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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: Stuart30 on 03 September 2014, 22:48:42
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Much to my surprise it seems giving way on Roundabouts its completely optional..and it would appear even when you have decided you don't feel like Giving way and slam into another car at 30mph its perfectly acceptable.
In fact failing to give way...causing an accident (Not called Accidents now days...Now called Collisions) and then driving off Is just fine,as long as you return to the scene of the accident (no one seems to know what a reasonable time limit is) and give your details,you can then leave again before Police arrive and you have nothing to worry about. :y
Slight sarcasum...My wife was driving my Galaxy (Shame wasn't the Saab93) on way to work,enterd a roundabout (small one and you can see all entry/exits) with the intention of leaving on the third exit.
Sadly the bloke entering the roundabout didn't feel like giving way and slammed into wife as she was just passing the second exit...result was she bounced off the Roundabout and ended up past the third exit.
Other car drove off...wife hit the Horn and flashed her lights (Happened at 2045hrs) and matey came back after about 5 mins,by which time people had come to have a good old nosey.
The first thing he said to her was "Didn't you see me." my wife in a state of shock said yes she had,its then he said "Well why didn't you stop...! " followed by "I hope you have insurance".
Wifes phoned me and ive flew down to the collision and took his details and asked what happened,to say I was gobsmacked by his attitude is a major understatement.
He fully blames the wife...and states she should have given way to him...wouldn't except he has to give way to the right (Obviously assuming the other party is already on the roundabout).
Now this is the bit I find hard to accept...Police officer arrived just after the other drive left,asked if anyone was injured to which I said no and sent the wife home with neighbour who had taken myself and kids down,ive asked him will the other driver be getting a vist regards failing to give way and driving off.
Answer was a deffinate No...as he had returned (all be it some time after) and gave details and no one was injured it wasn't a Police matter,so failing to give way and driving off isnt a big deal then.?
Ive been down to report thye other driver yesterday as wife has (Genuine) whip lash type injures,Police said that now makes it serious enough for them to make an accident record,but they cant prosecute the other driver (or look into doing so) unless the insurance company instructs them to do so... ???
Insurance company basicly laughed and said WTF...so its an odd situation,wifes been rammed by some silly middle class duffer who states drivers give way to the left...Police say they cant act unless insurance company tells them to go after him and unless he admits liability the claim will be settled by my bloody insurance and Im liable for the excess.
The really scary thing is...what if that had been a Biker or god forbid a pushbike,id say the latter would have been a fatality,and this guy is driving around without a care in the world.
Bloody boiling...yes just a bit. >:(
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Hope your wide is OK
Coincidently I had some knob decide that he was going to enter a roundabout that I was already on. I blasted the horn, but I assume he thought the same as knob that hit your wife because he blasted his horn too ............ regardless of him being the being in the wrong! Nobody hit anyone though.
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Hope your wide is OK
Coincidently I had some knob decide that he was going to enter a roundabout that I was already on. I blasted the horn, but I assume he thought the same as knob that hit your wife because he blasted his horn too ............ regardless of him being the being in the wrong! Nobody hit anyone though.
Thank you Andy,she is fine just a little shook up and tender.
It beggars belief that people can past a driving test yet have no idea of how the highway code works. :o
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perhaps an email (as you cannot use the phone to contact these people) to your crime commissioner (if that's what they are called) that would change there reluctance to make a visit and discuss this tossers bad driving
hope your wife is okay
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Your post reminded me of hearing about this, today: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-29053978
Victims of crime are being "encouraged" to investigate offences themselves, an inspection of police forces in England and Wales has found.
HM Inspectorate of Constabulary said criminal damage and car crime were "on the verge of being decriminalised" because forces had "almost given up".
In some cases victims were asked to check for CCTV or fingerprints.
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I can see why dashcams are becoming more popular........essential even.
Glad to hear that your wife is okay. :y
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What a coincidence. I had exactly the same thing happen this morning at a mini roundabout. No collision but when I got behind him and honked my horn, he slowed right down and started acting like an idiot by slowing down and speeding up. I expected to see a young lad in the drivers seat when I went past him to turn right. It was a bloke in his sixties with one of these Bluetooth things in his ear.
It's getting worse out there.
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I can see why dashcams are becoming more popular........essential even.
