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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: Dazzler on 28 May 2008, 21:16:34
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Shall i LPG my Omega??
Its a 1999 2.5 Elite with 122k
I do about £50 a week on fuel.
It makes financial sense over the course of a year, but is the milegae a bit high to be spending this kind of money on :-/
Any opinions, advise much appreciated.
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basic maths.
£50 x 52 weeks = £2,600
LPG saves around 50% of fuel costs, LPG is 59p a litre at the BP here, petrol is £1.15 a litre.
MPG is lower on gas but only slighly.
So you would save £1,300 a year on LPG.
Cost to fit? Sweet talk James and it can be done for around £700 DIY fit.
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all depends on how long you intend on keeping car for and what sort of state its in bud ! ::)
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I would ---- if new tax rules come in you aren't going to get a much younger vehicle and stay in sensible (ish) tax brackets -- so it will make the car more economical.
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Pretty much the same situation as me... I'm hoping to do it before the end of the summer!
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i am also contenplating fitting it on my new 99 mv6 est !! :-/ :-/
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i think i would personally only ever fit LPG to a Omega estate.
Because you can fit a doughnut in the spare wheel, and not a huge tank taking up half the boot in a saloon.
You loose a lot of boot space, and means you cannot put the seats down for large loads, which i have done quite often.
Estate, you get the benifits of LPG with none of the draw backs.
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thats my line of thinking bud !! :y
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I have asked myself the same question several times recently.1998 2.5 auto with 105k.I drive approx 750 miles each week and it hurts spending on average £1=00 for 6 miles driven.Trouble is I need the entire boot space and wouldn,t drive another car( maybe a 1999 omega) so it,s the price we have to pay.
LPG conversion is good financial sense if you are planning on keeping the car for another year +,but by then LPG might be £1=00 a litre ??
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i think i would personally only ever fit LPG to a Omega estate.
Because you can fit a doughnut in the spare wheel, and not a huge tank taking up half the boot in a saloon.
You loose a lot of boot space, and means you cannot put the seats down for large loads, which i have done quite often.
Estate, you get the benifits of LPG with none of the draw backs.
That was my thinking Tunnie, but never found a really good estate yet. If i done it i would have to keep this car for at least 12 months to make it worth while :-/
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i think i would personally only ever fit LPG to a Omega estate.
Because you can fit a doughnut in the spare wheel, and not a huge tank taking up half the boot in a saloon.
You loose a lot of boot space, and means you cannot put the seats down for large loads, which i have done quite often.
Estate, you get the benifits of LPG with none of the draw backs.
That's the dilemma I had to think about. In the end i decided i can hire a lot of trailers at £20 a day, if i can't borrow one, for the savings! At the end of the day the boot is huge, so after fitting the tank it'll still be large enough for most occasions! :y :y
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If lpg hits £1/l then i dread to think of the petrol price. I believe the maximum reduction in the duty between petrol and lpg is 1p per year art per the governments pledge to use greener fuels.
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i think i would personally only ever fit LPG to a Omega estate.
Because you can fit a doughnut in the spare wheel, and not a huge tank taking up half the boot in a saloon.
You loose a lot of boot space, and means you cannot put the seats down for large loads, which i have done quite often.
Estate, you get the benifits of LPG with none of the draw backs.
That was my thinking Tunnie, but never found a really good estate yet. If i done it i would have to keep this car for at least 12 months to make it worth while :-/
Don't forget -- the way petrol is going an LPG converted car is going to hold its price better IMO
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In simple terms .. my running costs on fuel have dropped from 23 pence /mile to 12 pence /mile.
:)
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my gold elite had done 145,000 when we did the conversion, Daz yours is still a young 'un in comparison
As for the boot space lost, i don't notice it, but then i don't do long loads often, and if i do then i borrow a friends galaxy
Mine is nearly done and i am looking forward to getting back to paying sensible amounts for my fuel, this £1.15 per litre malarkey is killing me!!!!!
