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Title: US Role In The Geopolitical World
Post by: Rods2 on 21 February 2015, 15:19:52
I firmly believe we are where we are now with the current and growing global instability in multiple parts of the world due to the Omama / Rice catastrophic foreign policy failures.

Pre-WWII the UK had the world's most powerful navy and we were the world's global policeman, after WWII the US took over this role. Under Carter they failed in their global duties with Iran but the the current White House incumbent and his sidekick Rice, whose foreign policy ethos is do nothing and hope the problem goes away, just doesn't work any better than closing down a country's police force would, so there is no criminal 'provocations', with the expectation that the criminals will behave themselves! :o :o :o

Now it might already be too late to stop nuclear WWIII, but another isolationist president in the White House will almost certainly mean it will be as the two most dangerous dictatorships in the world Russia and China take advantage of the resultant power vacuum.

This article from the Brookings Institute is well worth reading:

http://www.brookings.edu/blogs/order-from-chaos/posts/2015/02/19-united-states-must-resist-return-to-spheres-of-interest-international-system-kagan (http://www.brookings.edu/blogs/order-from-chaos/posts/2015/02/19-united-states-must-resist-return-to-spheres-of-interest-international-system-kagan)
Title: Re: US Role In The Geopolitical World
Post by: Sir Tigger KC on 21 February 2015, 16:10:21

Now it might already be too late to stop nuclear WWIII....

I think that might be over egging things a bit, but sadly I think you are right that some sort of confrontation between East and West is  inevitable.  China will sit on the sidelines while the 'gwailos' kill each other and then will step up when NATO and the Russians are weakened from years of war.  ::)
Title: Re: US Role In The Geopolitical World
Post by: BazaJT on 21 February 2015, 16:13:11
I do believe you could well be correct with WW3,but whether it would go nuclear I'm not so sure.I fully realise that there are some mad folk out there with the power but are any of them so mad as to launch Armageddon?I sincerely hope not.
Title: Re: US Role In The Geopolitical World
Post by: The Sheriff on 21 February 2015, 17:51:19
I do believe you could well be correct with WW3,but whether it would go nuclear I'm not so sure.I fully realise that there are some mad folk out there with the power but are any of them so mad as to launch Armageddon?I sincerely hope not.
That's the logical premise, but what if one side starts winning? Will the other capitulate and leave themselves open to years of being told what they can and can't do or, indeed, Putin being indicted for crimes against humanity, or will they decide that going out with a bang is preferrable?
History teaches us that war dehumanises even the most gentle of people and, once communication has stopped, anything can happen.
Title: Re: US Role In The Geopolitical World
Post by: Varche on 21 February 2015, 18:29:09
I think Obama is at fault.

How hard would it have been for him to meet Putin somewhere for a few beers and bear wrestling, then have a chat about life and everything.

They could pretty soon have sorted out their agendas. At the end of the day - for world leaders the only requirement is stability with trade and more trade. Without it , society is a house of cards. falling income, falling tax revenue doesn't help anyone in power. The West has got its foot on Russias neck, what else is there left for the gay shorty to do.

A gross oversight IMO. maybe he doesn't like travel or bear wrestling ;D ;D
Title: Re: US Role In The Geopolitical World
Post by: Rods2 on 21 February 2015, 20:33:05
I think Obama is at fault.

How hard would it have been for him to meet Putin somewhere for a few beers and bear wrestling, then have a chat about life and everything.

They could pretty soon have sorted out their agendas. At the end of the day - for world leaders the only requirement is stability with trade and more trade. Without it , society is a house of cards. falling income, falling tax revenue doesn't help anyone in power. The West has got its foot on Russias neck, what else is there left for the gay shorty to do.

A gross oversight IMO. maybe he doesn't like travel or bear wrestling ;D ;D

Putin only respects strength which comes from his early life living in a Leningrad ghetto and that is why he treats Obama as a weak eloquent speaker with contempt. ???

Putin given the chance will not go out quietly and this makes him very dangerous. What he is doing in Ukraine is to stop a Moscow Maiden where he doesn't want in his own words: "to end up like Mubarak or Gaddafi". :o :o :o
Title: Re: US Role In The Geopolitical World
Post by: andyc on 21 February 2015, 21:40:13
Its a worry, the clock has been to to 11:57

http://thebulletin.org/current-issue. Last time it was this close was in '84. The big question is Would you want to survive?

Andy
Title: Re: US Role In The Geopolitical World
Post by: Rods2 on 22 February 2015, 00:56:04
Its a worry, the clock has been to to 11:57

http://thebulletin.org/current-issue. Last time it was this close was in '84. The big question is Would you want to survive?

Andy

It is estimated about 30% of the world's population will. Chernobyl shows that plants and animals are much more resistant to reasonable levels of radioactivity than expected, plants and animals have to have some immunity as natural radioactivity something we all have to live with everyday from the Earth and Space.

Like climate change there is much speculation that the predicted nuclear winter would not be as bad as many scientists to justify their research grants have predicted.

I would rather not find out, but with the most dangerous dictator since Stalin in the Kremlin the danger is IMO the highest since the Cuban crisis, especially where Russia thinks it could win a nuclear exchange due to their Moscow ABM system and better civil defences than the West so more survive.
Title: Re: US Role In The Geopolitical World
Post by: The Sheriff on 22 February 2015, 11:07:14
I think there is a plan in place to deal with the survivors of the first/second wave. Sleeper subs that will surface and finish the job. Nice, eh?
Title: Re: US Role In The Geopolitical World
Post by: 05omegav6 on 22 February 2015, 14:46:05
Kinda defeatist though :-\
Title: Re: US Role In The Geopolitical World
Post by: The Sheriff on 22 February 2015, 19:22:30
There's really no point in worrying about it. Don't know if you've got a fallout shelter, but I certainly haven't. Try and be philosophical, we are not that important in the great scheme of things, the universe will continue for a few billion years yet. It will just have a tiny, radioactive ball floating round in it.  ;D