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Chat Area => General Car Chat => Topic started by: Auto Addict on 11 April 2014, 07:16:20
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Seems to last about 500/600 miles, and they go out of balance again, around 70 mph.
....and no, I don't kerb them, and haven't lost any weights.
Omega seemed to last forever.
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That will be tyre based problem, try swopping front to back,if it does it again,try for a warranty claim on the tyres,depending on the age and tread left will depend on % refunded and weather its a valid claim :y
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Yep, tyres or perhaps the wheel's out of true?
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I've swopped the fronts to the back, had them all rebalanced, and it's still happens.
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I've had the same issue with my 18" Good Year Assymetric 2's. The solution was to have them balanced on a Hunter 9700 device, that one also add's some pressure on the thread of the tyre, kinda simulating it is driving on the road. After that my problem was solved.
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I've had the same issue with my 18" Good Year Assymetric 2's. The solution was to have them balanced on a Hunter 9700 device, that one also add's some pressure on the thread of the tyre, kinda simulating it is driving on the road. After that my problem was solved.
I'll try that, there's a place quite near.
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I've had the same issue with my 18" Good Year Assymetric 2's. The solution was to have them balanced on a Hunter 9700 device, that one also add's some pressure on the thread of the tyre, kinda simulating it is driving on the road. After that my problem was solved.
I'll try that, there's a place quite near.
Would be interested in feedback as had a problem with my wife's fronts - mind you I have always had a problem with "them"...
We only got 15000 out of them.
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Would be interested in feedback as had a problem with my wife's fronts .....
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Is this the right forum & wouldn't your wife object if you discussed her fronts on an open public forum? ::) ::) ::)
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I have faced this problem on my ex cars when wheel center have some extra space to move.. ( wheels not original)
you may need a very thin metal/plastic ring in between imo
or even 2-3 layers of plastic strap around the center may solve..
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I would have thought that a stud mount for the wheels on the balance setup would overcome a centre error?
Of course I suspect thus far they have been balanced using a centre mount?
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and also next time when balancing check/ask how much grams of weight they use.. if more than 30 grams/tyre there is something wrong ..
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I would have thought that a stud mount for the wheels on the balance setup would overcome a centre error?
Of course I suspect thus far they have been balanced using a centre mount?
Correct.
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Shortly after I bought it, I noticed the front wheels had gone out of balance.
Had all four wheels balanced, shortly after that, again the front wheels went out of balance.
Had the fronts re-balanced, and swopped to the back, the back were still perfectly balanced, now on the front.
Now they've gone out of balance again.
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Seems to last about 500/600 miles, and they go out of balance again, around 70 mph.
....and no, I don't kerb them, and haven't lost any weights.
Omega seemed to last forever.
:o :o I'm shocked you go that fast AA.....you always said you never went over 40mph :-\
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and also next time when balancing check/ask how much grams of weight they use.. if more than 30 grams/tyre there is something wrong ..
Why is that cem?? I had my back wheels balanced a while back......to sort out a backend vibration at about 65-70mph.......they used 50grams of weight on one wheel and 75g on the other......it sorted the vibration out :y
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and also next time when balancing check/ask how much grams of weight they use.. if more than 30 grams/tyre there is something wrong ..
Why is that cem?? I had my back wheels balanced a while back......to sort out a backend vibration at about 65-70mph.......they used 50grams of weight on one wheel and 75g on the other......it sorted the vibration out :y
Al, in all those years I have changed probably more than 20 tyre fitters excluding the urgency cases.. any brand new tyre esp the premiums can easily be balanced under 30 grams if tyre fitted correctly.. (sometimes the tyre walls dont stick properly because of old crap on the wheel- so every time either I or tyre fitter sands the walls )
on any occasion it required more, I asked the tyre fitter to deflate and turn the tyre around the wheel and also check for any buckles
it was either solved by turning the tyre or correcting the buckle or very very rarely tyre or wheel was faulty (only one time with a chineese brand wheel 40 grams)..
honestly no other case.. :y
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That man, he called Dave ::)
Could it be a brake disc or wheel bearing issue :-\
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That man, he called Dave ::)
Could it be a brake disc or wheel bearing issue :-\
you may not believe what I did say.. but if I were you , I would query about the weight used.. end of
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Taxi Al is called, oddly enough, Al.
Taxi Driver is called Dave. Believe it or not...
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Taxi Al is called, oddly enough, Al.
