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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: Rods2 on 27 August 2014, 18:38:14
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Many of you will be aware that Ukraine, Russia the EU had talks on Tuesday hosted in Minsk, Belarus. The talks were not only on the conflict in Ukraine but also the 'impact' on Russian trade 'interests' if Ukraine fully implements the EU Association Agreement.
I was aware this morning that Russian has given Southern Europe due warning to fully fill up their gas reserves where they are going to cut off all supplies through Russian pipelines.
http://en.interfax.com.ua/news/general/220163.html?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter (http://en.interfax.com.ua/news/general/220163.html?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter)
There has now been this story in the Russian newspaper Tass, that Russia intends to cut off all gas to Europe if they don't cancel the trade agreement with Ukraine.
So the EU gives in to Putler's blackmail or we accept that Europe is going to be short of gas and don't think where the UK is almost self-sufficient with agreements to make up the shortfall through countries like Qatar and UAE to supplying LPG to UK terminals that it won't affect us. This is because in times of energy shortages for geo-political reasons all EU energy resources are pooled and shared.
Personally, I think we should tell Russia to stick their gas where the sun doesn't shine as no gas or oil sales to Western Europe will crash their economy, where the Russian government relies on this for 50% of their income with the majority of the sales to us. They did it before with Berlin and we won with the Berlin airlift, I'm sure that we can win again, where oil and gas prices are currently falling where there is a glut, if we all pull together and accept they maybe a bit of hardship.
http://euromaidanpress.com/2014/08/27/minsk-results-putins-new-demand-and-a-second-front-against-ukraine/ (http://euromaidanpress.com/2014/08/27/minsk-results-putins-new-demand-and-a-second-front-against-ukraine/)
What do others think?
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I don't use gas :y
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Ooh no. None of us have considered this at all ::)
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Good news for an independent Scotland. They can flog their gas and all be rich. ;D
Surely Europe have a Plan B. They must have seen this coming(we did on OOF) and will be buying gas from Tehran via the pipeline (till IsIL or whatever they are called tomorrow blow it up.....). :y
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Good news for an independent Scotland. They can flog their gas and all be rich. ;D
If the Scots vote Yes next month, we'll have 2 years to ramp up production and suck as much of the stuff out as we can before handing it all over to Fishface and his pals! ;D :y
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Getting the Rayburn sorted :y
Hang on, where does our coal come from ? We don't have our own mines any more do we ?
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Getting the Rayburn sorted :y
Hang on, where does our coal come from ? We don't have our own mines any more do we ?
Russia, Columbia and the US are our main suppliers. So no worries there then. :o :o :o
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The last thing I heard from economists was that Russia is in no position financially to cut supplies of anything to the West. They need money for their economy that is floundering, so they will not cut the trade that gives them so much cash.
Scaremongering if you ask me. Nothing more, nothing less. And that is what Putin wants; fear of such cuts, as there was fear in the Cold War about what the USSR would do next. Psychology. Pure psychological propaganda, and some are falling for it! ::) ::) ::) ::) ;)
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An imminent gas price increase is due then ::)
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I don't use gas :y
You do. Around 30% of electricity is generated from Gas.
Good news for an independent Scotland. They can flog their gas and all be rich. ;D
Most Gas is in English territorial waters :y. The Jocks have got most of the Oil.
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Plenty of hot air on here. Now.....how do I download it...... ;D
It will do you all good to have no light or heating, then you'll know how folk oop north live.
Oh...and an outside khasi that freezes over in the winter.
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Plenty of hot air on here. Now.....how do I download it...... ;D
It will do you all good to have no light or heating, then you'll know how folk oop north live.
Oh...and an outside khasi that freezes over in the winter.
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Luxury....pure luxury.
I feel a Monty Python sketch coming on..... ;D ;D
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An imminent gas price increase is due then ::)
Regardless of any international supply situation there is ALWAYS a gas price increase imminent.
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I don't use gas :y
Electric and wood here, but unfortunately 27% of UK electricity comes from burning gas. I think we should just stay out of the whole situation personally.
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I don't use gas :y
Electric and wood here, but unfortunately 27% of UK electricity comes from burning gas. I think we should just stay out of the whole situation personally.
Yes, because appeasement has always worked so well in the past.........
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And Putler is not going to go away, he will bank any gains as a given like Crimea and Eastern Ukraine (All Ukraine?), where it is now a full invasion, being totally ignored by the US and Western Europe, so they don't have to do anything and Putler will then move onto the next targets, which are Georgia and Moldova, to stop them joining NATO and the EU. The Baltic states will then follow, so he has a land bridge to Kalingrad, which will finish NATO at the same time. With no NATO it is then game on to divide and conquer most of the rest of Western Europe where his vision is for an Eurasian superpower, which in his words stretches "from Lisbon to Vladivostok". With the size of the Russian economy, they can never become a Super power at the top table with the US and in a few more years China and India, without the GDP and technology of the majority of Western Europe.
All major wars in the last 250 years have all been started by dictators under 5' 8" in height, Putler in 5' 7".
He has a 2 year timetable, where he knows that Oduma, will appease and avoid wars at all costs and when push comes to shove Obuma will always blink first and that is also how long Russia's $400bn+ foreign currency reserves will last. The next US president will probably be Republican and not so accommodating. Putler only respects strong people and treats Obuma with total contempt where he is the epitome of all that Putler hates as a weak, wet, liberal lefty who thinks laws and courts count. They don't in Putler's eyes where he is busy creating and applying the laws of the Kalashnikov.
Where logic suggests that he will not risk cutting off gas and oil to western Europe for economic reasons, logic also suggested that Putler wouldn't ban food imports where 48% of their food requirements are currently imported. He has for three reasons: Where the EU is the biggest exporter of food to Russia, to try and use dissenting EU countries as a lever. To show the Russian people that the building of the new Russian empire will involve a bit of hardship here and there (he has an 80%+ approval rating from Muscovites on the ban), while they boost domestic production and finally, once he has banked his initial conquests to go on a charm offensive and lift the ban from some EU countries to destroy the EU's united front and when they make concessions on sanctions to stop the disintegration of EU policy as part of his divide and conquer policy, he will then use it for domestic consumption as another victory over the west. Aggressive people out to build empires, set their own rules for everybody else to play by, the Kremlin has always been very good at this and by applying their totally ruthless cold logic, they will create their own luck and success.
