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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: Terbs on 27 November 2014, 10:55:41
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hi all.....as title,
How long can you have a car in this country with foreign plates.
Speed cameras in the back of police vans, do they/can they... do you when coming at them, or going away from them.
Sorry totally different, but it saves paper ;D :y
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1) 3 months I think, but probably routinely ignored. ::)
2) Hope not as I passed a Police car yesterday coming the other way. I was doing about 38.... in a 30. :(
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I think it's six months, same as licence in any case... noticed alot of right-hand drive cars with eastern european plates on... suspect they simply swap the plate off whatever pos they arrive in :-X
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Depends on the vehicle, what system and how it's being used... if operator outside with a tripod likely only one way, but nothing to stop the van having two or more cameras in use :-\ Sorry Sir Tigger...
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Terb
don't know the answer to your first question. I do know that the subject comes up regularly in reverse on Expat forums. i.e. how long can I keep a Brit reg car in Spain . Typically the answer is complicated. If you are resident in Spain you have to start proceedings to put it on Spanish plates after 90 days. That involves it ceasing to be on DVLA records and having a Spanish log book, Spanish MOT, insurance and tax. A non resident can keep the car in Spain indefinitely on UK plates so long as it is not used for more than 6 months in a year and has a valid UK tax and MOT and of course insurance. A Spanish MOT is not acceptable so you would have no option but to take it back to the UK for an MOT.
What used to happen was Brits came over and just kept on driving their car often without an MOT, insurance or tax of course. How could the local police know? Once in that situation is was difficult to get out. You could only get the vehicle back to and into the Uk on a transporter for about £500. Well now they have got smart and under an Eu initiative they have had access to online and mobile UK databases. Still not foolproof as you could clone a car.
Similarly in the Uk the police just did a multi national exercise in the South East (most common entry and exit point for vehicles) to clamp down on foreign offenders. There they had access to other countries databases.
On a peronal note, I think that if the Eu is serious about the free movement of people then they should be able to take their cars with them without re registering so long as they were kept legal. Don't forget that in most countries re registering actually costs real money- maybe 4% of the value. The police should just have access to the relevant databases
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I think it's six months, same as licence in any case... noticed alot of right-hand drive cars with eastern european plates on... suspect they simply swap the plate off whatever pos they arrive in :-X
Both :-X
Depends on the vehicle, what system and how it's being used... if operator outside with a tripod likely only one way, but nothing to stop the van having two or more cameras in use :-\ Sorry Sir Tigger...
Driving licence? If it is a credit card size with photo , you can continue using it for its validity in Spain. That could be up to ten years. I suspect the same rules apply in the reverse in the UK.
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That's very interesting, Varche :y
So someone from an Eastern European country who works over here, but goes home regularly, are they classed as residents.
So, looking at the replies, if this person went back regularly, does that mean the car can stay as EU registered, or because it will spend more time in the UK than abroad, it has to be UK registered.
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As regards the camera...
Swmbo passed a parked police van, which was facing her as she approached it, admits she may have been going slightly over 30, but not a lot. Did not realise it was a camera van. On the way back, she had cruise control on and saw it was a camera van, but was within the 30 limit.
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That's very interesting, Varche :y
So someone from an Eastern European country who works over here, but goes home regularly, are they classed as residents.
So, looking at the replies, if this person went back regularly, does that mean the car can stay as EU registered, or because it will spend more time in the UK than abroad, it has to be UK registered.
Again not such a straight forward question. Simple answer is you are resident where you pay tax- usually your main place of interest. That could be where your wife and children live, where you keep your possessions you don't take to where you go to work. In Spain if you live there six months or more then that is where you pay tax on your worldwide income. In Britain it is as little as 90 days. All not easy to police unless the authorities are actually looking at you.
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A foreign plated vehicle must be UK registered and have British tax paid if in the country for six months in any 12 month period.
ANPR camera vans will have cameras operational in all directions, but the speed cameras will usually be pointed through the rear of the vehicle.
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As regards the camera...
Swmbo passed a parked police van, which was facing her as she approached it, admits she may have been going slightly over 30, but not a lot. Did not realise it was a camera van. On the way back, she had cruise control on and saw it was a camera van, but was within the 30 limit.
Slightly over 30 is no problem. 36 or 37 might be. I have passed them at around 35 and never heard anything.
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Great feedback, all.
Lizzie, so I read your your post as.....if the vehicle is physically in the UK for a total of six months, irrespective of how long the stays are, if that amounts to 183 days over the course of twelve months, the vehicle should be UK registered. Or do you mean a consecutive six months during the twelve months :y
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Great feedback, all.
Lizzie, so I read your your post as.....if the vehicle is physically in the UK for a total of six months, irrespective of how long the stays are, if that amounts to 183 days over the course of twelve months, the vehicle should be UK registered. Or do you mean a consecutive six months during the twelve months :y
The latter terbert :y
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Got caught last year 47 in a 40 by a camera van was going in the opposite direction. £80.00 and a afternoon of work on a coarse. Barstewards. >:(
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I too have been raped by the feds in a van. I spotted it early on, but as they were on the opposite carriageway, I thought nothing of it.