Taxi Driver is called Dave. Believe it or not...
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opps :-[ taxi XXXX all mixed up ;D :y
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Seems to last about 500/600 miles, and they go out of balance again, around 70 mph.
....and no, I don't kerb them, and haven't lost any weights.
Omega seemed to last forever.
Balanced off the car I presume. May be worth getting them balanced on the car - solved a problem on my old TR6 of recurring "out of balance" over 100mph and up to 115mph - was ok below/above that range ;)
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Tyre slipping on the rim?
And or, 5 stud balancer as suggested.
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The question is, why do they keep going out of balance?
Each time I've had them balanced, they've been OK for 500/600 miles.
I've jacked it up and can find no play anywhere, car has only done 26k.
I don't want to have an expensive 5 stud balance if the same thing happens again.
If as Chris suggested, tyre is slipping on the rim, that would mean all four are slipping, as I've swopped fronts to rears.
Rears do not go out of balance.
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That might point to a drivetrain issue :-\ guessing the full fat 160 slushbox?
Proper handbrake or an electric one :-\ if that is binding slightly, then the torque could cause a slight slip on the front tyres as the transmission loads against the brake... have noticed that with mine, that if you get the revs slightly off then it strains a bit then releases all of a sudden.
The threshold is about 1000rpm on the manual. Might be worth having them rebalanced, then only move off in the following way...
1. Selector in Park.
2. Foot Brake on.
3. Handbrake off.
4. Into gear, (forward or reverse).
5. Release foot brake and drive off.
When you stop, reverse the process.
Only use the hand brake once the car is stopped and in Park, and only put the car in gear with the Hand Brake off.
Should eliminate the problem if the wheels are indeed slipping within the tyres :-\
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Lat paragraph needs clarifying there AA
Do you mean all 4 slipping at once? In which case that would mean it's occurring on the brakes. As yours is gay wheel drive.
Or do you mean all for have slipped, having been on the front at some point?
Guessing the latter?
Tyres slipping on the rim is quite rare for road cars these days. Ususlly reserved for high power vehicles. ...unless of course your towing a small planet behind the car.
Rare as bit may be, struggling to think if any other cause. A tyre can't go out of balance in such a short distance without an equal amount if weight added on re balance falling off or being scrubbed off the tread.
On re balancing, was the weight the same on both occasions? If so, I'd have to say the tyre has slipped round the wheel. As the weight .....
No, that's bollards as I'm thinking they'd have to re seat the tyre in the original position. Which they wouldn't do on re balancing. Sorry ignore above.
Is the red dot (or yellow dot forget which) still in line with the valve?
Might be worth a small dot with a marker pen on the wheel so you can see if it still lines up with a distinguishing mark on the tyre after a few miles.
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Surely the Pikey Palace would cause the front to become lighter, so if anything, the tyres would slip on the road surface rather than in the rim :-\
Of those 6-700 miles, how many are whilst towing :-\
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Had them set up on a Hunter machine this morning, will see how it goes from here.
They said bring it back if it occurs again, and they will investigate further.
Difficult to say how much towing, as the van's been laid up for the winter, although we did go off in it about 3 weeks ago, about 190 mile round trip, comes in ever so slightly at around 60 mph with the van on the back
Off again next week for a long weekend.
Got a good solo motorway trip next Tues or Weds.
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are the wheels new or how much miles you have used them ?
also the center bore play cant be felt by hand ..
one of my friends had a similiar problem and after trying/visiting several places I brought him to a friend and all 4 wheels had very slight buckles and need to be corrected..
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are the wheels new or how much miles you have used them ?
also the center bore play cant be felt by hand ..
one of my friends had a similiar problem and after trying/visiting several places I brought him to a friend and all 4 wheels had very slight buckles and need to be corrected..
Tyres have done 26k, still well within the legal limit.
Hunter machine didn't pick up any defects in tyres or rims.
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Such defects would surely be apparent from the get go :-\
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are the wheels new or how much miles you have used them ?
also the center bore play cant be felt by hand ..
one of my friends had a similiar problem and after trying/visiting several places I brought him to a friend and all 4 wheels had very slight buckles and need to be corrected..
Tyres have done 26k, still well within the legal limit.
