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Title: please read this
Post by: cem_devecioglu on 04 June 2014, 22:23:56

if you have time

"Vincent Zannoni at the University of Michigan Medical School has shown that vitamin C protects the liver.  Even doses as low as 500 milligrams daily helps prevent fatty buildup and cirrhosis. 5,000 mg of vitamin C per day appears to actually flush fats from the liver. (Ritter, M. "Study Says Vitamin C Could Cut Liver Damage," Associated Press, October 11, 1986)  And vitamin C over 50,000 mg/day (not a misprint) results in patients feeling better in just a few days, and actually eliminates jaundice in under a week. (Cathcart, Robert F. III (1981) The method of determining proper doses of vitamin C for the treatment of disease by titrating to bowel tolerance. Journal of Orthomolecular Psychiatry. 10:125-132.)  Frederick Klenner, MD, found that such huge doses of vitamin C had his patients recovered and back to work in under a week. (Klenner, Frederick R. (1971) Observations on the dose of administration of ascorbic acid when employed beyond the range of a vitamin in human pathology. Journal of Applied Nutrition. 23(3 and 4), pp 61-68, Winter.) These and additional references are found in the highly-recommended book by Melvyn Werbach, M.D. (1988) Nutritional Influences on Illness
New Canaan, CT: Keats Publishing. "


and this

http://www.doctoryourself.com/titration.html (http://www.doctoryourself.com/titration.html)

and tell me your opinion(s) please :y
Title: Re: please read this
Post by: cleggy on 04 June 2014, 22:35:28
OH DEAR. Something for the Daily Fail when they run out of news. :( :( :( ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: please read this
Post by: cem_devecioglu on 04 June 2014, 22:41:13
OH DEAR. Something for the Daily Fail when they run out of news. :( :( :( ;D ;D ;D






then can you tell me what makes you think its suitable for daily fail  ::)
Title: Re: please read this
Post by: Rods2 on 04 June 2014, 22:49:56
Interesting, I never knew that. :y
Title: Re: please read this
Post by: cleggy on 04 June 2014, 22:50:51
Simples, it prints this sort of rubbish on a no news day. ;)
Title: Re: please read this
Post by: ozzycat on 04 June 2014, 23:45:50
it would be better if it protected or heals kidneys i speak from experience as my kidneys are fubard thanks to diabetes   
Title: Re: please read this
Post by: biggriffin on 05 June 2014, 09:02:21
Doctor/consultant...interweb tut Dr cem strikes again...

funny how the team who are treating me haven't mentioned this ground breakink interweb study...... :(,i wonder why?
Title: Re: please read this
Post by: aaronjb on 05 June 2014, 09:23:50
While we're quoting random Internet pages, then..

Quote
For adults, the recommended dietary reference intake for vitamin C is 65 to 90 milligrams (mg) a day, and the upper limit is 2,000 mg a day. Although too much dietary vitamin C is unlikely to be harmful, megadoses of vitamin C supplements may cause:

Diarrhea
Nausea
Vomiting
Heartburn
Abdominal bloating and cramps
Headache
Insomnia
Kidney stones
Remember, for most people, a healthy diet provides an adequate amount of vitamin C.

http://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-living/nutrition-and-healthy-eating/expert-answers/vitamin-c/faq-20058030


I do know one person who - at the onset of a cold - takes a large enough dose of Vitamin C that it causes his body to eject it's contents (see first three symptoms above) and swears blind that's what cures his cold in double quick time..
Title: Re: please read this
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 05 June 2014, 10:24:27
As my ferritin levels have been low lately I've started to take 'a potion'  ::)  called Vitabiotics Feroglobin B12.......as suggested by Mr Guffer. :y

Each gobful  gives me 20 mg of vitamin C, apparently. :y
Title: Re: please read this
Post by: Rog on 05 June 2014, 12:02:17

So . . . . . . .

