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Title: Field expedient repair
Post by: Nick W on 08 February 2015, 17:49:18
OK, I'll be more accurate, it's a bodge.


Having replaced my ABS pump/ECU yesterday, we bled the brakes today, and got everything working. After walking into town to get some anti-freeze(I know I had some, somewhere >:( ), I left the car idling while I torqued the wheelnuts correctly. When I got to the NSF, there was a spreading puddle of ATF dripping out of the end of the chassis rail.


It turns out that the lower hose on the PAS reservoir had a number of cracks that didn't survive the handling that was necessary to do the job, and was leaking. Badly.


Due to various boring circumstances, I cut off the short piece of hose that was crimped to the hard line(careful use of a Dremel), and have replaced it with a length of garden hose as it was all I could find of a suitable size. A couple of hose clamps, and I now have non-leaking steering ready for the MOT first thing Tuesday morning.


So: yes it looks like the terrible bodge that it is; no I don't expect it to last long; no I don't recommend it as a 'repair' unless it's unavoidable; yes, I'm going to get a length of suitable hose to make a proper repair; yes, I'll probably do that this weekend.
Title: Re: Field expedient repair
Post by: The Sheriff on 08 February 2015, 17:51:11
Will it stand up to the pressure?
Title: Re: Field expedient repair
Post by: TheBoy on 08 February 2015, 17:52:25
I've had a weekend of fixing one thing, creating another problem in the process. Must be that time of year ;D

Good luck with MOT
Title: Re: Field expedient repair
Post by: Nick W on 08 February 2015, 17:56:41
Will it stand up to the pressure?


I drove it up to the petrol station for some fuel, and to jetwash the mess off so that Colin doesn't complain too much. It isn't leaking from that, so now it only has last for the 100m drive to and from the MOT, and the time whilst it's on the ramp.


As I said, it's a bodge done because I had no options.
Title: Re: Field expedient repair
Post by: The Sheriff on 08 February 2015, 17:57:44
I hope it holds for you.
Title: Re: Field expedient repair
Post by: the alarming man on 08 February 2015, 17:59:27
Hazel motors nick???... :y
Title: Re: Field expedient repair
Post by: Nick W on 08 February 2015, 18:05:30
Hazel motors nick???... :y


It doesn't get any easier than dropping off the keys on my way to work, and paying for it later in the day when they've parked it back outside the house. They've never failed a car on anything I could complain about, and I get the trade price.
Title: Re: Field expedient repair
Post by: amba on 08 February 2015, 18:22:59
Good Guy that Colin. :y

Might be twisting his arm to do a gearbox drain and fill at somepoint as after thinking it over last night dont fancy laying on cold concrete or having a ATF bath . :(

Fingers crossed for MOT Nick ;)
Title: Re: Field expedient repair
Post by: ronnyd on 08 February 2015, 20:30:20
Will it stand up to the pressure?


I drove it up to the petrol station for some fuel, and to jetwash the mess off so that Colin doesn't complain too much. It isn't leaking from that, so now it only has last for the 100m drive to and from the MOT, and the time whilst it's on the ramp.


As I said, it's a bodge done because I had no options.

Is that figure 100 miles or 100 metres to your MOT NIck? ;)
Title: Re: Field expedient repair
Post by: the alarming man on 08 February 2015, 20:56:06
I don't know much about Hazel's apart from where they are

Ronny I would say 100 metres nick lives up the road from them....in fact may be a bit closer
Title: Re: Field expedient repair
Post by: amba on 08 February 2015, 22:03:17
Its even down hill to the garage so he could free wheel  ;D...think its more like 30 yards max  :o
Title: Re: Field expedient repair
Post by: ronnyd on 08 February 2015, 22:10:06
Seems a few of you around that area, are you Kentish Men or Men of Kent? ???
Title: Re: Field expedient repair
Post by: the alarming man on 08 February 2015, 22:17:03
I am man of kent.... :y
Title: Re: Field expedient repair
Post by: Nick W on 08 February 2015, 23:45:13
As am I.
Title: Re: Field expedient repair
Post by: ronnyd on 09 February 2015, 00:12:17
So where is the border then.? ???
Title: Re: Field expedient repair
Post by: amba on 09 February 2015, 08:05:27


It’s one of the recurring questions related to our county’s great history and those who live here: are you a Man of Kent or a Kentish Man?

The precise definition remains open to debate even now – and this has been one long disagreement, considering that the terms were believed to have been founded more than 1,500 years ago.

According to tradition, the first Men and Maids of Kent hailed from a Germanic tribe called the Jutes who settled in the east of the county, while the Kentish Men and Maids were of Saxon origin and had settled in the west of the county.

The standard way to tell which category you fell into has been according to which side of the River Medway you were born.

If you originated from the south and east of the river, you were a Man of Kent. Those who believe they are of that lineage tell tales to set themselves apart from their counterparts on the other side of the Medway.

