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Title: Drilling concrete
Post by: Gaffers on 23 February 2014, 21:02:23
The break in the weather allowed me to get outside and waterproof the base of the shed.  4 tubes of butyl rubber sealant later and the job was done.  I then got around to fixing it properly to the concrete base I made before Christmas and started to drill the 10mm holes. 4 dead drill bits and just one 30mm hole later I gave up.  Even upgrading to a heavy duty drill bit has not worked, I gave up when the drill itself started to smoke a little.

I can only think it must be the drill?  It is a corded hammer drill but from a budget range I admit.  On one hand I am happy it is obviously a solid base, but I also need to fit a bracket to lock the new bike to when I get it.  The base was made with scalpings and I can only imagine that I have hit a stone and that is what is causing the issues.

I have thought about hiring one of these for the day:

http://www.hss.com/g/2321/Heavy-Duty-Hammer-Driller.html (http://www.hss.com/g/2321/Heavy-Duty-Hammer-Driller.html)

Any thoughts?
Title: Re: Drilling concrete
Post by: martin42 on 23 February 2014, 21:04:52
That will do the job. :y
Title: Re: Drilling concrete
Post by: Bigron on 23 February 2014, 21:42:28
You need a Kango Hammer - it takes NO prisoners!
www.amazon.co.uk/XQ5223-Rotary-DEMOLITION-hammer-ConcreTE/dp/B002TV49MS

Most tool hire places have a selection, from big to *%4**!!

Ron.
Title: Re: Drilling concrete
Post by: Seth on 23 February 2014, 21:49:02
Your theory about hitting a stone's probably correct Matt, so ideally you'll need an SDS-type drill plus the associated SDS masonry drill bits.

Hiring that jobbie from HSS should suffice though. Go for it! :y
Title: Re: Drilling concrete
Post by: Gaffers on 23 February 2014, 21:51:45
Thanks all :y
Title: Re: Drilling concrete
Post by: Stemo on 23 February 2014, 21:52:41
Thanks all :y
You're welcome  :y
Title: Re: Drilling concrete
Post by: Gaffers on 23 February 2014, 21:53:26
Thanks all :y
You're welcome  :y

Sniff sniff.....


...smells like arse in here ;D
Title: Re: Drilling concrete
Post by: Stemo on 23 February 2014, 21:54:20
Thanks all :y
You're welcome  :y

Sniff sniff.....


...smells like arse in here ;D
Yes...and don't you love it.. ;D
Title: Re: Drilling concrete
Post by: Gaffers on 23 February 2014, 21:55:20
Thanks all :y
You're welcome  :y

Sniff sniff.....


...smells like arse in here ;D
Yes...and don't you love it.. ;D

Not particularly.... you need to lay off the oatcakes
Title: Re: Drilling concrete
Post by: Stemo on 23 February 2014, 21:57:53
Thanks all :y
You're welcome  :y

Sniff sniff.....


...smells like arse in here ;D
Yes...and don't you love it.. ;D

Not particularly.... you need to lay off the oatcakes
Arse.
Title: Re: Drilling concrete
Post by: Gaffers on 23 February 2014, 21:59:20
*opens the window and switches onthe desk fan*

cough...splutter.....
Title: Re: Drilling concrete
Post by: Stemo on 23 February 2014, 22:00:53
*opens the window and switches onthe desk fan*

cough...splutter.....
That'll be your arse wot done that ;D
Title: Re: Drilling concrete
Post by: Stemo on 23 February 2014, 22:01:36
*opens the window and switches onthe desk fan*

cough...splutter.....
That'll be your arse wot done that....Guffer ;D
Title: Re: Drilling concrete
Post by: Andy H on 23 February 2014, 22:03:04
The break in the weather allowed me to get outside and waterproof the base of the shed.  4 tubes of butyl rubber sealant later and the job was done.  I then got around to fixing it properly to the concrete base I made before Christmas and started to drill the 10mm holes. 4 dead drill bits and just one 30mm hole later I gave up.  Even upgrading to a heavy duty drill bit has not worked, I gave up when the drill itself started to smoke a little.

I can only think it must be the drill?  It is a corded hammer drill but from a budget range I admit.  On one hand I am happy it is obviously a solid base, but I also need to fit a bracket to lock the new bike to when I get it.  The base was made with scalpings and I can only imagine that I have hit a stone and that is what is causing the issues.

I have thought about hiring one of these for the day:

http://www.hss.com/g/2321/Heavy-Duty-Hammer-Driller.html (http://www.hss.com/g/2321/Heavy-Duty-Hammer-Driller.html)

Any thoughts?
Why 30mm? I have got a cheap 2.5Kg SDS+ drill which is quite good for drilling 25mm holes in concrete using the hammer action or 100mm holes using a diamond core drill. It struggles with the metre long bit I use to drill 25mm holes through 2 foot thick stone walls because the bit weighs almost as much as the drill ::).