If I read this correctly, I can increase my Merlot consumption without increased risk, providing I compensate with the appropriate amount of Vit C ?   ;)  RESULT  :y
Title: Re: please read this
Post by: biggriffin on 05 June 2014, 12:38:45
As my ferritin levels have been low lately I've started to take 'a potion'  ::)  called Vitabiotics Feroglobin B12.......as suggested by Mr Guffer. :y

Each gobful  gives me 20 mg of vitamin C, apparently. :y

rr herr doktor iam on the same jollop aswell was recommended to me by the blood people at the hopital,as it does work,..
 and i didn't even consult or resident Dr intweb cem..  ;D
Title: Re: please read this
Post by: cem_devecioglu on 05 June 2014, 15:58:05
Doctor/consultant...interweb tut Dr cem strikes again...

funny how the team who are treating me haven't mentioned this ground breakink interweb study...... :( ,i wonder why?






yep.. thats a good question and deserves some thought.. but always I have been suspicious about that drug industry.. if c vitamin can cure/prevent many things it would cut their profits drastically :-\
Title: Re: please read this
Post by: cem_devecioglu on 05 June 2014, 16:00:20

So . . . . . . .

If I read this correctly, I can increase my Merlot consumption without increased risk, providing I compensate with the appropriate amount of Vit C ?   ;)  RESULT  :y




 ::) ;D
Title: Re: please read this
Post by: cem_devecioglu on 05 June 2014, 16:01:37
As my ferritin levels have been low lately I've started to take 'a potion'  ::)  called Vitabiotics Feroglobin B12.......as suggested by Mr Guffer. :y

Each gobful  gives me 20 mg of vitamin C, apparently. :y


for the last 10 years I have used around 3000 mg for my fathers problems.. and he is still alive :) 


and never faced kidney stone problems.. as claimed by health pros ???


ps: although changing doses from time to time..
Title: Re: please read this
Post by: cem_devecioglu on 05 June 2014, 16:03:33
of course one point must never be neglected.. standard treatments must be done .. but c vitamin definitely helps the healing process :y
Title: Re: please read this
Post by: Rods2 on 05 June 2014, 19:21:44
While we're quoting random Internet pages, then..

Quote
For adults, the recommended dietary reference intake for vitamin C is 65 to 90 milligrams (mg) a day, and the upper limit is 2,000 mg a day. Although too much dietary vitamin C is unlikely to be harmful, megadoses of vitamin C supplements may cause:

Diarrhea
Nausea
Vomiting
Heartburn
Abdominal bloating and cramps
Headache
Insomnia
Kidney stones
Remember, for most people, a healthy diet provides an adequate amount of vitamin C.

http://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-living/nutrition-and-healthy-eating/expert-answers/vitamin-c/faq-20058030


I do know one person who - at the onset of a cold - takes a large enough dose of Vitamin C that it causes his body to eject it's contents (see first three symptoms above) and swears blind that's what cures his cold in double quick time..

Best thing to suppress a cold if you take them quick enough is sucking zinc tablets as it is medically proven to stop the cold virus from breeding, so your immune system can attack and kill them before they spread. :y
Title: Re: please read this
Post by: Stemo on 05 June 2014, 19:23:48
While we're quoting random Internet pages, then..

Quote
For adults, the recommended dietary reference intake for vitamin C is 65 to 90 milligrams (mg) a day, and the upper limit is 2,000 mg a day. Although too much dietary vitamin C is unlikely to be harmful, megadoses of vitamin C supplements may cause:

Diarrhea
Nausea
Vomiting
Heartburn
Abdominal bloating and cramps
Headache
Insomnia
Kidney stones
Remember, for most people, a healthy diet provides an adequate amount of vitamin C.

http://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-living/nutrition-and-healthy-eating/expert-answers/vitamin-c/faq-20058030


I do know one person who - at the onset of a cold - takes a large enough dose of Vitamin C that it causes his body to eject it's contents (see first three symptoms above) and swears blind that's what cures his cold in double quick time..

Best thing to suppress a cold if you take them quick enough is sucking zinc tablets as it is medically proven to stop the cold virus from breeding, so your immune system can attack and kill them before they spread. :y
Nah. Bottle of whiskey.
Title: Re: please read this
Post by: chrisgixer on 05 June 2014, 19:28:36
I prescribe brandy for any form of cold.