Hunter machine didn't pick up any defects in tyres or rims.
approx 38-40 K kms.. tyres are at the end of their life.. but still my bet is on the wheels.. having problem at 60 mph is a classic balance problem..
can you have a balance with tyres on the car ?
my tyre shop balances my car at around 180-190 kms/hr (on the car) ( I admit its too risky)
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seems you are not alone :(
http://www.autoinsider.co.uk/problems/show.php?problem=14291
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are the wheels new or how much miles you have used them ?
also the center bore play cant be felt by hand ..
one of my friends had a similiar problem and after trying/visiting several places I brought him to a friend and all 4 wheels had very slight buckles and need to be corrected..
Tyres have done 26k, still well within the legal limit.
Hunter machine didn't pick up any defects in tyres or rims.
approx 38-40 K kms.. tyres are at the end of their life.. but still my bet is on the wheels.. having problem at 60 mph is a classic balance problem..
can you have a balance with tyres on the car ?
my tyre shop balances my car at around 180-190 kms/hr (on the car) ( I admit its too risky)
No-one seems to do that anymore around here.
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The question is, why do they keep going out of balance?
Each time I've had them balanced, they've been OK for 500/600 miles.
I've jacked it up and can find no play anywhere, car has only done 26k.
I don't want to have an expensive 5 stud balance if the same thing happens again.
If as Chris suggested, tyre is slipping on the rim, that would mean all four are slipping, as I've swopped fronts to rears.
Rears do not go out of balance.
That shouldnt cost anymore.....all they do is change the centre balance adaptor to a studded adaptor :y .....but not all tyre places have the adaptor....
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The question is, why do they keep going out of balance?
Each time I've had them balanced, they've been OK for 500/600 miles.
I've jacked it up and can find no play anywhere, car has only done 26k.
I don't want to have an expensive 5 stud balance if the same thing happens again.
If as Chris suggested, tyre is slipping on the rim, that would mean all four are slipping, as I've swopped fronts to rears.
Rears do not go out of balance.
That shouldnt cost anymore.....all they do is change the centre balance adaptor to a studded adaptor :y .....but not all tyre places have the adaptor....
The Hunter system is different to standard balancing systems.
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Can't get my head around this. When you take your wheels back to be re-balanced, do they check if they are out of balance and by how much? Tyres that have been balanced shouldn't be out again after 500 miles.
I mean, if I had a wheel balanced and it was out after 500, then the 'fitter' should be saying that there must be an external influence, esp. as it's probably on the same wheel.
This could be an absolute swine to sort out.
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are the wheels new or how much miles you have used them ?
also the center bore play cant be felt by hand ..
one of my friends had a similiar problem and after trying/visiting several places I brought him to a friend and all 4 wheels had very slight buckles and need to be corrected..
Tyres have done 26k, still well within the legal limit.
Hunter machine didn't pick up any defects in tyres or rims.
approx 38-40 K kms.. tyres are at the end of their life.. but still my bet is on the wheels.. having problem at 60 mph is a classic balance problem..
can you have a balance with tyres on the car ?
my tyre shop balances my car at around 180-190 kms/hr (on the car) ( I admit its too risky)
No-one seems to do that anymore around here.
its also getting rare here.. :( most shops now do it on machine and end with a crappy job
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Can't get my head around this. When you take your wheels back to be re-balanced, do they check if they are out of balance and by how much? Tyres that have been balanced shouldn't be out again after 500 miles.
I mean, if I had a wheel balanced and it was out after 500, then the 'fitter' should be saying that there must be an external influence, esp. as it's probably on the same wheel.
This could be an absolute swine to sort out.
I hope not :(
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Can't get my head around this. When you take your wheels back to be re-balanced, do they check if they are out of balance and by how much? Tyres that have been balanced shouldn't be out again after 500 miles.
I mean, if I had a wheel balanced and it was out after 500, then the 'fitter' should be saying that there must be an external influence, esp. as it's probably on the same wheel.
This could be an absolute swine to sort out.
I agree, wheels shouldnt go out of balance.....if the tyres slip on the rim, then they would be going flat as the air escapes....and its not something ive come accross tbh.
The only way i can see wheels going out of balance, is if you loose weights....i assume the wheels are alloy and the fitters are using stick on weights.....if so, then this is common to loose weights.
Its also worth checking that the fitters remove all the old weights first and just dont keep adding weights to the old ones already fitted.....that can cause problems :y
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Can't get my head around this. When you take your wheels back to be re-balanced, do they check if they are out of balance and by how much? Tyres that have been balanced shouldn't be out again after 500 miles.
I mean, if I had a wheel balanced and it was out after 500, then the 'fitter' should be saying that there must be an external influence, esp. as it's probably on the same wheel.