£700 buys you the kit, a few weekends will have it fitted, hell if i am still up here mate i would happily pop over and lend a hand (i am only here until 27th june)
I sold my Elite with 155,000 miles on it and got 2K, that was well over what the nearest petrol only car was selling for, i had people practically fighting over it, why? LPG conversion and luxuary, trust me if the car is well looked after , you wont lose on it :y
People only look at the conversion cost V's the running cost, dont forget it will an easier car to move on when that time comes
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i bought my car in january, then converted to LPG just days before i found out about the new tax costs, if i'd known sooner i wouldnt have bothered, would have gone for a slightly older car
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i bought my car in january, then converted to LPG just days before i found out about the new tax costs, if i'd known sooner i wouldnt have bothered, would have gone for a slightly older car
a fair point there Danny and the unfortunate thing i you weren't to know the governments plans.
i still think converting yours was a good move, you will find it easier to move on and get better money for it as well
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will probably lose the same as i would have without LPG though
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Having played with LPG wagons before, I bit the guys hand off to get a 1999 2.5V6 saloon ready converted at a massive £1000. Even if it only lasts me a year I can move the kit on with just a few bits of hose or whatever so essentially paid less than £500 for the car itself.
With LPG being 60p per litre cheaper than unleaded, it doesn't take much mileage to make it an obvious choice and as has been said, it will make it easy to move on if you choose to sell.
I was worried with my first that I would struggle to get LPG when I needed it but in the past year or so it seems like every third or fourth garage now has a pump.
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i think i would personally only ever fit LPG to a Omega estate.
Because you can fit a doughnut in the spare wheel, and not a huge tank taking up half the boot in a saloon.
You loose a lot of boot space, and means you cannot put the seats down for large loads, which i have done quite often.
Estate, you get the benifits of LPG with none of the draw backs.
I've given this a lot of thought over the last few months and come to the conclusion that a spare wheel tank in either a saloon or estate is too small to give sensible range on a V6.
It worked out nicely on Marie's 2.0 but you'd be looking at well under 200 miles range with a V6. If you're doing enough mileage to justify LPG that's going to be a pain in the neck.
My boot is empty 99.9% of the time, as are the back seats if I'm pushed for space. Granted that's different if your family circumstances differ to mine but I'll be going for a cylinder.
I'd say the payback is so quick at the moment that unless the car's on its' last legs a DIY conversion is always worthwhile. It's a different set of figures for a decent professional fit though...
Kevin
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Looks like i will be looking around for a kit then.
Jay, have you got your contact details for the place that supplied yours please?
How much maintainence does the LPG system need, as i keep reading on here about people having running issues with it??
Once i have it 90% fitted i will need someone to do the injectors and set up the system as i really do not have a clue :-/
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Looks like i will be looking around for a kit then.
Jay, have you got your contact details for the place that supplied yours please?
How much maintainence does the LPG system need, as i keep reading on here about people having running issues with it??
Once i have it 90% fitted i will need someone to do the injectors and set up the system as i really do not have a clue :-/
Speak to Jeremy on 07830302988. He doesn't seem to have items on ebay at the moment but he's very helpful on the phone. Mention OOF. :y
Maintenance wise, there's a vapour filter to change. No more bother than a fuel filter really. The vapouriser can benefit from being cleaned out every couple of years. Other than that, it shouldn't really need any maintenance. All the bits on the kits Jeremy sells are serviceable so you can rebuild the injectors if you have a problem, for example.
Edited to say: I'm happy to help with drilling manifolds, electrics, etc. It gets easier after doing a couple.
Kevin
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Looks like i will be looking around for a kit then.
Jay, have you got your contact details for the place that supplied yours please?
How much maintainence does the LPG system need, as i keep reading on here about people having running issues with it??
Once i have it 90% fitted i will need someone to do the injectors and set up the system as i really do not have a clue :-/
Speak to Jeremy on 07830302988. He doesn't seem to have items on ebay at the moment but he's very helpful on the phone. Mention OOF. :y
Maintenance wise, there's a vapour filter to change. No more bother than a fuel filter really. The vapouriser can benefit from being cleaned out every couple of years. Other than that, it shouldn't really need any maintenance. All the bits on the kits Jeremy sells are serviceable so you can rebuild the injectors if you have a problem, for example.
Edited to say: I'm happy to help with drilling manifolds, electrics, etc. It gets easier after doing a couple.
Kevin
Thanks Kevin, i will give him a call and have a chat ;)
My only trouble with doing this is that i will need to leave the car serviceable after each stage as its my only car :(
Would the manifold work etc..be able to be done in a day??