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And Putler is not going to go away, he will bank any gains as a given like Crimea and Eastern Ukraine (All Ukraine?), where it is now a full invasion, being totally ignored by the US and Western Europe, so they don't have to do anything and Putler will then move onto the next targets, which are Georgia and Moldova, to stop them joining NATO and the EU. The Baltic states will then follow, so he has a land bridge to Kalingrad, which will finish NATO at the same time. With no NATO it is then game on to divide and conquer most of the rest of Western Europe where his vision is for an Eurasian superpower, which in his words stretches "from Lisbon to Vladivostok". With the size of the Russian economy, they can never become a Super power at the top table with the US and in a few more years China and India, without the GDP and technology of the majority of Western Europe.
All major wars in the last 250 years have all been started by dictators under 5' 8" in height, Putler in 5' 7".
Rods you are obviously again hinting that Putin (that is his correct name in English) is some form of Hitler and has ambitions to conquer the World.
Sorry, but you have obviously little true idea of Nazi / Hitler history. Hitler built up his armed forces, and more importantly convinced the German people they should build a new German Empire; the Third Reich. He convinced economists in the west to finance the new Germany that aimed to rebuild German industry and again become a super power in industrial output. He, through wonderful propaganda and via the SA "showed" to the German people how the World, (Versailles Agreement), Jews and Communists had mistreated them and their country; how they should reclaim their rightful status under the Third Reich. A gambler and chancer he was, and in those days Europe was not strong enough and united enough to start really taking action against him when he reclaimed "German territory", and then he of course went a lot further because he could. He had finance, a hypnotised population, superior armed forces, weak, unprepared, opposition and an iron will that he was chosen to rule The Third Reich which would last one thousand years.
Putin has none of that. His economy is in trouble. Vast swathes of the the Russian people are dissatisfied with him and certainly do not want a war, with apparently grave concerns already amongst them over the his Ukraine involvement. His armed forces are a shadow of what they were in the days of the USSR, and are far from being up to strength. Western finances are not going to give him finance, no more than China or anyone else will, to build an invasion force to take on NATO. He simply cannot match the power of the USA, let alone NATO combined. He knows he can gamble with Ukraine, but anything further will result in confrontation that he cannot oppose. He leads not a guerilla organisation of terrorists but a country that has conventional armed forces that if push comes to shove can be taken out by the USA alone, let alone with NATO support.
He is playing a political game on ex-USSR territory. If he tries that anywhere else he knows he will have real problems, and western sanctions are already hurting him and causing political pressure with the Russian people against him. So, he is no Hitler and cannot ever be one. As for height of dictators.................well, what relevance is that. Mental health problems are far more relevant!! ::) ::) ::) ::)
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And Putler is not going to go away, he will bank any gains as a given like Crimea and Eastern Ukraine (All Ukraine?), where it is now a full invasion, being totally ignored by the US and Western Europe, so they don't have to do anything and Putler will then move onto the next targets, which are Georgia and Moldova, to stop them joining NATO and the EU. The Baltic states will then follow, so he has a land bridge to Kalingrad, which will finish NATO at the same time. With no NATO it is then game on to divide and conquer most of the rest of Western Europe where his vision is for an Eurasian superpower, which in his words stretches "from Lisbon to Vladivostok". With the size of the Russian economy, they can never become a Super power at the top table with the US and in a few more years China and India, without the GDP and technology of the majority of Western Europe.
All major wars in the last 250 years have all been started by dictators under 5' 8" in height, Putler in 5' 7".
He has a 2 year timetable, where he knows that Oduma, will appease and avoid wars at all costs and when push comes to shove Obuma will always blink first and that is also how long Russia's $400bn+ foreign currency reserves will last. The next US president will probably be Republican and not so accommodating. Putler only respects strong people and treats Obuma with total contempt where he is the epitome of all that Putler hates as a weak, wet, liberal lefty who thinks laws and courts count. They don't in Putler's eyes where he is busy creating and applying the laws of the Kalashnikov.
Where logic suggests that he will not risk cutting off gas and oil to western Europe for economic reasons, logic also suggested that Putler wouldn't ban food imports where 48% of their food requirements are currently imported. He has for three reasons: Where the EU is the biggest exporter of food to Russia, to try and use dissenting EU countries as a lever. To show the Russian people that the building of the new Russian empire will involve a bit of hardship here and there (he has an 80%+ approval rating from Muscovites on the ban), while they boost domestic production and finally, once he has banked his initial conquests to go on a charm offensive and lift the ban from some EU countries to destroy the EU's united front and when they make concessions on sanctions to stop the disintegration of EU policy as part of his divide and conquer policy, he will then use it for domestic consumption as another victory over the west. Aggressive people out to build empires, set their own rules for everybody else to play by, the Kremlin has always been very good at this and by applying their totally ruthless cold logic, they will create their own luck and success.
Watching him parade around on television I would suggest he is closer to five-four or five-five.
Whatever the truth, he is certainly a shortarse. An arrogant and dangerous shortarse. :(
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And Putler is not going to go away, he will bank any gains as a given like Crimea and Eastern Ukraine (All Ukraine?), where it is now a full invasion, being totally ignored by the US and Western Europe, so they don't have to do anything and Putler will then move onto the next targets, which are Georgia and Moldova, to stop them joining NATO and the EU. The Baltic states will then follow, so he has a land bridge to Kalingrad, which will finish NATO at the same time. With no NATO it is then game on to divide and conquer most of the rest of Western Europe where his vision is for an Eurasian superpower, which in his words stretches "from Lisbon to Vladivostok". With the size of the Russian economy, they can never become a Super power at the top table with the US and in a few more years China and India, without the GDP and technology of the majority of Western Europe.
All major wars in the last 250 years have all been started by dictators under 5' 8" in height, Putler in 5' 7".
He has a 2 year timetable, where he knows that Oduma, will appease and avoid wars at all costs and when push comes to shove Obuma will always blink first and that is also how long Russia's $400bn+ foreign currency reserves will last. The next US president will probably be Republican and not so accommodating. Putler only respects strong people and treats Obuma with total contempt where he is the epitome of all that Putler hates as a weak, wet, liberal lefty who thinks laws and courts count. They don't in Putler's eyes where he is busy creating and applying the laws of the Kalashnikov.
Where logic suggests that he will not risk cutting off gas and oil to western Europe for economic reasons, logic also suggested that Putler wouldn't ban food imports where 48% of their food requirements are currently imported. He has for three reasons: Where the EU is the biggest exporter of food to Russia, to try and use dissenting EU countries as a lever. To show the Russian people that the building of the new Russian empire will involve a bit of hardship here and there (he has an 80%+ approval rating from Muscovites on the ban), while they boost domestic production and finally, once he has banked his initial conquests to go on a charm offensive and lift the ban from some EU countries to destroy the EU's united front and when they make concessions on sanctions to stop the disintegration of EU policy as part of his divide and conquer policy, he will then use it for domestic consumption as another victory over the west. Aggressive people out to build empires, set their own rules for everybody else to play by, the Kremlin has always been very good at this and by applying their totally ruthless cold logic, they will create their own luck and success.