Glad to hear that your wife is okay. :y
Absolutely. Otherwise, without independant witnesses it is always one persons word against another, and of course the "other driver" is always in the wrong.
But I don't actually know how valid dashcam evidence is. But if the other driver knows that there is video, they may just have a different attitude . . . . . or beat you up to steal the camera and the video evidence :o
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What a coincidence. I had exactly the same thing happen this morning at a mini roundabout. No collision but when I got behind him and honked my horn, he slowed right down and started acting like an idiot by slowing down and speeding up. I expected to see a young lad in the drivers seat when I went past him to turn right. It was a bloke in his sixties with one of these Bluetooth things in his ear.
It's getting worse out there.
I have a question. How does honking your horn put things right or in any way undo or correct what has been done ?
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My sympathies are with your wife, and I hope she feels better soon.
As for the police reaction, without them witnessing the collision (they decide later if it was an "accident" or not) it is treated as relatively minor if no one is seriously hurt and one to be finally settled by the insurance companies. With your wife now having whiplash the collision becomes a little more serious, but without independent witnesses, once more it is still just a matter for the insurance companies as they will deal with any claims for damages and personal injury. If there was a CCTV system covering the collision area then perhaps proof about who was at fault can be ascertained by both the insurance company and police. Certainly you have done the right thing by reporting it to the police, but as the other driver did return to the accident within a "reasonable" time, the police can do little more. It is now a civil, not criminal, matter and that is why the police will not be involved unless other matters arise, i.e. like the other driver has no insurance, no licence, etc, etc. ;)
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Shocking.
Roundabouts in Spain are even worse. Drivers are still taught on multi lane roundabouts to drive on the nearside lane and indicate only when about to leave the roundabout. You have to assume that every driver is going round the roundabout.
I think these sorts of accidents will just become more common as the traffic density(sheer numbers of vehicles) plus stress levels due to time pressures build up. Oh and the use of mobiles and Ipads, smart phones etc on the move ramps up and up.
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Roundabouts in Spain are even worse. Drivers are still taught on multi lane roundabouts to drive on the nearside lane and indicate only when about to leave the roundabout. You have to assume that every driver is going round the roundabout.
Same here, because very few drivers can be @rsed to signal when they are coming off at the next exit. Why would they? It only benefits someone else? >:(
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What a coincidence. I had exactly the same thing happen this morning at a mini roundabout. No collision but when I got behind him and honked my horn, he slowed right down and started acting like an idiot by slowing down and speeding up. I expected to see a young lad in the drivers seat when I went past him to turn right. It was a bloke in his sixties with one of these Bluetooth things in his ear.
It's getting worse out there.
I have a question. How does honking your horn put things right or in any way undo or correct what has been done ?
It doesn't, it just vents my frustration (slightly) and let's him know what he's just done. I'm not absolutely sure he even realised.
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Hope your wide is OK
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Ooops! :-[ :-[ :-[ Sorry!
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Try being a vulnerable road user (ie 2 wheels) around these idiots >:(
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Try being a vulnerable road user (ie 2 wheels) around these idiots >:(
No thanks .......... it's bad enough on a proper engine powered bike ;)
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Roundabouts in Spain are even worse. Drivers are still taught on multi lane roundabouts to drive on the nearside lane and indicate only when about to leave the roundabout. You have to assume that every driver is going round the roundabout.
Same here, because very few drivers can be @rsed to signal when they are coming off at the next exit. Why would they? It only benefits someone else? >:(
Er, I don't agree with this. Personally. As not indicating allows/forces that extra bit of time where you do have to wait and actually see where the person is going rather than believe their indicators or trust their driving. Especially in Spain where driving habits are even more random than here.
Spanish roads have zero grip, are poorly paved and the drivers are generally poor. Ime anyway.
I suppose if I was living and commuting there I might well feel differently though. :-\
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Try being a vulnerable road user (ie 2 wheels) around these idiots >:(
No thanks .......... it's bad enough on a proper engine powered bike ;)
ALl bikes were included in that message :y
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Roundabouts in Spain are even worse. Drivers are still taught on multi lane roundabouts to drive on the nearside lane and indicate only when about to leave the roundabout. You have to assume that every driver is going round the roundabout.