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Im thinking of having a twin tank system in my estate, a tank in the spare wheel well and a removable tank in the load space. I would have to fit the tank in the load area permanently to get the certificate and then alter the tank to allow me to remove it when I want all the load space.
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Im thinking of having a twin tank system in my estate, a tank in the spare wheel well and a removable tank in the load space. I would have to fit the tank in the load area permanently to get the certificate and then alter the tank to allow me to remove it when I want all the load space.
Thats a point where would i get a certificate from when its all finished :-/
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Looks like i will be looking around for a kit then.
Jay, have you got your contact details for the place that supplied yours please?
How much maintainence does the LPG system need, as i keep reading on here about people having running issues with it??
Once i have it 90% fitted i will need someone to do the injectors and set up the system as i really do not have a clue :-/
Speak to Jeremy on 07830302988. He doesn't seem to have items on ebay at the moment but he's very helpful on the phone. Mention OOF. :y
Maintenance wise, there's a vapour filter to change. No more bother than a fuel filter really. The vapouriser can benefit from being cleaned out every couple of years. Other than that, it shouldn't really need any maintenance. All the bits on the kits Jeremy sells are serviceable so you can rebuild the injectors if you have a problem, for example.
Edited to say: I'm happy to help with drilling manifolds, electrics, etc. It gets easier after doing a couple.
Kevin
Thanks Kevin, i will give him a call and have a chat ;)
My only trouble with doing this is that i will need to leave the car serviceable after each stage as its my only car :(
Would the manifold work etc..be able to be done in a day??
that's not an issue, just about all of it can be done in a modular basis, i would suggest getting a spare inlet manifold and drilling that, this makes the whole process a lot easier and means the car is off the road even less.
I am sure i will have a spare manifold knocking around at the end of the my conversion ;)
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Looks like i will be looking around for a kit then.
Jay, have you got your contact details for the place that supplied yours please?
How much maintainence does the LPG system need, as i keep reading on here about people having running issues with it??
Once i have it 90% fitted i will need someone to do the injectors and set up the system as i really do not have a clue :-/
Speak to Jeremy on 07830302988. He doesn't seem to have items on ebay at the moment but he's very helpful on the phone. Mention OOF. :y
Maintenance wise, there's a vapour filter to change. No more bother than a fuel filter really. The vapouriser can benefit from being cleaned out every couple of years. Other than that, it shouldn't really need any maintenance. All the bits on the kits Jeremy sells are serviceable so you can rebuild the injectors if you have a problem, for example.
Edited to say: I'm happy to help with drilling manifolds, electrics, etc. It gets easier after doing a couple.
Kevin
Thanks Kevin, i will give him a call and have a chat ;)
My only trouble with doing this is that i will need to leave the car serviceable after each stage as its my only car :(
Would the manifold work etc..be able to be done in a day??
that's not an issue, just about all of it can be done in a modular basis, i would suggest getting a spare inlet manifold and drilling that, this makes the whole process a lot easier and means the car is off the road even less.
I am sure i will have a spare manifold knocking around at the end of the my conversion ;)
Can we pass it around, so to speak... I was thinking of doing the same thing. Have it on an exchange basis!!! :-? :-? :-? :y :y :y
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Im thinking of having a twin tank system in my estate, a tank in the spare wheel well and a removable tank in the load space. I would have to fit the tank in the load area permanently to get the certificate and then alter the tank to allow me to remove it when I want all the load space.
Thats a point where would i get a certificate from when its all finished :-/
Any LPGA approved fitter should certify it, for a price!!! I know I can get it checked and certified in Cambridge for around the £50 mark.
Pete, be careful If you go down that route... If you have an accident your insurance company will see that as a way out!!!
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Looks like i will be looking around for a kit then.
Jay, have you got your contact details for the place that supplied yours please?
How much maintainence does the LPG system need, as i keep reading on here about people having running issues with it??
