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Title: Lawn mower help
Post by: Jimbob on 17 September 2014, 16:45:51
My Dad's 40 year old Webb mower's clutch handle has worn away :

(http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa229/littlejimmym/misc%20car/20140912_185553_zps14340778.jpg) (http://s202.photobucket.com/user/littlejimmym/media/misc%20car/20140912_185553_zps14340778.jpg.html)

(http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa229/littlejimmym/misc%20car/20140912_185512_zpsf683980b.jpg) (http://s202.photobucket.com/user/littlejimmym/media/misc%20car/20140912_185512_zpsf683980b.jpg.html)

Mower worth nothing, except sentimentally, and he likes it and would like to continue using it.

Any ideas on fixing that handle?
Parts apparently not available, but I dont know if that handle could be cut off and a new modern handle added, would it matter?
Title: Re: Lawn mower help
Post by: 05omegav6 on 17 September 2014, 16:53:24
A bike brake lever from Halfrods perhaps... :y

Just grind the old handle off and bolt new one to the bar...
Title: Re: Lawn mower help
Post by: Jimbob on 17 September 2014, 16:56:15
A bike brake lever from Halfrods perhaps... :y

Just grind the old handle off and bolt new one to the bar...

Thats the sort of thing I was thinking of, I cant remember if it needs the locking mech on it or not, Not used it myself in best part of 20 years, but there must be something aftermarket that would do, Is length of travel important?
Title: Re: Lawn mower help
Post by: Jimbob on 17 September 2014, 16:58:58
Could just send him on a roadtrip....
This one is identical to his.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Webb-14-petrol-lawnmower-with-Briggs-Stratton-engine-/231334842062?pt=UK_Garden_Lawnmowers&hash=item35dca18ece
Title: Re: Lawn mower help
Post by: 05omegav6 on 17 September 2014, 17:01:24
Such a design of lever only has a limited range of movement, so should be perfectly adequate, and if the rest position of the retaining block on the end of the cable is still in the correct position the all should be well :-\

Presumably the cable is adjustable anyways, so a mm or two either way should be fine :y

Of course there is the road trip option ;D
Title: Re: Lawn mower help
Post by: Entwood on 17 September 2014, 17:09:45
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Clutch-cable-lever-and-actuator-arm-from-a-Webb-14-mower-/301314997305?pt=UK_Lawnmower_Parts_Accessories&hash=item4627c5fc39

???

Title: Re: Lawn mower help
Post by: Jimbob on 17 September 2014, 17:20:03
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Clutch-cable-lever-and-actuator-arm-from-a-Webb-14-mower-/301314997305?pt=UK_Lawnmower_Parts_Accessories&hash=item4627c5fc39

???



Not a million miles away, need to see it in the flesh and work out what is and isnt possible etc, no idea on other end of cable etc
Title: Re: Lawn mower help
Post by: Jimbob on 17 September 2014, 17:29:20
Yes. Lock is needed to keep it stationary when emptying etc
Title: Re: Lawn mower help
Post by: 05omegav6 on 17 September 2014, 17:34:44
Yes. Lock is needed to keep it stationary when emptying etc
Simple loop of chain around the handlebar to loop over the handle to hold the clutch open as required...
Title: Re: Lawn mower help
Post by: Jimbob on 17 September 2014, 17:36:15
Ahh yes. Or locking garden tie etc to slip over and hold
Title: Re: Lawn mower help
Post by: 05omegav6 on 17 September 2014, 17:38:37
Ahh yes. Or locking garden tie etc to slip over and hold
Chain might be a better bet given the implications of breakage :-\

Actually, scrap that, one of the small stretchy hair bands that get used for pony tails etc :y
Title: Re: Lawn mower help
Post by: Jimbob on 17 September 2014, 17:40:18
Aye. Variety of possibilities. Even a few split rings / key rings joined together may work brilliantly
Title: Re: Lawn mower help
Post by: Andy B on 17 September 2014, 18:50:27
Chop the worn bit off, weld a new bit of metal in place & then file to suit!  ;)
Title: Re: Lawn mower help
Post by: Jimbob on 17 September 2014, 19:08:54
Chop the worn bit off, weld a new bit of metal in place & then file to suit!  ;)

Don't know if that's feasible yet but the same technique was used on my old bonnet catch successfully.

