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Chat Area => General Car Chat => Topic started by: tidla on 08 December 2014, 20:52:01
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http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Mazda-MX5-One-Off-3-litre-V6-Manual-Show-Car-Drift-Race-/221624775863?pt=Automobiles_UK&hash=item3399ddb4b7
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I bet that's a riot on the road :y
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I'm quite fond of that! :o
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Imagine its going to make working on that engine in an Omega look easy!
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I likes that. :y
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And it's got a Magic Tree!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1111111111one
2604 :-X
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Very Nice........... :y :y
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Don't let Kevin Wood see that!! :y
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That would be a stoopid bucket load of shit to drive...
Its too heavy at the front with the V6, be fine and go like shit in a straight line but I bet it wont go round corners.... not properly anyway...
These cars go so much better with the 20XE or even a 20LET than a V6....
And that price is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay out..... just too much IMHO...
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Why does everyone think the V6 weighs a millionty tonnes? :o
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Why does everyone think the V6 weighs a millionty tonnes? :o
It's mounted well back in the Bay too and engine front access looks good,wasnt built to handle normally though was it?
Sorry BM,meant to reply not quote ::)
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That would be a stoopid bucket load of shit to drive...
Its too heavy at the front with the V6, be fine and go like shit in a straight line but I bet it wont go round corners.... not properly anyway...
These cars go so much better with the 20XE or even a 20LET than a V6....
And that price is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay out..... just too much IMHO...
agreed.. lightweight car.. no need for a big heavy v6..
even it could be much beter with the stock engine turbod
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lots of ready kits available
https://www.google.com.tr/search?q=mazda+mx5+turbo&biw=1440&bih=809&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=sSqGVL3GOYn6UtbageAP&ved=0CAcQ_AUoAg
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Shame some retard has put tyres on it that are about half the section of the rims. ::)
Still, I like the idea. :y
I doubt it's added more than 50kg to the front end weight, so I reckon it'd handle OK.
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I doubt it's added more than 50kg to the front end weight, so I reckon it'd handle OK.
Finally, a voice of reason.
The Torque from the V6 will make that a very interesting driving machine. :y
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I reckon the C20LET might well be heavier than the V6 (ref minifreek's post), especially with the turbo strapped to it - IIRC the LET is a cast iron block and the V6 is all aluminium..
Certainly the internets reckon they're both about 130-150Kg..
The 1.8 MX5 engine, by contrast, weighs ~120Kg with the 1.6 at ~100Kg..
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V6 is an iron block and alloy everything else. :y
Block is not very big on the V6 either.
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Ah .. always thought it was all aluminium rather than a boat anchor!
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Interestingly, many of the aluminium blocks are not much lighter than the iron ones as you have to add a lot of extra material to get the strength (which does help sound deadening also)
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Brodie Britain Racing bolted a turbo to the original 1.6 when it first came over here.
Went rather well iirc :D
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Shame some retard has put tyres on it that are about half the section of the rims. ::)
Still, I like the idea. :y
I doubt it's added more than 50kg to the front end weight, so I reckon it'd handle OK.
The tyre stretch boys will like that :-\ Will make an interesting ride for sure :o
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I reckon the C20LET might well be heavier than the V6 (ref minifreek's post), especially with the turbo strapped to it - IIRC the LET is a cast iron block and the V6 is all aluminium..
Certainly the internets reckon they're both about 130-150Kg..
The 1.8 MX5 engine, by contrast, weighs ~120Kg with the 1.6 at ~100Kg..
small cars are choosen for a reason.. 30-50 kg is a considerable weight both for acceleration and cornering.. I wouldnt prefer a na V6.. and also even a high pressure turbo 1.8 engine would make that car uncontrollable
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No way would it be uncontrollable with a turbo strapped to it, cem.. If 250hp+ in a mid engined MR2 Roadster with almost identical weight, with all the weight out back is controllable and fun (and I speak from experience here), a front engined rear drive MX5 would simply be a blast.. swing the back end around the engine and enjoy!
I agree that 50Kg is a lot in a 1000Kg car, but let's face it.. the difference between you driving it and me driving it would be more than 50Kg in a less favourable position in the car..
