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Title: Don't be nasty!!
Post by: Vamps on 02 January 2014, 20:13:06
Test drove this today..............

http://www.evanshalshaw.com/vehiclesearch/used/citroen-used-car-ng10hcu.html

But think I want to buy this one.........

http://www.evanshalshaw.com/vehiclesearch/used/citroen-used-car-ku60akg.html

I am waiting for a price on the Jeep as PX

I have had a Grand Picasso before for 3 and half years and loved it, Like the Jeep but fuel costs running around town every day are beginning to bite...... :( :(
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Post by: dbug on 02 January 2014, 20:27:55
Each to their own Mike  :o
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Post by: MR MISTER on 02 January 2014, 20:54:41
That's a cracking price, Mike, and they're a nice looking car with plenty of toys.
Have a read up about the auto box, iirc, that's what put me off.
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Post by: 2boxerdogs on 02 January 2014, 21:03:31
Don't do it, no if that's what you need fair enough , not my cup of tea though.
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Post by: Dan282 on 02 January 2014, 21:05:40
My aunti has had one for 4 years and it hasn't missed a beat. My opinion at first wasn't great but can't fault it nor the dealers. It's a diesel auto but not sure of the spec. It's got the odd creak and rattle now but reliability wise it's been excellent.
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Post by: Sir Tigger KC on 02 January 2014, 21:12:00
Have you thought about a Daewoo Vamps?  :)
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Post by: omega3000 on 02 January 2014, 21:18:46
Looks practical enough if thats what your after  :D Not sure i like those offset dials though  :-\
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Post by: Vamps on 02 January 2014, 21:40:00
That's a cracking price, Mike, and they're a nice looking car with plenty of toys.
Have a read up about the auto box, iirc, that's what put me off.

My last one was an Auto, not really an auto, paddle shift or auto clutch, drive differently to a true auto................... :y :y
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Post by: Andy B on 02 January 2014, 21:48:04
That's a cracking price, Mike, and they're a nice looking car with plenty of toys.
Have a read up about the auto box, iirc, that's what put me off.

My last one was an Auto, not really an auto, paddle shift or auto clutch, drive differently to a true auto................... :y :y

The Citroen C3 SWMBO got for Christmas  ::) is a proper torque converter 4 speed auto. Citroen's automated manual doesn't seem to get very good reviews.

FIL has the C4 Grand Picasso in the same dog turd brown as the first car you linked to, that's an automated manual & as a passenger the shifts seem awful!  ???
Title: Re: Don't be nasty!!
Post by: Vamps on 02 January 2014, 21:53:03
That's a cracking price, Mike, and they're a nice looking car with plenty of toys.
Have a read up about the auto box, iirc, that's what put me off.

My last one was an Auto, not really an auto, paddle shift or auto clutch, drive differently to a true auto................... :y :y

The Citroen C3 SWMBO got for Christmas  ::) is a proper torque converter 4 speed auto. Citroen's automated manual doesn't seem to get very good reviews.

FIL has the C4 Grand Picasso in the same dog turd brown as the first car you linked to, that's an automated manual & as a passenger the shifts seem awful!  ???

It's like any semi auto, lift off a bit before an up change and all will be nice and smooth, not a problem going down...... ;) ;) :y

I also like the C3 Grand Picasso but few and far between in auto...... :( :(
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Post by: tunnie on 02 January 2014, 22:07:58
Blimey those are good value, low miles, practically brand new!

I'd be concerned about the autos, manual be a better bet. Let us know how you get on  :y
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Post by: Andy B on 02 January 2014, 22:15:42
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It's like any semi auto, lift off a bit before an up change and all will be nice and smooth, not a problem going down...... ;) ;) :y
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It's slow speed manoeuvring I find they struggle, the all singing all dancing VW DSG is no better
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Post by: Vamps on 02 January 2014, 22:36:35
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It's like any semi auto, lift off a bit before an up change and all will be nice and smooth, not a problem going down...... ;) ;) :y
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It's slow speed manoeuvring I find they struggle, the all singing all dancing VW DSG is no better

I think that is because there is no creep.......... :( At work I come out of my parking space, down a short row, all in reverse before maneuvering to drive away. almost all in creep as space is very tight........ ;) ;)

No problem with doing a hill start with the Citroen, undo the handbrake by driving off, or do it manually..... :y

Without a PX figure I can't fully do the math, but a Citroen should save me £40+ per week in fuel........ :y :y

The counter argument is that £5k or more will buy me a lot of fuel for the Jeep....... ::) :-\ ::)
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Post by: Kevin Wood on 02 January 2014, 23:01:17
Blimey those are good value, low miles, practically brand new!