I struggle to hold the drill when using the larger core bits, I'm not sure I would cope with a bigger one :-\
Title: Re: Drilling concrete
Post by: darrenfos on 23 February 2014, 22:04:11
Where in hampshire are you i have a sds hammer drill that will go though anything.
Title: Re: Drilling concrete
Post by: Gaffers on 23 February 2014, 22:04:28
*opens the window and switches onthe desk fan*

cough...splutter.....
That'll be your arse wot done that....Guffer ;D

That's Monsieur Guffer to you, an I know I can clear rats out of a sewer with my farts which is why I do them outside. 
Title: Re: Drilling concrete
Post by: Gaffers on 23 February 2014, 22:05:22
The break in the weather allowed me to get outside and waterproof the base of the shed.  4 tubes of butyl rubber sealant later and the job was done.  I then got around to fixing it properly to the concrete base I made before Christmas and started to drill the 10mm holes. 4 dead drill bits and just one 30mm hole later I gave up.  Even upgrading to a heavy duty drill bit has not worked, I gave up when the drill itself started to smoke a little.

I can only think it must be the drill?  It is a corded hammer drill but from a budget range I admit.  On one hand I am happy it is obviously a solid base, but I also need to fit a bracket to lock the new bike to when I get it.  The base was made with scalpings and I can only imagine that I have hit a stone and that is what is causing the issues.

I have thought about hiring one of these for the day:

http://www.hss.com/g/2321/Heavy-Duty-Hammer-Driller.html (http://www.hss.com/g/2321/Heavy-Duty-Hammer-Driller.html)

Any thoughts?
Why 30mm? I have got a cheap 2.5Kg SDS+ drill which is quite good for drilling 25mm holes in concrete using the hammer action or 100mm holes using a diamond core drill. It struggles with the metre long bit I use to drill 25mm holes through 2 foot thick stone walls because the bit weighs almost as much as the drill ::).

I struggle to hold the drill when using the larger core bits, I'm not sure I would cope with a bigger one :-\

The hole needs to be 50mm deep but I gave up when it is was 25.  Plus I was going a little deaf.....what?!
Title: Re: Drilling concrete
Post by: Gaffers on 23 February 2014, 22:05:57
Where in hampshire are you i have a sds hammer drill that will go though anything.

That's very kind of you.  NE Hampshire, Camberley area.
Title: Re: Drilling concrete
Post by: darrenfos on 23 February 2014, 22:07:34
Eastleigh if you need it's not a problem
Title: Re: Drilling concrete
Post by: Gaffers on 23 February 2014, 22:11:53
Eastleigh if you need it's not a problem

Very kind offer but I need it done tomorrow AM :y
Title: Re: Drilling concrete
Post by: darrenfos on 23 February 2014, 22:13:04
Ok but as i say its here if u want it
Title: Re: Drilling concrete
Post by: Gaffers on 23 February 2014, 22:15:03
Ok but as i say its here if u want it

I'll get back to you if nothing is available at HSS :y
Title: Re: Drilling concrete
Post by: Andy H on 23 February 2014, 22:17:35
The break in the weather allowed me to get outside and waterproof the base of the shed.  4 tubes of butyl rubber sealant later and the job was done.  I then got around to fixing it properly to the concrete base I made before Christmas and started to drill the 10mm holes. 4 dead drill bits and just one 30mm hole later I gave up.  Even upgrading to a heavy duty drill bit has not worked, I gave up when the drill itself started to smoke a little.

I can only think it must be the drill?  It is a corded hammer drill but from a budget range I admit.  On one hand I am happy it is obviously a solid base, but I also need to fit a bracket to lock the new bike to when I get it.  The base was made with scalpings and I can only imagine that I have hit a stone and that is what is causing the issues.

I have thought about hiring one of these for the day:

http://www.hss.com/g/2321/Heavy-Duty-Hammer-Driller.html (http://www.hss.com/g/2321/Heavy-Duty-Hammer-Driller.html)

Any thoughts?
Why 30mm? I have got a cheap 2.5Kg SDS+ drill which is quite good for drilling 25mm holes in concrete using the hammer action or 100mm holes using a diamond core drill. It struggles with the metre long bit I use to drill 25mm holes through 2 foot thick stone walls because the bit weighs almost as much as the drill ::).