Watching him parade around on television I would suggest he is closer to five-four or five-five.
Whatever the truth, he is certainly a shortarse. An arrogant and dangerous shortarse. :(
Ah, back to what Rods implied. :D :D
Hitler was actually 5'8"" tall. Bang goes the theory!! ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
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I don't use gas :y
Electric and wood here, but unfortunately 27% of UK electricity comes from burning gas. I think we should just stay out of the whole situation personally.
Yes, because appeasement has always worked so well in the past.........
Or we need to start really spending on defence again so we could actually mount some kind of response if required - currently we can't so why make him cross? :o
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And Putler is not going to go away, he will bank any gains as a given like Crimea and Eastern Ukraine (All Ukraine?), where it is now a full invasion, being totally ignored by the US and Western Europe, so they don't have to do anything and Putler will then move onto the next targets, which are Georgia and Moldova, to stop them joining NATO and the EU. The Baltic states will then follow, so he has a land bridge to Kalingrad, which will finish NATO at the same time. With no NATO it is then game on to divide and conquer most of the rest of Western Europe where his vision is for an Eurasian superpower, which in his words stretches "from Lisbon to Vladivostok". With the size of the Russian economy, they can never become a Super power at the top table with the US and in a few more years China and India, without the GDP and technology of the majority of Western Europe.
All major wars in the last 250 years have all been started by dictators under 5' 8" in height, Putler in 5' 7".
He has a 2 year timetable, where he knows that Oduma, will appease and avoid wars at all costs and when push comes to shove Obuma will always blink first and that is also how long Russia's $400bn+ foreign currency reserves will last. The next US president will probably be Republican and not so accommodating. Putler only respects strong people and treats Obuma with total contempt where he is the epitome of all that Putler hates as a weak, wet, liberal lefty who thinks laws and courts count. They don't in Putler's eyes where he is busy creating and applying the laws of the Kalashnikov.
Where logic suggests that he will not risk cutting off gas and oil to western Europe for economic reasons, logic also suggested that Putler wouldn't ban food imports where 48% of their food requirements are currently imported. He has for three reasons: Where the EU is the biggest exporter of food to Russia, to try and use dissenting EU countries as a lever. To show the Russian people that the building of the new Russian empire will involve a bit of hardship here and there (he has an 80%+ approval rating from Muscovites on the ban), while they boost domestic production and finally, once he has banked his initial conquests to go on a charm offensive and lift the ban from some EU countries to destroy the EU's united front and when they make concessions on sanctions to stop the disintegration of EU policy as part of his divide and conquer policy, he will then use it for domestic consumption as another victory over the west. Aggressive people out to build empires, set their own rules for everybody else to play by, the Kremlin has always been very good at this and by applying their totally ruthless cold logic, they will create their own luck and success.
Watching him parade around on television I would suggest he is closer to five-four or five-five.
Whatever the truth, he is certainly a shortarse. An arrogant and dangerous shortarse. :(
Ah, back to what Rods implied. :D :D
Hitler was actually 5'8"" tall. Bang goes the theory!! ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
How do we actually know that?
I am here to measure you for the official records Gospodin Putler.
Put down 5ft 8 inches. He is actually less of course and gay (but that isn't relevant of course).
There is still a lot to play. Spain is hurting already with its fruit exports. We bought 4 lbs of top quality peaches today for £2
PS if you like olives or olive oil stock up as the harvest is going to be down a lot this year and prices will go up.
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PENSIONERS! Get ready for a long cold winter with limited gas. Close all the doors in your house and wear three cardigans. Go to bed at half six to keep warm.
No bleedin change there then. :(
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I don't use gas :y
Electric and wood here, but unfortunately 27% of UK electricity comes from burning gas. I think we should just stay out of the whole situation personally.
Yes, because appeasement has always worked so well in the past.........
Or we need to start really spending on defence again so we could actually mount some kind of response if required - currently we can't so why make him cross? :o
Last I read the Frenchies were training up several hundred Russians at one of their bases in the use of a warship that the Russians were about to take delivery of. I wondered if that got cancelled? Maybe Britain could have had it instead! ;D Think bateau cadeau.
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And Putler is not going to go away, he will bank any gains as a given like Crimea and Eastern Ukraine (All Ukraine?), where it is now a full invasion, being totally ignored by the US and Western Europe, so they don't have to do anything and Putler will then move onto the next targets, which are Georgia and Moldova, to stop them joining NATO and the EU. The Baltic states will then follow, so he has a land bridge to Kalingrad, which will finish NATO at the same time. With no NATO it is then game on to divide and conquer most of the rest of Western Europe where his vision is for an Eurasian superpower, which in his words stretches "from Lisbon to Vladivostok". With the size of the Russian economy, they can never become a Super power at the top table with the US and in a few more years China and India, without the GDP and technology of the majority of Western Europe.
All major wars in the last 250 years have all been started by dictators under 5' 8" in height, Putler in 5' 7".
He has a 2 year timetable, where he knows that Oduma, will appease and avoid wars at all costs and when push comes to shove Obuma will always blink first and that is also how long Russia's $400bn+ foreign currency reserves will last. The next US president will probably be Republican and not so accommodating. Putler only respects strong people and treats Obuma with total contempt where he is the epitome of all that Putler hates as a weak, wet, liberal lefty who thinks laws and courts count. They don't in Putler's eyes where he is busy creating and applying the laws of the Kalashnikov.
Where logic suggests that he will not risk cutting off gas and oil to western Europe for economic reasons, logic also suggested that Putler wouldn't ban food imports where 48% of their food requirements are currently imported. He has for three reasons: Where the EU is the biggest exporter of food to Russia, to try and use dissenting EU countries as a lever. To show the Russian people that the building of the new Russian empire will involve a bit of hardship here and there (he has an 80%+ approval rating from Muscovites on the ban), while they boost domestic production and finally, once he has banked his initial conquests to go on a charm offensive and lift the ban from some EU countries to destroy the EU's united front and when they make concessions on sanctions to stop the disintegration of EU policy as part of his divide and conquer policy, he will then use it for domestic consumption as another victory over the west. Aggressive people out to build empires, set their own rules for everybody else to play by, the Kremlin has always been very good at this and by applying their totally ruthless cold logic, they will create their own luck and success.