That's because they're made by tupperware. :-X
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Post by: chrisgixer on 02 January 2014, 23:07:01
Yeah, but very nice Tupperware. :-X
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Post by: Vamps on 02 January 2014, 23:10:06
Blimey those are good value, low miles, practically brand new!

That's because they're made by tupperware. :-X

Oi, looked at Vx Mummy Bus, poor on mpg, give me something that will do high 40's running around mid 50's+ on a run and I will give it some consideration, 7 seats suits my future plans to keep an eye on Miss Vamps, she has already OK'ed it...... ;) ;) :y
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Post by: Andy B on 02 January 2014, 23:26:14
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No problem with doing a hill start with the Citroen, undo the handbrake by driving off, or do it manually..... :y
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SWMBO's C3 has a conventional handbrake ............ anyway, hill starts in any auto are a piece of cake if you use 2 feet  ::) ::)
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Post by: Vamps on 02 January 2014, 23:32:18
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No problem with doing a hill start with the Citroen, undo the handbrake by driving off, or do it manually..... :y
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SWMBO's C3 has a conventional handbrake ............ anyway, hill starts in any auto are a piece of cake if you use 2 feet  ::) ::)

Howay Andy, with a real auto and creep you dont need both feet, a real auto driver never use 2 feet anyway, why would you?.............. ;) ;)
Title: Re: Don't be nasty!!
Post by: ronnyd on 03 January 2014, 09:56:02
Hasn,t it been said both on here and also on various consumer TV progs that Evans Halshaw have very poor
customer and after sales service? ??? Just something else to consider, just be wary. :y
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Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 03 January 2014, 10:21:19
No good for you Vamps, you stated town drivng and as of 2009 (with some before this) they have a DPF (and the wanky Eolys additive tank which has to be refilled at 70-80k.....if its not split and leaked like many seem to!).

Run that around town and the DPF will go for a burton.

Not nearly enough bhp for me personaly and Citroens tend to fall off cliff around 6 years old relaibility wise.
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Post by: Andy B on 03 January 2014, 10:53:54
.....(and the wanky Eolys additive tank which has to be refilled at 70-80k.....if its not split and leaked like many seem to!).
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The lad across the road does foriegners at home. He was filling this tank the other day on a mate's/cutsomer's Citroen/Peugeot ....... it cost him £100 trade for the additive  ???
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Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 03 January 2014, 10:59:18
Yes and hes lucky as pretty much every one I have seen has a split tank and is leaking (the additive sits inside a crappy plastic housing in the wheel arch inside which is a bag with the goo in it).

The additive lowers the required regen temp by about 50 deg C, no additive and the regen does not work properly (if at all)....
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Post by: Webby the Bear on 03 January 2014, 13:36:50
I would never touch French cars. I've now worked on a loada Frenchies. Utter rubbish.
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Post by: andrew-v8 on 03 January 2014, 14:55:31
Just budget for a new turbo in near future.
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Post by: MR MISTER on 03 January 2014, 15:29:19
Just budget for a new turbo in near future.
Turbo?
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Post by: andrew-v8 on 03 January 2014, 16:02:01
The PSA 1.6 diesel have turbo issues whatever vehicle they are fitted to. All fords/volvo/citroen fitted with this engine suffer the same problem.
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Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 03 January 2014, 16:24:22
http://www.turbodynamics.co.uk/technical/understanding-turbochargers/critical-instructions-psa-16-hdi-turbochargers/

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Post by: MR MISTER on 03 January 2014, 16:28:01
The PSA 1.6 diesel have turbo issues whatever vehicle they are fitted to. All fords/volvo/citroen fitted with this engine suffer the same problem.
I do beg your pardon, Andrew, I was convinced it was a petrol. Teach me to read the thread properly.  :-[
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Post by: omega3000 on 03 January 2014, 17:04:56
I would never touch French cars. I've now worked on a loada Frenchies. Utter rubbish.

Certainly older french cars are not the best  :( By the sounds of it newer ones not much better  :D
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Post by: Sir Tigger KC on 03 January 2014, 17:56:13
I think I'd be hesitant at buying any modern diesel with a DPF filter.  My mate has just had to get a new one on his Focus and it cost £800!!  :o  :'(
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Post by: MR MISTER on 03 January 2014, 18:27:17
I think I'd be hesitant at buying any modern diesel with a DPF filter.  My mate has just had to get a new one on his Focus and it cost £800!!  :o  :'(
Yep. I won't even consider a diesel because I mainly do short runs. Shame really, but I think a lot of people who would consider one have been put off.
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Post by: Nick W on 03 January 2014, 18:28:22
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It's like any semi auto, lift off a bit before an up change and all will be nice and smooth, not a problem going down...... ;) ;) :y
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It's slow speed maneuvering I find they struggle, the all singing all dancing VW DSG is no better

You should try an automated-manual Sprinter. They drive appallingly, as if the engine, gearbox and axle are each connected with rubber gears. And they kill clutches in no time.

