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Omega Help Area => Omega Electrical and Audio Help => Topic started by: amba on 21 June 2014, 16:30:07
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Will the gps side of the system only acquire a satelite fix with the disc inserted or will the unit have the "green gps" illuninated even without disc .?
Despite my disc being cleaned within an inch of its life and is totally spotless ,the HU keeps rejecting it and advising disc is dirty and needs cleaning.Any ideas as to fault...genuine disc which has worked perfectly for many months
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Will the gps side of the system only acquire a satelite fix with the disc inserted or will the unit have the "green gps" illuninated even without disc .?
Despite my disc being cleaned within an inch of its life and is totally spotless ,the HU keeps rejecting it and advising disc is dirty and needs cleaning.Any ideas as to fault...genuine disc which has worked perfectly for many months
As far as I can remember, assuming the Software has been loaded on it, it should show a Good or Bad GPS with no Disc, could be a laser issue, does it play a CD if you insert one in there, you need to push the CDC Button under the Eject to make it work from memory.
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Cheers Chris.
Will give that a try.Bought a cable crimper and a couple of RG58 sma connecters to try my mod.
Cut both the existing RG58 black cables after they exited the blue socket and fitted sma plugs to each end .All good I hoped after soldering thin brass center core sleeve and crimping the body .So far so good but then the success failed again.Tried both puls into my new gps aerial and still not finding a gps signal as green ligth not illuminating nor showing "active"
Inserted disc and despite being spotless it kept getting spat out and message advising disc needed cleaning .
Back to square 1 really as still not picking up gps signal.Might have a look at the back of the HU as maybe something has gone wrong there although it has nort been touched.
Assuming if laser is faulty would this result it not picking up a gps signal ?
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Well that wasnt a raging success.
Took advise and inserted an audio cd into the gps disc slot..absolutely zilch..wouldnt paly disc despite pressing buttons as advised and just to crown it the audio disc is now stuck in the gps disc slot and will not eject .Pressed r/h button to eject disc but nothing is happening.
Audio cd now stuck in gps slot ..will not play and will not eject..Help guys please :o
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Well that wasnt a raging success.
Took advise and inserted an audio cd into the gps disc slot..absolutely zilch..wouldnt paly disc despite pressing buttons as advised and just to crown it the audio disc is now stuck in the gps disc slot and will not eject .Pressed r/h button to eject disc but nothing is happening.
Audio cd now stuck in gps slot ..will not play and will not eject..Help guys please :o
Can you here it making an effort to release it?, could be it got confused, reset with Power Lead at the back of HU or a Battery off for while might be worth a try. :-\
Did it really say Disk needs Cleaning?, never had that, only ever had Cant Read Disc or something.
For future reference your crimp tool should have a tiny hole next to the hole you use for the outer coax crimp, the small one is to crimp the centre pin. ;)
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Will try disconnecting battery and reconnect after a while.Dont really fancy pulling out the HU at the moment although that course may be necessary if things dont go to plan.
With audio disc in it is making any noise so looks like it is really stuck.When the gps disc was inserted earlier it stayed in for about 20 seconds then popped out.Stayed out for a short while and the unit pulled it back and the cycle started over again.
Screen gave the message disc was dirty and required cleaning,it then pushed the disc out.I have cleaned disc with proper cleaning pads and fluid but still tells me disc is dirty.
Thanks for tip on small center core crimping..good old google advised a small wipe of solder was the best way to secure the center pin so thats what I did and they all did seem quite secure.
Just need to get audio disc out..then maybe HU requires a new laser ? although still doesnt explain why HU wont pick up ant satelites
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Absolute worst case you can remove the disc from the Sat Nav slot when its out by removing the top cover, did it once but dont ask me how as it was a good few years back now.
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The fact that it was spitting out the Sat Nav Disc before it eat the CD kind points to something not being right. I"ll check one of mine tomorrow if I can remember re the Sat Signal with no Disc but fairly sure the above info is correct.
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I seem to remember that it didnt need the disc in to recognise satelite and turn the "green light on" ,but mind is playing tricks with it all now.
So possibly 2 faults ? ::)
Something inside unit is causing navdisc to keep getting pushed out
As not registering signal with aerial lead connected to new gps aerial,maybe a fault at the back of HU with cabling ?
Need to find an expert to have a look at for me now
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Will the gps side of the system only acquire a satelite fix with the disc inserted or will the unit have the "green gps" illuninated even without disc .?