I struggle to hold the drill when using the larger core bits, I'm not sure I would cope with a bigger one :-\

The hole needs to be 50mm deep but I gave up when it is was 25.  Plus I was going a little deaf.....what?!
Sorry missed the bit about 10mm dia. An SDS drill should have no trouble with 10mm holes but will slow down a bit if the scalpings are quartz or granite......
Title: Re: Drilling concrete
Post by: Gaffers on 23 February 2014, 22:18:51
The break in the weather allowed me to get outside and waterproof the base of the shed.  4 tubes of butyl rubber sealant later and the job was done.  I then got around to fixing it properly to the concrete base I made before Christmas and started to drill the 10mm holes. 4 dead drill bits and just one 30mm hole later I gave up.  Even upgrading to a heavy duty drill bit has not worked, I gave up when the drill itself started to smoke a little.

I can only think it must be the drill?  It is a corded hammer drill but from a budget range I admit.  On one hand I am happy it is obviously a solid base, but I also need to fit a bracket to lock the new bike to when I get it.  The base was made with scalpings and I can only imagine that I have hit a stone and that is what is causing the issues.

I have thought about hiring one of these for the day:

http://www.hss.com/g/2321/Heavy-Duty-Hammer-Driller.html (http://www.hss.com/g/2321/Heavy-Duty-Hammer-Driller.html)

Any thoughts?
Why 30mm? I have got a cheap 2.5Kg SDS+ drill which is quite good for drilling 25mm holes in concrete using the hammer action or 100mm holes using a diamond core drill. It struggles with the metre long bit I use to drill 25mm holes through 2 foot thick stone walls because the bit weighs almost as much as the drill ::).

I struggle to hold the drill when using the larger core bits, I'm not sure I would cope with a bigger one :-\

The hole needs to be 50mm deep but I gave up when it is was 25.  Plus I was going a little deaf.....what?!
Sorry missed the bit about 10mm dia. An SDS drill should have no trouble with 10mm holes but will slow down a bit if the scalpings are quartz or granite......

Yup  :-[
Title: Re: Drilling concrete
Post by: Andy H on 23 February 2014, 22:25:07
Eastleigh if you need it's not a problem

Very kind offer but I need it done tomorrow AM :y
How far are you from Screwfix?

Unit 2
Lawrence Way
Camberley
Surrey
GU15 3DL

This cheap SDS drill (http://www.screwfix.com/p/titan-ttb278sds-5kg-sds-drill-240v/97533) would do the job.
Title: Re: Drilling concrete
Post by: Vamps on 23 February 2014, 22:32:11
I notice a lot of chat about the drill, what about the bit's, I have had problems in the past, sorted by using good quality bit's............ :-\ :-\ :y
Title: Re: Drilling concrete
Post by: Gaffers on 23 February 2014, 22:48:33
Eastleigh if you need it's not a problem

Very kind offer but I need it done tomorrow AM :y
How far are you from Screwfix?

Unit 2
Lawrence Way
Camberley
Surrey
GU15 3DL

This cheap SDS drill (http://www.screwfix.com/p/titan-ttb278sds-5kg-sds-drill-240v/97533) would do the job.

There's one not far away.  Good spot + SDS drill bits included :y
Title: Re: Drilling concrete
Post by: Sir Tigger KC on 23 February 2014, 22:51:00
A decent SDS drill is an essential item in any self respecting chaps power tool collection!  8)
Title: Re: Drilling concrete
Post by: Gaffers on 23 February 2014, 22:52:22
A decent SDS drill is an essential item in any self respecting chaps power tool collection!  8)

Yes my budget drill has been battered and abused, but served it's purpose particularly well  :y
Title: Re: Drilling concrete
Post by: darrenfos on 23 February 2014, 22:54:09
Its not the make of drill its the type mine was under £100 and that was half price most come with a few bits.
Title: Re: Drilling concrete
Post by: 2woody on 23 February 2014, 23:01:16
RDX ?
Title: Re: Drilling concrete
Post by: Sir Tigger KC on 23 February 2014, 23:29:30
Its not the make of drill its the type mine was under £100 and that was half price most come with a few bits.

Mine's a B&Q special that was about £40 and I've had hours of 'fun' with it knocking off plaster and render, drilling holes and breaking up concrete and stuff!  ::) 

I tried it on a 7 inch concrete floor once and it just bounced!  :(  So I went and hired a big jackhammer!! Now that was fun!!  8)
Title: Re: Drilling concrete
Post by: AndyRoid on 23 February 2014, 23:54:55
Got a cordless Bosch (GBH-24) that will easily do the job if you need it Matt.
Title: Re: Drilling concrete
Post by: Gaffers on 24 February 2014, 00:06:43
Got a cordless Bosch (GBH-24) that will easily do the job if you need it Matt.

