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Omega Help Area => Omega General Help => Topic started by: pauls on 28 March 2015, 12:44:22

Title: gearbox problem again.
Post by: pauls on 28 March 2015, 12:44:22
A short story so far.
Notice the car would thump into gear now and again so I had the fluid checked and topped up. All good for a few days. It then started again so I decided to go fo the full fluid filter and gasket change.
 Took to get this done and box and solenoids where checked afterwards all good , gave it a good run on the way home and it was smooth. That was a week ago. I have been of work this week so only covered about 100 miles. Took it to get some petrol and on the way I was doing about 20mph and it suddenly revd up then thumped into gear and the warning light came on the car with the spanner thru it. This was the first time.
Fill it up with petrol and when starting the car the light went out. I moved the car and parked it to read the codes and it came back with p0730-incorrect gear ratio.

anyway ideas please I iam getting cheesed off now.

if it helps problems I know I have are thermo switch stuck open-fans on all the time. To me car idles at 490 to 500. I was wondering if these two problems will effect what gear it wants.
Title: Re: gearbox problem again.
Post by: JamesV6CDX on 28 March 2015, 13:39:07
I have once seen this fault code caused by the pressure control solenoid being faulty, however if the revs are rising, then it's a mechanical drivetrain issue in my experience

Yours is a 2.6 right? You could spend ages chasing the problem around, if it were me I'd fit a known good box on there, 3 hours work and job jobbed.. If you're not heavy on the right foot an ar25 will be fine too :y

Title: Re: gearbox problem again.
Post by: ffcgary1 on 28 March 2015, 13:41:11
Could be the dreaded thrust washer has decided to fail, normally you will find some evidence of it in  the smaller of the 2 sump pans. 
Title: Re: gearbox problem again.
Post by: pauls on 28 March 2015, 13:46:45
I have once seen this fault code caused by the pressure control solenoid being faulty, however if the revs are rising, then it's a mechanical drivetrain issue in my experience

Yours is a 2.6 right? You could spend ages chasing the problem around, if it were me I'd fit a known good box on there, 3 hours work and job jobbed.. If you're not heavy on the right foot an ar25 will be fine too :y


James its a 3.2 so it has the ar35 in it.


Just a bit of slug in the bottom around magnet. Nothing else

Could be the dreaded thrust washer has decided to fail, normally you will find some evidence of it in  the smaller of the 2 sump pans. 
Title: Re: gearbox problem again.
Post by: 05omegav6 on 28 March 2015, 13:48:08
It's a 3.2, so should have the full fat AR35 fitted :-\

Must type faster. ;D
Title: Re: gearbox problem again.
Post by: JamesV6CDX on 28 March 2015, 13:49:14
Ah apologies thought it was a 2.6 :(

Yep AR35 then!
Title: Re: gearbox problem again.
Post by: pscocoa on 28 March 2015, 16:17:47
It had the same problem about 6 years ago but was ok after fluid change. Would occasionally hesitate in later years (maybe twice a year) but it was only doing low miles.
Title: Re: gearbox problem again.
Post by: pscocoa on 28 March 2015, 16:23:55
Just looking back at my posts I note I had a theory to change the crank sensor before doing anything else as the gearbox might be reading wrong engine speed - as said this was in  2009/2010 
Title: Re: gearbox problem again.
Post by: ted_one on 28 March 2015, 16:52:13
I had exactly the same problem with one of my 3.2's and as James will confirm a known replacement transmission may well be the best solution as he had the job of fitting it,I did consider frigging around with replacement solenoids etc and they may or may not have done the trick,but in the end took the gearbox option and since, no more problems. ::)Sorry Paul,probably not what you want to hear.
Title: Re: gearbox problem again.
Post by: RobseyMV6 on 28 March 2015, 17:00:21
For the cost and hassle of sorting it, you'd do better to change to a known working box! or just put up with it for now?
Nice AR35 here  ;)

Good luck!  :y
Title: Re: gearbox problem again.
Post by: ted_one on 28 March 2015, 17:29:07
There you go...jobs a good'un :y
Title: Re: gearbox problem again.
Post by: TheBoy on 28 March 2015, 18:19:09
Incorrect Gear Ratio, if fluid level is correct, and no other codes is usually a hydro-mechanical problem with the box.

Given that a good second hand box can be picked up for £75 or less, the most cost effective solution is replacement.
Title: Re: gearbox problem again.
Post by: chrisgixer on 28 March 2015, 18:46:44
If there was no debris in the sumps when the atf was changed, there may be some mileage in changing solenoids. Third gear solenoid is often mentioned on here.

But, as said, if you have access to another known good box why mess about.


Where the gear box codes read at any point? Gear box Ecu "might" throw a specific solenoid code.

Pedal trick only reads engine ecu. Not gear box. Btw
Title: Re: gearbox problem again.
Post by: ted_one on 28 March 2015, 18:49:05
ATF/Filters and thorough inspection/clean done at Serek's,I was there with Paul when it was done,and I drove it back here without a problem,the only thing that was apparent with the car( and probably not relevant) was that the idle was a slightly down and slightly uneven,but ran smoothly under load. :-\ Serek checked and no codes apparent at the time :y
Title: Re: gearbox problem again.
Post by: pauls on 28 March 2015, 19:11:40
ATF/Filters and thorough inspection/clean done at Serek's,I was there with Paul when it was done,and I drove it back here without a problem,the only thing that was apparent with the car( and probably not relevant) was that the idle was a slightly down and slightly uneven,but ran smoothly under load. :-\ Serek checked and no codes apparent at the time :y

As Ken said once serek has done the filter etc he ran it around for a good run then I went with him all good. He then had it on a reader and had the solenoids clicking as there should.
Title: Re: gearbox problem again.
Post by: Steve B on 28 March 2015, 19:14:33
I had that code on a AR25 box And the thunp into gear ETC.. we decided it was the 2-3 solenoid ..fitted a known good box in the end  :y

(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/70807181/box1.jpg)
Title: Re: gearbox problem again.
Post by: ted_one on 28 March 2015, 19:42:23
Bit of a dilemma,for Paul,but I would.....knowing what I know through two past experiences with this problem,then it's a replacement gearbox for me.....bit of a sh** deal having just got the car, but one of my 3.2'came with only 40k genuine miles on the clock from the old bill.It had the same fault and that's probably why they got rid,I lived with it for 10 years by sticking it into sport mode to stop the box from slipping and thumping when it decided to play up.Box now replaced and life is a lot smoother :y