Hopefully know more about exactly what's what in a few days when I can have a look.
Title: Re: Lawn mower help
Post by: Kevin Wood on 17 September 2014, 19:14:11
Looking at it, doesn't it work the other way round to a bike brake? I.E pulls the cable when released? :-\

Not sure from the picture. Bike brake lever would be a nice easy option if it works though.
Title: Re: Lawn mower help
Post by: aaronjb on 17 September 2014, 20:32:53
By the look of it you could probably just tease the handle apart a little and weld a couple of penny washers onto the inside to re-form the hole the hinge runs in..
Title: Re: Lawn mower help
Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 17 September 2014, 20:35:18
Post it to me and I will do a weld reconstruction with washers to replace the worn metal  :y
Title: Re: Lawn mower help
Post by: chrisgixer on 17 September 2014, 21:29:32
Shimano did a push the cable outer, rather than pull the metal inner type brake lever.
Title: Re: Lawn mower help
Post by: Andy B on 17 September 2014, 22:30:49
Looks like a normal pull cable to me ........  :-\ didn't know you could push a cable  ???
Title: Re: Lawn mower help
Post by: 05omegav6 on 17 September 2014, 22:39:23
Looks like a normal pull cable to me ........  :-\ didn't know you could push a cable  ???
No reason why not if it's suitably sheathed... :y
Title: Re: Lawn mower help
Post by: chrisgixer on 17 September 2014, 22:45:03
Looks like a normal pull cable to me ........  :-\ didn't know you could push a cable  ???

What's the difference? The result at the caliper (or whatever) end is exactly the same.

The inner goes one way, the outer goes tother. ???
Title: Re: Lawn mower help
Post by: Andy B on 17 September 2014, 22:49:13
Looks like a normal pull cable to me ........  :-\ didn't know you could push a cable  ???
No reason why not if it's suitably sheathed... :y

The outer of the cable looks pretty static to me ......
Title: Re: Lawn mower help
Post by: Jimbob on 19 September 2014, 11:43:28
Well, normal cable, and handle came off no problem at all...
Looks like it hasnt seen a blob of grease in a long long time looking at the wear...
Any further thoughts & confirmations? 
Still think this looks washer and weldable?

(http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa229/littlejimmym/misc%20car/IMG_0955_zps6ccb090f.jpg) (http://s202.photobucket.com/user/littlejimmym/media/misc%20car/IMG_0955_zps6ccb090f.jpg.html)

(http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa229/littlejimmym/misc%20car/IMG_0956_zps0376f001.jpg) (http://s202.photobucket.com/user/littlejimmym/media/misc%20car/IMG_0956_zps0376f001.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Lawn mower help
Post by: Andy H on 19 September 2014, 12:18:52
Well, normal cable, and handle came off no problem at all...
Looks like it hasnt seen a blob of grease in a long long time looking at the wear...
Any further thoughts & confirmations? 
Still think this looks washer and weldable?

Definitely :y (but a short piece of tube would probably be easier to align than washers and would provide a greater wearing surface)

Worth putting a new pivot pin in at the same time....

PS on second thoughts... a stack of washers would look like a tube once welded together.
Title: Re: Lawn mower help
Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 19 September 2014, 12:40:13
Yep, washer and weld (or tube and weld) plus a new pivot turned up in the lathe.  :y
Title: Re: Lawn mower help
Post by: Andy H on 19 September 2014, 14:48:39
The last part of the jigsaw is the fixed bracket that the pivot runs in - having seen the wear on the pivot and handle I expect the holes in the fixed bracket to be oval too :-\
Title: Re: Lawn mower help
Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 19 September 2014, 14:51:39
I would of expected there to be more wear towards out the outer ends of the pivot pin if that was the case  :y
Title: Re: Lawn mower help
Post by: Jimbob on 19 September 2014, 14:54:09
The remainder of the bracket is sound. Looked round to me

Cheers for the offer Mark. Will be in the post shortly ta