And DSG is a typically German solution to a problem that didn't exist. Two gearboxes in one case for an faster shift? What was wrong with an updated/electronically controlled pre-selector gearbox? That were readily available 80years ago!
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Post by: tunnie on 03 January 2014, 18:29:37
I think I'd be hesitant at buying any modern diesel with a DPF filter.  My mate has just had to get a new one on his Focus and it cost £800!!  :o  :'(

It is a concern, repair like that & bam all your fuel savings have gone  :o
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Post by: Nick W on 03 January 2014, 18:42:31
I think I'd be hesitant at buying any modern diesel with a DPF filter.  My mate has just had to get a new one on his Focus and it cost £800!!  :o  :'(

It is a concern, repair like that & bam all your fuel savings have gone  :o


Don't forget that injectors or a turbo are equally likely, and cost even more. Or, you could have all three, which does happen. How about a clutch/DMF/starter motor as well? This is why respectable TDCi Mondeos are out there for under £500
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Post by: Vamps on 03 January 2014, 18:49:06
I think I'd be hesitant at buying any modern diesel with a DPF filter.  My mate has just had to get a new one on his Focus and it cost £800!!  :o  :'(

It is a concern, repair like that & bam all your fuel savings have gone  :o


Don't forget that injectors or a turbo are equally likely, and cost even more. Or, you could have all three, which does happen. How about a clutch/DMF/starter motor as well? This is why respectable TDCi Mondeos are out there for under £500

But I already drive a turbo diesel, now with 93 thousand miles on it, got some prices to mull over, remaining.................... :-\ :-\ :-\
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Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 03 January 2014, 19:22:50
Yes but its not a euro 4 compliant one :y
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Post by: biggriffin on 03 January 2014, 19:47:51
Don't think Mr vamps is going to be going into mr Johnson manor "lez" so why worry about euro 4 let alone 3,2,or 1. And all the other big conurbations eg Birmingham,Manchester etc are just waffling about it,due to the cost of cameras and use of the data base.
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Post by: Kevin Wood on 03 January 2014, 19:49:26
No good for you Vamps, you stated town drivng and as of 2009 (with some before this) they have a DPF (and the wanky Eolys additive tank which has to be refilled at 70-80k.....if its not split and leaked like many seem to!).

Run that around town and the DPF will go for a burton.

Based on the one my colleague's wife had, it would have melted most of the electrics long before any DPF issues surfaced.

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Not nearly enough bhp for me personaly and Citroens tend to fall off cliff around 6 years old relaibility wise.

Not sure if this one made 6 years before he was desperate to offload it at any cost. Not just the unreliability, but, when something fairly commonplace does go wrong (and there was plenty of that) it seemed to be off the road for 2 weeks before the part arrived. We're talking parts like PAS pumps which really ought to be next day, surely? Utter, utter rubbish. If they were the last car in the world, I think I'd walk.  ::)
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Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 03 January 2014, 19:50:52
Because he currently has a euro 3 compliant engine which is basic and has no dpf, the ones he's looking at are euro 4 compliant and more complex with dpf. Hence the short journeys will give issues he's not currently used to  :y

Trying to warn of the issues and advise that modern diesels are only well suited to regular longer runs
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Post by: biggriffin on 03 January 2014, 19:58:56
Whoops. Must read more carefully, will agree with you 100% on that,short journeys will just kill a dpf filter in short order,lots of small diesel granny cars starting to suffer now,its a nice little earner for the dishonest exhaust trade :(
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Post by: 05omegav6 on 03 January 2014, 20:49:54
And there was me thinking my next car might be diseasel :-\ DPFs and fuel system issues are nagging doubts... especially given as it needs to be less than five years old :-\

Another big lazy petrol might still be the way forward :-\
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Post by: Vamps on 03 January 2014, 20:53:21
http://www.sherwoodsgroup.co.uk/Used-Car-Details/used-chevrolet-aveo-ltz-14i-16v-5dr-auto-hatchback-ice-silver-metallic-automatic-petrol-ID_2563.aspx ...........?
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Post by: Sir Tigger KC on 03 January 2014, 20:56:09
Another Daewoo!!  8)  We'll have to change the name of this place to DOF!  ;D


I quite like the look of that to be honest!  :)
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Post by: chrisgixer on 03 January 2014, 21:11:36
And there was me thinking my next car might be diseasel :-\ DPFs and fuel system issues are nagging doubts... especially given as it needs to be less than five years old :-\

Another big lazy petrol might still be the way forward :-\
Neighbours e39 educated me on diseasels. A series of pumps in line to achieve massive fuel pressure to achieve atomisation(?) from the injectors. Each pump is very expensive, as are the injectors as expensive as they are enormous. All to cope with almost 4,500psi fuel pressure.

