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Title: House Alarm
Post by: Auto Addict on 08 April 2015, 10:14:02
With the alarm deactivated, can I isolate the mains and change the battery?
Title: Re: House Alarm
Post by: Kevin Wood on 08 April 2015, 10:18:14
Normally, if the alarm is just unset, the tamper circuits are still active, so the alarm will sound if you remove the cover from the control panel to replace the battery.

You need to put it into "engineer mode" (apologies to MarkDTM ::) )
Title: Re: House Alarm
Post by: the alarming man on 08 April 2015, 10:33:50
you really don't need to isolate mains to replace a battery as you may lose all the programming but as Kevin said you would need to put it into engineers mode to stop the alarm activating in tamper...your user code will stop it going off but that being said depending on the programming you may be able to reset it using your code... :y
Title: Re: House Alarm
Post by: Auto Addict on 08 April 2015, 10:34:40
Ah! That might be difficult, as I haven't got the engineer code :(
Title: Re: House Alarm
Post by: the alarming man on 08 April 2015, 10:36:47
as I said your user code will stop it going off and you may be able to reset it using your user code :y
Title: Re: House Alarm
Post by: Auto Addict on 08 April 2015, 10:40:46
as I said your user code will stop it going off and you may be able to reset it using your user code :y

 :y
Title: Re: House Alarm
Post by: tigers_gonads on 08 April 2015, 10:42:17
What make of control panel have you got ?
Title: Re: House Alarm
Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 08 April 2015, 10:48:03
Pull the lid and the alarm will sound, then enter your code to turn it off.

Change the battery and replace the lid, reset the panel

My advice would be to get the installation instructions and reset the system to factory (there is pretty much always a way ;-) ), then re-program with your own codes etc so you have full control and access.

Title: Re: House Alarm
Post by: tigers_gonads on 08 April 2015, 10:52:06
Pull the lid and the alarm will sound, then enter your code to turn it off.

Change the battery and replace the lid, reset the panel

My advice would be to get the installation instructions and reset the system to factory (there is pretty much always a way ;-) ), then re-program with your own codes etc so you have full control and access.



95% of the time, yes
Some panels require a engineers code for global tamper reset hence the question
Title: Re: House Alarm
Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 08 April 2015, 11:18:35
Pull the lid and the alarm will sound, then enter your code to turn it off.

Change the battery and replace the lid, reset the panel

My advice would be to get the installation instructions and reset the system to factory (there is pretty much always a way ;-) ), then re-program with your own codes etc so you have full control and access.



95% of the time, yes
Some panels require a engineers code for global tamper reset hence the question

Always ways around that one to  :y
Title: Re: House Alarm
Post by: the alarming man on 08 April 2015, 12:48:47
the only way around it is if the panel is programmed for engineer reset is either an engineer reset or a factory restart and that s not always possible as most manufactures include a function to allow you to lock the NVM which means the original engineers code stays in....and the only way around that is a approach the  manufacture and send the board back to them....
Title: Re: House Alarm
Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 08 April 2015, 13:14:33
Or use a suitable programmer to get into the NVM and modify it......not difficult  :y
Title: Re: House Alarm
Post by: tigers_gonads on 08 April 2015, 13:24:01
Or use a suitable programmer to get into the NVM and modify it......not difficult  :y



This is mr custard we are talking about  ::) ;D

As said
Give us the panel make and model then more accurate advice can be given
Title: Re: House Alarm
Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 08 April 2015, 13:28:12
Mr Custard has more of a technical background then you would think...... :y ;)
Title: Re: House Alarm
Post by: tigers_gonads on 08 April 2015, 13:54:03
Mr Custard has more of a technical background then you would think...... :y ;)



Then no doubt Barry will come back and call me  a cheeky idiot then  ;D
It's called banter but don't worry  ::)
I take it your hard at work .............
Me, I'm sat outside having numerous pints of cold BEER and thinking of you lot sweating away  ;D
Hugs and kisses ....... The Gonad Family  :-*
Title: Re: House Alarm
Post by: the alarming man on 08 April 2015, 13:58:47
the major panel manufactures (Honeywell being one) spent millions developing panels they not going to be circumnavigated by a £40 chip blower...mind you if by some fluke you have found away(which by the way is not going to happen over night) give me a shout as I know the local Barclays is an easy target.

I myself have been in the industry for over 25 years (from installation up to panel designing both Texecom and Honeywell) and I know a lot of engineers would be interested in hearing on how this is done  :y
Title: Re: House Alarm
Post by: Kevin Wood on 08 April 2015, 14:27:28
Depends on the panel in question but, given that this is presumably a domestic installation, I'd be very surprised if there isn't a simple procedure for resetting it to defaults if, indeed, that's even required in this instance.
Title: Re: House Alarm
Post by: the alarming man on 08 April 2015, 15:12:40
you can load defaults easily but the problems arise when the NVM is locked and you cannot do this  :y
Title: Re: House Alarm
Post by: Kevin Wood on 08 April 2015, 23:51:07
But it only knows the NVM is locked by setting a bit in the NVM, so clearly it's not going to be rocket science to work around that?

In any case, as I say, every panel I've come across in a domestic installation, there has been a simple procedure to reset it to defaults without resorting to device programmers regardless of what settings have been made. The manufacturers would be too inundated with muppets returning panels when they've made a mistake programming them otherwise. ;)
Title: Re: House Alarm
Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 09 April 2015, 08:32:44
And as you have worked for Texecom you will know they are one of the easiest.
Title: Re: House Alarm
Post by: tigers_gonads on 09 April 2015, 14:34:33
And as you have worked for Texecom you will know they are one of the easiest.

Early texicom stuff was a joke but to be fair, the newer grade 2 premier series stuff is pretty good.

Anyway, if folks have finished waving there dicks around finished trying to out do each other, anybody know what panel is fitted to Barry's house so we can help the bloke  :y
Title: Re: House Alarm
Post by: Auto Addict on 10 April 2015, 07:11:32
It's a Texecom.
Title: Re: House Alarm
Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 10 April 2015, 08:05:14
Veritas or Premier?

The Veritas ones are easy to reset, well advised to do so then you can shed the dependency on the fitter.  :y
Title: Re: House Alarm
Post by: Auto Addict on 10 April 2015, 11:10:55
Veritas or Premier?

The Veritas ones are easy to reset, well advised to do so then you can shed the dependency on the fitter.  :y

Premier :(
Title: Re: House Alarm
Post by: tigers_gonads on 10 April 2015, 12:31:01
I'm a Scantronic man myself
Iirc, premier are 2 stage reset
I'll dig out the default code later when I'm home.
Long shot but if he hasn't changed the default engineers code, you may be lucky.

That's if nobody beats me to it first
Title: Re: House Alarm
Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 10 April 2015, 14:22:37
Easy to reset if the NVM bit has not been set in the E2, if it has then its a read of the E2 to modify the bit.

I would hope the default Tech code of 1234 has been changed  :y
Title: Re: House Alarm
Post by: Auto Addict on 10 April 2015, 15:34:59
Easy to reset if the NVM bit has not been set in the E2, if it has then its a read of the E2 to modify the bit.

I would hope the default Tech code of 1234 has been changed  :y

Thread closed.

Thanks for all your help :y