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Omega Help Area => Omega General Help => Topic started by: Bigron on 22 September 2014, 14:08:23
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Yesterday, I found the rear nearside foot-well full of water, and as I park nose-up on a sloping drive t obviously came from the front - carpet wet there, too.
On Saturday we had a tremendous thunderstorm with torrential rain and I'm hoping that since the water didn't smell of anti-freeze, it was rainwater on the carpets.
Is it reasonable to assume that a full nearside scuttle drain would be the cause? I had a good look in daylight today but hardly any water visible, but there was some debris on what looks like a big rubber grommet at the bottom.
Any comments, help or advice would be appreciated please, gents.
Ron.
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That's classic blocked scuttle... drain in question is below the big wiring loom that runs past the pollen filter, and a bit of a pig to get at... either some 30 amp cable or a hoover with a long, thin nozzle :y
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That's classic blocked scuttle... drain in question is below the big wiring loom that runs past the pollen filter, and a bit of a pig to get at... either some 30 amp cable or a hoover with a long, thin nozzle :y
Or the air nozzle on the compressor, eh Al? ;D *poof* and Al disappeared into a cloud of leaves.
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Wow, thank you for such a quick response. Is that big grommet meant to allow water to pass through it? It really looks quite solid, peering down the chamber with my little torch!
I haven't taken the pollen filter out yet, is it likely to have suffered?
Thanks again,
Ron.
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........ either some 30 amp cable or a hoover with a long, thin nozzle :y
or a stick :y :y
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Is that big grommet meant to allow water to pass through it?...
Yes. :y
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I haven't taken the pollen filter out yet, is it likely to have suffered?
Thanks again,
Ron.
Probably :( Remove it and let it dry until you get a replacement ;)
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Is that big grommet meant to allow water to pass through it?...
Yes. :y
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I haven't taken the pollen filter out yet, is it likely to have suffered?
Thanks again,
Ron.
Probably :( Remove it and let it dry until you get a replacement ;)
Also make sure the climate control "hedgehog" and all the associated wiring around it are bone dry before powering up ... several folks who have had scuttle floods have subsequently had climate problems due to knackered "hedgehogs" .. they don't appear to like getting wet .. hardly surprising as they are electronic devices ..... :'( :'(
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That's classic blocked scuttle... drain in question is below the big wiring loom that runs past the pollen filter, and a bit of a pig to get at... either some 30 amp cable or a hoover with a long, thin nozzle :y
Or the air nozzle on the compressor, eh Al? ;D *poof* and Al disappeared into a cloud of leaves.
;D ;D ;D
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Yep..........I had about eight inches of water and wet leaves blocking mine. :-\
I removed the rubber bung leaving a large hole but replaced it when told that 'nasty niffs' would enter the cabin without it.
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Thank you all for your helpful comments; at least I am reassured that it isn't a major coolant leak - phew!
Um, what "nasty niffs", Dr, Opti?
I did run the heater, on cold, to try to dry some of the water out but gave that up as futile. It was on for maybe 1/2 hour, so let's hope the poor hedgehog didn't suffer.
The mats are out and washed, but it's best to let the carpet itself dry naturally, yes?
Ron.
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Takes five minutes to pull the carpets... just be careful not to rip the rear carpet as you lift it out.
All you need is to lift the front edge of the rear seat, remove the trims from the outer front seat runner and slacken the inboard rear runner bolt about 1/4" :y
Removing allows you to dry them properly and dry the floorpan properly as well as there is about 3/4" of insulation beneath the carpet...
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Thank you all for your helpful comments; at least I am reassured that it isn't a major coolant leak - phew!
Um, what "nasty niffs", Dr, Opti?
I did run the heater, on cold, to try to dry some of the water out but gave that up as futile. It was on for maybe 1/2 hour, so let's hope the poor hedgehog didn't suffer.
The mats are out and washed, but it's best to let the carpet itself dry naturally, yes?
Ron.
According to Mark DTM the shape of the rubber bung means it effectively acts as a one way valve. Water passes through but 'nasty niffs' from the engine are not allowed into the cabin via the AC system. According to 'Master' one of these 'nasty niffs' is carbon monoxide.....which can be fatal. :y
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Totally brilliant advice once again, gents; I definitely do not want carbon monoxide in the cabin.
May I seek clarification please, "play well"? The runners you refer to are on the front seats and the trim is the plastic cover just inside the sill, yes?
Ron.
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Totally brilliant advice once again, gents; I definitely do not want carbon monoxide in the cabin.
May I seek clarification please, "play well"? The runners you refer to are on the front seats and the trim is the plastic cover just inside the sill, yes?
Ron.
Yup to both... most of the cover pulls forward, rear lump is held on by one crosshead screw :y the actual sill cover panel can stay put :y
Oh nearly forgot, need a 21mm socket to undo the lower seatbelt bolt as it goes through the carpet...
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nobody has told Big Ron that the grommet has a outlet , mine points to the front of the car and it is this that gets blocked.
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Thought being a drain rather than a plug this would be obvious. The maintenance guide for it is clear enough :y
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Ah, "play well". you over-estimate my intelligence! Yes, I got the term "drain", but in those murky depths I can see naff-all and could not for the life of me see how it could be a drain when all I could feel with a long, thin stick was a blind grommet and no drain hole.
Thanks for the clarification, "robson", I will get some kind of light down there and keep poking.......
Ron.
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;D the drain rubber is directly underneath the wiring loom you can just get a finger to. It exits through a separate hole which is kind of tucked between the bulkhead and chassis rail a little ways south of the PAS reservoir :y
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if you find it daunting to remove the carpets, why not beg, steal, borrow or hire a good quality wet vacuum and suck the worst of the water out !
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You have to have very small hands to get a finger down to the grommet. Sounds a bit rude :y
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Not only great advice but entertainment on here as well! Thanks, "robson", but my fingers are big and fat (like the rest of me), as those who have seen much of my typing will testify - quite good for other things, though......
Ron.
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(https://www.dropbox.com/s/uzg7xesrgf09o31/IMG_20140812_203144.jpg?dl=0)
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You have to have very small hands to get a finger down to the grommet. Sounds a bit rude :y
Agreed. I used a pair of long-nosed pliers to pull it out. :y
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Is that rude as well, Doctor Opti?
::)
Ron.
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Be careful if your pokingk it ;D as you can damage the loom :(
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if you find it daunting to remove the carpets, why not beg, steal, borrow or hire a good quality wet vacuum and suck the worst of the water out !
Carpets out is the only way to dry it out properly...
Rear carpet has 3/4" undelay stuck to it and the front carpets sit on what looks like a type of rubber, but is infact a sponge with a hard crust to it. Both these will trap moisture, leading to rusting and damp related problems.
Besides, removing/refitting the carpets is about 30mins work at most :y