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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: omega3000 on 14 December 2014, 21:54:07
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5 second delay to load oof pages :( Mouse running too fast ???
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Fast as ever here. :-\
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Bit more erratic perhaps, but yep.
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Quite often only get half the home page as well.
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Sporadic time lapse loading ::)
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Quite often only get half the home page as well.
That's probably your device TBH.
Not withstanding we have got ongoing capacity problems, and have for a while (unrelated to this evening's SNAFU)
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Not done it so far tonight since re boot, and I haven't reset the ipad..... *cough* as I know it's *cough*not*cough*my*cough*bloody*coughing*end*coughcoughcough*;D
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Not done it so far tonight since re boot, and I haven't reset the ipad..... *cough* as I know it's *cough*not*cough*my*cough*bloody*coughing*end*coughcoughcough*;D
How long has it been doing it?
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Since I posted about slow performance last week(?)....? Didn't actually mention it on the thread though to be fair.
http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/index.php?topic=127625.0
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The 5th going by that. Maybe since the 3rd/4th?
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Open new tab. Click OOF icon in Safari. Half a page, no buttons working. Refresh, loads normally.
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No biggy though, as Esta said, it was still useable.
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Hmmm... ...tonight's problem couldn't possibly have started before approx. 5:15pm.
Can you remember how far down the homepage it loaded to? Was it usually in the list of boards, or at the header or the footer?
Cheers :)
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Mine was loading half a page but the rest appeared soon after. :-\
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Mine was loading half a page but the rest appeared soon after. :-\
Was that just tonight, or all week?
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General car chat is the last line. Still doing it intermittently by the looks.
But leave it a while and the full page fades in over the top of it, which works correctly. Most odd.
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Mine was loading half a page but the rest appeared soon after. :-\
Was that just tonight, or all week?
At least a week, but I'm not a moaning Minnie like some people, I just get on with it. Kids these days don't know they're born. Bastards.
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Sorry did you say you don't moan? ;D
Oh I see, a joke ::)
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Doesn't do it from a Google link. Does from a bookmark. Will try deleting bookmark and reloading(?) it.
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No change.
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Sorry did you say you don't moan? ;D
Oh I see, a joke ::)
The first, sarcastic, comment was adequate and in keeping with your modus operandi. There was no need to qualify it with an edit. ;D
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I rekon he's oppsed off to bed, muttering as he goes "whinging bastards mumblemumble, OPPS em, let em struggle mumblemumble" ;D
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I rekon he's oppsed off to bed, muttering as he goes "whinging bastards mumblemumble, OPPS em, let em struggle mumblemumble" ;D
Correct. I am prostrate as I type. Wanna piccie? ;D
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Runs off to block ESTAs pm's, sharpish.
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Ignoring yesterday's cock-up, half loading pages (esp in the list of boards) should be rare on OOF, due to the way the page is built.
All the contention is usually on the database server, not the web server, and by the time the boards are started to be pushed to the client, the database has returned all the boards to the web server.
The only way the web server can delay part way through the delivery of the boards is:
1) Web server under heavy load
2) It can't push the packets out due to network delays
3) Client end
WRT number 1, ignoring yesterday, web server load is near zero:
17:59:35 up 22:14, 1 user, load average: 0.06, 0.06, 0.05
this is a fairly typical figure for the webserver (the database server gets its nads caned at busy periods - but we've proved its not that)
2 is out of our hands, although IIRC chrisgixer is a VM customer, and their transparent proxies are worse than dire. There are certainly no networking delays this end.
3) Partially corrupt caches are commonplace across all browsers, and cause similar issues. Hence the first port of call is always to clear the cache. If the client is an old, slow machine, the compute power can be taken away for other things rather than rendering the page.
I certainly cannot replicate it here, even yesterday when it was plain slow, using a Windows laptop.
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Before I logoff, webserver load...
18:31:07 up 22:45, 1 user, load average: 0.04, 0.03, 0.05
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OK. Here is my page trying to load
(http://i111.photobucket.com/albums/n156/stmo987/imagejpg2-1.jpg)
And after about 30 secs
(http://i111.photobucket.com/albums/n156/stmo987/imagejpg1-10.jpg)
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Oh jeez look, I wasnt posting to have a dig, it was intended to be helpfull in case it was related and give clues as what might be the problem. Not that I know the first thing about it. As said, it's no biggy, as long as all is well your end then that's fine, righ?
