hu?logcode=p) :-*
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It's a shame that the X types have such a bad rep. :(
I've always fancied one of the AWD estate's, but the tales of hidden rust under the sill covers and transfer boxes made of chocolate put me right off! :-\ :(
I'd avoid one of these abortions like the plague, Sir Tig........unless you can source one for 99p like that well known 'tightwad' Mr Emd. :y :y
No I don't think I'll ever buy an X Type, but I do quite like the idea of a 4x4 estate. 8)
I guess the options are the Volvo, Audi or Subaru. :-\ Might give a Legacy a go one day. :)
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I've been looking at a few classic cars , only thing that puts me off them is like what you say .. has to be reliable and wont fall to bits after a salt laden winter ???
I would use it all year round , no point in ownership if its just going to sit there :D
Only one that appeals is the SD1 or P6 but then this would be solid enough for a hash winter
There's no reason why a classic car shouldn't be reliable for daily use, as that's what they were designed for! Pick one that is already in daily use, and you shouldn't have too many problems. Plus, they're easy and cheap to fix if anything does go wrong.
If you're looking at SD1 or P6, then six cylinder Triumphs are a good bet. A 2500 with overdrive is even decent on the motorway, has a nice interior, plenty of space and if you buy a good one and keep it that way is only likely to appreciate. Fuel economy is pretty much the same as an Omega and the other running costs are likely to be much lower. Although that's true of pretty much any classic these days.
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I could have been easily tempted by a newer car today when I was changing the lower arm balljoints on a 23 year old, 207k miles Merc 190. I feel like ive gone several rounds with Tyson tonight. ::) ;D
Still,should have 12 months ticket on it tomorrow. :)
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Can't believe what I've done but I just bought an eclass 300td - 1999 - reckon tb would be happy with something similar - ticks a lot of boxes.
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This would still get my vote.
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201310169311697/sort/default/usedcars/fuel-type/diesel/model/6/price-to/10000/onesearchad/used%2Cnearlynew%2Cnew/make/mazda/page/1/postcode/ig103tq/radius/200/maximum-mileage/up_to_50000_miles?logcode=p
Only other alternative would be a pre 2011 3 or 5 series, which just don't justify their money for me.