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I agree. Try driving the standard 140BHP 1.8 car on 185/70/14s before deciding. Again, speaking from experience, you can give it everything that engine has and the chassis remains absolutely planted. Boringly so, in fact. I reckon an MX5 in the 200-250 BHP region would be an absolute hoot and nowhere near uncontrollable.
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I'd certainly sign up for a go in one ;)
Which reminds me.. one day I ought to ask you if I can try the MX5 on for size (if you turn up for a curry in it). Always wondered if I'd fit (I'm pretty sure I already know the answer when it comes to Westfields so no need to ask there! ;D)
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The amount of times I've managed to get the Turbo Weasel tail to kick out (umm.. only about 40% of the time on purpose ::)) with 140bhp (and no TC on the Diesels, of course), I really dare not drive that MX-5!! :-X
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No way would it be uncontrollable with a turbo strapped to it, cem.. If 250hp+ in a mid engined MR2 Roadster with almost identical weight, with all the weight out back is controllable and fun (and I speak from experience here), a front engined rear drive MX5 would simply be a blast.. swing the back end around the engine and enjoy!
I agree that 50Kg is a lot in a 1000Kg car, but let's face it.. the difference between you driving it and me driving it would be more than 50Kg in a less favourable position in the car..
question is: what do you understand from a high pressure turbo ?
1- 1.5 bar is a usual pressure region not high.. but even if we assume you run that car (- 1.8 - ) at 1.5 bar it will be more than 300 bhp (remember thats a 1000 kg car) .. I have driven a turbod clit rs (2.0) at 1.3 bar and when you hammer it the car goes wherever it wants independant of steering ;D
sorry cant agree
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how abouts 2.5 bar ;D ;D
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I know someone who had 400rwhp (yes, hp at the wheels) in a Mk3 MR2 and kept that on the road quite happily (in Finland, although it wasn't his winter car - that was a Mk2 Supra turbo).. enough HP?
You can keep anything on the road and have fun in it if you're sensible and have a modicum of mechanical sympathy; yes, over a certain point all you've got is hp to light the tyres up, but 300hp in 1000Kg? Sure, I'd consider that "fun" territory, not "death" territory. Remember, I've driven 250hp/tonne cars.. heck, it was my daily driver for about six years - summer, winter, snow, ice..
But there's a big difference between a 2.5bar turbo engine and the V6 these guys have dropped in.. so now I'm confused why that was even brought up?
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I know someone who had 400rwhp (yes, hp at the wheels) in a Mk3 MR2 and kept that on the road quite happily (in Finland, although it wasn't his winter car - that was a Mk2 Supra turbo).. enough HP?
You can keep anything on the road and have fun in it if you're sensible and have a modicum of mechanical sympathy; yes, over a certain point all you've got is hp to light the tyres up, but 300hp in 1000Kg? Sure, I'd consider that "fun" territory, not "death" territory. Remember, I've driven 250hp/tonne cars.. heck, it was my daily driver for about six years - summer, winter, snow, ice..
But there's a big difference between a 2.5bar turbo engine and the V6 these guys have dropped in.. so now I'm confused why that was even brought up?
now lets forget about 2.5 bar.. 300 bhp in a 1000 kg car is more than controllable imo.. esp if its a fwd.. a rwd , may be .. assuming manual transmissions..
I'm running at 0.8 bar currently and even in wet if I hammer the car starts to jump.. honestly ;D
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Cem you forget one of many differences...
Mx5=rwd
Renault clit=fwd
Mx5 has proportioned wheelbase/track, the clit has a squarer foot print...
Of course the clit lights up when you boot it... put a 1.0 three pot under the bonnet and it will still wheelspin and understeer ;D
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I'd certainly sign up for a go in one ;)
Which reminds me.. one day I ought to ask you if I can try the MX5 on for size (if you turn up for a curry in it). Always wondered if I'd fit (I'm pretty sure I already know the answer when it comes to Westfields so no need to ask there! ;D)
No problem at all. Well, I say that. It's actually Emma's car. :-[ But.. I think if the MR2 was OK you'll be fine. The transmission tunnel is not anything like as high and wide on an MX5 from what I recall.