Same here, because very few drivers can be @rsed to signal when they are coming off at the next exit. Why would they? It only benefits someone else? >:(
Er, I don't agree with this. Personally. As not indicating allows/forces that extra bit of time where you do have to wait and actually see where the person is going rather than believe their indicators or trust their driving. Especially in Spain where driving habits are even more random than here.
Spanish roads have zero grip, are poorly paved and the drivers are generally poor. Ime anyway.
I suppose if I was living and commuting there I might well feel differently though. :-\
So you never get irritated when you pull up at a roundabout and stop, only to find that the retard coming round is coming off at the previous exit, meaning you've had to stop for no reason?
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Roundabouts in Spain are even worse. Drivers are still taught on multi lane roundabouts to drive on the nearside lane and indicate only when about to leave the roundabout. You have to assume that every driver is going round the roundabout.
Same here, because very few drivers can be @rsed to signal when they are coming off at the next exit. Why would they? It only benefits someone else? >:(
Er, I don't agree with this. Personally. As not indicating allows/forces that extra bit of time where you do have to wait and actually see where the person is going rather than believe their indicators or trust their driving. Especially in Spain where driving habits are even more random than here.
Spanish roads have zero grip, are poorly paved and the drivers are generally poor. Ime anyway.
I suppose if I was living and commuting there I might well feel differently though. :-\
Very true Chris. Indications by other motorists should NEVER be taken as a definite signal of their intentions. We must all wait and ensure their vehicle is actually going to travel in the direction of the signal. This has always been a rule with modern driving, and the Highway Code covers this very issue:
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You should also
watch out for signals given by other road users and proceed only when you are satisfied that it is safe
be aware that an indicator on another vehicle may not have been cancelled.
:y
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Roundabouts in Spain are even worse. Drivers are still taught on multi lane roundabouts to drive on the nearside lane and indicate only when about to leave the roundabout. You have to assume that every driver is going round the roundabout.
Same here, because very few drivers can be @rsed to signal when they are coming off at the next exit. Why would they? It only benefits someone else? >:(
Er, I don't agree with this. Personally. As not indicating allows/forces that extra bit of time where you do have to wait and actually see where the person is going rather than believe their indicators or trust their driving. Especially in Spain where driving habits are even more random than here.
Spanish roads have zero grip, are poorly paved and the drivers are generally poor. Ime anyway.
I suppose if I was living and commuting there I might well feel differently though. :-\
So you never get irritated when you pull up at a roundabout and stop, only to find that the retard coming round is coming off at the previous exit, meaning you've had to stop for no reason?
Lane position, and its proper application is as much a part of negotiating junctions as indicating imho...
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Roundabouts in Spain are even worse. Drivers are still taught on multi lane roundabouts to drive on the nearside lane and indicate only when about to leave the roundabout. You have to assume that every driver is going round the roundabout.
Same here, because very few drivers can be @rsed to signal when they are coming off at the next exit. Why would they? It only benefits someone else? >:(
Er, I don't agree with this. Personally. As not indicating allows/forces that extra bit of time where you do have to wait and actually see where the person is going rather than believe their indicators or trust their driving. Especially in Spain where driving habits are even more random than here.
Spanish roads have zero grip, are poorly paved and the drivers are generally poor. Ime anyway.
I suppose if I was living and commuting there I might well feel differently though. :-\
So you never get irritated when you pull up at a roundabout and stop, only to find that the retard coming round is coming off at the previous exit, meaning you've had to stop for no reason?
Noooo not me. Never never never ;D
Although seriously, trusting indicators is as good a way to get caught out at a round about as any. Bikes make you learn. Quick. Road position is a much safer judge. Regardless of any flashing lights. Yellow red blue or any other colour. They're all out to get you. Trust me, they really are. :)
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Roundabouts in Spain are even worse. Drivers are still taught on multi lane roundabouts to drive on the nearside lane and indicate only when about to leave the roundabout. You have to assume that every driver is going round the roundabout.
Same here, because very few drivers can be @rsed to signal when they are coming off at the next exit. Why would they? It only benefits someone else? >:(
Er, I don't agree with this. Personally. As not indicating allows/forces that extra bit of time where you do have to wait and actually see where the person is going rather than believe their indicators or trust their driving. Especially in Spain where driving habits are even more random than here.
