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Chat Area => General Car Chat => Topic started by: Webby the Bear on 30 November 2014, 15:07:44
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...picked up the 3.0L beast today. Nice to meet you mate... another face to a name :y
Got the lump in the garage now. is it ok that its sitting on the sump? I don't really have any other way to support it :y
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Whats the plan webby? Is this going in your 2.5?
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How you get that in the garage ???
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...picked up the 3.0L beast today.................
Slightly inferior to the 3.2 but it'll do I suppose. ;D
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How you get that in the garage ???
Brute strength my friend
...oh and the aid of my big trolley jack :y
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I do hope you have a AR35 box with that Mr Bear because the AR25 off the 2.5 / 2.6 will die pretty sharpish if you don't ;)
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Yep, already aware I need a few things. . . GB, cams, inlet divider etc. going to glean them over the next little while as n when I can afford them and / or when they're available.
So, this engine ok to sit on its sump for a while?
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So, this engine ok to sit on its sump for a while?
Can't see why not but you could knock up a frame to support it while you work on it, just to relieve the weight on the sump and stop it from tipping over.
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Good first welding project .. engine cradle. Pick up off the engine mount bolt holes and a couple of the bell housing bolt holes.
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Boys. . . That's an excellent idea!!!!! Thanks for that!!!!
I'll research some designs :) :)
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How you get that in the garage ???
Brute strength my friend
...oh and the aid of my big trolley jack :y
Respect :o Bought a tools trolley mate so wont need one made now ;D ;)
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How you get that in the garage ???
Brute strength my friend
...oh and the aid of my big trolley jack :y
Respect :o Bought a tools trolley mate so wont need one made now ;D ;)
excactly how we got the engine in the back of his car, my bloomin crane failed so we had to lift it in. back now killing me. lol
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Boys. . . That's an excellent idea!!!!! Thanks for that!!!!
I'll research some designs :) :)
http://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?_sacat=0&_nkw=engine+stand&_frs=1
Probably not worth your time and material.
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I'm guessing the reason for suggesting making an engine stand isn't all about saving time/money - more the experience gleaned from making an engine stand, and also the satisfaction of looking at something, and thinking 'I made that'. :)
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Yeah, it prob wouldnt be worth it..... but fun making it :):):)
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Just get yourself a pair of these before you fit the engine to it, yeah?
(http://britboot.co.uk/file/Icdirj7/44d5ed31-4e2e-4b31-b41e-c0e3cb6e6988.jpg)
Steel toecaps are your friend :y
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Haha! I already have steel toe-tectors, DBG....... not as, errrr, shiny as those but still they d the job haha
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Made in Britain :)
Do you want some throttle body screws? :y
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Made in Britain :)
Do you want some throttle body screws? :y
Thanks for the offer mate but I am good thanks :y
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hehe.... no worries, they've not exactly been flying off the shelves. :D I had to buy a pack, not just the four I wanted. (previous time I went in there, after washers it was a different guy - he just gave me the washers I wanted for free - this time they made me buy a box full ::) )
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lol fair play mate.
So, getting this engine in good order prior to a potential swap (still considering it or whether to keep it as a spare)
i'm thinking it's worth having the sump off and giving the oil strainer / pick up tube a good de-clog as first port of call. ill then get some head gaskets and bolts and fit the heads. then get accessories.
i presume my 2.5 pullies would fit?
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Wandering into territory I'm not as familiar with, and no personal experience of, but I'll chance my arm...
I believe they are the same - the cambelt kits and cam locking kits being the same on all the V6s (well, different, but the same, if you follow) suggests they are the same. Can see there being a fractional diffference between the X??XE engines and the Y??SE engines, but that shouldnt affect you. Happy to be corrected, though. :y
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Yeah i think they are the same.
If they are the same and cam sprockets, pulleys, stats/transfer pipes etc. are the same i may get them off here....saves having to swap out everything from my current lump on the fitment of the new one.
i believe 2.5 inlets/injectors can be used but its wise to get the bigger 3.0 inlets to stop airflow restrictions? this correct. if not would be awesome to use a spare 2.5 inlet/injector assembly i have.
although i do know i need a 3.0 ''divider''.....which in common speak is the black sandwich plate.
:)
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lol fair play mate.
So, getting this engine in good order prior to a potential swap (still considering it or whether to keep it as a spare)
i'm thinking it's worth having the sump off and giving the oil strainer / pick up tube a good de-clog as first port of call. ill then get some head gaskets and bolts and fit the heads. then get accessories.
i presume my 2.5 pullies would fit?