I really don't understand the defensive nature, or why it s directed directly at me. There are others members needing help too.
Will you please lighten up, it was ment to be helpfull. If it's fixed, great. :y
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Oh jeez look, I wasnt posting to have a dig, it was intended to be helpfull in case it was related and give clues as what might be the problem. Not that I know the first thing about it. As said, it's no biggy, as long as all is well your end then that's fine, righ?
I really don't understand the defensive nature, or why it s directed directly at me. There are others members needing help too.
Will you please lighten up, it was ment to be helpfull. If it's fixed, great. :y
You misunderstand ;)
I posted what I think can be the possible causes, and why I think some of them can be ruled out.
Nothing defensive. Well not intentionally anyway. If there is a problem with the shit I provide, I wanna get to the bottom of it and sort it :y
Anybody else *NOT* using iDevices seeing half rendered home page? Anybody besides STMO and chrisgixer using iDevices and seeing this issue?
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Cheers for pic STEMO, that confirms the description of prob you're both seeing :y
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Why dont you pair go and buy a proper pc and put them girlie gaypaddy things in the bleeding bin ;D ;D
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Also, are you using full site or WAP site? STEMO's pic looks like full site to me.
Additionally, WiFi or cellular?
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The only thing in common, is the web site. ;D
Come off it, it's the device, it's the isp, it's the packets. It's.... Ffs it can't be all of those. ;D
I'm not bothered personally, it's only a refresh page away from being quite normal. Bar the lag of course, which seems fine now.
The simple machines web site is dog slow. So nothing to worry about really. (Loads the home page fine though ;) ;D :P ) ipad on wifi via Virgin media. Btw.
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The only thing in common, is the web site. ;D
Come off it, it's the device, it's the isp, it's the packets. It's.... Ffs it can't be all of those. ;D
That's why I posted up what I think the reasons can be for half of the home page to be displayed. To try to clarify what is and isn't likely causes :). And why I don't think its the web server or the primary database server (after looking at the code).
Current webserver load is:
19:51:04 up 2 days, 5 min, 1 user, load average: 0.00, 0.01, 0.05
I'm not bothered personally, it's only a refresh page away from being quite normal. Bar the lag of course, which seems fine now.
Cause of yesterday's cock up was discovered, and caused the primary database server to be slow to retrieve non cached data. Was you getting half loaded pages yesterday during that problem (approx. 17:15 - 20:15)? I wouldn't expect it after looking at code, but you may have got partially loaded pages at the end of the header section (so just above Newbies) or just after Parts for Sale. I'd be surprised if you got it halfway through the boards (or if you did, unrelated to server issues).
The simple machines web site is dog slow. So nothing to worry about really. (Loads the home page fine though ;) ;D :P ) ipad on wifi via Virgin media. Btw.
Interesting you find SMF's site slow, as its usually reasonably quick for me. There may be a pointer there :y
Do you ever use your Windows PC for OOF (or SMF for that matter)? If so, do you see similar?
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And while I suspicious of VM/NTL's transparent proxies (they used to constantly screw up our old Yabb site), STEMO uses a different ISP.
So the common factors are:
OOF and/or SMF
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iPad
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chrisgixer - when you're out and about using the site on cellular, are you seeing the same?
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And while I suspicious of VM/NTL's transparent proxies (they used to constantly screw up our old Yabb site), STEMO uses a different ISP.
So the common factors are:
OOF and/or SMF
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iPad
Nah, couldn't possibly be crApple products. Far superior. :P
;D
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I'm on an ancient old blackberry PlayBook atm and all pages loading fine this evening :y
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Honestly
Its
Fine,
Really
g
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;D
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Also, are you using full site or WAP site? STEMO's pic looks like full site to me.
Additionally, WiFi or cellular?
I use the full site on wifi and today it has been fine. :)
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Can't replicate it now either.
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Is there a router your end, before the web site?
I'm getting bad delay on pages. But page load times are fine.
Of course if it's my end that's fine. But if your end, that's baaaad. Very baaaad. ;)
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Is there a router your end, before the web site?
I'm getting bad delay on pages. But page load times are fine.
Of course if it's my end that's fine. But if your end, that's baaaad. Very baaaad. ;)
Obviously there is a router this end. And a switch between the router and the server. But not sure what you are getting at?
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Is there a router your end, before the web site?
I'm getting bad delay on pages. But page load times are fine.