A4174 Avon Ring Road, Dual Carriageway, and it's a bloody 50 limit (in places). I got done at 68MPH.
So yeah, at least in my experience, they work in both directions. The bastards.
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Foreign plates! Hmmm, now there's an idea. ::) ::) ;) ;D ;D ;D ;D
ANPR and speed cameras become irrelevant. :y
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Excuse my ignorance.... but are you saying moving police vans with camera's can get you !!!!!
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Excuse my ignorance.... but are you saying moving police vans with camera's can get you !!!!!
No the vans are parked up. i/we were travelling in the opposite direction. :-[ :'(
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Excuse my ignorance.... but are you saying moving police vans with camera's can get you !!!!!
Any given Police force could fit VASCAR to every vehicle on the fleet if they were desperate to catch every single speeder and ne'erdowell...
Camera vans tend to sit where they have maximum impact, and are essentially shooting fish in a barrel ::) modern lidar/camera tech means that a single camera can process several lanes of traffic at once rather than needing a camera per lane :y
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Excuse my ignorance.... but are you saying moving police vans with camera's can get you !!!!!
Any given Police force could fit VASCAR to every vehicle on the fleet if they were desperate to catch every single speeder and ne'erdowell...
Camera vans tend to sit where they have maximum impact, and are essentially shooting fish in a barrel ::) modern lidar/camera tech means that a single camera can process several lanes of traffic at once rather than needing a camera per lane :y
That would not be operationally possible Al as a high percentage of local patrol cars are used for non-speed enforcement roles with officers not qualified / allotted to enforce traffic speed limits, being either basic drivers or/and assigned to other police duties. Therefore VASCAR equipment would not be used. The traffic division cars, and those vans allocated to speed enforcement are so equipped as they are in constant use by trained officers. ;) There are also armed response units, and other specialist role cars that would also not benefit from the installation of such equipment.
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I direct the honourable lass to the fifth word of my post... ::)
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I direct the honourable lass to the fifth word of my post... ::)
Bully! you made her log out.......... ::) ::) :-X ;)
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I direct the honourable lass to the fifth word of my post... ::)
Bully! you made her log out.......... ::) ::) :-X ;)
Back on now :y
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I direct the honourable lass to the fifth word of my post... ::)
Yep, you said "could" Al, and I have explained why not ::) :D ;) ;)
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I direct the honourable lass to the fifth word of my post... ::)
Yep, you said "could" Al, and I have explained why not ::) :D ;) ;)
The drivers only need to leave the system on, chasing can be done by post...
That said the £6000 unit cost might upset the budget :D
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I direct the honourable lass to the fifth word of my post... ::)
Yep, you said "could" Al, and I have explained why not ::) :D ;) ;)
The drivers only need to leave the system on, chasing can be done by post...
That said the £6000 unit cost might upset the budget :D
That is certainly one of the factors, along with the other issues I stated, when it would be little used in the majority of marked police vehicles most of the time. Investment in ANPR is a far superior operational choice. :y :y
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£6000 unit cost :o :o :o Wow, that's cheap!!!
We just ordered new kit to be fitted to our traffic fleet, comes with a few more noughts than that! Just had a look at one they done as a taster - Excellent piece of kit though, but Bloody expensive >:(
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£6000 unit cost :o :o :o Wow, that's cheap!!!
We just ordered new kit to be fitted to our traffic fleet, comes with a few more noughts than that! Just had a look at one they done as a taster - Excellent piece of kit though, but Bloody expensive >:(
I could sell you a couple of sticks of chalk, a tape measure and a stopwatch for a very cheap price of £100 :y ;D
Sod it!, I'll throw caution to the wind, and even include crayons and notepad to work out the sums :) ;D
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£6000 unit cost :o :o :o Wow, that's cheap!!!
We just ordered new kit to be fitted to our traffic fleet, comes with a few more noughts than that! Just had a look at one they done as a taster - Excellent piece of kit though, but Bloody expensive >:(
Was talking to a policeman friend in the pub t'other day, he was extolling the virtues of a new piece of kit that was being trialed .. seems it records video, measures speed, compares speed to database settings (a bit like my TomTom does - hope its a tad more accurate!), automatically records number plate info via ANPR, and has a permanent datalink to check that ANPR data for RFL/Insurance/MOT as well as outstanding fines, missing court appearances etc etc without the "operator" needing to do anything... if it detects ANYTHING that it "thinks" wrong it simply flags up an alert ... up to the operator to then decide if any action can/need be taken ...
Is that the sort of thing your new kit does ???
"big brother" certainly seems to be watching !!
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Yup Entwood, that's the sort of thing, plus something more that's :-X :-X :-X
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Is that the sort of thing your new kit does ???
"big brother" certainly seems to be watching !!
