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Title: whose fault?
Post by: Andy B on 01 April 2014, 08:54:13
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=kfS8iz2NaLE
Title: Re: whose fault?
Post by: henryd on 01 April 2014, 09:06:21
Well,the Mazda pulled out on the Lambo but the Lambo seemed to be travelling quite quickly ???
Title: Re: whose fault?
Post by: chrisgixer on 01 April 2014, 09:08:35
Why did there juuuuuust happen to be an HD camera looking at the Mazda?
Title: Re: whose fault?
Post by: Andy B on 01 April 2014, 09:10:11
Well,the Mazda pulled out on the Lambo but the Lambo seemed to be travelling quite quickly ???

and if you look, there's a Masserati of some kind just down the road. Who thinks they might have been playing silly buggers!  :-\
Title: Re: whose fault?
Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 01 April 2014, 09:20:48
Give way violation by the Mazda....
Title: Re: whose fault?
Post by: 05omegav6 on 01 April 2014, 09:23:23
The lambo driver didn't brake until after he hit the Mazda ::)

Granted the Mazda should probably not have pulled out, but an emergency stop from thirty in a car with tyres and brakes the size of the Aventadors could be measured in inches rather than yards :-\

Be interesting to see the cctv footage from the bus behind the Maserati too...
Title: Re: whose fault?
Post by: Sir Tigger KC on 01 April 2014, 09:24:40
He was obviously paying more attention to his blonde passenger than the road ahead!  ::)
Title: Re: whose fault?
Post by: minifreek on 01 April 2014, 13:59:44
Mazda's at fault, no matter how fast the Lambo was travelling (and it was slowing down before impact) the Lambo had right of way....
Title: Re: whose fault?
Post by: chrisgixer on 01 April 2014, 14:26:24
He was obviously paying more attention to his the view than the road ahead!  ::)

Fixed ;)
Title: Re: whose fault?
Post by: Kevin Wood on 01 April 2014, 14:39:55
Mazda's at fault, no matter how fast the Lambo was travelling (and it was slowing down before impact) the Lambo had right of way....

Up to the speed limit, yes. Beyond that, the Lambo driver's share of the liability increases rapidly, IMHO. You can't expect miss daisy sitting at a junction to anticipate you approaching it at three-figure leptons. If you're going to stretch the legs of your Lambo / whatever to that extent, you'd better have much better than average hazard perception, and be ready to accommodate less super-human road users accordingly. .. not to mention being prepared to take the rap if that strategy doesn't work for you.  ;)

Not saying that's necessarily the case in this instance...
Title: Re: whose fault?
Post by: omega3000 on 01 April 2014, 16:49:30
Lambo driver should have read our tyre threads and braking distances  ::)
Title: Re: whose fault?
Post by: D on 01 April 2014, 16:58:55
 Very often in London, you have to creep forward, to get a better view and due to bad traffic. I would say that although the Aventador has right of way, the fact that he/she was going so fast that he/she couldnt brake in a 30mph zone suggests he/she was going way too fast for the conditions and will have a significant proportion of blame to accept, perhaps more than the Mazda driver. Driving without due care comes to mind. Visibility is good, road surface is not wet, so no reason for a modern supercar being unable to perform an emergency braking manoeuvre.

The noise from the Lambo as well as the speed at which the car impacts, suggests speeding.

Edit: The brake lights dont come on till the second impact. Distracted Lambo driver, I think.
Title: Re: whose fault?
Post by: 05omegav6 on 01 April 2014, 17:34:58
No horn either...
Title: Re: whose fault?
Post by: chrisgixer on 01 April 2014, 17:39:58
Dosnt matter. Mazda has to give way.

Lambo might be in line for speeding offence, but fact is if the Mazda hadn't pulled out there'd be no prang.
Title: Re: whose fault?
Post by: 05omegav6 on 01 April 2014, 17:45:46
Dosnt matter. Mazda has to give way.

Lambo might be in line for speeding offence, but fact is if the Mazda hadn't pulled out there'd be no prang.
Yes but if the lambo driver had been a) not speeding, and b) paying attention, it would never have happened...

Have been in a similar prang, from the lambo drivers perspective. That was settled 50/50 plus my costs.

The only notable difference was that I slid into the third party, brakes locked, as I had reacted to the rapidly changing situation in front of me. Had my car had abs, I might not have hit them at all :-\
Title: Re: whose fault?
Post by: ronnyd on 01 April 2014, 23:06:41
Mazda every time. :o
Title: Re: whose fault?
Post by: chrisgixer on 01 April 2014, 23:31:16
Dosnt matter. Mazda has to give way.

Lambo might be in line for speeding offence, but fact is if the Mazda hadn't pulled out there'd be no prang.
Yes but if the lambo driver had been a) not speeding, and b) paying attention, it would never have happened...

Have been in a similar prang, from the lambo drivers perspective. That was settled 50/50 plus my costs.

The only notable difference was that I slid into the third party, brakes locked, as I had reacted to the rapidly changing situation in front of me. Had my car had abs, I might not have hit them at all :-\

Not the old 50/50 scam. Surely not.

Like I said. Mazda at fault. Having the right of way counts. Regardless of what insurers say. They are full of it.

Who was your insurer?

And who was the other parties insurer?
Title: Re: whose fault?
Post by: Kevin Wood on 02 April 2014, 00:03:07
Lambo driver was going way too fast given the number of hazards present on that stretch of road. He should think himself lucky it wasn't a kid running out in front of him. Mazda driver should have given way, and the lambo wasn't going so quick that you could forgive him for that. Knock for knock would be the fair outcome in my eyes.
Title: Re: whose fault?
Post by: 05omegav6 on 02 April 2014, 01:13:03
I don't recall... twas 16 years ago ::)

Might have been RSA :-\ Solicitor at the time advised me to accept 50/50 as I had failed to anticipate an oncoming vehicle slowing to invite/allow third party to pull accross my path, and I was obviously speeding as I had failed to stop in time. He didn't seem to think I would fair too well in court on that basis, so I took him at his word, took the cheque and ran...
Title: Re: whose fault?
Post by: cd 2.2 on 02 April 2014, 01:23:40
I say Lambo drivers fault! He was obviously distracted by the hideous hairdo that his passenger had ... So much so that he never saw the Mazda on the approach to the possibly obscured junction, took no avoiding action whatsoever until it was far too late and to top it all off was going far too fast in a built up area with all sorts of other problems such as pedestrians (we all know how stupid they can be) !

He should get 90% of the blame and his passenger 10%  ;D ... That kind of hair should be illegal  :D

And besides which the Mazda was well out of the junction before the Lambo even hit it imho
Title: Re: whose fault?
Post by: dbug on 02 April 2014, 01:31:06
Major part of blame goes to Mazda driver - should not have pulled out across main road without looking properly