Spanish roads have zero grip, are poorly paved and the drivers are generally poor. Ime anyway.
I suppose if I was living and commuting there I might well feel differently though. :-\
So you never get irritated when you pull up at a roundabout and stop, only to find that the retard coming round is coming off at the previous exit, meaning you've had to stop for no reason?
Lane position, and its proper application is as much a part of negotiating junctions as indicating imho...
Have to admit with Al here as if you were in correct lane / position in road a signal would only reinforce where you intend on heading
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Much to my surprise it seems giving way on Roundabouts its completely optional..and it would appear even when you have decided you don't feel like Giving way and slam into another car at 30mph its perfectly acceptable.
In fact failing to give way...causing an accident (Not called Accidents now days...Now called Collisions) and then driving off Is just fine,as long as you return to the scene of the accident (no one seems to know what a reasonable time limit is) and give your details,you can then leave again before Police arrive and you have nothing to worry about. :y
Slight sarcasum...My wife was driving my Galaxy (Shame wasn't the Saab93) on way to work,enterd a roundabout (small one and you can see all entry/exits) with the intention of leaving on the third exit.
Sadly the bloke entering the roundabout didn't feel like giving way and slammed into wife as she was just passing the second exit...result was she bounced off the Roundabout and ended up past the third exit.
Other car drove off...wife hit the Horn and flashed her lights (Happened at 2045hrs) and matey came back after about 5 mins,by which time people had come to have a good old nosey.
The first thing he said to her was "Didn't you see me." my wife in a state of shock said yes she had,its then he said "Well why didn't you stop...! " followed by "I hope you have insurance".
Wifes phoned me and ive flew down to the collision and took his details and asked what happened,to say I was gobsmacked by his attitude is a major understatement.
He fully blames the wife...and states she should have given way to him...wouldn't except he has to give way to the right (Obviously assuming the other party is already on the roundabout).
Now this is the bit I find hard to accept...Police officer arrived just after the other drive left,asked if anyone was injured to which I said no and sent the wife home with neighbour who had taken myself and kids down,ive asked him will the other driver be getting a vist regards failing to give way and driving off.
Answer was a deffinate No...as he had returned (all be it some time after) and gave details and no one was injured it wasn't a Police matter,so failing to give way and driving off isnt a big deal then.?
Ive been down to report thye other driver yesterday as wife has (Genuine) whip lash type injures,Police said that now makes it serious enough for them to make an accident record,but they cant prosecute the other driver (or look into doing so) unless the insurance company instructs them to do so... ???
Insurance company basicly laughed and said WTF...so its an odd situation,wifes been rammed by some silly middle class duffer who states drivers give way to the left...Police say they cant act unless insurance company tells them to go after him and unless he admits liability the claim will be settled by my bloody insurance and Im liable for the excess.
The really scary thing is...what if that had been a Biker or god forbid a pushbike,id say the latter would have been a fatality,and this guy is driving around without a care in the world.
Bloody boiling...yes just a bit. >:(
Disgraceful, I wish you luck with pursuing this. I hope your wife recovers well. We had an identical incident 25 years ago, and my wife, who was driving, still suffers from severe pain caused by whiplash, even though it was a side impact. Unfortunately, she agreed to settle for £1500 injury compensation thinking she would not suffer further after effects. Wrong! It has affected the rest of her life. >:( >:( >:(
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Thank you too all for input and Well wishes...its appreciated. :y
Insurance chap is coming to view the car tomorrow,to be fair the obvious damage isn't that bad..but who knows what's happened underneath.
My biggest concern is this chap (apart from terrible dress sense,blood red Cords,brogues and an aloof attitude) not knowing or refusing to believe the Give Way system.
I wouldn't be surprised if he has similar issues previous...I just hope next time its not a Two Wheeler he hits as im positive if it was a Cyclist they would be pedalling to heaven by now. :(
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Thank you too all for input and Well wishes...its appreciated. :y
Insurance chap is coming to view the car tomorrow,to be fair the obvious damage isn't that bad..but who knows what's happened underneath.
My biggest concern is this chap (apart from terrible dress sense,blood red Cords,brogues and an aloof attitude) not knowing or refusing to believe the Give Way system.
