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Title: free country perhaps not
Post by: phil her up on 01 June 2008, 16:48:12
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1022428/Village-shopkeeper-threatened-arrest-warning-customers-approaching-traffic-wardens.html
Title: Re: free country perhaps not
Post by: psychnurse on 01 June 2008, 16:52:44
how sad is that??! I cant belive that, what is the world comming to
Title: Re: free country perhaps not
Post by: HolyCount on 01 June 2008, 16:53:05
Cheddar is a b*gg*r of a place to park in -- especially when full of grockles !!!  But to go for the shopkeeper is -- let's say "unjust" at the very least !
Title: Re: free country perhaps not
Post by: Richie London on 01 June 2008, 16:54:20
well look at the job titles now for people, a dustman is now an engineer  ;D ;D ;D ;D
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/article1189079.ece
Title: Re: free country perhaps not
Post by: psychnurse on 01 June 2008, 17:06:41
omg! I am saying nothing! my first job was as a 'service analyst production ink technical advisor'

I made up inks to the right colour for printing in a factory and got covered in shite every day!!! Enjoyed that jon though!
Title: Re: free country perhaps not
Post by: HolyCount on 01 June 2008, 17:08:05
My job title is easy ..... "Lazy B*gg*r"
Title: Re: free country perhaps not
Post by: psychnurse on 01 June 2008, 17:10:11
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My job title is easy ..... "Lazy B*gg*r"


Cool! I like the plain english approach lol!
Title: Re: free country perhaps not
Post by: HolyCount on 01 June 2008, 17:59:47
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My job title is easy ..... "Lazy B*gg*r"


Cool! I like the plain english approach lol!

One day I hope to be promoted to "Well Paid Lazy B*gg*r", but my boss has his feet firmly under that table !!!!!!
Title: Re: free country perhaps not
Post by: Richie London on 01 June 2008, 18:00:34
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-504788/Politically-correct-non-jobs-cost-taxpayer-600million-year.html
Title: Re: free country perhaps not
Post by: HolyCount on 01 June 2008, 18:17:26
"Jobs for the boys" as they say !!!   >:(
Title: Re: free country perhaps not
Post by: robbo299 on 01 June 2008, 20:20:17
What really bugs me about all this "renaming" of jobs is years ago to be called an Engineer or Technician really meant something. Today everybody, whatever their "real" job" tends to be classed as some sort of engineer or technician. I did an apprenticeship for 4 years and studied at college for 5 years to get my City & Guilds and supliments in Engineering. For a dustman to be called an "engineer" i tend to find insulting to me, and all the other Engineers/Tecnicians out there who have studied hard to get qualifications.  >:(Soory guys... rant over. :-[
Title: Re: free country perhaps not
Post by: psychnurse on 01 June 2008, 20:24:52
I do agree! I have studied for years to gain qualifications only to have others names and regarded as the same...... but.............. i will let it all wash over me!
Title: Re: free country perhaps not
Post by: theowletman on 01 June 2008, 20:32:44
Looks really busy outside her shop, a car parked there would be a menace, and oh my god what if it wasn't taxed? The SPG would have to be deployed, now if there was bad parking outside a school I would agree with the heavy handed approach, but this is just another example of wrong priorities by the plastic robots employed on the cheap.
Title: Re: free country perhaps not
Post by: Vamps on 01 June 2008, 20:36:22
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1022428/Village-shopkeeper-threatened-arrest-warning-customers-approaching-traffic-wardens.html

They will be saying next that it is ileagal for a mortorist to flash at another to warn them of a speeding trap. ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: free country perhaps not
Post by: Richie London on 01 June 2008, 20:38:06
i was an apprentice coppersmith, where i worked the estate was all engineering companies, i dont think theres any left there now, i go through it to get to my dads.
Title: Re: free country perhaps not
Post by: Debs. on 01 June 2008, 20:46:30
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1022428/Village-shopkeeper-threatened-arrest-warning-customers-approaching-traffic-wardens.html

They will be saying next that it is ileagal for a mortorist to flash at another to warn them of a speeding trap. ;D ;D ;D

 :o I believe it is illegal already; "Interfering with an officer in the course of his duty".

....Hotel 21 (or one of the other 'serving' OOF`ers) might be able to confirm it, but I think there are such 'catch-all' offences should a P.C take objection to any behaviour.
Title: Re: free country perhaps not
Post by: Vamps on 01 June 2008, 20:55:09
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1022428/Village-shopkeeper-threatened-arrest-warning-customers-approaching-traffic-wardens.html

They will be saying next that it is ileagal for a mortorist to flash at another to warn them of a speeding trap. ;D ;D ;D

 :o I believe it is illegal already; "Interfering with an officer in the course of his duty".

....Hotel 21 (or one of the other 'serving' OOF`ers) might be able to confirm it, but I think there are such 'catch-all' offences should a P.C take objection to any behaviour.