:y Unless RB has already done it :-\
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TBH even if he hasnt i think i'd like to get my grubby paws in there as i can clean the strainer and at least get a good look at the innards :):):)
i trust by removing the sump ill be presented with the strainer right there? simply undo and clean and reassemble? :)
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TBH even if he hasnt i think i'd like to get my grubby paws in there as i can clean the strainer and at least get a good look at the innards :):):)
i trust by removing the sump ill be presented with the strainer right there? simply undo and clean and reassemble? :)
Aye i think so , cant find a picture either :-\ One job i always forget to do :-[
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lol fair play mate.
So, getting this engine in good order prior to a potential swap (still considering it or whether to keep it as a spare)
i'm thinking it's worth having the sump off and giving the oil strainer / pick up tube a good de-clog as first port of call. ill then get some head gaskets and bolts and fit the heads. then get accessories.
I know where i can get hold of. 3.0 now if i decide to stick a v6 in the truck lol....
i presume my 2.5 pullies would fit?
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Buy an engine stand. Makes it alot easier to work on.
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lol fair play mate.
So, getting this engine in good order prior to a potential swap (still considering it or whether to keep it as a spare)
i'm thinking it's worth having the sump off and giving the oil strainer / pick up tube a good de-clog as first port of call. ill then get some head gaskets and bolts and fit the heads. then get accessories.
i presume my 2.5 pullies would fit?
:y Unless RB has already done it :-\
no i havent, will need doing tbh. got some cam pulleys here if needed.
steve, i will send you an address for the head gaskets & bolts, reasonable price too. bear with me. lol. what a pun eh. :D
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Thanks mate :y
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Buy an engine stand. Makes it alot easier to work on.
Yeah, this.
If you want to work on the engine, an engine stand is a god send .. although be careful if you flip it upside down (the engine, that is, on the rotating stand) that you have enough grunt to turn it right way up again ;D knowing (now) that you are one armed webby, you'll want a second pair of hands (er, pardon the insensitivity!).
I once made the mistake of assembling a VG30DETT on a stand right way up - heads on, manifolds on, turbos on the manifolds, and then pulled the pin out of the stand to flip it.. Well it certainly flipped, that's for sure. Could I get it right way up again on my own? Could I balls! ;D
If you just want to store it, though, build an engine cradle like this: http://www.alltradetools.com/catalog/579-604-thickbox/647009-heavy-duty-engine-cradle.jpg :y
Or .. build a fancy cradle with provision for a battery, radiator, small fuel tank, ECU etc and you can build a test stand that you can run the engine up on..
BTW, personally I think long term storage of an engine on an engine stand (as in one of these: https://www.machinemart.co.uk/shop/product/details/ces-750a-engine-stand ) is less than great as they're a little unstable and wobbly. Well, it was with a great big iron v8 on it, anyway. An engine cradle is easier to move around as the centre of mass is down by the wheels..
Although I'm pretty sure Mr Gixxer has been storing an LS V8 on my engine stand for some time now.. ;D
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Buy an engine stand. Makes it alot easier to work on.
Yeah, this.
If you want to work on the engine, an engine stand is a god send .. although be careful if you flip it upside down (the engine, that is, on the rotating stand) that you have enough grunt to turn it right way up again ;D knowing (now) that you are one armed webby, you'll want a second pair of hands (er, pardon the insensitivity!).
I once made the mistake of assembling a VG30DETT on a stand right way up - heads on, manifolds on, turbos on the manifolds, and then pulled the pin out of the stand to flip it.. Well it certainly flipped, that's for sure. Could I get it right way up again on my own? Could I balls! ;D
.. ;D
did similar, rebuilt a 3.0L 24v straight 6, new chains, head polished, etc new shells, looked very pretty.
thought I'd move the stand over a bit, gave stand a push, over it went,,crash bang wallop.
Broken timing case,smashed cam cover,broken dizzy, and a smashed tea mug(full). :'(
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At least mine didn't fall over, that would have been the icing.. just ended up upside down on the stand - that'll teach me not to put the oil pump pickup & sump on first, eh!
I have nearly dropped an engine on an engine crane though - crane at full extension with an extension bar in (I'm sure that's H&S approved, naturally) and if I stepped off the back of the crane it started to tip over :-[ ;D ended up sticking a couple of bags of cement on the back of it so I could get off and work at the other end of it!
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H ha some interesting stories there lads! Assume Aaron that you couldn't swing it back round to normal cos of the extra weight with the heads n stuff? Lol
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Yup, with just the bare block it was easy to roll over, but with everything on to make it a long block it was very top heavy .. well, bottom heavy once it had upended! ;D
I learnt that lesson and now have an extra long handle for the engine stand!
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Good stuff mate lol i'll keep this in mind!!!
While i got the sump off for strainer / pickup cleaning is it worth popping a couple of bearing caps / shells off and do some measuring?
and one last question (sorry) the flex plate on't back is a bit rusty. do these have to be machined like flywheels? :-\