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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: Gaffers on 22 January 2014, 00:07:03
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It seems the plumber has done a half-arsed job as the cold water feed under the bath has been leaking, it would appear for some time. The only reason I know about is because the water has come through the wall and soaked the bedroom. I cant even turn the mains off as when I do the stop-cock leaks!!!
So the towels are out to try and soak it up while a bowl is catching the water. Although I will have to stay up and empty it every hour >:(
Not a happy bunny. The developer had better honour the guarantee.
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OMG - had vision of you actually shagging the carpet mate :o
Still each to their own ;)
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no just rug munching probably
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Why do people buy brand new homes? financial deals yes, but you invite a whole load of trouble............ ::) ::) My house is about 80 years old, at least I know it's faults....... :y :y and how much I need to spend on it........... ::) ::)
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It seems the plumber has done a half-arsed job as the cold water feed under the bath has been leaking, it would appear for some time. The only reason I know about is because the water has come through the wall and soaked the bedroom. I cant even turn the mains off as when I do the stop-cock leaks!!!
So the towels are out to try and soak it up while a bowl is catching the water. Although I will have to stay up and empty it every hour >:(
Not a happy bunny. The developer had better honour the guarantee.
I really have concerns at so called tradesmen today. I am using guys in their 50s and 60s who are steady and thorough. My son uses tradesmen his age (mates or friends of mates) and there always seems to be issues. I have got a 63 year old electrician in redoing all the heath robinson creative wiring I have generated over the years and it is good to see a true professional at work.
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It seems the plumber has done a half-arsed job as the cold water feed under the bath has been leaking, it would appear for some time. The only reason I know about is because the water has come through the wall and soaked the bedroom. I cant even turn the mains off as when I do the stop-cock leaks!!!
So the towels are out to try and soak it up while a bowl is catching the water. Although I will have to stay up and empty it every hour >:(
Not a happy bunny. The developer had better honour the guarantee.
I really have concerns at so called tradesmen today. I am using guys in their 50s and 60s who are steady and thorough. My son uses tradesmen his age (mates or friends of mates) and there always seems to be issues. I have got a 63 year old electrician in redoing all the heath robinson creative wiring I have generated over the years and it is good to see a true professional at work.
I have a house like that, but I did not do the wiring, well not most of it... :-X Got it sussed though, mostly....... ;) ;)
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New builds mate, I tell ya, they are shite.
I guess now is not the time to say.... Well, I did say. :-X
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It seems the plumber has done a half-arsed job as the cold water feed under the bath has been leaking, it would appear for some time. The only reason I know about is because the water has come through the wall and soaked the bedroom. I cant even turn the mains off as when I do the stop-cock leaks!!!
So the towels are out to try and soak it up while a bowl is catching the water. Although I will have to stay up and empty it every hour >:(
Not a happy bunny. The developer had better honour the guarantee.
I really have concerns at so called tradesmen today. I am using guys in their 50s and 60s who are steady and thorough. My son uses tradesmen his age (mates or friends of mates) and there always seems to be issues. I have got a 63 year old electrician in redoing all the heath robinson creative wiring I have generated over the years and it is good to see a true professional at work.
The plumber who I have seen working here was in his 50s
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It seems the plumber has done a half-arsed job as the cold water feed under the bath has been leaking, it would appear for some time. The only reason I know about is because the water has come through the wall and soaked the bedroom. I cant even turn the mains off as when I do the stop-cock leaks!!!
So the towels are out to try and soak it up while a bowl is catching the water. Although I will have to stay up and empty it every hour >:(
Not a happy bunny. The developer had better honour the guarantee.
I really have concerns at so called tradesmen today. I am using guys in their 50s and 60s who are steady and thorough. My son uses tradesmen his age (mates or friends of mates) and there always seems to be issues. I have got a 63 year old electrician in redoing all the heath robinson creative wiring I have generated over the years and it is good to see a true professional at work.
I have a house like that, but I did not do the wiring, well not most of it... :-X Got it sussed though, mostly....... ;) ;)
One electrician who knows my handiwork told my daughter that based on all the stuff (5 cat scarers, 150 garden perimeter lights, various pot lights, pond pump, pond lights, pond anti-crap system, various chargers for garden tools, based on a traditional system of random sockets and switches pieced into the first wire that came to hand!!)) I had running from the garage I could supply the needs of a small village :o
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Fair play to the developer, he called at 0545 and was here 20 mins later. Hopefully the plumber will be here soon.
