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Chat Area => General Car Chat => Topic started by: Shackeng on 29 June 2014, 22:13:47
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I was most upset to see in a Swindon scrappy, what appeared to be an immaculate silver 3.2 MV6 on the rack. When I enquired, I was told it was Cat C or D, I forget which, anyway, the one which states that it cannot be sold to be repaired. I saw pictures of the interior, looked immaculate inside, 91K. I could see no damage anywhere, so I cannot understand how it can be declared unrepairable. I can only guess that it is some insurance scam by a garage that took it in P/E. I took some pics I'll post up when I get time. :( :( :(
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Cat B is parts only, C and D can both be put back on the road :y
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There's actually no reason a cat b can't go back on the road, it's an insurers classification of economical repair cost and nowt to do with the dvla at all. Can be Vic checked and reused if you so wish !
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Which yard was it in, and was it saloon or estate :-\
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Which yard was it in, and was it saloon or estate :-\
you don't need another one :)
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I remember a few years back there was a vw golf r32 brand new with less than 3000 miles on the clock. It looked immaculate apart from a nasty smell from inside. I asked the scrappy what's wrong with it and he said its a write off. It had been in a flood and the insurance company had ordered it to be destroyed even though it only needed an interior or a bloody good steam clean. He wasn't even allowed to sell any of the parts off it either and he had to provide photo evidence he had done this :o :o
Either that or he was winding me up :)
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Which yard was it in, and was it saloon or estate :-\
SW Vauxhall Spares, Cheney Manor, Saloon. They have 4 Omegas in, including one Estate. Considering what Al said above, it should then be possible to buy it. But it was quoted as either C or D, and I was told that their 'license' precluded them from selling it. I am wondering if they don't want to sell it as it is worth more in parts? :-\ :-\ :-\
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I remember a few years back there was a vw golf r32 brand new with less than 3000 miles on the clock. It looked immaculate apart from a nasty smell from inside. I asked the scrappy what's wrong with it and he said its a write off. It had been in a flood and the insurance company had ordered it to be destroyed even though it only needed an interior or a bloody good steam clean. He wasn't even allowed to sell any of the parts off it either and he had to provide photo evidence he had done this :o :o
Either that or he was winding me up :)
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That is true. A mate runs a metal scrap yard and gets cars like that in all the time. A car that has been in a flood is classed as contaimated and can't be touched, even the wheels! He also gets tax cars (seen an impreza turbo get crushed complete!) And insurance write of cars which we can't touch or go back on road. They can trace by engine numbers etc apparently. It amazes me what gets crushed that is prefectly good and working.
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If its up on a rack, it will have damage underneath from the rack and the fork lift that put it there, if the yard near me is anything to go by. So if it wasn't a right off before, it almost certainly will be now.
Shame though. :(
Is it worth getting the suspension off it?
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Hmm 93 miles away ::) Guess its a f/l though :-\
Is it silver ::)
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Hmm 93 miles away ::) Guess its a f/l though :-\
Is it silver ::)
:y
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Unfortunately I am unable to get the pics off my iPhone onto the PC to upload. >:(
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A friend of mine used to be contracted to a scrap yard to collect vehicles from local authorities the police etc. These not only had to be crushed with appropriate paperwork supplied to the DVLA, but the paperwork also had to be sent to the authority involved with photographic evidence of destruction.
I can understand why flooded cars are considered contaminated as raw sewage is usually in the water, which leaves the danger of catching something very nasty and possibly life threatening. :(
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There's actually no reason a cat b can't go back on the road, it's an insurers classification of economical repair cost and nowt to do with the dvla at all. Can be Vic checked and reused if you so wish !
Nope, once declared cat B, it can never go back on the road, but can be used for spares. C and D can, upon passing a VOSA inspection. Cat A can't even be used for parts.
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There's actually no reason a cat b can't go back on the road, it's an insurers classification of economical repair cost and nowt to do with the dvla at all. Can be Vic checked and reused if you so wish !
Nope, once declared cat B, it can never go back on the road, but can be used for spares. C and D can, upon passing a VOSA inspection. Cat A can't even be used for parts.
Sorry TB but DVLA and insurance man with a clipboard are two completely different entities and the latter has no ability to declare anything not able to be put back on the road, the former also can't refuse to issue a V5 if the car has passed a VIC and an MOT.