Watching him parade around on television I would suggest he is closer to five-four or five-five.
Whatever the truth, he is certainly a shortarse. An arrogant and dangerous shortarse. :(
Ah, back to what Rods implied. :D :D
Hitler was actually 5'8"" tall. Bang goes the theory!! ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
How do we actually know that?
I am here to measure you for the official records Gospodin Putler.
Put down 5ft 8 inches. He is actually less of course and gay (but that isn't relevant of course).
There is still a lot to play. Spain is hurting already with its fruit exports. We bought 4 lbs of top quality peaches today for £2
PS if you like olives or olive oil stock up as the harvest is going to be down a lot this year and prices will go up.
It is on official records from a medical in the Great War, when it was also established Hitler did only have one testical :y
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Just put another coat on :y :y
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It is on official records from a medical in the Great War, when it was also established Hitler did only have one testical :y
There's a song about that! :y ;D
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It is on official records from a medical in the Great War, when it was also established Hitler did only have one testical :y
There's a song about that! :y ;D
The music, just add the words!! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xvWLMkxSwIo
Hitler has only got one ball,
Göring has two but they are very small,
Himmler has something sim'lar,
But poor old Goebbels has no balls at all :y
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Watching him parade around on television I would suggest he is closer to five-four or five-five.
Whatever the truth, he is certainly a shortarse. An arrogant and dangerous shortarse. :(
And ginger to boot... :o
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Watching him parade around on television I would suggest he is closer to five-four or five-five.
Whatever the truth, he is certainly a shortarse. An arrogant and dangerous shortarse. :(
And ginger to boot... :o
Ginger beer? :o
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OMG..... :)
Another rods2 horror and scare story, and not a daily flail link to be seen, quick i'am going to build a bunker, stock it with food and guns, and hid away in the wilderness ;D
don't know what scares me most America or Russia er no its rods2 continual scare stories, sure he dos;nt write for the Daily Mail. :D
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Watching him parade around on television I would suggest he is closer to five-four or five-five.
Whatever the truth, he is certainly a shortarse. An arrogant and dangerous shortarse. :(
And ginger to boot... :o
Ginger beer? :o
That would be ironic ;D
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OMG..... :)
Another rods2 horror and scare story, and not a daily flail link to be seen, quick i'am going to build a bunker, stock it with food and guns, and hid away in the wilderness ;D
don't know what scares me most America or Russia er no its rods2 continual scare stories, sure he dos;nt write for the Daily Mail. :D
Ah, bless him. He loves them!! :-* :-* :-* :-* ;D ;D ;D ;)
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OMG..... :)
Another rods2 horror and scare story, and not a daily flail link to be seen, quick i'am going to build a bunker, stock it with food and guns, and hid away in the wilderness ;D
don't know what scares me most America or Russia er no its rods2 continual scare stories, sure he dos;nt write for the Daily Mail. :D
Ah, bless him. He loves them!! :-* :-* :-* :-* ;D ;D ;D ;)
Hmmmn I don't know.... :-\
A couple of weeks ago the Ukrainians seemed to have the rebels on the run, but they seem to have gained a new impetus with an alleged injection of fresh Russian troops and equipment. :(
These are dangerous times and the Western world may yet get dragged in.... ::)
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OMG..... :)
Another rods2 horror and scare story, and not a daily flail link to be seen, quick i'am going to build a bunker, stock it with food and guns, and hid away in the wilderness ;D
don't know what scares me most America or Russia er no its rods2 continual scare stories, sure he dos;nt write for the Daily Mail. :D
Ah, bless him. He loves them!! :-* :-* :-* :-* ;D ;D ;D ;)
Hmmmn I don't know.... :-\
A couple of weeks ago the Ukrainians seemed to have the rebels on the run, but they seem to have gained a new impetus with an alleged injection of fresh Russian troops and equipment. :(
These are dangerous times and the Western world may yet get dragged in.... ::)
But they always have been throughout history but we are still here. As I stated let's not get confused and think for one minute Putin is another Hitler in context with the situation in the 1930s.
Frankly I am far more worried about the situation in the Middle East, but even that is not on the scale of what was the Nazi problem! :y
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Ukraine has asked to join NATO. Without any bias...I think they should receive a firm NO! Not until the current situation settles down. Personally, I think the urge to join stems from a wish to enrage Russia, rather than a genuine attempt at integration.
As an aside.......just how big is the North Atlantic, or Europe for that matter? Can Thailand apply for EU membership?
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But they always have been throughout history but we are still here. As I stated let's not get confused and think for one minute Putin is another Hitler in context with the situation in the 1930s.
Frankly I am far more worried about the situation in the Middle East, but even that is not on the scale of what was the Nazi problem! :y
In 1938 nobody was bothered about the annexation of Austria and the Sudentenland by Germany and look how that turned out. :-\
In 2014 when Russia annexed Crimea the world looked the other way, which in my opinion has emboldened Putin in his territorial ambitions. What his end game is we can only speculate at, but I am pessimistic of an orderly and peaceful solution. :(
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Russia's explanation of troops being spotted in Ukrainian territory:
"They are volunteers doing it off their own backs".
But...they were in Russian military uniforms.
"Ermmmm......they may have been soldiers that are on holiday. Yes...that's it".
;D ;D ;D
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But they always have been throughout history but we are still here. As I stated let's not get confused and think for one minute Putin is another Hitler in context with the situation in the 1930s.
Frankly I am far more worried about the situation in the Middle East, but even that is not on the scale of what was the Nazi problem! :y
In 1938 nobody was bothered about the annexation of Austria and the Sudentenland by Germany and look how that turned out. :-\
In 2014 when Russia annexed Crimea the world looked the other way, which in my opinion has emboldened Putin in his territorial ambitions. What his end game is we can only speculate at, but I am pessimistic of an orderly and peaceful solution. :(
Frankly that was not the problem. The Austrians wanted to be part of the Third Reich, and the German speaking people of the Sudetenland also wanted to be returned to the German fold. It was the invasion of Poland, via the rest of Czechoslovakia, that really was the step too far, but with the support of the Russians, gave credence to Hitler's gamble, but stirred Britain and France to declare war on Germany.
You cannot compare those days in 1938/9 with the situation today with politics involved of a completely different nature. As I mentioned in post #16 the context is very different, with Putin no Hitler, and in no position to be one. The West is also prepared for conflict, unlike in 1938/39, and although is reluctant to get directly involved, is supporting Ukraine in a diplomatic manner that is the correct way to go so far.