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Fingers crossed then
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I looked round a new build with a view to purchasing it when we last moved. The central heating had clearly just been commissioned. EVERY joint in the system was leaking. The airing cupboard was quite an impressive water feature. ;D
Now, I'm just a DIY'er, with zero formal training and little experience, but I enjoy plumbing and am happy to tackle my own plumbing projects. I probably do a plumbing job once a year or so. It disappoints me that perhaps 1 in 20 compression joints I make needs nipping up because it's weeping afterwards. If I were doing the job every day I'd damned well expect a 99.999% success rate. >:(
So, how can a stop cock leak when it's turned off? Has it been put on backwards? ::)
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I think cheap materials have been the other major factor. The old boys seem ok with Screwfix for plumbing but the electrician wants to use MK all the time. All the 1999 bathroom work done here was Jewsons supplied or specialist plumbers merchant and it still seems good. Our 32 year old radiators though are starting to complain a bit - disgraceful. The Darryl shower doors we used were £500 each back in 1999 though.
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Yep, I can sympathise with that. Some of the cheaper electrical fittings are nasty, and have a horrible feel to the switches too. I tend to get most of my plumbing stuff from BES. Good prices, orders arrive promptly (Sorry ::)) and everything I've had has been decent quality.
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Hopefully the leak(s) will be sorted and then you can assess and get any other damage sorted swiftly :y
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Hopefully the leak(s) will be sorted and then you can assess and get any other damage sorted swiftly :y
Indeed. :y
Look on the bright side. Some friends of ours had a new build. A couple of weeks after moving in the lounge ceiling came down due to dodgy plumbing. :o
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Well the plumber has been and sorted the problem. It seems a washer had gone and not the joint as I had first thought. So that has been done and the stop cock fixed which was not screwed in hard enough.
So far the damage is not too bad. There is a very small water mark on the kitchen ceiling and the gratuitous use of towels in the bedroom has brought up most of the water. I just need to move some furniture around to make sure it dries out. I have a space heater too which will help dry things out.
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Grrr bet that is annoying!
The developer should cover this Matt, with ours, its less than 2 years into the 10 year Premier guarantee. Couple of minor things went with the previous owner, such a spring plug thing in the downstairs loo.
They call out the plumber who fixed it, he directly bills the developer, it does not even go through a premier guarantee claim. Apparently this is the case normally for the first 2 years? It goes straight to the developer :y
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Be careful getting work done whilst the house is under guarantee. :)
A lady who used to live next door to my Mum had some alterations done to her house and when a couple of years later there was a fault with the plumbing (which was nothing to do with the alterations) the developer tried to wriggle out on the grounds that he hadn't been notified that the property had been altered. ::) He was just trying it on as she was a woman and sorted the fault after a solicitors letter! ;)
Worth bearing in mind! ;)
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I looked round a new build with a view to purchasing it when we last moved. The central heating had clearly just been commissioned. EVERY joint in the system was leaking. The airing cupboard was quite an impressive water feature. ;D
Now, I'm just a DIY'er, with zero formal training and little experience, but I enjoy plumbing and am happy to tackle my own plumbing projects. I probably do a plumbing job once a year or so. It disappoints me that perhaps 1 in 20 compression joints I make needs nipping up because it's weeping afterwards. If I were doing the job every day I'd damned well expect a 99.999% success rate. >:(
So, how can a stop cock leak when it's turned off? Has it been put on backwards? ::)
I always use solder joints as much as possible as they are very easy to do and far more reliable. I haven't tried the plastic pipes yet, so I don't know how good they are?
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Guy who does my plumbing reckons it,s better to turn water off at meter (if you have one) as stop cocks are more
prone to leaks when used a few times. :-\
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I looked round a new build with a view to purchasing it when we last moved. The central heating had clearly just been commissioned. EVERY joint in the system was leaking. The airing cupboard was quite an impressive water feature. ;D
Now, I'm just a DIY'er, with zero formal training and little experience, but I enjoy plumbing and am happy to tackle my own plumbing projects. I probably do a plumbing job once a year or so. It disappoints me that perhaps 1 in 20 compression joints I make needs nipping up because it's weeping afterwards. If I were doing the job every day I'd damned well expect a 99.999% success rate. >:(
So, how can a stop cock leak when it's turned off? Has it been put on backwards? ::)
I always use solder joints as much as possible as they are very easy to do and far more reliable. I haven't tried the plastic pipes yet, so I don't know how good they are?
In a bungalow i owned, that i was totally gutting, putting an extension on.....and installing a brand central heating system.....i discovered that in the original part of the bungalow the floor boards were tongue and groove and in mint condition under the old carpets, so decided to sand them and varnish.....the plumber installing the heating system, was told you do not lift any floorboards..as the walls were back to brick in every room....he decided to use plastic micro bore....dropped from the ceilling.....then it was plastered over....nice neat solution....and worked fine :y
Only problem with that solution.....is i wonder if the new owners have found the plastic pipes with nails/screws/drills ;D
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I've had 2 new builds, and in both cases the snag lists have been fairly minimal, certainly nothing serious.
This house did lose a few roof tiles (not even in high winds) after about 3yrs, developers weren't interested, so had to get it done via NHBC. Found out there are different levels of NHBC, fortunately ours included roof work.
My carpets are shagged, the firemen brought in tar, and ash has discoloured it in places.