This could be an absolute swine to sort out.
I agree, wheels shouldnt go out of balance.....if the tyres slip on the rim, then they would be going flat as the air escapes....and its not something ive come accross tbh.
The only way i can see wheels going out of balance, is if you loose weights....i assume the wheels are alloy and the fitters are using stick on weights.....if so, then this is common to loose weights.
Its also worth checking that the fitters remove all the old weights first and just dont keep adding weights to the old ones already fitted.....that can cause problems :y
All weights removed, inside of wheels cleaned, new weights added.
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Just wondering, what tyres fitted? Presume still oe? As top of the range tyres need little balancing, rarely more than 30grams. Where as a linglong I have here has nearer 130 odd and a strip of weights 6inches long.
Rim slip doesn't necessarily mean deflation. Any tyre will eventually slip if enough force is applied. Thing is within the realms of passenger cars, that amount of force should be well out of reach of insignia.
But what else could cause it?
Tyre slip. Unlikely to be factory fit related. Maybe a fault if aftermarket tyres fitted, and a faulty tyre soap used. A tyres seal could be a solution, like they used for corroded rims, to practically glue the tyre on.
Balance, as said it can't go out of balance unless an amount of volume has changed. (Unless its rim slip)
Something in the wheel. If its run flat there could be balls of rubber granules within, but that would be impossible to balance up in the first place. Loose tpms sensor perhaps? Are they a band type strapped to the wheel rim?
Ditto tyre Weld gunk.
Is it defo balanced correctly? Or is it something that taks a week or so to show up when finally a motorway trip shows the problem?
What was the error on the balancer when re checked? How far out ?
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Tpms on these is a valve based one...
http://www.ebay.com/itm/GM-OEM-22854866-Tire-Pressure-Monitor-Tpms-Sensor-/261441377489?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&fits=Make%3ABuick%7CModel%3ARegal&hash=item3cdf1ed4d1&vxp=mtr
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First real test today since the Hunter set up, car was superb on the motorway :y
Better than it's ever been :y
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First real test today since the Hunter set up, car was superb on the motorway :y
Better than it's ever been :y
Good. Let's hope that's the end of it.
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First real test today since the Hunter set up, car was superb on the motorway :y
Better than it's ever been :y
Done 600 miles yet?
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First real test today since the Hunter set up, car was superb on the motorway :y
Better than it's ever been :y
Done 600 miles yet?
Not quite.
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First real test today since the Hunter set up, car was superb on the motorway :y
Better than it's ever been :y
Done 600 miles yet?
Not quite.
Done about 1000 miles since the Hunter balance, seems to have cured it :y
Passed it's first MOT with flying colours as well :y
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First real test today since the Hunter set up, car was superb on the motorway :y
Better than it's ever been :y
Done 600 miles yet?
Not quite.
Done about 1000 miles since the Hunter balance, seems to have cured it :y
Passed it's first MOT with flying colours as well :y
I should think so.
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Im pleased to hear it's sorted AA :y
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First real test today since the Hunter set up, car was superb on the motorway :y
Better than it's ever been :y
Done 600 miles yet?
More to the point have you done 60 MPH yet? ;D ;D
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;D yes it would imply they where not balanced correctly to start with, and it's taken our pikey pensioner a while to notice....
....600 miles to get up to speed is.... ....not bad. ;D
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More to the point have you done 60 MPH yet? ;D ;D
The queue behind the burger van gets too short if he drives that fast!
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First real test today since the Hunter set up, car was superb on the motorway :y
Better than it's ever been :y
Done 600 miles yet?
More to the point have you done 60 MPH yet? ;D ;D
Got it up to 62 mph, white knuckle job ;)
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First real test today since the Hunter set up, car was superb on the motorway :y
Better than it's ever been :y
Done 600 miles yet?
More to the point have you done 60 MPH yet? ;D ;D
Got it up to 62 mph, white knuckle job ;)
Take no notice, Barry. Us plodders don't have accidents. We cause plenty, but seem to be able to slip away unscathed. ;D
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First real test today since the Hunter set up, car was superb on the motorway :y
Better than it's ever been :y
Done 600 miles yet?
More to the point have you done 60 MPH yet? ;D ;D
Got it up to 62 mph, white knuckle job ;)
Take no notice, Barry. Us plodders don't have accidents. We cause plenty, but seem to be able to slip away unscathed. ;D
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