As to the Westfield, there's always the central steering column conversion and a buttock on each seat option if you can try not to think about where the propshaft would run. :-X I'm sure I threadlocked the diff UJ bolts. :-\ Yeah, It'd be fine. :y
Speaking of which, if we're talking about silly power to weight ratios, my mate has a cossie turbo in his westfield and north of 400 BHP. They've been built with 6 litre+ V8s before as well. This is in a 650 kg car (well, maybe 720 with a V8). Even that sort of spec is far from undriveable. OK, the situations in which you can give it everything get less common, but you can still use the performance that that sort of power to weight gives if you're careful. .. and you can easily kill yourself if you drive like a teenager, of course.
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I did briefly consider creating a single seater Westfield .. I mean I have no intention of needing my testicles for anything in particular ;D
The Mk3 MR2 had no central tunnel, unlike the Mk1 and Mk2 - and I remember the Mk1 being 'snug'.. a couple of people have told me there's no chance I'll fit in an MX5 so it could be an embarrassing attempt ;) 'course I could always lose some weight.. :-X
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Cem you forget one of many differences...
Mx5=rwd
Renault clit=fwd
Mx5 has proportioned wheelbase/track, the clit has a squarer foot print...
Of course the clit lights up when you boot it... put a 1.0 three pot under the bonnet and it will still wheelspin and understeer ;D
lets not exaggerate the example ;D
I doubt you can give full beans even to a 1 bar mx5 in any corner.. it will throw you at the first ditch or post
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There aren't many cars you can give "full beans" in a corner, though.. If I turn the traction control off in the M3 it'll spit me off the road if I'm not careful, too!
You wind the power on once you're past the apex and relatively straight ;)
For me, anyway, fun doesn't mean driving around with my foot welded to the floor.. fun means being the one in control of something with an excess of power and getting the most out of it - the most power down possible, the quickest speed around a corner, etc.
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Cem you forget one of many differences...
Mx5=rwd
Renault clit=fwd
Mx5 has proportioned wheelbase/track, the clit has a squarer foot print...
Of course the clit lights up when you boot it... put a 1.0 three pot under the bonnet and it will still wheelspin and understeer ;D
lets not exaggerate the example ;D
I doubt you can give full beans even to a 1 bar mx5 in any corner.. it will throw you at the first ditch or post
;D ;D ;D
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Cem you forget one of many differences...
Mx5=rwd
Renault clit=fwd
Mx5 has proportioned wheelbase/track, the clit has a squarer foot print...
Of course the clit lights up when you boot it... put a 1.0 three pot under the bonnet and it will still wheelspin and understeer ;D
lets not exaggerate the example ;D
I doubt you can give full beans even to a 1 bar mx5 in any corner.. it will throw you at the first ditch or post
I wasn't... even a 45bhp Polo can wheelspin on request. Wrong wheel drive, see... ;D
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Cem you forget one of many differences...
Mx5=rwd
Renault clit=fwd
Mx5 has proportioned wheelbase/track, the clit has a squarer foot print...
Of course the clit lights up when you boot it... put a 1.0 three pot under the bonnet and it will still wheelspin and understeer ;D
lets not exaggerate the example ;D
I doubt you can give full beans even to a 1 bar mx5 in any corner.. it will throw you at the first ditch or post
I wasn't... even a 45bhp Polo can wheelspin on request. Wrong wheel drive, see... ;D
try this wwd wih yours 3.2 and see ;D
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There aren't many cars you can give "full beans" in a corner, though.. If I turn the traction control off in the M3 it'll spit me off the road if I'm not careful, too!
You wind the power on once you're past the apex and relatively straight ;)
For me, anyway, fun doesn't mean driving around with my foot welded to the floor.. fun means being the one in control of something with an excess of power and getting the most out of it - the most power down possible, the quickest speed around a corner, etc.
m3 is a different beast from the turbo cars.. you have power from the beginning and it can throw you anywhere even on a straight ..so you are ready at any moment.. but with turbo cars , they explode suddenly..
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They only explode if you drive it like an idiot, ie. on full throttle in a corner.
