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Omega Help Area => Omega Electrical and Audio Help => Topic started by: Lagondanet on 02 March 2014, 18:56:21

Title: Aerial
Post by: Lagondanet on 02 March 2014, 18:56:21
Anyone any idea what kind of aerial this is and what it might have been used for?

https://www.dropbox.com/s/ll23krwt15u9942/Central%20Bedfordshire-20140301-00793.jpg
Title: Re: Aerial
Post by: 05omegav6 on 02 March 2014, 22:00:55
Pop the sunroof switch panel/motor cover off to see which side of the car it runs to, then have a rummage in the appropriate footwell, might find an identifiable plug on the end of it :-\
Title: Re: Aerial
Post by: zirk on 02 March 2014, 23:38:09
Its a 1/4 Wave Whip on a M5 50 Ohm Base, by the lentgh of it I would say for UHF (Lower end) Radio Comms or could be Tertra (Dolphin or Airwave) but doesn't look long enough to me.

If you measured the whip length (from where the top of the plastic base meets the hinge part) to the top of the whip (the plastic cap pulls off) I could work out its frequency and give you a better idea what it was used for, assuming of course who ever installed it, knew what they where doing.  ;) 
Title: Re: Aerial
Post by: dbug on 03 March 2014, 02:04:10
Anyone any idea what kind of aerial this is and what it might have been used for?

https://www.dropbox.com/s/ll23krwt15u9942/Central%20Bedfordshire-20140301-00793.jpg

 ;)

(http://dl.dropbox.com/s/ll23krwt15u9942/Central%20Bedfordshire-20140301-00793.jpg)
Title: Re: Aerial
Post by: Lagondanet on 03 March 2014, 21:10:56
Zirk

The whip length is 10.50 cm.
Title: Re: Aerial
Post by: zirk on 03 March 2014, 21:41:47
Zirk

The whip length is 10.50 cm.
No its not, I can tell its more than that just by looking at the picture.  ;)
Title: Re: Aerial
Post by: zirk on 03 March 2014, 21:47:38
As in my earlier post, are you measuring it from the top of the plastic Base, ie where the plactic base meets the lower metal hinge base to the top of the whip, in other words the hinge lower part and the whip holder form part of the overall lenght.  ;)
Title: Re: Aerial
Post by: Lagondanet on 03 March 2014, 22:06:47
I thought I might have had too much peach schnapps but have just measured it again with the top off to the top of the plastic cone (which unscrews) on the hinge. That is still 10.50?
Title: Re: Aerial
Post by: Lagondanet on 03 March 2014, 22:15:43
I suppose what I would call the plastic cone at the base of the whip and attached to the hinge would add another 3 cm.
Title: Re: Aerial
Post by: zirk on 04 March 2014, 10:29:59
(http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg299/zirk-photos/WhipLenght2.jpg)
Title: Re: Aerial
Post by: Lagondanet on 04 March 2014, 12:18:57
Nice picture Zirk. I'll get back to you this evening. Thanks for being gentle with me.
Title: Re: Aerial
Post by: Lagondanet on 04 March 2014, 18:42:29
13.50!
Title: Re: Aerial
Post by: zirk on 05 March 2014, 21:25:19
Works out to around 472 Mhz, so just at the top end of the Public available UHF Spectrum, (419 - 474) so probably a PMR or PAMR use.

Once you go above 474 Mhz, it goes Militry or MOD untill you hit the TV DVB Band a bit futher up. There is also some old Goverment and or Broadcast fixed links channels in there but we wont go into that one. ;)
Title: Re: Aerial
Post by: Lagondanet on 05 March 2014, 21:32:28
Thank you Zirk. I am in awe of your knowledge. I will let you know if I find out any more.
Title: Re: Aerial
Post by: zirk on 05 March 2014, 21:42:59
Thank you Zirk. I am in awe of your knowledge. I will let you know if I find out any more.
Your welcome, bet you wished you never axked now.  ;D
Title: Re: Aerial
Post by: minifreek on 06 March 2014, 07:19:02
Zirk.... are you a RadioHam...? Im a 2E0 but studying for my advanced later on in the year to get my Dads G6 call :)
Title: Re: Aerial
Post by: zirk on 06 March 2014, 08:40:48
Zirk.... are you a RadioHam...? Im a 2E0 but studying for my advanced later on in the year to get my Dads G6 call :)
No, well, kind of No.  :-\

last 35 years in the Radio Comms and Telecomms Industry, prior to that Sound Engineer, then Audio and Hi Fi.

Seem to remember I had one of those G8 Licences moons ago, but that all got thrown out the window (literally) when you have to work in the game.   ::)
Title: Re: Aerial
Post by: Lagondanet on 20 March 2014, 13:54:54
Member of first owner's family says it was used for a car tracking/security service. My earlier Omega (This/current one is 2002) had 'Tracker' fitted but with no visible aerial.
Title: Re: Aerial
Post by: zirk on 18 April 2014, 13:38:31
Member of first owner's family says it was used for a car tracking/security service. My earlier Omega (This/current one is 2002) had 'Tracker' fitted but with no visible aerial.
Probably used on the Securicor Datatrak Service then. Securicor developed their own AVL Service in the UK for their own Security Vans when early GPS System was deemed patchy or unreliable for non Military use. The Vans would pick up HF Beacons around the Country, calculated its position then transmit the Data back to Securicor Control Rooms via its own UHF Radio Network.

Having built its owm AVL Service, Securicor Datatrak would also Sub Rent its Services to 3rd Party Firms for increased revenue.

The System you had fitted, Tracker, was slightly different design, in as much a Tracker (AVL with Open Transmitter Data) would be hidden in the Vehicle, then activated by forced entry or remotely, transmit its location in real time on an open common frequencies so that the Police, Recovery or the Tracker Control Rooms could receive and Track the Data from the Vehicle. 

 
Title: Re: Aerial
Post by: Steve B on 18 April 2014, 17:27:19
Zirk.... are you a RadioHam...? Im a 2E0 but studying for my advanced later on in the year to get my Dads G6 call :)
No, well, kind of No.  :-\

last 35 years in the Radio Comms and Telecomms Industry, prior to that Sound Engineer, then Audio and Hi Fi.

Seem to remember I had one of those G8 Licences moons ago, but that all got thrown out the window (literally) when you have to work in the game.   ::)
Sorry for going off Topic.. Zirk why do these technics hifi amps IE:-SU-X902 (class A) and a few more ive had in the past always have the fan that is controlled by temp pack up, But its never the fan,But the board that runs it  :-\