Sounds like step 2 will be to remove the expensive flesh things from the police cars and have it automatically disable the target vehicle and do away with the driver.. ;D
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as well as outstanding fines, missing court appearances etc etc without .....
of the driver or registered keeper ::)
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£6000 unit cost :o :o :o Wow, that's cheap!!!
We just ordered new kit to be fitted to our traffic fleet, comes with a few more noughts than that! Just had a look at one they done as a taster - Excellent piece of kit though, but Bloody expensive >:(
Was talking to a policeman friend in the pub t'other day, he was extolling the virtues of a new piece of kit that was being trialed .. seems it records video, measures speed, compares speed to database settings (a bit like my TomTom does - hope its a tad more accurate!), automatically records number plate info via ANPR, and has a permanent datalink to check that ANPR data for RFL/Insurance/MOT as well as outstanding fines, missing court appearances etc etc without the "operator" needing to do anything... if it detects ANYTHING that it "thinks" wrong it simply flags up an alert ... up to the operator to then decide if any action can/need be taken ...
Is that the sort of thing your new kit does ???
"big brother" certainly seems to be watching !!
You carnt get in or out of Swindon without going past an APNR camera....(unless you know the 'back' roads)..... I would think most towns/cities are the same....
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Sounds like step 2 will be to remove the expensive flesh things from the police cars and have it automatically disable the target vehicle and do away with the driver..
Suits me! ;D ;D ;D
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Sounds like step 2 will be to remove the expensive flesh things from the police cars and have it automatically disable the target vehicle and do away with the driver..
Suits me! ;D ;D ;D
More time to eat donuts :D :D
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You carnt get in or out of Swindon without going past an APNR camera....(unless you know the 'back' roads)..... I would think most towns/cities are the same....
No idea where ours are ....... considering SWMBO's car had been insured under the wrong registration number all year, there can't be many around & about us. :-\
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You carnt get in or out of Swindon without going past an APNR camera....(unless you know the 'back' roads)..... I would think most towns/cities are the same....
No idea where ours are ....... considering SWMBO's car had been insured under the wrong registration number all year, there can't be many around & about us. :-\
Usually mounted on overhead gantries ;)
And I carnt understand how fleet cars that are insured on vague fleet policies never get pulled or ticketed :-\
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More time to
eat donuts push pens, jump through hoops, have the same training course for the 3rd time, turn up for court just for the 'client' not to ::)
Wish they'd invent sommat that would really save us time. They got rid of all the crime recorders because of the cuts, now we have to do em ourselves - more training. Sommat we could ring up & have a trained office staff member do in 10 mins, we have to go back to the office, wait 15 mins to log on to a computer, then fudge ballsup throw something at navigate our way around a system we hardly ever use to record a crime. All in all about 1hr out of our shift wasted >:( >:( >:(
fleet cars that are insured on vague fleet policies never get pulled or ticketed They do......(or at least I pull em)
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More time to eat donuts push pens, jump through hoops, have the same training course for the 3rd time, turn up for court just for the 'client' not to ::)
Wish they'd invent sommat that would really save us time. They got rid of all the crime recorders because of the cuts, now we have to do em ourselves - more training. Sommat we could ring up & have a trained office staff member do in 10 mins, we have to go back to the office, wait 15 mins to log on to a computer, then fudge ballsup throw something at navigate our way around a system we hardly ever use to record a crime. All in all about 1hr out of our shift wasted >:( >:( >:(
fleet cars that are insured on vague fleet policies never get pulled or ticketed They do......(or at least I pull em)
ok, maybe I was just lucky on the trafic I rented for 18months or so....it was on fleet insurance...I saw the insurance policy that the guy that owned had.....it basically said....any vehicle I own/rent/lease and any driver I give permission to drive it is insured ....
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More time to eat donuts push pens, jump through hoops, have the same training course for the 3rd time, turn up for court just for the 'client' not to ::)
Wish they'd invent sommat that would really save us time. They got rid of all the crime recorders because of the cuts, now we have to do em ourselves - more training. Sommat we could ring up & have a trained office staff member do in 10 mins, we have to go back to the office, wait 15 mins to log on to a computer, then fudge ballsup throw something at navigate our way around a system we hardly ever use to record a crime. All in all about 1hr out of our shift wasted >:( >:( >:(
fleet cars that are insured on vague fleet policies never get pulled or ticketed They do......(or at least I pull em)
ok, maybe I was just lucky on the trafic I rented for 18months or so....it was on fleet insurance...I saw the insurance policy that the guy that owned had.....it basically said....any vehicle I own/rent/lease and any driver I give permission to drive it is insured ....
I can't speak for Wiltshire but the local ANPR network filter out flagging up "minor" offences such as insurance / tax because the screens in the control centres are just a blur with them enabled, apparently. They concentrate on catching the murderers, rapists, big time criminals, etc.
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.... They concentrate on catching the murderers, rapists, big time criminals, etc.
Isn't that H21's line ........ ::)