Once i have it 90% fitted i will need someone to do the injectors and set up the system as i really do not have a clue :-/
Speak to Jeremy on 07830302988. He doesn't seem to have items on ebay at the moment but he's very helpful on the phone. Mention OOF. :y
Maintenance wise, there's a vapour filter to change. No more bother than a fuel filter really. The vapouriser can benefit from being cleaned out every couple of years. Other than that, it shouldn't really need any maintenance. All the bits on the kits Jeremy sells are serviceable so you can rebuild the injectors if you have a problem, for example.
Edited to say: I'm happy to help with drilling manifolds, electrics, etc. It gets easier after doing a couple.
Kevin
Thanks Kevin, i will give him a call and have a chat ;)
My only trouble with doing this is that i will need to leave the car serviceable after each stage as its my only car :(
Would the manifold work etc..be able to be done in a day??
that's not an issue, just about all of it can be done in a modular basis, i would suggest getting a spare inlet manifold and drilling that, this makes the whole process a lot easier and means the car is off the road even less.
I am sure i will have a spare manifold knocking around at the end of the my conversion ;)
Can we pass it around, so to speak... I was thinking of doing the same thing. Have it on an exchange basis!!! :-? :-? :-? :y :y :y
Not a bad idea as long as they are all the same for all the V6's ;)
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Im thinking of having a twin tank system in my estate, a tank in the spare wheel well and a removable tank in the load space. I would have to fit the tank in the load area permanently to get the certificate and then alter the tank to allow me to remove it when I want all the load space.
Thats a point where would i get a certificate from when its all finished :-/
Any LPGA approved fitter should certify it, for a price!!! I know I can get it checked and certified in Cambridge for around the £50 mark.
Pete, be careful If you go down that route... If you have an accident your insurance company will see that as a way out!!!
What insurance ;D
Only joking ;)
Ive considered that and will have to way up the options
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i think i would personally only ever fit LPG to a Omega estate.
Because you can fit a doughnut in the spare wheel, and not a huge tank taking up half the boot in a saloon.
You loose a lot of boot space, and means you cannot put the seats down for large loads, which i have done quite often.
Estate, you get the benifits of LPG with none of the draw backs.
I've given this a lot of thought over the last few months and come to the conclusion that a spare wheel tank in either a saloon or estate is too small to give sensible range on a V6.
It worked out nicely on Marie's 2.0 but you'd be looking at well under 200 miles range with a V6. If you're doing enough mileage to justify LPG that's going to be a pain in the neck.
My boot is empty 99.9% of the time, as are the back seats if I'm pushed for space. Granted that's different if your family circumstances differ to mine but I'll be going for a cylinder.
I'd say the payback is so quick at the moment that unless the car's on its' last legs a DIY conversion is always worthwhile. It's a different set of figures for a decent professional fit though...
Kevin
If Kevin Wood spends time on LPG onversion plans this means its inevitable for me ;D :y
However here with twice the original conversion cost (1500 £ * 2 )
I can get a already converted second hand small car..Which is also good for my wife.. :-/
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Im thinking of having a twin tank system in my estate, a tank in the spare wheel well and a removable tank in the load space. I would have to fit the tank in the load area permanently to get the certificate and then alter the tank to allow me to remove it when I want all the load space.
Thats a point where would i get a certificate from when its all finished :-/
Any LPGA approved fitter should certify it, for a price!!! I know I can get it checked and certified in Cambridge for around the £50 mark.
Pete, be careful If you go down that route... If you have an accident your insurance company will see that as a way out!!!
What insurance ;D
Only joking ;)
Ive considered that and will have to way up the options
Personally I only see 2 options. Either have a certified conversion with your selection of tank(s) permanently fitted or don't bother with the certificate. There are insurers out there who don't require one!
The removable tank idea is bad news IMHO... Connecting and disconnecting 2 fuel lines will leave a pool of gas in the car. On top of that, there aren't any LPGA approved quick release couplings for a reason... They will wear over time and also they will become a weak point in the system. Imagine not connecting the main feed pipe properly and not realising it until you've filled up and are driving down the road!!! BOOM!!! ::) ::) ::) :o :o :o
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Looks like i will be looking around for a kit then.
Jay, have you got your contact details for the place that supplied yours please?
How much maintainence does the LPG system need, as i keep reading on here about people having running issues with it??
