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Omega Help Area => Omega General Help => Topic started by: smalt36 on 10 November 2014, 07:05:18
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Sorry it's another cam sensor post, I know you'll tell me I shouldn't have but I got a fae camsensor from euro parts as I don't see how they could sell a £50 parts that dosnt work, however after fitting car still won't fire up but only fault code I have is for cam sensor, Local vauxhall garage says only faulty crank sensor would prevent starting and dosnt always throw a code up. My main question to you experts is is it true what the garage says and should the fae sensor at least do it's job for a while?! Cheers for any help
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Genuine CAM sensor, from a genuine dealer, that you genuinely have to go to :y
Nothing else will do :y
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Cost is always an issue, so matter how much money we have, so I appreciate why you've gone down the non-GM route; however I'm a strong advocate of used Genuine Vx parts being better than many brand-new pattern parts. Have you tried the Omega Spares guy on ebay? He's well known to OOFers, and a good bloke, comes highly rated. Has pretty much everything, too :y
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Thanks for the replays, pretty much what I expected, do you know the ebay guys name ? Still don't get how they can sell this part if it's not gonna work 😡
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Sadly, the simple answer is - because you paid for it. You want a brand new ipad for £75?? Send me £75 and I'll send you an ipad... when an etch-a-sketch arrives you're annoyed, but I've got £75 quid...
Happier news... here's the feller...
http://stores.ebay.co.uk/omegasparepartscall07706495877?_trksid=p2047675.l2563
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Cost is always an issue, so matter how much money we have, so I appreciate why you've gone down the non-GM route; however I'm a strong advocate of used Genuine Vx parts being better than many brand-new pattern parts. Have you tried the Omega Spares guy on ebay? He's well known to OOFers, and a good bloke, comes highly rated. Has pretty much everything, too :y
It's been proven time and time again that where Crank and Cam sensors are concerned, only genuine will do.
Sure you might save £20 against a genuine one, but you WILL be buying a genuine one anyway... so the reality is that by not buying the cheapy one first you have actually saved £50 or there abouts ::)
Steve is a too bloke, and I can personally recommend his service :y Ring him BEFORE buying through ebay and be sure to mention the forum. That way, he knows who you are :y
Just remember a second hand genuine sensor is only a temporary fix, so budget for a new one. From your most convenient Vauxhall dealer :y
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In parts section, 5th sticky down you will find this link
http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/index.php?topic=94291.0
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Cam sensor is very important to the 4 pots running. Don't mess about.
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Thanks for the replys I have now ordered vauxhall one as the ebay guy hasn't any in at the mo. Guess I deserve all the flack I'm getting as should have known better 😱😱😱
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Thanks for the replys I have now ordered vauxhall one as the ebay guy hasn't any in at the mo. Guess I deserve all the flack I'm getting as should have known better 😱😱😱
Not cheap are they ;D
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Thanks for the replys I have now ordered vauxhall one as the ebay guy hasn't any in at the mo. Guess I deserve all the flack I'm getting as should have known better 😱😱😱
It's not flack :y
You're not the first person to buy a pattern sensor, only to have it fail in short order, and sadly, I very much doubt you will be the last :-\ but if one person reads this or similar threads and takes the advice on board, then all is well :y
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Thanks for the replys I have now ordered vauxhall one as the ebay guy hasn't any in at the mo. Guess I deserve all the flack I'm getting as should have known better 😱😱😱
Not cheap are they ;D
Not if you ignore the cost and aggro of the pattern one :D
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The thing is it hasn't worked at all, surely every one that buys one sends it back so they must know there no good?
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Accept that everything that euroshiteparts sell is shite. If you actually get something reasonable from there, consider it a bonus ;D
I'm sure that sensor is not unique to the Omega, and used on lots of Siemens managed cars. Maybe the Omega is particularly fussy due to placement and nearby signal hostility? Either way, its been proven that the pattern ones rarely work, even when sold by reputable suppliers, let alone those scumbags at euroshiteparts.
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The thing is it hasn't worked at all, surely every one that buys one sends it back so they must know there no good?
It is generally accepted that if replacing sensors of any sort, that patter sensors are utterly shite. Or never work for a reasonable amount of time to justify the saving.
Maf sensors, abs sensors, crank sensors, cam sensors, etc etc.... Coilpacks, dis pacs, and so on. By cheap, buy twice. Therefor not cheap.
Coil PACs and dis pacs on omega can be sauced from a factors or genuine bosch, and are cheaper than dealers.
But sensors? Dealer only! Might be on trade club, or available at trade prices.
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A lad at work had a pattern crank sensor fitted to his VAG car by a local garage. Car ran for a short while then packed in, so he took it to VW where they diagnosed a faulty/damaged loom that supplied the crank sensor. £££££s later the car still wouldn't run properly, so then eventually VW noticed that the car had a pattern sensor fitted. Changed it for a genuine OE sensor & BINGO! The car was sorted. So now Buck wants his money back for the loom they fitted unnecessarily & VW don't want to give it him.