Does anyone want WWIII? Does anyone have a better answer than using good diplomacy, the type of strong diplomacy that wasn't available to be used against Hitler in the 1930s? What would YOU do if YOU personally were a leading politician in the diplomatic process representing the USA, Britain, German, France, and NATO in general? Could you do any better? There will be no "Peace in our time" agreements however, and Putin must realise that.
It is amazing how many armchair critics come out at times like this spreading doom and gloom but doing nothing to constructively find an answer that will work. As said, this has happened throughout history, and will continue for as long as man rules the Earth.
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And Putler is not going to go away, he will bank any gains as a given like Crimea and Eastern Ukraine (All Ukraine?), where it is now a full invasion, being totally ignored by the US and Western Europe, so they don't have to do anything and Putler will then move onto the next targets, which are Georgia and Moldova, to stop them joining NATO and the EU. The Baltic states will then follow, so he has a land bridge to Kalingrad, which will finish NATO at the same time. With no NATO it is then game on to divide and conquer most of the rest of Western Europe where his vision is for an Eurasian superpower, which in his words stretches "from Lisbon to Vladivostok". With the size of the Russian economy, they can never become a Super power at the top table with the US and in a few more years China and India, without the GDP and technology of the majority of Western Europe.
All major wars in the last 250 years have all been started by dictators under 5' 8" in height, Putler in 5' 7".
He has a 2 year timetable, where he knows that Oduma, will appease and avoid wars at all costs and when push comes to shove Obuma will always blink first and that is also how long Russia's $400bn+ foreign currency reserves will last. The next US president will probably be Republican and not so accommodating. Putler only respects strong people and treats Obuma with total contempt where he is the epitome of all that Putler hates as a weak, wet, liberal lefty who thinks laws and courts count. They don't in Putler's eyes where he is busy creating and applying the laws of the Kalashnikov.
Where logic suggests that he will not risk cutting off gas and oil to western Europe for economic reasons, logic also suggested that Putler wouldn't ban food imports where 48% of their food requirements are currently imported. He has for three reasons: Where the EU is the biggest exporter of food to Russia, to try and use dissenting EU countries as a lever. To show the Russian people that the building of the new Russian empire will involve a bit of hardship here and there (he has an 80%+ approval rating from Muscovites on the ban), while they boost domestic production and finally, once he has banked his initial conquests to go on a charm offensive and lift the ban from some EU countries to destroy the EU's united front and when they make concessions on sanctions to stop the disintegration of EU policy as part of his divide and conquer policy, he will then use it for domestic consumption as another victory over the west. Aggressive people out to build empires, set their own rules for everybody else to play by, the Kremlin has always been very good at this and by applying their totally ruthless cold logic, they will create their own luck and success.
You know what Rods, you could be a very good imaginational war scenario writer ;D
and tinternet is a good place to test reactions of random readers ;D ;D
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And Putler is not going to go away, he will bank any gains as a given like Crimea and Eastern Ukraine (All Ukraine?), where it is now a full invasion, being totally ignored by the US and Western Europe, so they don't have to do anything and Putler will then move onto the next targets, which are Georgia and Moldova, to stop them joining NATO and the EU. The Baltic states will then follow, so he has a land bridge to Kalingrad, which will finish NATO at the same time. With no NATO it is then game on to divide and conquer most of the rest of Western Europe where his vision is for an Eurasian superpower, which in his words stretches "from Lisbon to Vladivostok". With the size of the Russian economy, they can never become a Super power at the top table with the US and in a few more years China and India, without the GDP and technology of the majority of Western Europe.
All major wars in the last 250 years have all been started by dictators under 5' 8" in height, Putler in 5' 7".
He has a 2 year timetable, where he knows that Oduma, will appease and avoid wars at all costs and when push comes to shove Obuma will always blink first and that is also how long Russia's $400bn+ foreign currency reserves will last. The next US president will probably be Republican and not so accommodating. Putler only respects strong people and treats Obuma with total contempt where he is the epitome of all that Putler hates as a weak, wet, liberal lefty who thinks laws and courts count. They don't in Putler's eyes where he is busy creating and applying the laws of the Kalashnikov.
Where logic suggests that he will not risk cutting off gas and oil to western Europe for economic reasons, logic also suggested that Putler wouldn't ban food imports where 48% of their food requirements are currently imported. He has for three reasons: Where the EU is the biggest exporter of food to Russia, to try and use dissenting EU countries as a lever. To show the Russian people that the building of the new Russian empire will involve a bit of hardship here and there (he has an 80%+ approval rating from Muscovites on the ban), while they boost domestic production and finally, once he has banked his initial conquests to go on a charm offensive and lift the ban from some EU countries to destroy the EU's united front and when they make concessions on sanctions to stop the disintegration of EU policy as part of his divide and conquer policy, he will then use it for domestic consumption as another victory over the west. Aggressive people out to build empires, set their own rules for everybody else to play by, the Kremlin has always been very good at this and by applying their totally ruthless cold logic, they will create their own luck and success.
You know what Rods, you could be a very good imaginational war scenario writer ;D
and tinternet is a good place to test reactions of random readers ;D ;D
............and publishing a book entitled Apocalypse Now. Oh, hang on Cem, that title has already been used! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;)
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Well I am with Rods2 on this one. We all ought to be making a fuss and demonstrating etc about the injustices in the world.
Ukraine, Syria, Libya, Iraq etc. The UN is toothless and more so because of the vetos available to the big players.
There is lots more we could do but the mentality isn't there. Witness today's headline news on Sky. A family took their sick boy out of hospital- what so they could all go on one final holiday together? newsworthy-yes but only twenty minutes in. Desperate Den(bless him) was right. We do live in an OK bubble.
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For those that aren't aware, there is a NATO heads of state conference in Celtic Manor (Cardiff) next week (Thr 4th and Fri 5th), with everybody from Obama down attending. The Ukraine situation is bound to be one of the subjects covered.
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For those that aren't aware, there is a NATO heads of state conference in Celtic Manor (Cardiff) next week (Thr 4th and Fri 5th), with everybody from Obama down attending. The Ukraine situation is bound to be one of the subjects covered.
Yep. As said on sky news last night, apart from threatening to cut up Putins store cards, they will have little more to threaten him with.
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For those that aren't aware, there is a NATO heads of state conference in Celtic Manor (Cardiff) next week (Thr 4th and Fri 5th), with everybody from Obama down attending. The Ukraine situation is bound to be one of the subjects covered.
Newport actually. The huge hotel next to the M4.
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For those that aren't aware, there is a NATO heads of state conference in Celtic Manor (Cardiff) next week (Thr 4th and Fri 5th), with everybody from Obama down attending. The Ukraine situation is bound to be one of the subjects covered.