Once i have it 90% fitted i will need someone to do the injectors and set up the system as i really do not have a clue :-/
Speak to Jeremy on 07830302988. He doesn't seem to have items on ebay at the moment but he's very helpful on the phone. Mention OOF. :y
Maintenance wise, there's a vapour filter to change. No more bother than a fuel filter really. The vapouriser can benefit from being cleaned out every couple of years. Other than that, it shouldn't really need any maintenance. All the bits on the kits Jeremy sells are serviceable so you can rebuild the injectors if you have a problem, for example.
Edited to say: I'm happy to help with drilling manifolds, electrics, etc. It gets easier after doing a couple.
Kevin
Kev, what's his eBay id ? If I get the same kit idc -- I might try to co-erce you into drilling my manifold ::)
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u-fit-lpg is his ebay ID IIRC. He doesn't have any kits listed at the moment.
I can drill and tap manifolds with no problem. In fact, it would be a good idea to start collecting spare manifolds so I could get a few done in advance. That would speed the process up a little.
Kevin
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Ah, yes, that's the guy I have in my seller's list, to keep an eye on :)
Good to know he's a good'un :y
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I think it makes economic sense to put an LPG conversion in if you are doing a lot of miles. I don't do a lot of miles, so it isn't worth it for me.
However, I've never been convinced by it, if you know what I mean. I had an LPG car about 30 years ago when I lived in Holland, where virtually every filling station had an LPG pump. OK, my car was only a 1.6l job, but the drop in power when running on gas was huge. I know the technology has moved on, and that the power drop wouldn't be all that noticeable on a big V6, but, as I said, I'm still not convinced.
I worry about carrying a big tank of explosive around - OK, petrol is probably just as dangerous, but the tank is invisible - out of site, out of mind. I was once caught in one of those big motorway pile-ups in fog and an LPG car caught fire - it was very frightening indeed, but then, I've never seen a petrol car go up, so I can't really compare. Anyhow, I'm not happy about travelling in LPG vehicles.
Not trying to put you off or anything :(
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LPG has indeed come on in the last few years. Tank valves are electrically operated right at the multivalve, so in the event of an accident, the only way gas can spill is by a rupture of the tank. If that were to happen so much gas (well, it'd be liquid at first) would be released so fast that it would probably create such a fuel-rich environment around the car that it would actually make a fire less likely. And if LPG doesn't go up immediately, it will disperse harmlessly rather than hanging around making the area hazardous as petrol would. I think it's swings and roundabouts, TBH. :-/
Kevin
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Bugger all drop in power, more power on LPG than rubbish petrol (Tesco) but quality petrol better than LPG (BP Shell)
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u-fit-lpg is his ebay ID IIRC. He doesn't have any kits listed at the moment.
I can drill and tap manifolds with no problem. In fact, it would be a good idea to start collecting spare manifolds so I could get a few done in advance. That would speed the process up a little.
Kevin
once i have completed mine Kevin i will pass on my current manifold, i believe they are all the same :y
Given that we have a few people considering LPG it would be an idea to do them on a 'pass it forward' basis, that way the chances of keeping the car on the road as long as possible
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once i have completed mine Kevin i will pass on my current manifold, i believe they are all the same :y
Given that we have a few people considering LPG it would be an idea to do them on a 'pass it forward' basis, that way the chances of keeping the car on the road as long as possible
Injector flow rates might be different between engines but the manifolds are probably the same, so as long as the original injectors are kept it sounds like a plan. :y
Many thanks for popping over tonight, BTW, Jay W. It was a great help to see your install in the flesh. :y A bit of thinking to do on the tank installation but it should be do-able.
Kevin
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once i have completed mine Kevin i will pass on my current manifold, i believe they are all the same :y
Given that we have a few people considering LPG it would be an idea to do them on a 'pass it forward' basis, that way the chances of keeping the car on the road as long as possible
Injector flow rates might be different between engines but the manifolds are probably the same, so as long as the original injectors are kept it sounds like a plan. :y
Many thanks for popping over tonight, BTW, Jay W. It was a great help to see your install in the flesh. :y A bit of thinking to do on the tank installation but it should be do-able.