Of course if it's my end that's fine. But if your end, that's baaaad. Very baaaad. ;)
Obviously there is a router this end. And a switch between the router and the server. But not sure what you are getting at?
Neither is he.
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Is there a router your end, before the web site?
I'm getting bad delay on pages. But page load times are fine.
Of course if it's my end that's fine. But if your end, that's baaaad. Very baaaad. ;)
Obviously there is a router this end. And a switch between the router and the server. But not sure what you are getting at?
Neither is he.
;D
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Nope. No idea me.
But I did wonder if the router your end might delay the packets(?) to the oof server. But still give a quick load time, once the page is loaded.
(You watch, I'll get either a load of lip, or derided for not knowing IT shit ;D )
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But I did wonder if the router your end might delay the packets(?) to the oof server. But still give a quick load time, once the page is loaded.
This isn't your usual ISP supplied freebie router, which are all universally poor.
Router wouldn't delay packets* for a specific server (as QoS isn't configured). Additionally it would affect me as well, as the same router has to route packets from my internal network through to the network that the OOF webserver sits on. I simply am not seeing *any* page load issues, nor is the monitoring that checks OOF every couple of minutes, 24/7. Yesterday aside, obviously.
* Technically all network routers and switches do put in tiny delays, as they are all store and forward devices.
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Tough job pushing packets... ;)
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Tough job pushing packets... ;)
Pays the bills for you :y
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Tough job pushing packets... ;)
Pays the bills for you :y
One config fits all........with minor tweaking ;D
Just needs BTOR to turn up shortly after Newsites turn up shortly after the building contractor puts the ducts in, which is shortly before the comms room is built with power and aircon and, and, and, and jobs a goodun. (Let me know if you can spot any possibility of failure in the statement).
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If you set your QoS’s declared bandwidth lower than your allotted ISP bandwidth, you’re creating an artificial bottleneck where you can control it: at your router. Now, your own QoS settings kick in and re-arrange your traffic. The cost of bandwidth is pretty minimal, but by tweaking things slowly you can marginalize it further.
;D
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But I did wonder if the router your end might delay the packets(?) to the oof server. But still give a quick load time, once the page is loaded.
This isn't your usual ISP supplied freebie router, which are all universally poor.
Router wouldn't delay packets* for a specific server (as QoS isn't configured). Additionally it would affect me as well, as the same router has to route packets from my internal network through to the network that the OOF webserver sits on. I simply am not seeing *any* page load issues, nor is the monitoring that checks OOF every couple of minutes, 24/7. Yesterday aside, obviously.
* Technically all network routers and switches do put in tiny delays, as they are all store and forward devices.
TB what is a good router for home use then. is it the belkin & netgear stuff :-\
im on a NETGEAR DGN3500
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TB what is a good router for home use then. is it the belkin & netgear stuff :-\
im on a NETGEAR DGN3500
I think TB will probably tell you there are no good home use routers ;) although I've had reasonable success with TP-Link.
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Tough job pushing packets... ;)
Pays the bills for you :y
One config fits all........with minor tweaking ;D
Just needs BTOR to turn up shortly after Newsites turn up shortly after the building contractor puts the ducts in, which is shortly before the comms room is built with power and aircon and, and, and, and jobs a goodun. (Let me know if you can spot any possibility of failure in the statement).
Nope, no problems there, what could possibly be wrong with that....
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TB what is a good router for home use then. is it the belkin & netgear stuff :-\
im on a NETGEAR DGN3500
I think TB will probably tell you there are no good home use routers ;) although I've had reasonable success with TP-Link.
Pretty much my view (ignoring the TP-Link, though they do tend to have strong Wifi.... ....and more holes than airtech pants)
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If you set your QoS’s declared bandwidth lower than your allotted ISP bandwidth, you’re creating an artificial bottleneck where you can control it: at your router. Now, your own QoS settings kick in and re-arrange your traffic. The cost of bandwidth is pretty minimal, but by tweaking things slowly you can marginalize it further.
;D
I'm guessing you really don't understand QoS ;). Its to allow important, time critical packets through, not bottleneck others (and it wouldn't unless the bandwidth was at capacity).
OOF up to a couple of years ago made extensive use of QoS as the line capacity was only 270kbps, so the line was pretty much always at 100% capacity from about 8am to 11pm. QoS allowed the important service to run fast, and the less important ones to run with a much higher latency.