See the thread below of a cat B E55 merc going back on the road, page 4 on
http://retrorides.proboards.com/thread/155617?page=4#.U7GX6bGmWIY
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Unfortunately I am unable to get the pics off my iPhone onto the PC to upload. >:(
If you want to send the pictures to me, I'll upload them for you :y
I can send you a PM with my number.
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There's actually no reason a cat b can't go back on the road, it's an insurers classification of economical repair cost and nowt to do with the dvla at all. Can be Vic checked and reused if you so wish !
Nope, once declared cat B, it can never go back on the road, but can be used for spares. C and D can, upon passing a VOSA inspection. Cat A can't even be used for parts.
Sorry TB but DVLA and insurance man with a clipboard are two completely different entities and the latter has no ability to declare anything not able to be put back on the road, the former also can't refuse to issue a V5 if the car has passed a VIC and an MOT.
See the thread below of a cat B E55 merc going back on the road, page 4 on
http://retrorides.proboards.com/thread/155617?page=4#.U7GX6bGmWIY
Granted, but an uninsured car cannot be driven on UK roads. And a Cat B cannot be insured (or if somehow wangled it due to a cock-up somewhere, would be classed uninsured) by any insurer who is a member of the trade body, ABI.
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Unfortunately I am unable to get the pics off my iPhone onto the PC to upload. >:(
If you want to send the pictures to me, I'll upload them for you :y
I can send you a PM with my number.
Thanks Josh,unfortunately, despite the many best efforts of Vodafone, I have never been able to send pics with the iPhone in the 2 years I've had it, I hate the damn thing, it has a mind of its own. Yesterday, sitting on my desk, switched off (not completely), no-one touched it, and it started playing a music track, another time it phoned someone without any input, go figure. >:( >:( >:(
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Unfortunately I am unable to get the pics off my iPhone onto the PC to upload. >:(
Dropbox is your friend. Register, its free for 2GB's :y
Install App on your phone, then install little program on your PC/Mac. You get a special folder in your PC, any photos you take on your iPhone or Android device are automatically uploaded.
Great way of backing up too :y
Don't have to do anything :)
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There's actually no reason a cat b can't go back on the road, it's an insurers classification of economical repair cost and nowt to do with the dvla at all. Can be Vic checked and reused if you so wish !
Nope, once declared cat B, it can never go back on the road, but can be used for spares. C and D can, upon passing a VOSA inspection. Cat A can't even be used for parts.
Sorry TB but DVLA and insurance man with a clipboard are two completely different entities and the latter has no ability to declare anything not able to be put back on the road, the former also can't refuse to issue a V5 if the car has passed a VIC and an MOT.
See the thread below of a cat B E55 merc going back on the road, page 4 on
http://retrorides.proboards.com/thread/155617?page=4#.U7GX6bGmWIY
Granted, but an uninsured car cannot be driven on UK roads. And a Cat B cannot be insured (or if somehow wangled it due to a cock-up somewhere, would be classed uninsured) by any insurer who is a member of the trade body, ABI.
Err..they can be insured as was the vehicle in the thread and various others about, if it passes an MOT it will be deemed fit for the road and be insured.
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So a Cat C or D can be resold for road use?
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So a Cat C or D can be resold for road use?
Readily :y the current Category C marker on mine is the result of three stonechips... it is still insured/taxed/Motd, but will require a VIC should I ever sell it, presumably even if sold for scrap ::)
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So a Cat C or D can be resold for road use?
Yup and there is nothing to say a cat b cannot as they all have the same VIC marker on that requires a vehicle identity check to gain the v5, that is all that is required, even the original pre accident/damage MOT is still valid but it's obviously wise to get another done.
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The issue in this case might be that the scrapyard have already declared the car as scrapped to the DVLA, in which case, that's the end of the road for that car you saw :'(
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Which yard was it in, and was it saloon or estate :-\
you don't need another one :)
Tooooo late got a 2.6 saloon CDX today ::) :P :P
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I have at last managed to get these off the wretched iPhone >:( Sorry about the poor quality.
Photos:
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Presumably if you want summat off it, they drop it down :-\
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:o Surprised that dexion racking takes the load :-\
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Unfortunately, the photos don't show the condition, but I could not see a blemish on the bodywork, and it was confirmed not flood damaged. ???