Kevin
It was a pleasure Kevin, good to meet up with you, thanks for the coffee.
if you need to look over it again let me know :y
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It was a pleasure Kevin, good to meet up with you, thanks for the coffee.
if you need to look over it again let me know :y
One thing I meant to ask.. If you route the gas pipe parallel to the fuel lines there's an area just in front of the rear wheel arch where the petrol lines curve in toward the centre of the car and upwards in fairly close proximity to the exhaust. Certainly closer than LPGA guidelines would allow. How did you route the LPG pipe in this area?
Kevin
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I think it makes economic sense to put an LPG conversion in if you are doing a lot of miles. I don't do a lot of miles, so it isn't worth it for me.
However, I've never been convinced by it, if you know what I mean. I had an LPG car about 30 years ago when I lived in Holland, where virtually every filling station had an LPG pump. OK, my car was only a 1.6l job, but the drop in power when running on gas was huge. I know the technology has moved on, and that the power drop wouldn't be all that noticeable on a big V6, but, as I said, I'm still not convinced.
I worry about carrying a big tank of explosive around - OK, petrol is probably just as dangerous, but the tank is invisible - out of site, out of mind. I was once caught in one of those big motorway pile-ups in fog and an LPG car caught fire - it was very frightening indeed, but then, I've never seen a petrol car go up, so I can't really compare. Anyhow, I'm not happy about travelling in LPG vehicles.
Not trying to put you off or anything :(
My last car was a Classic Rangey with an ancient mixer type LPG system. I ran on LPG all the time so adjusted the timing to suit LPG, which would just run OK on petrol (but not for too long for fear of engine damage) and found that there was more power on LPG than Petrol, even with the timing correct for petrol! With the modern, multi-point sequential systems there is virtually no loss in power whatsoever. There is the slight drop in economy, but the figures speak for themselves... LPG is definitely a viable option for anyone who travels more than 10k/year and intend to keep the car for a few years.
I do about 25-30k and plan to keep my car for a good couple of years, at least, because I think it's possibly the best car I have ever owned! I'm budgeting around £1000 for the installation (DIY), which allows plenty of scope for having to replace parts which are getting tired ::) ::), and getting the system certified. I can recoup this in around 10 months, again allowing for problems, so I know that within a year I'll be saving money!! :y :y :y
As for fire risk... LPG tanks are much stronger than petrol, especially as petrol tanks are now made from plastic!!! IIRC LPG tanks are tested to 10 times the strength of petrol. The chances of an LPG tank rupturing are so minimal it's virtually non existent. Especially as all multivalves have a pressure release vent which will gently release vapour to ensure the tank doesn't over pressurise. Petrol tanks, however, just melt and keep the fuel flowing... Trust me I know...
Got called to a car on fire by the police, to recover it off the motorway, and ended up having to lift the car with a HIAB to allow the fire brigade access to the petrol tank as every time they thought they had the fire extinguished it flared up again!!! The cause was a plastic petrol tank which had melted slightly and ignited the fuel inside!!
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Did anybody tried Teleflex GFI or Prins and any experience on them ? :-/
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Have a Koltec (Teleflex) system on my Astra. Runs fine, but very expensive if a fault develops - £ silly for new injectors. Veil of secrecy regarding software, so you have to get a dealer to do anything technical and that's big bucks. I've heard a few say this system can be fragile.
I've had problems with water ingress into the multipin connectors in the past and a problem with the engine's EGR valve that upset the LPG system, but that aside it's worked well for 100k+ miles.
I have OMVL Dream XX1n sequential injection fitted to 2.5V6 auto which returns 22-23mpg on average @ 49p per litre. This works off the engine's ECU signals to the petrol injectors, so you don't get fault lamp issues.
The trip computer works properly in LPG mode as does the cruise control with this system. You can also experiment with mapping to get best performance and economy as the software is generic. Had this for 80k miles with only a solenoid failure (£25) to blemish its record.
Vogas system supposedly works well, too as it is a similar slave type system. Available from http://www.wtv-uk.co.uk.
Opinion - go for it!
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i think i would personally only ever fit LPG to a Omega estate.
Because you can fit a doughnut in the spare wheel, and not a huge tank taking up half the boot in a saloon.
You loose a lot of boot space, and means you cannot put the seats down for large loads, which i have done quite often.
Estate, you get the benifits of LPG with none of the draw backs.
