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Title: Locking Wheel Bolts OMG
Post by: cd 2.2 on 12 February 2014, 23:41:27
This is a bit awkward, My 03 plate Omega B FL has stupid thatcham VX wheel bolts fitted (only 3 as one is back in it's box). I guess you can all see what's coming here ... Some numpty previously used an air gun to do the wheel bolts up *all of them*  >:(. This is O.K I thought as I own a 2 foot breaker bar, "I can use the supplied key and carefully remove them for good" or so I thought  >:( >:( >:(
Whoever it was that tightened the bolts up so monumentally tight also sheared the pattern from the stupid key, all I have to undo these damn bolts is a 2 piece key that will never work .... I have even tried to remove all of the bolts leaving the locker on and bouncing all of the weight on the back of the car (standing on back of car and jumping on it), all this achieved was some loud cracking noises from that wheel and no movement whatsoever!!

VX want £50 + VAT and can't guarantee it's going to be the right one even with my car pass, the broken key and the key number :o. I have rung around my local garages and the only person that says he can get them off wants to get an oxy torch on the bolt heads *No frikin way that's happening* and that leaves 1 option ... Pay Redhouse service station £90 all in to dynomec them off !!!

Any of you guys have any suggestions or have a key with the same number as mine that I could borrow pretty pls? Key number is FER17127 ... I would pay you in coffee and bacon butties if you could lol

Cheers in advance Graham :y
Title: Re: Locking Wheel Bolts OMG
Post by: jonny2112 on 12 February 2014, 23:53:59
They are a real pita!
Some have had success forcing an old socket onto the bolt? Not foolproof, but not too drastic either.
Title: Re: Locking Wheel Bolts OMG
Post by: cd 2.2 on 12 February 2014, 23:57:26
They are unfortunately the pastry cutter type with the spinning collar so that's never going to work IMHO!
I thought maybe a gatorgrip type socket but don't think that will work either to be fair  :'(
Title: Re: Locking Wheel Bolts OMG
Post by: jonny2112 on 13 February 2014, 00:08:39
Apologies  :-X
It's getting to the stage then where you may have to take more extreme measures, and allow one of the garages to have a go? Particularly if that's guaranteed?
A matching key may also be an option I suppose? I might have one at home and will check tomorrow, just in case! And I'm sure others will have a few ideas too.
Title: Re: Locking Wheel Bolts OMG
Post by: cd 2.2 on 13 February 2014, 00:16:54
If someone has a good key then I don't mind donating something towards it or loaning it then returning tbh. It's unfortunately a desperate situation as the tyres all need to be changed  ::)
Title: Re: Locking Wheel Bolts OMG
Post by: bigegg on 13 February 2014, 01:49:03
socket on it as close as you can, then blob of weld down the inside.
I think you've got to the point where *some* damage is inevitable - set of wheel bolts + (possibly) 4 sockets.
or just some m(14?) 17mm nuts to weld on?

Title: Re: Locking Wheel Bolts OMG
Post by: Ever Ready on 13 February 2014, 06:13:47
socket on it as close as you can, then blob of weld down the inside.
I think you've got to the point where *some* damage is inevitable - set of wheel bolts + (possibly) 4 sockets.
or just some m(14?) 17mm nuts to weld on?
Sounds like the way to go, locking wheel have always seemed more of a hindrance than a help ime
Title: Re: Locking Wheel Bolts OMG
Post by: swordfish on 13 February 2014, 06:37:23
 if you are good with a welder. weld a big 32 mm bolt to the locking wheel nut but only use a 32 mm , anything smaller will just snap off
that will remove it no problem done it many times before  :y
Title: Re: Locking Wheel Bolts OMG
Post by: robson on 13 February 2014, 09:50:41
sounds like a drive to Manchester.
Title: Re: Locking Wheel Bolts OMG
Post by: robson on 13 February 2014, 09:58:35
Look at "Omega wheel locking key " on ebay is this any good
Title: Re: Locking Wheel Bolts OMG
Post by: geoffr70 on 13 February 2014, 10:37:44
I wonder how many people suggesting to weld on a socket have actually tried it.

When I lost my locking key, I did this.

1. Get a flat head screw driver and hammer. With the blade at 90 degrees to the collar, hammer into it all the way and it'll come off. Surprisingly easily, like toffee.

2. Using a reverse thread locking bolt remover, remove the bolts. The only downside is is that after each one you need to remove the remover from the bolt. I used a vice and a grinder to grind two flats on to get a purchase.

This saved me considerable time, money, and faff.
Title: Re: Locking Wheel Bolts OMG
Post by: terry paget on 13 February 2014, 10:42:06
You give me key numbers. I have two sets of locking nuts and removal tools, numbers 91158463 and 91138778, I assume Vx part nos. Almost certainly will not fit yours, but who knows? Can someone in the trade tell us what nos. yours would be? Would pics help?
Title: Re: Locking Wheel Bolts OMG
Post by: Andy B on 13 February 2014, 11:07:12
....
With the blade at 90 degrees to the collar, hammer into it all the way and it'll come off. Surprisingly easily, like toffee.
 .....