Newport actually. The huge hotel next to the M4.
As far as I'm concerned, it's Brize and Fairford, since thats where the Migs, Tiffies, 16's 18's and Mirages are supposed to be :)
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I've spent the last 6 months studying Putler and Russia, where I a strong believer in knowing your friends well and your enemies even better. Another on my rules is if I do something I do it well and have a clear understanding, or I don't do it at all. An example of one of my learning projects is economics.
Part of fast learning is getting information from a vast range of sources and sifting out the wheat from the chaff and getting to the core of a problem, something I've had to do many times with R&D projects and also with my hobbies, so I've got good at it where it is something I do for several hours most days.
Putler is no Hitler? Wrong. No he doesn't have a funny little moustache, has less hair, probably has 2 balls, is not any more anti-Semitic that the average Russian and is not about to open any death camps any time soon. And TBH how much did any of these Hitler attributes affect the average English person between 1939-45? What did affect the average English person profoundly is Hitler's territorial ambitions and this is where Putler has more in common with Hitler than sets them apart. Who is the most dangerous of the two: IMO Putler. Why? Hitler disliked gas having been wounded by a gas attack in WWI, Sarin and Tabun, had he used them, may have cost the allies WWII. In comparison we had only WWI gases which were no where near as deadly, but even so Churchill has to be dissuaded twice by his general staff from using them. In contrast Putler and his generals don't agree with MAD (Mutual Assured Destruction) but that there will be a winner and losers and they think they will be the winner. They have better civil defence facilities, their biggest city Moscow has an Anti-ICBM missile shield and being a very big more rural population, more will survive. In the UK in the 1960's it was calculated between one and two thirds of the population would survive. In a conventional war against the West, currently Russia will lose, but once you factor in their willingness to project or the limited use of nuclear weapons then this changes the equation. Would Germany be prepared to risk lose Bonn or Italy Naples to save the Baltic countries? This is a dangerous divide and conquer strategy for the survival of NATO and the EU which Putler is out to destroy. Those that say Putler is no fascist, please explain why many in his inner circle are ultra nationalists like Vladimir Zhirinovsky, Alexander Prokhanov and Aleksandr Dugin and why the Belgian neo-Nazi Luc Michel and former Polish MP Mateusz Piskorski whose magazine Odala openly praised Nazi Germany were two 'international observers' at the Crimea referendum and why Putler likes hanging around with the fascist 'Night Wolves' motorcycle gang?
I now going to give three links on where the west is with its relationship with Russia. The first is being presented to the UK Parliaments Foreign Affairs Committee tomorrow, by probably the best of the best on Western, Russian geo-politics.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1nLdiU4jRMYlVgtrX6JXs4L8vxwlN2NpVh8ndUgbYH94/preview?sle=true (https://docs.google.com/document/d/1nLdiU4jRMYlVgtrX6JXs4L8vxwlN2NpVh8ndUgbYH94/preview?sle=true)
The next is a good assessment on Putler by Tom Nichols a professor of national security affairs at the U.S. Naval War College:
http://thefederalist.com/2014/09/02/russias-leader-is-neither-a-realist-nor-a-nationalist/ (http://thefederalist.com/2014/09/02/russias-leader-is-neither-a-realist-nor-a-nationalist/)
and finally these are the stark choices that the west has to make over Ukraine:
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/01/opinion/arm-ukraine-or-surrender.html?_r=2 (http://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/01/opinion/arm-ukraine-or-surrender.html?_r=2)
The Middle East is a side show as if the West did nothing, there worst would be a few 9/11's and 7/7's which will kill a few thousands, we get it wrong against Russia then it will be the loss of our freedom and way of live and the deaths of millions.
Churchill was ridiculed when he warned in the 1930's about the German threat, by history has judged him rather kinder than Hitler's useful fools!
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Picked these comments up on an expat forum. Not everyone thinks Russia is at fault.......
"Can we really be going to war against Russia over an illegal, usurping government that overthrew the democratically elected government in Ukraine? Can we really ignore that we, through the EU's expensionist policies, have brought this situation about? Can we really not see that Ukraine wants to be in the EU for the money and the free movement of peoples all the way to the UK benefits trough? Can we not see how Russia would never stand for neighbours like that?
Russia does not threaten the UK - but I know a group who does. Russia should be an ally. Once again, the west holds its cards upside down and parades a strange display of ideas and priorities."
and
"I had to look again at your post to make sure I had not actually written it in my sleep. I agree with every word. There is no doubt that the coup against the legitimately elected government of the Ukraine was orchestrated by the West for its own greed.
We need to concentrate our efforts against the unmentionable. The 'group' that the BBC, among others, insists on referring to as 'forces', 'radicals' and 'fighters' instead of the cold blooded, murdering terrorists that they really are".
and
"Brilliant summing up , the useless Baroness Ashton started all the overtures, sheer empire building. Imagine if Scotland became Independent and Russia made overtures to Them for joining them..the UK would be indignant. Same in reverse is happening. Ukraine is led by a bunch of Facists and I don't understand why people can't see the agenda either...perhaps it's media bias"
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Picked these comments up on an expat forum. Not everyone thinks Russia is at fault.......
"Can we really be going to war against Russia over an illegal, usurping government that overthrew the democratically elected government in Ukraine? Can we really ignore that we, through the EU's expensionist policies, have brought this situation about? Can we really not see that Ukraine wants to be in the EU for the money and the free movement of peoples all the way to the UK benefits trough? Can we not see how Russia would never stand for neighbours like that?
Russia does not threaten the UK - but I know a group who does. Russia should be an ally. Once again, the west holds its cards upside down and parades a strange display of ideas and priorities."
and
"I had to look again at your post to make sure I had not actually written it in my sleep. I agree with every word. There is no doubt that the coup against the legitimately elected government of the Ukraine was orchestrated by the West for its own greed.
We need to concentrate our efforts against the unmentionable. The 'group' that the BBC, among others, insists on referring to as 'forces', 'radicals' and 'fighters' instead of the cold blooded, murdering terrorists that they really are".
and
"Brilliant summing up , the useless Baroness Ashton started all the overtures, sheer empire building. Imagine if Scotland became Independent and Russia made overtures to Them for joining them..the UK would be indignant. Same in reverse is happening. Ukraine is led by a bunch of Facists and I don't understand why people can't see the agenda either...perhaps it's media bias"
:y :y :y
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I've spent the last 6 months studying Putler and Russia, where I a strong believer in knowing your friends well and your enemies even better. Another on my rules is if I do something I do it well and have a clear understanding, or I don't do it at all. An example of one of my learning projects is economics.