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As long as the heater does its job it looks like the carpets will make it. A $200 hawaiian quilt has been ruined though. I doubt that this is covered under the NHBC, thus an insurance claim may look likely :(
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Don't forget to claim for the
holiday time consuming, intensive trip in search of said quilt ::)
Fair play to the developer for getting to it sharpish, not that the situation should have arisen in the first place :-\
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I always use solder joints as much as possible as they are very easy to do and far more reliable. I haven't tried the plastic pipes yet, so I don't know how good they are?
Yes, me too.
As to plastic pipe, the thing that worries me about using it where you can't get to it is that there is an O ring in every joint and, as we know only too well, rubber seals don't last forever. That said, I'm sure a solder joint will eventually fail with years of thermal cycling. :-\
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Its easy to fit and as a bleddy sight more reliable than plumbers soldering.
Being fair, a low joint on old pipe work, where water seems along the pipe is exceptionally difficult to solder as the water keeps creeping in and cooling the joint. Or, just join the plastic onto copper. Cut to length(snip) push together (click).... measure the next one, to within the nearest two inches ::) measure, snip, click. Jobbed.
It's actually bugger all to do with plumbing. Idiot proof. Ideal for tradesman. ;D
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Its easy to fit and as a bleddy sight more reliable than plumbers soldering.
Being fair, a low joint on old pipe work, where water seems along the pipe is exceptionally difficult to solder as the water keeps creeping in and cooling the joint. Or, just join the plastic onto copper. Cut to length(snip) push together (click).... measure the next one, to within the nearest two inches ::) measure, snip, click. Jobbed.
It's actually bugger all to do with plumbing. Idiot proof. Ideal for tradesman. ;D
Indeed, but in 10 year's time, when the rubber seal has perished... ;)
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The plumbing on the boat was a combination of twenty five year old (at the time) copper plumbing with compression joints in a handful of reasonably accessible places with some ten year old plastic pipe and speedfit connections. Only leaks were minor ones from a couple of compression joints, easily sorted with new olives, and one speedfit connection popping apart one winter where I hadn't drained it properly ::)
Use pre soldered joints for any plumbing at home... So easy even I can do it ;D
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Its easy to fit and as a bleddy sight more reliable than plumbers soldering.
Being fair, a low joint on old pipe work, where water seems along the pipe is exceptionally difficult to solder as the water keeps creeping in and cooling the joint. Or, just join the plastic onto copper. Cut to length(snip) push together (click).... measure the next one, to within the nearest two inches ::) measure, snip, click. Jobbed.
It's actually bugger all to do with plumbing. Idiot proof. Ideal for tradesman. ;D
Indeed, but in 10 year's time, when the rubber seal has perished... ;)
Plastic speed/push fit joints usually have a 20 year guarantee, which I'm sure will put your mind at rest Kevin! ::) :)
I used them recently when I fitted a bath with centre taps and it made the whole operation a lot easier! :y If I'd tried to solder the joints I'd have probably managed to burn a hole in the bath!! ::) ;D
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Fit the taps and run the pipes prior to installing the bath :y then use flexi hoses of a suitable diameter to connect the tails to the pipes where they exit the floor :y
When you strip the old bath fit shutoff valves to the feed pipes before you do owt else. That way you can still make tea and use the loo without repercussion :y
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Its easy to fit and as a bleddy sight more reliable than plumbers soldering.
Being fair, a low joint on old pipe work, where water seems along the pipe is exceptionally difficult to solder as the water keeps creeping in and cooling the joint. Or, just join the plastic onto copper. Cut to length(snip) push together (click).... measure the next one, to within the nearest two inches ::) measure, snip, click. Jobbed.
It's actually bugger all to do with plumbing. Idiot proof. Ideal for tradesman. ;D
Indeed, but in 10 year's time, when the rubber seal has perished... ;)
Plastic speed/push fit joints usually have a 20 year guarantee, which I'm sure will put your mind at rest Kevin! ::) :)
I used them recently when I fitted a bath with centre taps and it made the whole operation a lot easier! :y If I'd tried to solder the joints I'd have probably managed to burn a hole in the bath!! ::) ;D
Is there an adapter or something to go from copper to plastic? the bit of flexibility you get with plastic must be helpful with bathroom fittings, our Caravan (Static) is all plastic plumbing......... ;) ;)
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Speed fit will join both, but must always fit an insert to stop the pipes from crushing when you plug them in :y
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Well the plumber has been and sorted the problem. It seems a washer had gone and not the joint as I had first thought. So that has been done and the stop cock fixed which was not screwed in hard enough.
So far the damage is not too bad. There is a very small water mark on the kitchen ceiling and the gratuitous use of towels in the bedroom has brought up most of the water. I just need to move some furniture around to make sure it dries out. I have a space heater too which will help dry things out.
I always replace the old brass stop cocks with full bore lever valves, so much easier to use, and more reliable. :y