I know :-[ :-[ :-[ I was only kidding. ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: free country perhaps not
Post by: amigov6 on 01 June 2008, 21:11:36
Regarding the original post, this is rather outrageous. Why ca'nt the law just p*ss off, leave people alone? Sorry Broocie & other serving officers, i understand you have to enforce laws you may not agree with but this is ridiculous.
     Talk about bullies picking easy fights. >:(
Title: Re: free country perhaps not
Post by: Debs. on 01 June 2008, 21:17:36
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I know :-[ :-[ :-[ I was only kidding. ;D ;D ;D

Sorry Mike; 'foot in mouth' Debs. does it again  :-[.....forgive me for my over-earnesty please.  :-*
Title: Re: free country perhaps not
Post by: HolyCount on 01 June 2008, 22:10:39
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Regarding the original post, this is rather outrageous. Why ca'nt the law just p*ss off, leave people alone? Sorry Broocie & other serving officers, i understand you have to enforce laws you may not agree with but this is ridiculous.
     Talk about bullies picking easy fights. >:(

Unfortunately serving officers have to uphold the law, whether they find a particular application ridiculous or not. What seems to be different these days (from my "Heartbeat" days) is the removal of a great deal of discretion from those "at the coalface" and the imposition of ridiculous targets.

TBH the role of these PCSO's escapes me, they cost almost as much as a copper to train and employ -- why not have a real copper out there ( off the point of this thread, I know, .... but I am beginning to go off on a rant .... so will shut up now  :-X )
Title: Re: free country perhaps not
Post by: amigov6 on 01 June 2008, 22:37:24
I promised to stop ranting on here a while back & despite issues like this i think i've managed. Not always easy though!!!! >:( >:( >:(
Title: Re: free country perhaps not
Post by: Debs. on 01 June 2008, 22:39:20
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I promised to stop ranting on here a while back & despite issues like this i think i've managed. Not always easy though!!!! >:( >:( >:(

 ;) Maybe it`s my age, but all the rants I`ve read on OOF recently `made complete sense! ;D
Title: Re: free country perhaps not
Post by: HolyCount on 01 June 2008, 22:45:39
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I promised to stop ranting on here a while back & despite issues like this i think i've managed. Not always easy though!!!! >:( >:( >:(

 ;) Maybe it`s my age, but all the rants I`ve read on OOF recently `made complete sense! ;D

Trouble is, more and more often these days, I look into the mirror and see Victor Meldrew staring back !!!!!  :o
Title: Re: free country perhaps not
Post by: Vamps on 01 June 2008, 22:54:49
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I promised to stop ranting on here a while back & despite issues like this i think i've managed. Not always easy though!!!! >:( >:( >:(

 ;) Maybe it`s my age, but all the rants I`ve read on OOF recently `made complete sense! ;D

Trouble is, more and more often these days, I look into the mirror and see Victor Meldrew staring back !!!!!  :o

That's nothing, my Mum recently told me that I was begining to sould like my Dad, now I am worried. :D
Title: Re: free country perhaps not
Post by: jereboam on 01 June 2008, 22:55:41
Victor Meldrew was an easy-going wimp!
Title: Re: free country perhaps not
Post by: Omegaani on 01 June 2008, 23:13:31
A few years ago I stopped to help a copper who was in a dismal spot. It was raining after a storm and part of a tree had fallen into the road on a blind bend on a hill. He had the joy of controlling traffic around this hazard until the council clearance crew could be roused (it was a Sunday evening).

I sized up the task and reckoned I could clear it with the small wood saw I carry in the boot in case I end up with the car in a bush, or something. After some bloody hard work I cut through the thickest branches at key points and then the PC and I were able to drag the bits out of the road.

He was pretty grateful to be out of that situation so quickly and 'insisted' on taking some details to pass on to his superiors. Somewhere in a draw I have a letter of commendation from Leicestershire Constabulary thanking me for my assistance in releasing the officer for other duties.


Trouble is, nowadays I would most likely leave him standing there in the rain because those "other duties" could quite likely be gratuitously booking motorists for technical offences for the purposes of meeting targets and raising revenue. I'm afraid I don't have a lot of time for plod now. As others have observed they have become the equivalent of being the paramilitary wing of the Guardian newspaper; just another aspect of the great parasitical infestation of statism that is crippling this country.

When my car is vandalised it's "sorry, we don't come out for that" from a civilian filtering assistant. Yet they find plenty of time to sit in camera vans lurking on stretches of road that have ludicrously low speed limits, just to grab some dosh from the motorists' pockets. They're happy enough as an organisation to make themselves the enemy of the people who pay for their existence, so I've little sympathy for them.