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Ive been after a set of those alloys for ages ::)
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Ive been after a set of those alloys for ages ::)
Got a set in the garage :P
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Maybe the owner just scrapped it. "Failed" head gasket or similar miss diagnosis to an uninformed owner. Maybe.
I know what you where told but surely that's just a standard answer to a jobs worth?
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Ive been after a set of those alloys for ages ::)
Got a set in the garage :P
Like these :)
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Are they for sale ?
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I worked with a registered treatment facility of end of life vehicles.
The facts of the insurance industry are:
1. Flooded cars may contain effluent and other nasties. To limit the insurer's liability it is better to crush a £35k car rather than be faced with claims in the future for disease/serious illness or even death. It happened near Hull a few months ago when a Motordepot was flooded from the Humber. I guess most of the stock - all nearly near new would have been cubed complete .
2. CAT B cars are not permitted to be put back on the road due to the level of damage sustained, or from a perceived safety risk by the insurance assessor at the time. Also in respect of the families of the victims driving the vehicles at the time, the assessor would feel it should not be back on the road as there could have been serious injuries or fatalities.
3.CAT C, D, X and U are all fine to be put back on the road. You need a VIC check with a cat C
Some Cat C's and D's can be worth more in parts though.
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I worked with a registered treatment facility of end of life vehicles.
The facts of the insurance industry are:
1. Flooded cars may contain effluent and other nasties. To limit the insurer's liability it is better to crush a £35k car rather than be faced with claims in the future for disease/serious illness or even death. It happened near Hull a few months ago when a Motordepot was flooded from the Humber. I guess most of the stock - all nearly near new would have been cubed complete .
2. CAT B cars are not permitted to be put back on the road due to the level of damage sustained, or from a perceived safety risk by the insurance assessor at the time. Also in respect of the families of the victims driving the vehicles at the time, the assessor would feel it should not be back on the road as there could have been serious injuries or fatalities.
3.CAT C, D, X and U are all fine to be put back on the road. You need a VIC check with a cat C
Some Cat C's and D's can be worth more in parts though.
It has not been flooded.
As it is either C or D, and looks in VGC, I guess your last point is relevant, and is why they say that "We are not allowed to sell it, or we will lose our license"??? :-X :-X :-X
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Once the car is declared scrapped, it can only be broken, regardless of condition. Non compliance of this point could see the scrapyards environmental licence in question were they found to be selling complete cars that have been declared as scrapped :y
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Presumably if you want summat off it, they drop it down :-\
It sure looks a 'posh' scrappy...
Not sure how that scrap yard works.....but it maybe that you tell them the part you want and they go get it, ive been in one scrappy near swindon that operated that method. Wouldnt let you near the cars....
Another one i was in, just had the cars stacked up on roofs of others....that time i wanted a fuel pump for my 2.2....they had a 2.0 with another car stacked on its roof.....i was just told to go get the pump myself....as the seats were already removed it didnt take long to get the pump out....thankfully.....no H&S in that scrappy ;D
Incidentally....that scrappy went up in smoke about 6 months later.....so no idea if they are still there ::) :-\
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Presumably if you want summat off it, they drop it down :-\
It sure looks a 'posh' scrappy...
Not sure how that scrap yard works.....but it maybe that you tell them the part you want and they go get it, ive been in one scrappy near swindon that operated that method. Wouldnt let you near the cars....
Another one i was in, just had the cars stacked up on roofs of others....that time i wanted a fuel pump for my 2.2....they had a 2.0 with another car stacked on its roof.....i was just told to go get the pump myself....as the seats were already removed it didnt take long to get the pump out....thankfully.....no H&S in that scrappy ;D
Incidentally....that scrappy went up in smoke about 6 months later.....so no idea if they are still there ::) :-\
The one out on Breach Lane near Bushton ?? "Rayners Breakers" (or their new posh name "Swindon Metal Solutions") ?? Still going and still pretty useless TBH .. they rarely know what they have in or where it is, and are not very helpful in getting parts off, then try and charge silly money once you've done the work. Solution is to VERY firmly agree a price BEFORE doing any work ..... they don't like it .. but if you turn and walk away ...... :)
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I worked with a registered treatment facility of end of life vehicles.