I wouldn't be surprised if he has similar issues previous...I just hope next time its not a Two Wheeler he hits as im positive if it was a Cyclist they would be pedalling to heaven by now. :(
He needs to hit a big, hairy-arsed chav in an old golf or something. It's impossible to remain aloof whilst picking up your teeth.
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Roundabouts in Spain are even worse. Drivers are still taught on multi lane roundabouts to drive on the nearside lane and indicate only when about to leave the roundabout. You have to assume that every driver is going round the roundabout.
Same here, because very few drivers can be @rsed to signal when they are coming off at the next exit. Why would they? It only benefits someone else? >:(
Er, I don't agree with this. Personally. As not indicating allows/forces that extra bit of time where you do have to wait and actually see where the person is going rather than believe their indicators or trust their driving. Especially in Spain where driving habits are even more random than here.
Spanish roads have zero grip, are poorly paved and the drivers are generally poor. Ime anyway.
I suppose if I was living and commuting there I might well feel differently though. :-\
So you never get irritated when you pull up at a roundabout and stop, only to find that the retard coming round is coming off at the previous exit, meaning you've had to stop for no reason?
Lane position, and its proper application is as much a part of negotiating junctions as indicating imho...
Have to admit with Al here as if you were in correct lane / position in road a signal would only reinforce where you intend on heading
Exactly. :y Nowhere did I say that I just see an indicator and pull out, regardless of everything else. It appears people are reading things that aren't there. ::)
It's one of the factors influencing that decision. I often find someone coming off at the exit before me, where the addition of an indicator would tip the decision in favour of me not waiting, yet they can't be @rsed.
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Police say they cant act unless insurance company tells them to go after him
Complete BOLLARDS!!!! pardoning my French!!! ::) ::) ::)
I had a similar 'incident' that I attended to yesterday, vehicle pulled out on to a roundabout & twanged another car. It was clear who was at fault when I arrived and even though there were NO apparent injuries I stuck the offending driver on for a NDAC!
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Front and rear facing camera on car.
Even in small bumbs allways ask for ambulance.
Later easy to claim.
And believe me, iam one of right of way in strict matter.
I would actually go to court and if have to pay myself to get the point and make a careless tosses don't matter what age suffer for his attitude,
Rule on roundabout right traffic first.
Never changed.
Just got lacked because fraudsters used it for claims.
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Police say they cant act unless insurance company tells them to go after him
Complete BOLLARDS!!!! pardoning my French!!! ::) ::) ::)
I had a similar 'incident' that I attended to yesterday, vehicle pulled out on to a roundabout & twanged another car. It was clear who was at fault when I arrived and even though there were NO apparent injuries I stuck the offending driver on for a NDAC!
That's good to hear Jason...for me failing to Give way is quite a big deal,surely at the very least it means your not paying attention or worse still you feel your onward journey is more important than other peoples safety.
If the insurance assessor comes to look at the car tomorrow and agrees its been hit by other party...would that be enough proof for the Police to follow this Collision with other driver,i just cannot get my head around the fact you can fail to give way and slam into someone potentially at 30mph and not even get spoken to about it. :o :o
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That bobbys talking codswallop!!!! The insurers don't instruct the police to do anything, the insurance is technically a 'civil' matter between 2 parties and they have no bearing on what (if any) action we take. In what you've described thats failing to drive 'without due care & attention' any day of the week! Did you have any independent witnesses???
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That bobbys talking codswallop!!!! The insurers don't instruct the police to do anything, the insurance is technically a 'civil' matter between 2 parties and they have no bearing on what (if any) action we take. In what you've described thats failing to drive 'without due care & attention' any day of the week! Did you have any independent witnesses???
The Officer who attended was a Special (In no way knocking the bloke,just wondering if he was clued up as a full time Officer) and the Person who I went to see at the Police station was what I assume was a civilian.
The officer who attended the Crash took notes in his pocket book...but said he wasn't doing a report as no injuries to either party,but did suggest he would attend the other drives address (400yrds from collision) as I said he seemed very disorientated,much more than you would reasonably expect...which made me think he had been on the sauce.
Its this reason ive phoned local station to get an update and was told there wouldn't be one as nothing was being looked into...only after ive got a bit wound up and said my wife has whiplash type injuries and im not happy he gets to walk away scot free they agreed to do a Report at local station.