Despite my disc being cleaned within an inch of its life and is totally spotless ,the HU keeps rejecting it and advising disc is dirty and needs cleaning.Any ideas as to fault...genuine disc which has worked perfectly for many months
As far as I can remember, assuming the Software has been loaded on it, it should show a Good or Bad GPS with no Disc, could be a laser issue, does it play a CD if you insert one in there, you need to push the CDC Button under the Eject to make it work from memory.
what do you mean from memory? ::)
as I know there in no internal memory in NCDC2013/2015 systems
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Will the gps side of the system only acquire a satelite fix with the disc inserted or will the unit have the "green gps" illuninated even without disc .?
Despite my disc being cleaned within an inch of its life and is totally spotless ,the HU keeps rejecting it and advising disc is dirty and needs cleaning.Any ideas as to fault...genuine disc which has worked perfectly for many months
As far as I can remember, assuming the Software has been loaded on it, it should show a Good or Bad GPS with no Disc, could be a laser issue, does it play a CD if you insert one in there, you need to push the CDC Button under the Eject to make it work from memory.
what do you mean from memory? ::)
as I know there in no internal memory in NCDC2013/2015 systems
No, my memory, me, Moi, mine, the Internal Storage thingy thats attached to that small Thinking Device that rattles about inside my Skull. ::)
............or least thats what I thought I meant.....................Cant remember. :-\
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Have decided to remove HU and have a good look at the connections behind main unit to see if that has become detached.
Might also make up a new lead to run from HU to the SMA connection now on the new gps aerial .What is the connection for the gps on the back of the HU if anybody has picture or could advise.
Anybody advise on the colour of the GPS wording at the top r/h corner without disc inserted please..mine is permant red but unsure if that is just due to aerial leads etc
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Will the gps side of the system only acquire a satelite fix with the disc inserted or will the unit have the "green gps" illuninated even without disc .?
Despite my disc being cleaned within an inch of its life and is totally spotless ,the HU keeps rejecting it and advising disc is dirty and needs cleaning.Any ideas as to fault...genuine disc which has worked perfectly for many months
As far as I can remember, assuming the Software has been loaded on it, it should show a Good or Bad GPS with no Disc, could be a laser issue, does it play a CD if you insert one in there, you need to push the CDC Button under the Eject to make it work from memory.
what do you mean from memory? ::)
as I know there in no internal memory in NCDC2013/2015 systems
Once the route is planned you can eject the disc. Believe this feature was primarily for the NCDR1100/1500 and NCDC2011's which didn't have an external CDC drive fitted.
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But would the unit pick up gps signal without a disc initially fitted ?
Assume if ( now inserted audio disc) is stuck in the gps disc slot,something internal isnt working ,or is broken ?
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But would the unit pick up gps signal without a disc initially fitted ?
Assume if ( now inserted audio disc) is stuck in the gps disc slot,something internal isnt working ,or is broken ?
The NCDC in mine will pick up the Sat Signal with the Disc out as I suspected, just to make sure, removed disc, switched off HU for 30 mins, and re checked no routes planned, no Disc in, and after a few mins the Sat Signal comes up, also confirmed this with Main + Info showing all the Sat Stations picked up and there Signal Strength readings.
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Cheers Chris. :y
Been tooooooo hot today to play but will disconnect battery for an hour in the morning and then see on refit if the audio disc comes out..fingers crossed.
Will then remove HU and have a good look at the gps connection on the back to understand what it looks like and see if anything is damaged.As said might make up a short patch lead of rg58 with a sma connetion on one end to join up to that on new gps aerial and find out what coupling is required on the back of the HU to join into.That way I have totally bypassed any of the original gps aerial cables just cable from HU to aerial and see if that picks up,which in theory it should :P.then go from there with the ejecting disc problem
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The NCDC in mine will pick up the Sat Signal with the Disc out as I suspected [/quote]
Tis true, so does mine. :y
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Thanks for info on disc in/out
Just need to establish the correct connection on back of head unit although pointers /search is suggesting it is a bnc
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Thanks for info on disc in/out
Just need to establish the correct connection on back of head unit although pointers /search is suggesting it is a bnc
Its not a BNC, cant remember what is is, but the connector is easily pulled off or broken if the HU is yanked about, as said in previous topics an easy connection test is to see if it has + Voltson the centre pin to feed the GPS Antenna from the foot well. :y
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*IF* the software is loaded, it will pick up gps.