The facts of the insurance industry are:
1. Flooded cars may contain effluent and other nasties. To limit the insurer's liability it is better to crush a £35k car rather than be faced with claims in the future for disease/serious illness or even death. It happened near Hull a few months ago when a Motordepot was flooded from the Humber. I guess most of the stock - all nearly near new would have been cubed complete .
2. CAT B cars are not permitted to be put back on the road due to the level of damage sustained, or from a perceived safety risk by the insurance assessor at the time. Also in respect of the families of the victims driving the vehicles at the time, the assessor would feel it should not be back on the road as there could have been serious injuries or fatalities.
3.CAT C, D, X and U are all fine to be put back on the road. You need a VIC check with a cat C
Some Cat C's and D's can be worth more in parts though.
Permitted by who? There is a voluntary code of conduct for those scrap dealers and insurance companys that choose to sing the same song but absolutely no law that dictates this and the DVLA back this up!
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Cat B's are assigned by the insurance company.
The only way a breaker yard has a Cat B is he must be a registered treatment facility. This means that he has the facility to acquire Cat B stock either direct from the Insurance contracts or at a vehicle salvage auction where he must have a licence.
If he breaches this by selling the car complete, then his licence will be revoked, together with fines and penalties.
We all know that money speaks louder than words for some unscrupulous dealers !
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Cat B's are assigned by the insurance company.
The only way a breaker yard has a Cat B is he must be a registered treatment facility. This means that he has the facility to acquire Cat B stock either direct from the Insurance contracts or at a vehicle salvage auction where he must have a licence.
If he breaches this by selling the car complete, then his licence will be revoked, together with fines and penalties.
We all know that money speaks louder than words for some unscrupulous dealers !
Sorry for being dim but who would issue said fines?
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Local authority or environment agency at a guess :-\ if they cba...
Though presumably making a false declaration of scrapping to the dvla (ie selling a complete vehicle which had been declared as broken up for parts) would be an offence in its own right :-\
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Which yard was it in, and was it saloon or estate :-\
SW Vauxhall Spares, Cheney Manor, Saloon. They have 4 Omegas in, including one Estate. Considering what Al said above, it should then be possible to buy it. But it was quoted as either C or D, and I was told that their 'license' precluded them from selling it. I am wondering if they don't want to sell it as it is worth more in parts? :-\ :-\ :-\
the guy that runs it used to be an OOF member….. think his name was Dave….. can't recall the member ID though….. originally he was based out past cirencester at a services just off the A417 . then he moved to a location the other side of cirencester…. (from whence i collected a bunch of Seats for Josh once…. ) now he's in Swindon….
operates more like a shop front, you go ask for the parts, if not already dismantled and on the shelf and checked over, then they do so to order….
generally pretty good record keeping and stock knowledge…. and no… you get nowhere near the cars……
their disassembly process is (or was when observed) careful and knowledgeable as well….. i've watched them strip an Elite to bare shell…… not a scratch on anything…..
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Presumably if you want summat off it, they drop it down :-\
It sure looks a 'posh' scrappy...
Not sure how that scrap yard works.....but it maybe that you tell them the part you want and they go get it, ive been in one scrappy near swindon that operated that method. Wouldnt let you near the cars....
Another one i was in, just had the cars stacked up on roofs of others....that time i wanted a fuel pump for my 2.2....they had a 2.0 with another car stacked on its roof.....i was just told to go get the pump myself....as the seats were already removed it didnt take long to get the pump out....thankfully.....no H&S in that scrappy ;D
Incidentally....that scrappy went up in smoke about 6 months later.....so no idea if they are still there ::) :-\
The one out on Breach Lane near Bushton ?? "Rayners Breakers" (or their new posh name "Swindon Metal Solutions") ?? Still going and still pretty useless TBH .. they rarely know what they have in or where it is, and are not very helpful in getting parts off, then try and charge silly money once you've done the work. Solution is to VERY firmly agree a price BEFORE doing any work ..... they don't like it .. but if you turn and walk away ...... :)
Yeah, i think that was the one Nige.....maybe different owners now then....they knew they had a 2.0 Omega in stock when i originally called them and pointed it out to me when i got there....but it was upto me to get the fuel pump off it.....they were more interested in sitting the portacabin, doing not a lot.....but then that sometimes helps with helping yourself to other smaller pocket size items ;) ;D I think i paid a tenner for the fuel pump :y