Part of fast learning is getting information from a vast range of sources and sifting out the wheat from the chaff and getting to the core of a problem, something I've had to do many times with R&D projects and also with my hobbies, so I've got good at it where it is something I do for several hours most days.
Putler is no Hitler? Wrong. No he doesn't have a funny little moustache, has less hair, ............TBH how much did any of these Hitler attributes affect the average English person between 1939-45? What did affect the average English person profoundly is Hitler's territorial ambitions and this is where Putler has more in common with Hitler than sets them apart. Who is the most dangerous of the two: IMO Putler. Why? Hitler disliked gas having been wounded by a gas attack in WWI.
Putler and his generals don't agree with MAD (Mutual Assured Destruction) but that there will be a winner and losers and they think they will be the winner. They have better civil defence facilities, their biggest city Moscow has an Anti-ICBM missile shield and being a very big more rural population, more will survive. In the UK in the 1960's it was calculated between one and two thirds of the population would survive. In a conventional war against the West, currently Russia will lose, but once you factor in their willingness to project or the limited use of nuclear weapons then this changes the equation. Would Germany be prepared to risk lose Bonn or Italy Naples to save the Baltic countries? This is a dangerous divide and conquer strategy for the survival of NATO and the EU which Putler is out to destroy.
Churchill was ridiculed when he warned in the 1930's about the German threat, by history has judged him rather kinder than Hitler's useful fools!
So you don't believe some of us also follow those rules? In fact I have studied German and British military history for 40 years. I, like many also know that it is wise to know your enemies more than your friends, but never think actually anyone is your friend. The difference between warnings about Hitler in the 1930s is that only a few, like Churchill, were worried about the growing menace. Many in Britain, let alone around Europe, believed Hitler was a good thing, and the Nazis had the right political idea. Even briefly the British monarch openly supported Hitler, along with many figures in the upper classes, with a following behind Moseley. That does not exist with the Putin issue; the British establishment, and most of us, along with the USA and Europe KNOW he could be a great danger to our security, in a minor way approaching what the USSR represented during the Cold War. It has also nothing to do with what Hitler was, or Putin is, in physical appearance, so why raise all that? Who is suggesting it has anything to do with anything?. It is about the mental health of these individuals, and that certainly drove the former to do what he did, in the manner he did. I have stated before, Hitler took a whole fanatical nation with him, having built up his military using international finance, so he could. That did affect the British (you stated English, why?) person in the street, with bombs falling on them, evacuees of occupied countries arriving, many of the men set to fight the Nazis, food rationing, and of course the loss of loved ones in the military. Putin is not in a position to do all of that as easily as Hitler did. As for Putin gambling over the MAD theory; do you think the modern Russians, with constant contact with the west, the internet, and television, are going to be happy entering a war where they could loose everything they have gained so far on their road to democracy when they KNOW what their leader is? Once more Hitler had brilliant propaganda, along with a message of reversing the Versailles Treaty, destroying the Jews, along with the Communists, then creating a new greater Germany of the Third Reich. Has Putin got any of that going to pursuade the Russian people of a glorious war and sacrifice?
Anyway, Putin is not in a position ( as I have listed in a previous post) to take on the countries of the West as they represent a real challenge (nuclear) to his forces, the type of opposition Hitler did not face. Hitler (but not many of his generals) felt he could take on the countries of Europe, thinking that Britain would let him do so. There was little challenge and the Nazis rolled on. Putin is not in that position, and certainly has so far not launched a Blitzkrieg, rolled 2,500 tanks and 3.5 million men across European borders, with major air support, as Hitler did at 0300 hours on 22nd June 1941 to enter Russia. Putin faces determined opposition from the international community who are very aware that he and any ambitions he has must be curtailed; that is what the conferences have, and will, be discussing. The West is not a soft touch as it was in 1938/9. Putin cannot be a Hitler with an AXIS. Putin is alone facing Europe and the USA, still a super-power.
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But, I could keep repeating myself, but let me again ask the questions that still no-one has answered (it is easy explaining what you think is wrong; harder to come up with answers):
"Does anyone want WWIII? Does anyone have a better answer than using good diplomacy, the type of strong diplomacy that wasn't available to be used against Hitler in the 1930s? What would YOU do if YOU personally were a leading politician in the diplomatic process representing the USA, Britain, German, France, and NATO in general? Could you do any better? There will be no "Peace in our time" agreements however, and Putin must realise that.
It is amazing how many armchair critics come out at times like this spreading doom and gloom but doing nothing to constructively find an answer that will work. As said, this has happened throughout history, and will continue for as long as man rules the Earth."
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But, I could keep repeating myself, but let me again ask the questions that still no-one has answered (it is easy explaining what you think is wrong; harder to come up with answers):
"Does anyone want WWIII? Does anyone have a better answer than using good diplomacy, the type of strong diplomacy that wasn't available to be used against Hitler in the 1930s? What would YOU do if YOU personally were a leading politician in the diplomatic process representing the USA, Britain, German, France, and NATO in general? Could you do any better? There will be no "Peace in our time" agreements however, and Putin must realise that.
It is amazing how many armchair critics come out at times like this spreading doom and gloom but doing nothing to constructively find an answer that will work. As said, this has happened throughout history, and will continue for as long as man rules the Earth."
Of course no one wants WWIII, but you have to admit that it is a very worrying situation. :( For the last 10 -15 years or so while Western countries have continually cut their military spending, Russia has been modernising and building up it's armed forces. So there are plenty of parallels to the late 1930's. ::)
As Churchill rightly said 'Jaw jaw is better than war war!', but the EU's response to an aggressive neighbour who has annexed a portion of another neighbouring country's territory, seems pretty feeble and dosn't seem to be having much effect on Mr Putin! ::)
If he's not bothered by our diplomatic response with the limited sanctions that have been imposed, then he's not going to be that bothered by any military action either, as that will be limited too, because I don't think we can rely on Uncle Sam this time! :-\
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But, I could keep repeating myself, but let me again ask the questions that still no-one has answered (it is easy explaining what you think is wrong; harder to come up with answers):
"Does anyone want WWIII? Does anyone have a better answer than using good diplomacy, the type of strong diplomacy that wasn't available to be used against Hitler in the 1930s? What would YOU do if YOU personally were a leading politician in the diplomatic process representing the USA, Britain, German, France, and NATO in general? Could you do any better? There will be no "Peace in our time" agreements however, and Putin must realise that.
It is amazing how many armchair critics come out at times like this spreading doom and gloom but doing nothing to constructively find an answer that will work. As said, this has happened throughout history, and will continue for as long as man rules the Earth."