From personal experience, there is a massive difference between a clit and a MX5. The MX5 has a beautifully sorted chassis, the clit is ............ well lets leave it at that.
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They only explode if you drive it like an idiot, ie. on full throttle in a corner.
no they also explode on a straight with correct throttle and gear
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They only explode if you drive it like an idiot, ie. on full throttle in a corner.
no they also explode on a straight with correct throttle and gear
Well then, either you are not driving it correctly or there is a problem with your car. Having owned and driven a modified focus RS with in excess of 400bhp through the front wheels, I can assure you that there was no explosions or anything of that sort.
The clit is a FWD shi*box, one of the better ones but still a shi*box. Perhaps that is the issue?
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They only explode if you drive it like an idiot, ie. on full throttle in a corner.
no they also explode on a straight with correct throttle and gear
Well then, either you are not driving it correctly or there is a problem with your car. Having owned and driven a modified focus RS with in excess of 400bhp through the front wheels, I can assure you that there was no explosions or anything of that sort.
The clit is a FWD shi*box, one of the better ones but still a shi*box. Perhaps that is the issue?
this sh*tbox can be converted to turbo without touching the stock engine.. fuel consumption is less than half of most performance cars .. can be parked everywhere and parts are found everywhere and cheap enough.. and price less than one quarter of a focus rs ;)
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They only explode if you drive it like an idiot, ie. on full throttle in a corner.
no they also explode on a straight with correct throttle and gear
Well then, either you are not driving it correctly or there is a problem with your car. Having owned and driven a modified focus RS with in excess of 400bhp through the front wheels, I can assure you that there was no explosions or anything of that sort.
The clit is a FWD shi*box, one of the better ones but still a shi*box. Perhaps that is the issue?
this sh*tbox can be converted to turbo without touching the stock engine.. fuel consumption is less than half of most performance cars .. can be parked everywhere and parts are found everywhere and cheap enough.. and price less than one quarter of a focus rs ;)
And yet it explodes despite being in the right gear and being driven correctly. I stand by my statement, it is a shi*box and your turbo has made it shi**ier! Yes the RS costs more, but in life you get what you pay for.
Back to the OP, interesting car despite the crappy stretched tyres.
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They only explode if you drive it like an idiot, ie. on full throttle in a corner.
no they also explode on a straight with correct throttle and gear
Well then, either you are not driving it correctly or there is a problem with your car. Having owned and driven a modified focus RS with in excess of 400bhp through the front wheels, I can assure you that there was no explosions or anything of that sort.
The clit is a FWD shi*box, one of the better ones but still a shi*box. Perhaps that is the issue?
this sh*tbox can be converted to turbo without touching the stock engine.. fuel consumption is less than half of most performance cars .. can be parked everywhere and parts are found everywhere and cheap enough.. and price less than one quarter of a focus rs ;)
And yet it explodes despite being in the right gear and being driven correctly. I stand by my statement, it is a shi*box and your turbo has made it shi**ier! Yes the RS costs more, but in life you get what you pay for.
Back to the OP, interesting car despite the crappy stretched tyres.
;D did you take your pills D ?
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and here is my opinion : focus rs is a sh*tbrick worse than my clit emptying your wallet ;D ;D
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They only explode if you drive it like an idiot, ie. on full throttle in a corner.
From personal experience, there is a massive difference between a clit and a MX5. The MX5 has a beautifully sorted chassis, the clit is ............ well lets leave it at that.
I think 'French' was the word you were thinking of ;D
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Ahhhh - I'm glad someone else said it before me (I've just read this thread through).
How can anyone compare a clit (fnar fnar) to a MX5?
What BHP and Torque are you making on this shopping trolley Cem? What blower have you got fitted? Must be quite small if you are running stock internals.
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Ahhhh - I'm glad someone else said it before me (I've just read this thread through).
How can anyone compare a clit (fnar fnar) to a MX5?