Thanks :y

I have one ordered from Screwfix, the heapy budget one I had needed to be replaced :-[
Title: Re: Drilling concrete
Post by: AndyRoid on 24 February 2014, 07:32:19
I've just had a thought, you aren't trying to drill this 10mm diameter hole in one go are you?

If so, I would suggest you start with a 5mm diameter drill bit and build up to 10mm.
Title: Re: Drilling concrete
Post by: Kevin Wood on 24 February 2014, 08:30:31
Mrs. KW works for a diamond drilling contractor if things get desperate. Will ask if she can "borrow" things out of the store if you are still in need?
Title: Re: Drilling concrete
Post by: Gaffers on 24 February 2014, 08:34:01
I've just had a thought, you aren't trying to drill this 10mm diameter hole in one go are you?

If so, I would suggest you start with a 5mm diameter drill bit and build up to 10mm.

It didn't matter what diameter drill bit I used it was going nowhere :(
Title: Re: Drilling concrete
Post by: zirk on 24 February 2014, 10:06:13
Drilling 10mm holes with an SDS Drill and Bit should be a piece of cake IMHO, stones or no stones, let the Hammer Action of the Drill do the work with some slight pressure from your Arm and Body.

Presumably your drilling down for fixings, if it was me I would be looking at  Chemical Bolt fixing and using Stainless Steel Threaded Rod and Bolts, not much more money and will last the life of the Shed.  :y
Title: Re: Drilling concrete
Post by: Gaffers on 24 February 2014, 10:37:26
It's a security device which is thatcham approved thus I have to use the supplied bolts.

This cheap SDS drill (http://www.screwfix.com/p/titan-ttb278sds-5kg-sds-drill-240v/97533) would do the job.

Went through the concrete like butter.  Thanks :y
Title: Re: Drilling concrete
Post by: CaptainZok on 24 February 2014, 11:38:27
Trying to frack the back garden now Nursie? ;D
Title: Re: Drilling concrete
Post by: aaronjb on 24 February 2014, 12:02:13
It's a security device which is thatcham approved thus I have to use the supplied bolts.

What are you keeping locked up in there, Matt?


Just so I know whether or not to pop over with the bolt croppers... ;D
Title: Re: Drilling concrete
Post by: 05omegav6 on 24 February 2014, 12:50:42
The break in the weather allowed me to get outside and waterproof the base of the shed.  4 tubes of butyl rubber sealant later and the job was done.  I then got around to fixing it properly to the concrete base I made before Christmas and started to drill the 10mm holes. 4 dead drill bits and just one 30mm hole later I gave up.  Even upgrading to a heavy duty drill bit has not worked, I gave up when the drill itself started to smoke a little.

I can only think it must be the drill?  It is a corded hammer drill but from a budget range I admit.  On one hand I am happy it is obviously a solid base, but I also need to fit a bracket to lock the new bike to when I get it.  The base was made with scalpings and I can only imagine that I have hit a stone and that is what is causing the issues.

I have thought about hiring one of these for the day:

http://www.hss.com/g/2321/Heavy-Duty-Hammer-Driller.html (http://www.hss.com/g/2321/Heavy-Duty-Hammer-Driller.html)

Any thoughts?
Why 30mm? I have got a cheap 2.5Kg SDS+ drill which is quite good for drilling 25mm holes in concrete using the hammer action or 100mm holes using a diamond core drill. It struggles with the metre long bit I use to drill 25mm holes through 2 foot thick stone walls because the bit weighs almost as much as the drill ::).

I struggle to hold the drill when using the larger core bits, I'm not sure I would cope with a bigger one :-\
Think Guffers means it's taken four 10mm drill bits to make a 30mm deep hole :y
Title: Re: Drilling concrete
Post by: Gaffers on 24 February 2014, 13:35:23
Trying to frack the back garden now Nursie? ;D

No need.  Fitting a pipe to my arse and feeding me copious amounts of curry would put Scotland out of the gas business
Title: Re: Drilling concrete
Post by: Gaffers on 24 February 2014, 13:35:53
It's a security device which is thatcham approved thus I have to use the supplied bolts.

What are you keeping locked up in there, Matt?


Just so I know whether or not to pop over with the bolt croppers... ;D

Erm..........your moma!  ;D
Title: Re: Drilling concrete
Post by: aaronjb on 24 February 2014, 14:39:31
It's a security device which is thatcham approved thus I have to use the supplied bolts.

What are you keeping locked up in there, Matt?


Just so I know whether or not to pop over with the bolt croppers... ;D

Erm..........your moma!  ;D

;D ;D

You wouldn't need to bolt her in there - just shut the door, trust me.. her arthritis should keep her at bay!  :P ;D