Although Dr21 does a blinding hot tody :y
Title: Re: please read this
Post by: D on 06 June 2014, 00:44:23
While we're quoting random Internet pages, then..

Quote
For adults, the recommended dietary reference intake for vitamin C is 65 to 90 milligrams (mg) a day, and the upper limit is 2,000 mg a day. Although too much dietary vitamin C is unlikely to be harmful, megadoses of vitamin C supplements may cause:

Diarrhea
Nausea
Vomiting
Heartburn
Abdominal bloating and cramps
Headache
Insomnia
Kidney stones
Remember, for most people, a healthy diet provides an adequate amount of vitamin C.

http://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-living/nutrition-and-healthy-eating/expert-answers/vitamin-c/faq-20058030


That is actually a decent link.

Isnt it odd that the latest research link in the OP is 28 years old (1986). Make of that what you will.
Title: Re: please read this
Post by: chrisgixer on 06 June 2014, 01:15:18
Dr D. A pleasure to make your acquaintance :) . We must swap address, I shall instruct my secretary to call your office for referral purposes and we can keep each other in a good living.

Maybe we will strike up a better working relationship, I've had no business from that Dr Opti fellow. I think he's a Rogue trader meself. :(
Title: Re: please read this
Post by: cem_devecioglu on 06 June 2014, 12:57:53
While we're quoting random Internet pages, then..

Quote
For adults, the recommended dietary reference intake for vitamin C is 65 to 90 milligrams (mg) a day, and the upper limit is 2,000 mg a day. Although too much dietary vitamin C is unlikely to be harmful, megadoses of vitamin C supplements may cause:

Diarrhea
Nausea
Vomiting
Heartburn
Abdominal bloating and cramps
Headache
Insomnia
Kidney stones
Remember, for most people, a healthy diet provides an adequate amount of vitamin C.

http://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-living/nutrition-and-healthy-eating/expert-answers/vitamin-c/faq-20058030 (http://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-living/nutrition-and-healthy-eating/expert-answers/vitamin-c/faq-20058030)


That is actually a decent link.

Isnt it odd that the latest research link in the OP is 28 years old (1986). Make of that what you will.


most vaccines thats in use are older than a hundred years old,  do you think they are outdated :)


most physics principles are older than 300-400 years old and some even older..
could we proove they were wrong to date ;)
Title: Re: please read this
Post by: cem_devecioglu on 06 June 2014, 13:03:15
and as for the explanation of mayoclinic of daily 2 grs limit.. thats really outdated ;D
Title: Re: please read this
Post by: chrisgixer on 06 June 2014, 13:04:53
and as for the explanation of mayoclinic of daily 2 grs limit.. thats really outdated ;D

Hmmm, let me check your temperature....
Title: Re: please read this
Post by: cem_devecioglu on 06 June 2014, 13:09:09
and as for the explanation of mayoclinic of daily 2 grs limit.. thats really outdated ;D

Hmmm, let me check your temperature....


first you check yours ;D :P
Title: Re: please read this
Post by: chrisgixer on 06 June 2014, 13:10:32
and as for the explanation of mayoclinic of daily 2 grs limit.. thats really outdated ;D

Hmmm, let me check your temperature....


first you check yours ;D :P

I'm the Dr here thank-you. Now open wide, and under he tongue.
Title: Re: please read this
Post by: chrisgixer on 06 June 2014, 13:16:17
...as I thought, a little high.
Title: Re: please read this
Post by: cem_devecioglu on 06 June 2014, 13:28:45
and as for the explanation of mayoclinic of daily 2 grs limit.. thats really outdated ;D

Hmmm, let me check your temperature....


first you check yours ;D :P

I'm the Dr here thank-you. Now open wide, and under he tongue.


you know that I'm always scared from doctors ;D  they finger you whenever they catch ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: please read this
Post by: chrisgixer on 06 June 2014, 15:17:59
So your not a Dr then cem?
Title: Re: please read this
Post by: biggriffin on 06 June 2014, 15:27:37
So your not a Dr then cem?

don't call you speedy for nothing do they. :)