Insurance have said pursuing the other driver is nothing to do with them other than costs and that I should speak to Police again...trouble is they seem to think its a minor bump and what's all the fuss about. :-[
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The Officer who attended was a Special :-X :-X :-X ::) ::) ::)
Should have been breathalysed at the scene, as part of the course, its the 3rd thing I do at a RTC. 1st make sure ME & the scene is safe, 2nd make sure everyones alright or not (as the case may be) 3rd make em blow!!!!
Its a shame really for Specials, expected to do a job with very little training, beat bobbies usually shy away from anything traffic orientated because they don't know what they're doin. Still its a sign of the times I'm afraid :'( :'( :'(
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The Officer who attended was a Special :-X :-X :-X ::) ::) ::)
Should have been breathalysed at the scene, as part of the course, its the 3rd thing I do at a RTC. 1st make sure ME & the scene is safe, 2nd make sure everyones alright or not (as the case may be) 3rd make em blow!!!!
Its a shame really for Specials, expected to do a job with very little training, beat bobbies usually shy away from anything traffic orientated because they don't know what they're doin. Still its a sign of the times I'm afraid :'( :'( :'(
Well your not going to believe the latest...the bloke who hit my wife,who"s details I took down,the guy I gave the details to the Policeman...the very same guy who"s car has his Intials as his Private plate.
Has told his insurance company that he had NO accident...wasn't there and knows nothing about it.
My insurance wrote to me asking to make contact with them...its then they said this chap reckons he wasn't involved and has no idea what your talking about.
So ive offerd so fax them the note he details his name/address/telephone number/insurance company...oh well that would make it hard for him to say he wasn't involved,to which ive replied with a description including age and faciual hair along with the "Im a Toff" clothes he was wearing.
Ive phoned the Police again and again ive stated that I feel that given the fact the driver failed to Give way (Insurance accessor has confirmed Gemma couldn't have been at fault due to location of damage)...cuased injury and has now denied any knowledge of the crash...surely they have grounds to take things futher.
Ive also got an independent witness (my next door neighbour who took me in his car) who see the other driver and parked his car next to the car that cuased the crash.
Sadly seems the police will not or cannot do anything...despite this crazy bastard driving around putting people at Danger.
Damn sure if a 20 stone bloke who is 6.2ft smashed his face in the police would show an intrest.
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Has told his insurance company that he had NO accident...wasn't there and knows nothing about it.
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Will he still maintain his innocence when you mention the photo's you took while at the scene. ;)
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It seems to me that getting justice in this country is a struggle because a lot of it is only available if you can pay. Insurance companies are more inclined to make you jump through hoops and ignore the fact that they should be going after the arrogant knobhead that has caused you all this grief.Also very disappointed in the fact that the police are showing no interest in the fact that there seems to be a clear case to be answered to by the other driver,as he's denying any involvement.....lying retard >:(
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Probably the same pompous moron driving his eight year old Lexus the wrong way around the North terminal car park yesterday evening inspite of twenty odd people telling him through his open window just how retarded he was >:(
And the next (https://c2.staticflickr.com/2/1377/764882536_08a4b125a8_z.jpg) I encounter doing a three point turn at the entrance barrier to the South Terminal car park is going to find two tons of E Class buried in the drivers door :-X
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quite seriously, my suggestion here is to work with your insurance company - maybe they provide some legal support.
If not then get a quote from a local body shop for the work - or perhaps two quotes. Write to him explaining that you are demanding payment and that you give him 30 days to settle. He can of course pass to his insurers if he wishes. also write to his insurers who have a statutory responsibility to take on the liability.
wait 30 days, chase, wait 15 days more and then threaten court action. If you get nothing else, issue small claims proceedings.
how do I know this works - 'cos I've just taken on royal and sun alliance the same way and got them to pay out.
remember you have his evidence and witnesses so he'll back down on lose in court. you just have to fight
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quite seriously, my suggestion here is to work with your insurance company - maybe they provide some legal support.