I suspect that depends on what type of locking bolts are fitted. The type with three holes in the middle that were originally fitted to mine had a very thin rotating collar that, like yours, was very easily cut off. The later cake cutter type that are now fitted have a much thicker collar that I think would be more difficult to cut off.
Title: Re: Locking Wheel Bolts OMG
Post by: cd 2.2 on 13 February 2014, 12:07:52
they are definitely the later *THATCHAM* vx wheel bolts ... they are deep seated bolts and have a hefty spinning collar! I think I'm going to pay to get them dynomec'd off as all other options will/may result in damage to the wheels as well as my wallet!

Stupid air tools, wouldn't be surprised if the garage guys do everything with them including getting dressed and eating breakfast in the morning before jetting off to work on their air gun lol 
Title: Re: Locking Wheel Bolts OMG
Post by: robson on 13 February 2014, 15:48:48
Isnt there a number on the locking bolt key.
Title: Re: Locking Wheel Bolts OMG
Post by: Webby the Bear on 13 February 2014, 17:24:30
Seriously, I wouldn't bother with Vx.

Take it to a good tyre shop. They'll be able to chisel them to knock them round.... they do this all day every day ;)

I took mine to Scotts tyres in N'pton and the guy was like ''no probs''...... all 4 (as I didn't want them) off in 5 mins :)
Title: Re: Locking Wheel Bolts OMG
Post by: b4ndit on 13 February 2014, 17:41:49
buy a set of Irwin sockets remove the spinning collar and they should then come off :y
Title: Re: Locking Wheel Bolts OMG
Post by: 2boxerdogs on 13 February 2014, 19:01:22
Seriously, I wouldn't bother with Vx.

Take it to a good tyre shop. They'll be able to chisel them to knock them round.... they do this all day every day ;)

I took mine to Scotts tyres in N'pton and the guy was like ''no probs''...... all 4 (as I didn't want them) off in 5 mins :)
     

Agree fully with this, my local central tyres have got a few off for me in the past..
Title: Re: Locking Wheel Bolts OMG
Post by: tidla on 13 February 2014, 22:18:25
http://www.lasertools.co.uk/item.aspx?cat=1108&item=821

Done this on a 09 plate zifira the other week. Even with a new matching locking key proved useless due to being made of cheese.

First thing which needs doing is to mig weld the spinning collar to the centre of the bolt. To protect the alloy wheel, use a small piece of thin sheet metal curved around to the shape of the wheel recess does the job.

Once welded the largest of the set in a windy gun brings them off.

hth
Title: Re: Locking Wheel Bolts OMG
Post by: Sir Tigger KC on 13 February 2014, 23:15:22
Didn't Webby post a video recently from his favourite American car guy, showing a good trick on how to do this?  :-\

Webby!!!!!!   :D :D :D
Title: Re: Locking Wheel Bolts OMG
Post by: cd 2.2 on 14 February 2014, 00:38:48
You give me key numbers. I have two sets of locking nuts and removal tools, numbers 91158463 and 91138778, I assume Vx part nos. Almost certainly will not fit yours, but who knows? Can someone in the trade tell us what nos. yours would be? Would pics help?

Only p/n is on the box and that is 93173882, To add I am not comfortable with any kind of heat near my wheels as they are in nearly new condition and I'm not risking any damage!
The keys available on Egay don't seem to have my key number listed at all (FER17127) ... some look similar but not close enough. When these stupid things do come off I'm going to ceremoniously burn them, then bury them in the top of the garden ... never to be seen again!! >:(
Title: Re: Locking Wheel Bolts OMG
Post by: swordfish on 14 February 2014, 07:11:14
i know how you feel mate  >:(, but if that locking wheel nut has been air gunned on and not been removed for some time you will be very lucky if you get it removed without welding the bolt on
Title: Re: Locking Wheel Bolts OMG
Post by: tidla on 14 February 2014, 14:40:22
the locking wheel nut tool from gm are in the car pass and usually a 3 digit no. over 200 combos
Title: Re: Locking Wheel Bolts OMG
Post by: swordfish on 14 February 2014, 17:35:37
the past cars i had  problems with all had the key it was just they had been put on to tight with an air gun. if they have been put on with a air gun on full power they will not be coming off
Title: Re: Locking Wheel Bolts OMG
Post by: omegafin on 14 February 2014, 17:58:40
How hard is the nut ?
What if you drill 4mm hole in the middle of nut and then larger hole little by little until  nut is gone....?
Title: Re: Locking Wheel Bolts OMG
Post by: cd 2.2 on 15 February 2014, 05:44:00
found someone today who said they would come to the house and remove them for £45 + £8 if they need a second tool thingy (like a dynomec) said he can get them off for sure with no damage !! WIN !!