What BHP and Torque are you making on this shopping trolley Cem? What blower have you got fitted? Must be quite small if you are running stock internals.
a 1.6 is capable of making 300 bhp with a simple rod change .. mine is now making 190 bhp (0.8 bar peak) with stock ecu and internals.. can do more with a custom ecu.. turbo is garret 2052.. and is more than enough for daily usage ;D
ps: and a long list of expensive car owners thinking this car is a shopping trolley have already met with its dust ;D ;D
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If you had put a proper engine in the boot with a rear transaxle, you too could have had a rear wheel drive v6 go kart ::)
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If you had put a proper engine in the boot with a rear transaxle, you too could have had a rear wheel drive v6 go kart ::)
v6 is a waste of space Al unless you turbo it
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Ahhhh - I'm glad someone else said it before me (I've just read this thread through).
How can anyone compare a clit (fnar fnar) to a MX5?
What BHP and Torque are you making on this shopping trolley Cem? What blower have you got fitted? Must be quite small if you are running stock internals.
a 1.6 is capable of making 300 bhp with a simple rod change .. mine is now making 190 bhp (0.8 bar peak) with stock ecu and internals.. can do more with a custom ecu.. turbo is garret 2052.. and is more than enough for daily usage ;D
ps: and a long list of expensive car owners thinking this car is a shopping trolley have already met with its dust ;D ;D
190BHP? Nice figure. What Torque though? My bog standard car only makes 250BHP and 370NM. Running a standard Mitsubishi TD04 Blower.
Remap next week makes it (my choice) just 285BHP but 430NM. I could go for a more aggressive map, but why bother. It's Wrong Wheel Drive.
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Ooops... My bad... ::) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/clit_V6_Renault_Sport)
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Ooops... My bad... ::) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/clit_V6_Renault_Sport)
it doesnt matter , another waste of space ;D
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Ahhhh - I'm glad someone else said it before me (I've just read this thread through).
How can anyone compare a clit (fnar fnar) to a MX5?
What BHP and Torque are you making on this shopping trolley Cem? What blower have you got fitted? Must be quite small if you are running stock internals.
a 1.6 is capable of making 300 bhp with a simple rod change .. mine is now making 190 bhp (0.8 bar peak) with stock ecu and internals.. can do more with a custom ecu.. turbo is garret 2052.. and is more than enough for daily usage ;D
ps: and a long list of expensive car owners thinking this car is a shopping trolley have already met with its dust ;D ;D
190BHP? Nice figure. What Torque though? My bog standard car only makes 250BHP and 370NM. Running a standard Mitsubishi TD04 Blower.
Remap next week makes it (my choice) just 285BHP but 430NM. I could go for a more aggressive map, but why bother. It's Wrong Wheel Drive.
your car is heavy.. either its a wwd or rwd you will only dig the road ;D
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Ooops... My bad... ::) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/clit_V6_Renault_Sport)
In all honesty, the clit was epic in V6 form, but you could get better figures for less money in the 4cyl format. Just like the Saab. The 2.8T is less powerful than a reasonably breathed on 2.3T.
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your car is heavy.. either its a wwd or rwd you will only dig the road ;D
It'll show that French piece of crap a clean pair of heels, lets put it that way :P
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your car is heavy.. either its a wwd or rwd you will only dig the road ;D
It'll show that French piece of crap a clean pair of heels, lets put it that way :P
I doubt ;D
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your car is heavy.. either its a wwd or rwd you will only dig the road ;D
It'll show that French piece of crap a clean pair of heels, lets put it that way :P
I doubt ;D
And up is down as black is white I shouldn't wonder ::)
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OK Mr Cem. If you want to be childish, I'll be childish too. I'll give you 14 days to post a 0-62 run. Take the video on a flat road with decent traction and please do not hold the camera. Mount it so it can record the data safely. It has to be pointed at the speedometer fitted to the vehicle.
The video will need to be verified.
Verification will mean you have to start the video with yourself and a copy of the days Newspaper in view. Then you (without pause) start the run.
As I'm a child too, I'll do the same thing. 14 days my friend.
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and here is my opinion : focus rs is a sh*tbrick worse than my clit emptying your wallet ;D ;D
Actually Cem, you contradict your own statements. By your own admission, your car is uncontrollable. So either the car is crap or you are a rubbish driver. Pick whichever one you like. My intrinsic feeling is that the car is pretty poor. That is the reason for it being uncontrollable, which by the way is your own admission!