In 1067, it is told, the Men of Kent showed their fighting spirit by warding off William the Conqueror and winning a peace settlement from the new king allowing them certain traditional rights.

Meanwhile, the Kentish Men were said to have simply surrendered.

The story still holds sway today, although a monument in the churchyard of Saint Peter and Saint Paul’s Church in Swanscombe tells a slightly different version, suggesting it was men from both sides of the Medway who fought off William, who also carried the title of Duke of Normandy.

It is claimed the county motto Invicta originated from this tale.

The plaque reads: “Near this spot in 1067, by tradition the Men of Kent and the Kentish Men, carrying boughs on their shoulders and swords in their hands, met the invader William Duke of Normandy.

“They offered peace if he would grant their ancient rights and liberties, otherwise war and that most deadly.

“Their request was granted, and from that day the motto of Kent has been ‘Invicta’, meaning unconquered.”

Other less popular theories behind the Kentish divide include that of the 19th century author Charles Henry Fielding, who is said to have defined a Man of Kent as someone born between the River Stour in Canterbury and the sea, with all others being Kentish Men.

Other explanations include the suggestion that a Kentish Man was born in Kent but not of Kentish parents, but a Man of Kent was born in Kent to Kentish parents.

Alternatively, put forward in the 1907 book Highways And Byways In Kent, by Walter Jerrold, is the theory that the terms have a more religious meaning. According to Jerrold, the Men of Kent are supposedly those born within the limits of the Diocese of Canterbury, while Kentish Men are those born within the limits of the Diocese of Rochester.

The more you look into the background of the two county sides, the more interpretations there seem to be, which muddies the waters yet more.

With the true definition of where the two Kentish factions originated perhaps still not entirely clear, the search for the truth continues, proving the county’s ancient foundations are still a popular topic.

So, whether you believe you are a Man or Maid of Kent, or a Kentish Man or Maid, the debate will no doubt rage over pints of Kentish ale – or should that be ale of Kent?

Clear as mud ah !! ;)




 






 

 














 






 




 














 











 































 
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Title: Re: Field expedient repair
Post by: Sir Tigger KC on 09 February 2015, 09:32:33
That's all well and good, but we need to know more about Kentish Maids and Maids of Kent!  ::)  ;D
Title: Re: Field expedient repair
Post by: amba on 09 February 2015, 09:46:20
Would like to be able to Sir Tig ;)
Title: Re: Field expedient repair
Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 09 February 2015, 10:26:10
On the repair, you should be able to get some hydraulic hose for little money which would do the job.

Beware though as garden hose is not the most resistant material to oil  :y
Title: Re: Field expedient repair
Post by: the alarming man on 09 February 2015, 10:59:33
That's all well and good, but we need to know more about Kentish Maids and Maids of Kent!  ::)  ;D


you know what Tig when I find out where they hang around.... you will be second to know :y


as for the border??....I would say the M25
Title: Re: Field expedient repair
Post by: Nick W on 09 February 2015, 11:27:37
On the repair, you should be able to get some hydraulic hose for little money which would do the job.

Beware though as garden hose is not the most resistant material to oil  :y

That's the plan. I expect to get a piece whilst out and about.
I only used garden hose to get it done for the MOT as Sunday PM was the only time I had.

 which is why I admitted  it's a very short-term bodge.
Title: Re: Field expedient repair
Post by: the alarming man on 09 February 2015, 17:50:53
Did he pass nick???
Title: Re: Field expedient repair
Post by: Nick W on 09 February 2015, 18:20:18
It's booked for tomorrow morning. But I'm working tonight, so couldn't rely on having any time for it.

Hence the bodge.
Title: Re: Field expedient repair
Post by: VXL V6 on 09 February 2015, 18:24:40
Will it stand up to the pressure?


I drove it up to the petrol station for some fuel, and to jetwash the mess off so that Colin doesn't complain too much. It isn't leaking from that, so now it only has last for the 100m drive to and from the MOT, and the time whilst it's on the ramp.


As I said, it's a bodge done because I had no options.

Hardly any pressure in the system considering you can top it up / bleed it with the engine / pump running and the top removed.
 
Seems very common for that pipe to crack, seems to suffer most where it attached to the reservoir.
Title: Re: Field expedient repair
Post by: ronnyd on 09 February 2015, 20:20:19


It’s one of the recurring questions related to our county’s great history and those who live here: are you a Man of Kent or a Kentish Man?

The precise definition remains open to debate even now – and this has been one long disagreement, considering that the terms were believed to have been founded more than 1,500 years ago.

According to tradition, the first Men and Maids of Kent hailed from a Germanic tribe called the Jutes who settled in the east of the county, while the Kentish Men and Maids were of Saxon origin and had settled in the west of the county.

The standard way to tell which category you fell into has been according to which side of the River Medway you were born.

If you originated from the south and east of the river, you were a Man of Kent. Those who believe they are of that lineage tell tales to set themselves apart from their counterparts on the other side of the Medway.