Having a tough time officer? Sorry, I don't come out for that.  >:( :(
Title: Re: free country perhaps not
Post by: amigov6 on 01 June 2008, 23:34:10
I believe the Police's hands are tied on many of the said issues that annoy us civilians. I imagine most serving officers would like to be where we want them...on the street, that way they know who's who & can police properly. Todays problems are down to the PC brigade, slack parenting, too much paperwork/red tape etc. >:(
Title: Re: free country perhaps not
Post by: Omegaani on 01 June 2008, 23:45:16
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I believe the Police's hands are tied on many of the said issues that annoy us civilians.

The average "bobbies" maybe, but the police as an organisation (or organisations) is (are) now institutionally inclined to this kind of behaviour and perfectly happy about it.

You only have to look at that prat who is chief constable of North Wales for proof.

We should adopt the US system of having the people elect sheriffs and police chiefs, that way they can be kicked out when they start operating on behalf of minority sandalistas (leftie Guardian readers).
Title: Re: free country perhaps not
Post by: amigov6 on 01 June 2008, 23:54:02
I guess as new officers are recruited this will be be how they're taught to police. It gets worse & worse. We'll be told how to take a dump soon at this rate, but stabbing someone will only incur a small fine.
    Once again, easy pickings. :(
Title: Re: free country perhaps not
Post by: Omegaani on 02 June 2008, 01:11:56
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We'll be told how to take a dump soon at this rate...

We already are. The enviros have dictated how much water (new) lavatories in our homes can use in one flush (not much), and we are lumbered with pathetic examples that can't keep the stool under the water as we defacate. This results in unpleasant smells and streaks of faeces left above the water line. It actually takes more water to get rid of the waste with cleaning and multiple flushes than it did with older lavatories with higher water capacity.

The state is there in your home every time you take a dump, once again making life worse for you for no good reason on this earth.
Title: Re: free country perhaps not
Post by: JamesV6CDX on 02 June 2008, 01:45:10
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I'm afraid I don't have a lot of time for plod now.

I many cases mate I agree that the perception of the Police by the public can be very poor, and I genuinely understand a lot of the frustrations people face.

A prime example being the attempted break in we had here, while away for the weekend. Trying to get the police to check basic forensic stuff like printing around the lock that had been forced was like getting blood from a stone.

But ultimately, while things won't always go the way we want - I still feel we would be lost without the Police, and if you set aside Government drives and motives,  the majority of PCs/SPCs/PCSOs are good people who would be prepared to help you and I :y
Title: Re: free country perhaps not
Post by: Kevin Wood on 02 June 2008, 09:15:17
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We already are. The enviros have dictated how much water (new) lavatories in our homes can use in one flush (not much), and we are lumbered with pathetic examples that can't keep the stool under the water as we defacate. This results in unpleasant smells and streaks of faeces left above the water line. It actually takes more water to get rid of the waste with cleaning and multiple flushes than it did with older lavatories with higher water capacity.


Ahh, the "double flusher". :-[ Glad it's not just me. ::)

I can blame it on my cr@p modern toilet now.  ;D

Kevin
Title: Re: free country perhaps not
Post by: theowletman on 02 June 2008, 13:30:33
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I'm afraid I don't have a lot of time for plod now.

I many cases mate I agree that the perception of the Police by the public can be very poor, and I genuinely understand a lot of the frustrations people face.

A prime example being the attempted break in we had here, while away for the weekend. Trying to get the police to check basic forensic stuff like printing around the lock that had been forced was like getting blood from a stone.

But ultimately, while things won't always go the way we want - I still feel we would be lost without the Police, and if you set aside Government drives and motives,  the majority of PCs/SPCs/PCSOs are good people who would be prepared to help you and I :y
I totally agree. Problem is the serving officers are allowing this to happen. They are quick to let their feelings be known if their pay rise isn't big enough but do little to do the job in ways that they would find more effective. They believe that the little experience, university educated, fast track senior officers know best.
Title: Re: free country perhaps not
Post by: JamesV6CDX on 02 June 2008, 13:32:40
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They believe that the little experience, university educated, fast track senior officers know best.

Thing is, the Police is a Disciplined force, so a Constable will naturally follow the orders of his seniors...

Possibly that criticism may be more deserved by members higher up in Government?
Title: Re: free country perhaps not
Post by: JamesV6CDX on 02 June 2008, 13:36:09
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They are quick to let their feelings be known if their pay rise isn't big enough but do little to do the job in ways that they would find more effective

You can't tar all Police with that rod though... remember not all Police officers recieve financial payments for their work, some have other motives or reasons for being a Police Officer :y

Title: Re: free country perhaps not
Post by: Kevin Wood on 02 June 2008, 13:44:47
I heard the other day that a couple of chief constables have decided to bin their government targets and revert to allowing common sense and officer's discretion determine their policies. Let's hope it spreads not only throughout the Police but the NHS, Schools, etc, etc..

About time people realised that Whitehall is full of people who are experts at getting people to vote for them and nothing else.

Kevin