Now turn that pressure on and off at speeds up to 6000rpm and the shock waves that causes through the system. Like my pipes in my house, turn a tap on and off and it bangs with the water pressure as they are loose in the boxing.Now do that at X000 times a minute and it becomes clear why diesels are such horribly noisy things, very expensive to make them quiet and sellable.
 
They may do 600miles to the tank, but what's saved in mileage is lost in up keep or selling on to buy new(er).

Add in turbos and dpf's and that tips the scales back to petrol and lpg for me. Unless your doing massive miles a day of course. ;)

As a family run about. Nah! Don't think so.
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Post by: 05omegav6 on 03 January 2014, 22:05:09
Trouble with the miles I do is that most are stop/start short blasts around town, about the most efficient way to destroy a DPF...
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Post by: Vamps on 03 January 2014, 22:31:53
Trouble with the miles I do is that most are stop/start short blasts around town, about the most efficient way to destroy a DPF...

I still do a 12 mile each way commute and not all work miles will be town centre, I cover the whole Borough (County to some)  Had one before and did 45k miles in 3 and hal years without anything but servicing........ ;)
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Post by: henryd on 03 January 2014, 22:38:55
Trouble with the miles I do is that most are stop/start short blasts around town, about the most efficient way to destroy a DPF...

I still do a 12 mile each way commute and not all work miles will be town centre, I cover the whole Borough (County to some)  Had one before and did 45k miles in 3 and hal years without anything but servicing........ ;)

it probably wasn't Dpf'd,Mark is right with his warnings,diesels are no longer any good for urban use :(
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Post by: Andy B on 03 January 2014, 23:46:16
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They may do 600miles to the tank,  ....

I wish!  ::) ::) ::)
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Post by: chrisgixer on 03 January 2014, 23:54:51
Trouble with the miles I do is that most are stop/start short blasts around town, about the most efficient way to destroy a DPF...

I still do a 12 mile each way commute and not all work miles will be town centre, I cover the whole Borough (County to some)  Had one before and did 45k miles in 3 and hal years without anything but servicing........ ;)

it probably wasn't Dpf'd,Mark is right with his warnings,diesels are no longer any good for urban use :(

I suggestion for the word filter there I reckon. Oh that's Dpf'd. ;D
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Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 04 January 2014, 12:55:44
Trouble with the miles I do is that most are stop/start short blasts around town, about the most efficient way to destroy a DPF...

I still do a 12 mile each way commute and not all work miles will be town centre, I cover the whole Borough (County to some)  Had one before and did 45k miles in 3 and hal years without anything but servicing........ ;)

it probably wasn't Dpf'd,Mark is right with his warnings,diesels are no longer any good for urban use :(


Surely this is a major design flaw, that older derv drinkers didn't suffer from.

A backward step in my opinion.

As I don't lust after a taxi, bus or lorry, I've absolutely no desire to own an oil burner.......especially the new breed with this DPF shit.
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Post by: 05omegav6 on 04 January 2014, 13:04:47
Trouble with the miles I do is that most are stop/start short blasts around town, about the most efficient way to destroy a DPF...

I still do a 12 mile each way commute and not all work miles will be town centre, I cover the whole Borough (County to some)  Had one before and did 45k miles in 3 and hal years without anything but servicing........ ;)

it probably wasn't Dpf'd,Mark is right with his warnings,diesels are no longer any good for urban use :(


Surely this is a major design flaw, that older derv drinkers didn't suffer from.

A backward step in my opinion.

As I don't lust after a taxi, bus or lorry, I've absolutely no desire to own an oil burner.......especially the new breed with this DPF shit.
Not even suitable for that any more imho  :-\
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Post by: Rods2 on 04 January 2014, 16:53:05
Having seen some of the large bills that several diesel owners have recently had, I've come to the conclusion that petrol / LPG is the way to go for the cheapest running costs, where £1000, £2000 and up to £3000 in diesel repair bills pays for the conversion kit and buys an awful lot of LPG.  :y :y :y :y