Of course no one wants WWIII, but you have to admit that it is a very worrying situation. :( For the last 10 -15 years or so while Western countries have continually cut their military spending, Russia has been modernising and building up it's armed forces. So there are plenty of parallels to the late 1930's. ::)
As Churchill rightly said 'Jaw jaw is better than war war!', but the EU's response to an aggressive neighbour who has annexed a portion of another neighbouring country's territory, seems pretty feeble and dosn't seem to be having much effect on Mr Putin! ::)
If he's not bothered by our diplomatic response with the limited sanctions that have been imposed, then he's not going to be that bothered by any military action either, as that will be limited too, because I don't think we can rely on Uncle Sam this time! :-\
lets assume Putin decided to use force against Ukraine, why west will initiate a war for lands where its in the middle of russia and many of the people talking Russian.. thats the question
another question, ISIS is killing people everyday and in such a violent manner .. is it less important ?
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lets assume Putin decided to use force against Ukraine, why west will initiate a war for lands where its in the middle of russia and many of the people talking Russian.. thats the question
another question, ISIS is killing people everyday and in such a violent manner .. is it less important ?
In some ways I think so. The Ukraine situation has potential to escalate into a wider European war, whereas IS so far is contained to the Middle East and the direct threat to Western Countries is from terrorist attacks. :(
Of course with Turkey being a member of NATO and then if IS was to invade Turkey then...... ::)
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lets assume Putin decided to use force against Ukraine, why west will initiate a war for lands where its in the middle of russia and many of the people talking Russian.. thats the question
another question, ISIS is killing people everyday and in such a violent manner .. is it less important ?
In some ways I think so. The Ukraine situation has potential to escalate into a wider European war, whereas IS so far is contained to the Middle East and the direct threat to Western Countries is from terrorist attacks. :(
Of course with Turkey being a member of NATO and then if IS was to invade Turkey then...... ::)
may be its to remind some facts
some western countries spending huge sums to control middle east which is incomparable to the sum spent for Ukraine.. this why Rods trying to attract attention ;D
and also some western countries intelligence services have some relations with IS .. thats known..
now will my country be invaded by IS, I think there is no need >:( >:( which there are lots of copies already existent.. >:( >:( >:( >:(
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Shhhhh. Obama speaks....
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But, I could keep repeating myself, but let me again ask the questions that still no-one has answered (it is easy explaining what you think is wrong; harder to come up with answers):
"Does anyone want WWIII? Does anyone have a better answer than using good diplomacy, the type of strong diplomacy that wasn't available to be used against Hitler in the 1930s? What would YOU do if YOU personally were a leading politician in the diplomatic process representing the USA, Britain, German, France, and NATO in general? Could you do any better? There will be no "Peace in our time" agreements however, and Putin must realise that.
It is amazing how many armchair critics come out at times like this spreading doom and gloom but doing nothing to constructively find an answer that will work. As said, this has happened throughout history, and will continue for as long as man rules the Earth."
Of course no one wants WWIII, but you have to admit that it is a very worrying situation. :( For the last 10 -15 years or so while Western countries have continually cut their military spending, Russia has been modernising and building up it's armed forces. So there are plenty of parallels to the late 1930's. ::)
As Churchill rightly said 'Jaw jaw is better than war war!', but the EU's response to an aggressive neighbour who has annexed a portion of another neighbouring country's territory, seems pretty feeble and dosn't seem to be having much effect on Mr Putin! ::)
If he's not bothered by our diplomatic response with the limited sanctions that have been imposed, then he's not going to be that bothered by any military action either, as that will be limited too, because I don't think we can rely on Uncle Sam this time! :-\
lets assume Putin decided to use force against Ukraine, why west will initiate a war for lands where its in the middle of russia and many of the people talking Russian.. thats the question
another question, ISIS is killing people everyday and in such a violent manner .. is it less important ?
That is right Cem, it is, for me, MORE important than what action Putin has taken so far. It is a far more dangerous situation that already threatens us in the UK, which of course our security services have recognised by raising our Terrorist Threat Level to "Severe", the second highest possible.
It has been announced that the Afghan Taliban Commander Mirwais is considering joining up with IS
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-29009125
This must be far more worrying to Europe, and the USA, than any festering threat by Putin to take over a part of Ukraine. He CAN be "limited" and eventually neutralized, but the Taliban plus IS will be far harder to oppose, as it has been proved in both Afghan and Iraq. This would totally destabilize the Middle East, interrupt/stop the oil flow to the West, and eventually spill over into Europe by way of "insider terrorists". This scares me far more than Putin and his current aims. He does not have the conviction of the Taliban and IS (nor Hitler!) to destroy the West, and create an Islamic State (Empire?). Compared to them Putin, with the "conventional" military forces I have highlighted before that can be stopped, looks like a cuddly teddy bear, not a Great Grisley Bear of Russia. The IS and Taliban are snakes who move silently and strike without fear. Russians are not prepared to die for a religion or political cause, but the members of the IS and Taliban are prepared to do so for both; for Allah and for the Islamic heaven they believe they will go to!
That is to be feared like suicide bombers are to be feared. Hitler also had those fanatics fighting for him in tens of thousands; prepared to die for the honour of the Third Reich, Germany, and their Norse Valhalla. :( :(
That is all why I will propose a different view and suggestion:
Join up with Putin and together fight the Middle East menace that threatens us all. Work with Russia, as we did in WW2, to stop the disease of extreme Islam. :o :o ;)
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I've told you my solution before. NOAH! Get building, lad.
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Put this into the mix: There's going to be US-led military exercises in Western Ukraine later this month. American troops actually inside Ukraine. Nice.
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As I have stated, Putin requires finance and to do that he needs peace; war is no good for him and Russia.
If you have any doubts read this:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-29043465
Russia is a safer bet for investors, that the Russian economy desperately need, if peace reigns.
With Hitler it was the reverse: he needed war to gain materials, oil, manpower (slave) etc., to build his Third Reich. :y
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Well, if our goverment would keep there nose out of business other country's having, we wouldn't pay the price for it.
Every time the uk mix in a conflict to save some poor souls which drain our money at the end, we paying more for petrol, gas, and so on.
Everything we consum from other country's is going up after we being the poor people saver.
Just keep out of it,enjoy the cheap closes from the east, the cheap petrol the cheap gas, get the most of it.
If they want to kill themselves let them do it.
They started it let them finish it, keep out of it, take what's left over.
And btw, yes you can now start telling is our responsibilities and stuff, but sorry I don't see it this way and there are lots of folks out there which see this the same way.