In 1067, it is told, the Men of Kent showed their fighting spirit by warding off William the Conqueror and winning a peace settlement from the new king allowing them certain traditional rights.

Meanwhile, the Kentish Men were said to have simply surrendered.

The story still holds sway today, although a monument in the churchyard of Saint Peter and Saint Paul’s Church in Swanscombe tells a slightly different version, suggesting it was men from both sides of the Medway who fought off William, who also carried the title of Duke of Normandy.

It is claimed the county motto Invicta originated from this tale.

The plaque reads: “Near this spot in 1067, by tradition the Men of Kent and the Kentish Men, carrying boughs on their shoulders and swords in their hands, met the invader William Duke of Normandy.

“They offered peace if he would grant their ancient rights and liberties, otherwise war and that most deadly.

“Their request was granted, and from that day the motto of Kent has been ‘Invicta’, meaning unconquered.”

Other less popular theories behind the Kentish divide include that of the 19th century author Charles Henry Fielding, who is said to have defined a Man of Kent as someone born between the River Stour in Canterbury and the sea, with all others being Kentish Men.

Other explanations include the suggestion that a Kentish Man was born in Kent but not of Kentish parents, but a Man of Kent was born in Kent to Kentish parents.

Alternatively, put forward in the 1907 book Highways And Byways In Kent, by Walter Jerrold, is the theory that the terms have a more religious meaning. According to Jerrold, the Men of Kent are supposedly those born within the limits of the Diocese of Canterbury, while Kentish Men are those born within the limits of the Diocese of Rochester.

The more you look into the background of the two county sides, the more interpretations there seem to be, which muddies the waters yet more.

With the true definition of where the two Kentish factions originated perhaps still not entirely clear, the search for the truth continues, proving the county’s ancient foundations are still a popular topic.

So, whether you believe you are a Man or Maid of Kent, or a Kentish Man or Maid, the debate will no doubt rage over pints of Kentish ale – or should that be ale of Kent?

Clear as mud ah !! ;)




 






 

 














 






 




 














 











 































 
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Thanks for that amba, very informative :y Hope you get repair sorted ok Nick
Title: Re: Field expedient repair
Post by: Kevin Wood on 10 February 2015, 12:33:05
Hardly any pressure in the system considering you can top it up / bleed it with the engine / pump running and the top removed.
 
Seems very common for that pipe to crack, seems to suffer most where it attached to the reservoir.

Exactly. :y The pressure is the other side of the pump!

The fluid might get hot enough to soften the hose enough for it to come off the hose barbs or collapse and restrict flow, but fine for a trip to the MOT man.
Title: Re: Field expedient repair
Post by: Nick W on 10 February 2015, 12:51:48
So, it failed. Bloody thing!

Headlight beam pattern - if I can't get sensibly priced new ones by the end of the week I'll strip them down and polish both faces.

SRS warning light on - it wasn't when I parked it Sunday >:( Hopefully that's just where the seat has been moved.

OSR handbrake inadequate - annoying, but not too bad. I might treat it to a new cable, as it has looked in poor condition for sometime.

As we've all mentioned, the problem with my garden hose bodge is it's not suitable for oil; the pressure isn't really a problem for a return hose.
Title: Re: Field expedient repair
Post by: Nick W on 10 February 2015, 15:54:54
I've just been in and paid for it; the new tester is about 8feet tall, and I didn't know the seat went that far back! Tonight I shall fiddle about with the wiring under the seat.
Title: Re: Field expedient repair
Post by: VXL V6 on 10 February 2015, 18:22:35
I've just been in and paid for it; the new tester is about 8feet tall, and I didn't know the seat went that far back! Tonight I shall fiddle about with the wiring under the seat.

Used to be a common fault on the Vectra B, if the seat hadn't moved for ages the yellow connector would fall off the first time it moved. Was so common that VX sold a repair kit consisting of a plug with a tail of loom that you soldered and shrink tubed on and then had to clear the codes with your code reader as any codes raised on the safety systems don't clear when you fix the fault for obvious reasons.
Title: Re: Field expedient repair
Post by: amba on 10 February 2015, 18:32:39
So the fault wasnt with the car but as a result of the "size of the tester "...Demand a refund  ;D.
Title: Re: Field expedient repair
Post by: the alarming man on 11 February 2015, 17:06:52
I've just been in and paid for it; the new testeris about 8feet tall, and I didn't know the seat went that far back!  Tonight I shall fiddle about with the wiring under the seat.

especially if the seat did'nt go that far back and was errmm made too :y
Title: Re: Field expedient repair
Post by: Nick W on 12 February 2015, 21:24:30
Reset the light tonight, ran it round the block, and left the seat all the way back for sasquatch next week.


That just leaves the handbrake to do on Saturday; I even have a nice new cable for it, as all the end covers are knackered and I've seen too many cables frozen.