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Agreed. :y
As I've previously posted on other threads, when my son was in a similar position, (left hand drive lorry hit him on a roundabout) Admiral Insurance instructed their team to follow it up to do their best to prove fault, so that they could claim their money back. :y They just phoned my son to make sure he agreed to them doing so. Should add that this was after he had claimed for the damage to his car. In his case he was successful in proving the other party was at fault, so he had all of his excess and his No Claims reinstated. :y
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Probably the same pompous moron driving his eight year old Lexus the wrong way around the North terminal car park yesterday evening inspite of twenty odd people telling him through his open window just how retarded he was >:(
And the next (https://c2.staticflickr.com/2/1377/764882536_08a4b125a8_z.jpg) I encounter doing a three point turn at the entrance barrier to the South Terminal car park is going to find two tons of E Class buried in the drivers door :-X
Bugger me with a hot poker..he was 20/30 years old id say that was him.. :o (If fact if someone photo shopped Blood red trousers (the sort only Toffs wear) and brown brogues that could be a Photo ID of him...just so happends ive given details of his grey haid and grey facial hair,to Insurance just last night :)
Update from Insurance (Ive phoned them) and it seems a letter landed today from A N Other stating it was indeed my wifes fault as she refused to give way,even the claims handler was saying "Hang on here I thought his insurance denied on his behalf of any knowledge of said collision,yet quite clearly he says here that it was your wife who drove into him".
Also turns out that they have two different names from the insurance company giving one and a letter addressed directly to my insurance with a different name.
They said under data protection they couldn't give the second name... >:(
So im now thinking a male in his 60"s - 70"s driving a New ish Vectra C...doesn't stop at the time,but returns possibly upto 10 mins later,very shaken and blames my wife for the accident...gives his details and buggers off before Police arrive.
Well if he wasn't the policy holder (The policy holder denies any knowledge of the accident) he could be the named driver,as Gemma is on my policy,id say that his name would appear on the insurance data base,so I doubt he was a named driver.
Due to his age and his dress sense (upper middle class toff) im now thinking maybe he borrowed his son/daughter/wife's car for what ever reason thinking the chances of a prang is minimal so why worry,hit the wife and tried to make out its her fault.
The more worrying thought I had is what if the old boy has had license revoked due to health or age...or even worse banned for drink driving (the special did say that the blokes age range were the worse offenders).
Yes the above is wildly speculative...but why would he give false details (which I feel has been proven as Mr * * **** has denied all knowledge of the collision)...so the driver has something to hide,if he didn't then a simple admission of guilt to a pretty minor (in the grand scheme of things) bump would have seen this wrapped up a week ago.
Now we have the Policy holder stating they have no knowledge of the collision and the driver (who ever that is) stating my wife drove into them,despite the damage to her car being consistant with a car driving into her.
The claims handler asked me to explain the collision...ok so look at a clock (not digital you silly boy),My wife joined the roundabout at 6 o"clock...passed exit at 8 o"clock...started passing the entry to roundabout at 10 o"clock,when Mr **** hit her Front near side wing/wheel she was approx. at the 11 o"clock/12 o"clock postion.
This impact made her loose control (Track rod bar snapped causing both her wheels to point in at a 45 degree angle)..hitting the roundabout and coming to a stop Between 3 o"clock and 4 o"clock (4 o"clock is the entry from opposite direction) causing the traffic to stop and avoid hitting her.
Soon as id given that long winded explanation he said straight away..."How can he possibly say your wife is at fault as she was already on the roundabout as she had already passed the 1st exit...what a bizarre man".
Think this is going to drag on...however the good news is the insurance acceser states the damage is £2750 to fix...so we agreed over the phone to £1950 with car bought back for 20%.
Picked up a lovely Executive spec Galaxy (6 leather seats,all recline with built in sat nav) for a bargain price (lucky just had my tax rebate)...so all happy on that side.
Sadly the wife is feeling banged up and is doing a genuine (no really it is) personal injury claim...nothing huge but had two weeks off work now and physio Tuesday...poor cow still nervous about driving.
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As said before, tell your wife not to be fobbed off her injury claim, my wife still suffers pain from an identical incident, although far less damage than yours! :y
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As said before, tell your wife not to be fobbed off her injury claim, my wife still suffers pain from an identical incident, although far less damage than yours! :y
Yes fully agree and did take note to your post...im glad Gemma is oblivious to people who point the finger and label claimers as Ambulance chasers.
She just wants to recover what she has lost. :y