There is a vertical doughnut tank available which will *just* fit in the saloon spare wheel area. Mine was a very tight squeeze but would hold approx 55 litres with no loss of boot space.
A slightly smaller version is also available which hides neatly behind the original spare wheel cover. Both are made by Stako to current R67-01 spec. Will try to find a pic later.
Tanks available from http://www.wtv-uk.co.uk
Carry a squirty foam puncture sealant or a space saver (eBay) to get you home.
Saab space saver fits mine - £15 off eBay.
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I'd be interested if you can recall which vertical tank you used.
Kevin
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I'd be interested if you can recall which vertical tank you used.
Kevin
650 x 250mm 64 litre Stako from WTV. That holds approx 51 litres of lpg, which enabled me to travel from Bristol to Penrith. It's a * very* tight fit but will go in if you persevere with it. I pre-assembled the convoluted vent pipes to exit the body behind the bumper and was able to pull them into place with a stiff piece of wire.
The tank was secured to a hidden length of angle iron which I bolted to the body reinforcing web just above the rear wheel arch. You can use the redundant spare wheel retaining strap to prevent the tank rattling, but it must be securely fastened to the vehicle body by a strong steel strap or bar for safety and to comply with installation regs.
If you're not too bothered about range then the smaller 630 x 225mm 53 litre is a simpler installation. That holds approx 42 litres of lpg.
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650mm is max possible diameter.
I glued some offcuts from rubber floor mats in place above and below the tank to stop it rattling against the bodywork.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v489/crushed11/car/IMG_2706.jpg)
And you won't squeeze in anything fatter than 250mm either
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The spare wheel cover can be held in place with a bit of velcro glued to the tank
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A small gap between the wheel cover and boot edge is all that gives away the tank's presence.
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I've got some more pics from OMVL Dream XX1n installations on saloon and estate Omega stored on another computer which I'll post if I can find them anytime soon...
Regards,
Martyn H
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Thanks. :y
I looked into that tank size and couldn't be 100% sure it'd work. I could see it was going to be a right pain if it fitted at all. :-/
Since it looks like a cylinder tank is also going to be a pain with my removable tow bar I'm starting to wonder.
Kevin
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Can't see it being a problem - my tank was fitted after the tow bar, not easy the other way round
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Can't see it being a problem - my tank was fitted after the tow bar, not easy the other way round
The problem is my towbar has a reinforcing plate that runs back along the top of the boot floor. It will foul the tank frame.
I doubt it's a show stopper but it's a pain. Worst case I'll have to get a shin breaker I guess. :(
Kevin
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Can't see it being a problem - my tank was fitted after the tow bar, not easy the other way round
The problem is my towbar has a reinforcing plate that runs back along the top of the boot floor. It will foul the tank frame.
I doubt it's a show stopper but it's a pain. Worst case I'll have to get a shin breaker I guess. :(
Kevin
Do you have piccies?
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Have a Koltec (Teleflex) system on my Astra. Runs fine, but very expensive if a fault develops - £ silly for new injectors. Veil of secrecy regarding software, so you have to get a dealer to do anything technical and that's big bucks. I've heard a few say this system can be fragile.
I've had problems with water ingress into the multipin connectors in the past and a problem with the engine's EGR valve that upset the LPG system, but that aside it's worked well for 100k+ miles.
I have OMVL Dream XX1n sequential injection fitted to 2.5V6 auto which returns 22-23mpg on average @ 49p per litre. This works off the engine's ECU signals to the petrol injectors, so you don't get fault lamp issues.
The trip computer works properly in LPG mode as does the cruise control with this system. You can also experiment with mapping to get best performance and economy as the software is generic. Had this for 80k miles with only a solenoid failure (£25) to blemish its record.
Vogas system supposedly works well, too as it is a similar slave type system. Available from http://www.wtv-uk.co.uk.
Opinion - go for it!
Thanks for the info :y
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Do you have piccies?
Not to hand but it's a pretty substantial contoured plate of metal about 4mm thick (probably more like 10mm due to the contours) that runs from the 3 towbar mounting bolt holes under the boot sill trim panel back to the 2 mounting bolts that go through the crossmember behind the diff.
Kevin
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Do you have piccies?