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A lad at work had a pattern crank sensor fitted to his VAG car by a local garage. Car ran for a short while then packed in, so he took it to VW where they diagnosed a faulty/damaged loom that supplied the crank sensor. £££££s later the car still wouldn't run properly, so then eventually VW noticed that the car had a pattern sensor fitted. Changed it for a genuine OE sensor & BINGO! The car was sorted. So now Buck wants his money back for the loom they fitted unnecessarily & VW don't want to give it him.
I can sense the surprise at that, or rather the lack of, from here ::)
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A lad at work had a pattern crank sensor fitted to his VAG car by a local garage. Car ran for a short while then packed in, so he took it to VW where they diagnosed a faulty/damaged loom that supplied the crank sensor. £££££s later the car still wouldn't run properly, so then eventually VW noticed that the car had a pattern sensor fitted. Changed it for a genuine OE sensor & BINGO! The car was sorted. So now Buck wants his money back for the loom they fitted unnecessarily & VW don't want to give it him.
A colleague had some success with getting refunds from MB when they fitted a new SAM to his Smart (as requested) but never sealed the leak, and wanted to charge him another £600 to replace the SAM 6 weeks later...
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..... when they fitted a new SAM to his Smart (as requested) but never sealed the leak, and wanted to charge him another £600 to replace the SAM 6 weeks later...
Doesn't surprise me. On the Roadster (no idea about the others) the need to seal the scuttle area under the wiper mechanism is well documented - that's about the only place her Smart didn't/hasn't leaked from (yet ::))
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Maybe the Omega is particularly fussy due to placement and nearby signal hostility?
Yes it is, there was some discussion over this matter on the VectraSport forums many years ago (X20XEV used on the Vectra B), seems GM made some modification to the wiring spec for the cam sensor as the cable would harden and go brittle and the shielding would fail IIRC.
On the X20XEV if you have no start at all it is often BOTH the Cam and the Crank sensor because either one working will allow the engine to be persuaded to begrudgingly start and run in limp mode. Don't trust a code reader, even Tech II to accurately diagnose this
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..... when they fitted a new SAM to his Smart (as requested) but never sealed the leak, and wanted to charge him another £600 to replace the SAM 6 weeks later...
Doesn't surprise me. On the Roadster (no idea about the others) the need to seal the scuttle area under the wiper mechanism is well documented - that's about the only place her Smart didn't/hasn't leaked from (yet ::))
They all do. They are all poorly designed, poorly built pieces of shite (ignoring what fun they can actually be for a mo). But owned by MB, so they must be good ::)
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They all do. They are all poorly designed, poorly built pieces of shite (ignoring what fun they can actually be for a mo). But owned by MB, so they must be good ::)
I agree with all the above, though you missed out - built in France ::) ...... but it's fun to drive all the same ;). I think Airfix must've had an input to the interior design ::) ;D
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Quick look on line,if you have an isuzu dealer near you,it maybe cheaper from them,i think they add an 8 infront of the vx part number.
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Well new vauxhall sensor fitted and still no start, so would you go the crank sensor route?
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Is it a a Saloon or estate and is the fuel light on?
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Well new vauxhall sensor fitted and still no start, so would you go the crank sensor route?
Assuming yours is petrol, dodgy crank sensor will not prevent a 4-pot from starting eventually
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Half tank of fuel, from reading on hear it seemed classic cam sensor, starting in limp mode sometimes, so assumed it had finally packed up. Thats the opposite to what local vaux garage told me, he said cam sensor wouldnt stop it sxtarting but crank sensor would?
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Sorry Estate
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Sorry Estate
How much fuel in the tank ?
The estate seems to need more than 1/4 tank before it will start if it hasn't been used for a while. You wouldn't be the first person to pull the engine apart looking for a problem that was really caused by a lack of fuel. :(
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Where's the delete button :( just noticed your previous post where you said you had half a tank.......
(lack of sleep is my excuse)
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Half a tank is plenty :y Does the fuel pump run when the ignition is first switched on?
Checking for fuel and spark are both free tests before splashing for a crank sensor, assuming that it doesn't have a pattern one fitted currently...
As RobG says, it should eventually fire with a duff crank sensor, so the fact it isn't inspite of the genuine cam sensor suggests the possibility of another issue :-\
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Thanks lads will check for fuel/ spark. I thought it was gonna fire straight up as it did try the very 1st try but then it's just cranking over with no hint of firing up.
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Just been to car, now thinking maybe fuel pump as can't here it when turn key just a faint click in engine bay
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Is there any pressure at the fuel rail?
If not, is fuse 18 in the dash fuse box intact? If fuse ok, swap the two purple relays in the engine bay fuse box. One is for the fuel pump, tother is for the injectors.
Turn the ignition on again. If you can now hear the fuel pump, then the relay was faulty... not that uncommon, if not then suspect the fuel pump...
Hth :y
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Can't post pic but is fuel rail above inlet manifold? There's no pressure when push pin in on that under the black cap. Will check fuse/ relay later thanks for reply
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That's it :y
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Well can report my saga is over, thankyou Taxi Al, went to check the fuse you said, seems it had worked loose a bit, pulled it out very easily, pushed it back in and Bingo, started 1st click !! At least its got its new cam sensor which it had been asking for at lives to fight another day :) :)
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... and Bingo, started 1st click !! .....
:y :y :y Result!
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Glad to hear it :y