*IF* the system spits out clean, original CDs, the laser is fubar (but spares available)
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Disc is original bought from vauxhall dealer and has worked since bought.
Did occasionally pit it out but now it will not stay in for more than 15/20 seconds.If laser is fubbared where and who offer a refurb service ? :y
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Disc is original bought from vauxhall dealer and has worked since bought.
Did occasionally pit it out but now it will not stay in for more than 15/20 seconds.If laser is fubbared where and who offer a refurb service ? :y
Laser available from a few euroland sources online. Not aware of anyone who repairs these units any more, due to age.
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http://www.lasertrader.de/english/sg_opticallaserpickup_carindustry_Opel.htm
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Always the man Rob. :y
Just need to establish if that is the fault and a local man to fix it if it is.
Onward and upwards ah ;D
Just curious but what would be expect cost to replace for an ice guy assuming I can find one upto the task
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Always the man Rob. :y
Just need to establish if that is the fault and a local man to fix it if it is.
Onward and upwards ah ;D
Just curious but what would be expect cost to replace for an ice guy assuming I can find one upto the task
http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=5
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Didnt realise that type of work was also "his bag". :)
Will get the aerial mystery sorted first then go from there,but thanks for advise as always Rob. :y
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Well progress of sorts ??? ::)
Have succesfully managed to crimp SMA connector to the cut end of the gps aerial lead and joined to new aerial.Green GPS signal in top r/h corner is now lite but unit is still saying on the l/h side that navi is inactive.
On inserting the disc is whirls and makes a noise but after around 15 seconds the disc gets spat out.The disc then gets drawn back into the unit and the cycle goes around again although after 3 or 4 attempts message appears saying.."disc cannot be read ..please clean cd error".
From previous advise this is now seeming to point to faulty laser ? as disc is thoroughly clean. Dont want to re insert an audio disc as last time it stayed in the unut for 3 days before mysteriously getting ejected whilst I was driving.
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Well progress of sorts ??? ::)
Have succesfully managed to crimp SMA connector to the cut end of the gps aerial lead and joined to new aerial.Green GPS signal in top r/h corner is now lite but unit is still saying on the l/h side that navi is inactive.
On inserting the disc is whirls and makes a noise but after around 15 seconds the disc gets spat out.The disc then gets drawn back into the unit and the cycle goes around again although after 3 or 4 attempts message appears saying.."disc cannot be read ..please clean cd error".
From previous advise this is now seeming to point to faulty laser ? as disc is thoroughly clean. Dont want to re insert an audio disc as last time it stayed in the unut for 3 days before mysteriously getting ejected whilst I was driving.
Obviously was chewing on it to see if it liked your choice of music, then decided it didn't. ;D
And while you had the GPS plug apart, did you measure the centre pin for voltage?
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Was quite worried ,Chris,as it eat decent disc of Zepplin and yes it was an original ;D...Pleased to say it did eventually squirt it back out. :)
Whilst cables were apart I checked voltage as advised from outer to inner and was getting 5 volts.That was confirmed again at terminal end prior to connecting to gps aerial so assume no power issues going from HU to aerial.
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Was quite worried ,Chris,as it eat decent disc of Zepplin and yes it was an original ;D...Pleased to say it did eventually squirt it back out. :)
Whilst cables were apart I checked voltage as advised from outer to inner and was getting 5 volts.That was confirmed again at terminal end prior to connecting to gps aerial so assume no power issues going from HU to aerial.
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Laser is pretty easy to replace, if you send the nav laser assembly and a new laser I would be happy to fit it and post back.
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Cheers for offer Mark which is greatly appreciated. :y :y :y
If I order laser assembly from place RobG suggested
gerner@lasertrader.de
Gerner Electronics
GERMANY
Alfred-Gorgosch-Str. 28
94469 Deggendorf
Tel.+49 991 27285
FAX +49 991 27286
Optical laser pickup for Opel NCDR1100 NCDC-1300 1500 2011 2013 2015
Optical laser pickup for Opel
- NCDR 1100
- NCDC 1300
- NCDC 1500
- NCDC 2011
- NCDC 2013
- NCDC 2015
Once I have the parts if I can drop you a pm for postage details etc then we can go from there.
Many thanks again,as whilst the actual satnav isnt up to modern standards I like parts designed to work ,to work.
Cheers :y