I state that the RS is perfectly controllable. Either that means I am a driving god or that the car is well sorted. I am certainly not a driving god. So you can probably guess what that means.
In addition the RS was the one car that I bought and sold at nearly no loss due to the way it holds onto its residuals. Have a look on Autotrader, 2010 RS are selling for in excess on 25/26k.
Lastly, how I spend my hard earned money is not your concern. There are a variety of things that I spend my money on that may mean that I loose money on them, but that is my choice, so please keep your money advice to yourself.
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Should I get my estate MoT'd just to piss on both your fireworks... ;D
Both being BM and Cem :)
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Should I get my estate MoT'd just to piss on both your fireworks... ;D
Both being BM and Cem :)
I am afraid it is the inferior 3.2 model. You don't stand a chance against the souped up clit. But show it a corner and it does this (http://carphotos.cardomain.com/ride_images/2/3288/2361/20718680011_large.jpg)
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Good job it had a sunroof... the ones without have a plastic lid :o
But if that is how it corners, a Desmond should kick it's butt 8)
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OK Mr Cem. If you want to be childish, I'll be childish too. I'll give you 14 days to post a 0-62 run. Take the video on a flat road with decent traction and please do not hold the camera. Mount it so it can record the data safely. It has to be pointed at the speedometer fitted to the vehicle.
The video will need to be verified.
Verification will mean you have to start the video with yourself and a copy of the days Newspaper in view. Then you (without pause) start the run.
As I'm a child too, I'll do the same thing. 14 days my friend.
there are ready utube videos of clits at my pressure watch wahetever you like.. and saabs also.. unless you change the stock pressure ;D
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and here is my opinion : focus rs is a sh*tbrick worse than my clit emptying your wallet ;D ;D
Actually Cem, you contradict your own statements. By your own admission, your car is uncontrollable. So either the car is crap or you are a rubbish driver . Pick whichever one you like. My intrinsic feeling is that the car is pretty poor. That is the reason for it being uncontrollable, which by the way is your own admission!
I state that the RS is perfectly controllable. Either that means I am a driving god or that the car is well sorted. I am certainly not a driving god. So you can probably guess what that means.
In addition the RS was the one car that I bought and sold at nearly no loss due to the way it holds onto its residuals. Have a look on Autotrader, 2010 RS are selling for in excess on 25/26k.
Lastly, how I spend my hard earned money is not your concern. There are a variety of things that I spend my money on that may mean that I loose money on them, but that is my choice, so please keep your money advice to yourself.
ok.. power explosion doesnt mean uncontrollable .. seems like you want to change what I say.. and there is no money advice..its a comparison that shows rs needs more money ..
but I see you are passing the limits of respect which means I can do the same.. >:(
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D , before racing your pee with me, please tell us how to calculate the dosage of lasix so that your patients wont suffer
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Should I get my estate MoT'd just to piss on both your fireworks... ;D
Both being BM and Cem :)
I am afraid it is the inferior 3.2 model. You don't stand a chance against the souped up clit. But show it a corner and it does this (http://carphotos.cardomain.com/ride_images/2/3288/2361/20718680011_large.jpg)
and your perfectly controllable focus rs ;D ;D
http://www.autogespot.fr/une-ford-focus-rs-2009-evite-un-accident-de-justesse-sur-la-nordschleife
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OK Mr Cem. If you want to be childish, I'll be childish too. I'll give you 14 days to post a 0-62 run. Take the video on a flat road with decent traction and please do not hold the camera. Mount it so it can record the data safely. It has to be pointed at the speedometer fitted to the vehicle.
The video will need to be verified.
Verification will mean you have to start the video with yourself and a copy of the days Newspaper in view. Then you (without pause) start the run.
As I'm a child too, I'll do the same thing. 14 days my friend.
there are ready utube videos of clits at my pressure watch wahetever you like.. and saabs also.. unless you change the stock pressure ;D
a bit less pressure but similiar ..here you go
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B8CYdUTtwdg
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Should I get my estate MoT'd just to piss on both your fireworks... ;D
Both being BM and Cem :)
Yeah. Bring it on - A party isn't a party with only two douche bags! ;D