Not to hand but it's a pretty substantial contoured plate of metal about 4mm thick (probably more like 10mm due to the contours) that runs from the 3 towbar mounting bolt holes under the boot sill trim panel back to the 2 mounting bolts that go through the crossmember behind the diff.
Kevin
Tank would go either side
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After a deep search and many phone calls .This brand (prins) is considered to be best in my country..But prices are a bit high..
also have a distributor in UK..
http://www.prinslpgnetwork.com/locations.html
http://www.prinslpgnetwork.com/lpg_fuel_20050628.html
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Well, the deed is done. One V6 Front end and 4 hole 80 litre tank winging its' way to me. I will make it all fit somehow, even if I have to ditch the removable towbar for a shin breaker. ;)
Went for a 4 hole tank because the single hole multivalve is marginal with the 3.2's output power according to Jeremy due to the fact that they have a 6mm liquid pickup pipe in the limited available space. Although I may well have got away with it in practice I don't like engines going lean at full throttle. Added advantage is that the filler valve is bigger bore, too, so it will fill faster. :y
A bit of fun and games ahead for me. :)
Kevin
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Well, the deed is done. One V6 Front end and 4 hole 80 litre tank winging its' way to me. I will make it all fit somehow, even if I have to ditch the removable towbar for a shin breaker. ;)
Went for a 4 hole tank because the single hole multivalve is marginal with the 3.2's output power according to Jeremy due to the fact that they have a 6mm liquid pickup pipe in the limited available space. Although I may well have got away with it in practice I don't like engines going lean at full throttle. Added advantage is that the filler valve is bigger bore, too, so it will fill faster. :y
A bit of fun and games ahead for me. :)
Kevin
From my previous experiences with LPG , as you start to travel more than before consumables costs ( ie brake pads, filters, oil and sparks ) increase ..So total cost again is same ;D :y
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From my previous experiences with LPG , as you start to travel more than before consumables costs ( ie brake pads, filters, oil and sparks ) increase ..So total cost again is same ;D :y
I suspect the cost of petrol is the only thing stopping my right foot being used more heavily too, so you may be right. ::)
Still, it'll keep me out of trouble for a week or two.
Kevin
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I'm sure it will all go fine, you have experience of doing these anyway .. :)
You also have Patrick up the road at Alresford if things go horribly wrong, I'm sure he'd help !!!
:)
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Well, the deed is done. One V6 Front end and 4 hole 80 litre tank winging its' way to me. I will make it all fit somehow, even if I have to ditch the removable towbar for a shin breaker. ;)
Went for a 4 hole tank because the single hole multivalve is marginal with the 3.2's output power according to Jeremy due to the fact that they have a 6mm liquid pickup pipe in the limited available space. Although I may well have got away with it in practice I don't like engines going lean at full throttle. Added advantage is that the filler valve is bigger bore, too, so it will fill faster. :y
A bit of fun and games ahead for me. :)
Kevin
From my previous experiences with LPG , as you start to travel more than before consumables costs ( ie brake pads, filters, oil and sparks ) increase ..So total cost again is same ;D :y
So does LPG knock out the oil and plugs prematurely then???? :-/
Does it knock out the engine as well (head and valves)??
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Kevin,
Would you mind sharing the cost with me please??? You can PM it if you like. Just want to know what figure I'm looking at saving up before I can do mine!! I'm planning to be able to do it during August, when the weather is supposed to be good!! ;D ;D ;D
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Well, the deed is done. One V6 Front end and 4 hole 80 litre tank winging its' way to me. I will make it all fit somehow, even if I have to ditch the removable towbar for a shin breaker. ;)
Went for a 4 hole tank because the single hole multivalve is marginal with the 3.2's output power according to Jeremy due to the fact that they have a 6mm liquid pickup pipe in the limited available space. Although I may well have got away with it in practice I don't like engines going lean at full throttle. Added advantage is that the filler valve is bigger bore, too, so it will fill faster. :y
A bit of fun and games ahead for me. :)
Kevin
From my previous experiences with LPG , as you start to travel more than before consumables costs ( ie brake pads, filters, oil and sparks ) increase ..So total cost again is same ;D :y
So does LPG knock out the oil and plugs prematurely then???? :-/
Does it knock out the engine as well (head and valves)??
Use NGK Iridium LPG plugs :)