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Title: Category B bodyshell
Post by: theolodian on 06 July 2008, 11:01:55
DVLA blew my mind yesterday.  They said that a Cat B chassis/shell can be used to rebuild a car that is less than Cat B, and if passes inspection can be put back on the road!  :o

Before people get tetchy, the Cat B shell being considered is from a flood damaged car - not wrecked.  And no, it is not a miggy.
Title: Re: Category B bodyshell
Post by: Danny on 06 July 2008, 11:17:29
please tell me you didnt buy that robin reliant shell we were talking about before??! ;D ;D
Title: Re: Category B bodyshell
Post by: theolodian on 06 July 2008, 11:18:58
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please tell me you didnt buy that robin reliant shell we were talking about before??! ;D ;D
No, missed that discussion.
Title: Re: Category B bodyshell
Post by: Andy B on 06 July 2008, 11:25:04
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please tell me you didnt buy that robin reliant shell we were talking about before??! ;D ;D

It's a [size=14]RELIANT ROBIN![/size]  ::)
You don't drive an Omega Vauxhall do you!  ;)  ;)  ;)
Title: Re: Category B bodyshell
Post by: Danny on 06 July 2008, 11:37:54
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please tell me you didnt buy that robin reliant shell we were talking about before??! ;D ;D

It's a [size=14]RELIANT ROBIN![/size]  ::)
You don't drive an Omega Vauxhall do you!  ;)  ;)  ;)

not at the moment, its f***ed!! ;D
Title: Re: Category B bodyshell
Post by: theolodian on 06 July 2008, 11:44:05
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please tell me you didnt buy that robin reliant shell we were talking about before??! ;D ;D

It's a [size=14]RELIANT ROBIN![/size]  ::)
You don't drive an Omega Vauxhall do you!  ;)  ;)  ;)

not at the moment, its f***ed!! ;D
Fess up, what did you do?  :-? ;)
Title: Re: Category B bodyshell
Post by: Danny on 06 July 2008, 11:57:54
it had been stood a few days while i was away, had a good long drive in it yesterday and it didnt feel too fantastic on gas, but no more than it had since it was converted, but while out on the A570 doing 60, it didnt want to behave and it felt unsafe, so i switched it to petrol and drove it to the place that did the conversion, 15 miles away, and on petrol it runs 100% fantastic

the guy attached his laptop, tweeked the mixture slightly but couldnt get it perfect, (idling erratically on gas) and re-did the auto calibration which still didnt help

he told me i might need new lambda sensors, they're throwing fault codes on gas and he thinks they're making the LPG ECU alter its settings to compensate, which is then making it run cack!, see http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1215268444

but also driving last night to my girlfriends i heard something dragging which i thought sounded like the exhaust brushing lightly against the road, however the middle and back are brand new, and i could find nothing hanging down, and nothing near the wheels or brakes that could be rubbing :(
Title: Re: Category B bodyshell
Post by: theolodian on 06 July 2008, 12:08:37
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it had been stood a few days while i was away, had a good long drive in it yesterday and it didnt feel too fantastic on gas, but no more than it had since it was converted, but while out on the A570 doing 60, it didnt want to behave and it felt unsafe, so i switched it to petrol and drove it to the place that did the conversion, 15 miles away, and on petrol it runs 100% fantastic

the guy attached his laptop, tweeked the mixture slightly but couldnt get it perfect, (idling erratically on gas) and re-did the auto calibration which still didnt help

he told me i might need new lambda sensors, they're throwing fault codes on gas and he thinks they're making the LPG ECU alter its settings to compensate, which is then making it run cack!, see http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1215268444

but also driving last night to my girlfriends i heard something dragging which i thought sounded like the exhaust brushing lightly against the road, however the middle and back are brand new, and i could find nothing hanging down, and nothing near the wheels or brakes that could be rubbing :(
Be VERY careful that it isn't the gas line drooping on the driveshaft!  Doubt that he ran it in the tunnel, but since it was one of the last things done to the car you want to be sure.

I don't have any experience with gas, but it's going to be difficult to diagnose something like lambda sensors if not doing it on petrol as well. Not saying it isn't them, but very hard to be sure.
Title: Re: Category B bodyshell
Post by: Danny on 06 July 2008, 12:18:17
my thoughts exactly, i aint buying pattern lambdas, and for the sake of "seeing if its them" i'm not buying genuine at VX for over £200 when its probably not them at fault!!

if i jack the car up, should i be able to see the gas line and drive shaft?
Title: Re: Category B bodyshell
Post by: theolodian on 06 July 2008, 12:25:50
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my thoughts exactly, i aint buying pattern lambdas, and for the sake of "seeing if its them" i'm not buying genuine at VX for over £200 when its probably not them at fault!!

if i jack the car up, should i be able to see the gas line and drive shaft?
Gas line should be obvious even without jacking up if run outside tunnel.  Jacking up won't let you see around driveshaft safely unless quite high and held solidly on jackstands.
Title: Re: Category B bodyshell
Post by: FRE07962128 on 06 July 2008, 12:29:29
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DVLA blew my mind yesterday.  They said that a Cat B chassis/shell can be used to rebuild a car that is less than Cat B, and if passes inspection can be put back on the road!  :o

Before people get tetchy, the Cat B shell being considered is from a flood damaged car - not wrecked.  And no, it is not a miggy.


Can you please explain to me what is a "Cat B" chassis/shell is Theolodian? :-/ :-/

I have heard this before but never really understood what it mean't. ;)
Title: Re: Category B bodyshell
Post by: theolodian on 06 July 2008, 12:37:35
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DVLA blew my mind yesterday.  They said that a Cat B chassis/shell can be used to rebuild a car that is less than Cat B, and if passes inspection can be put back on the road!  :o

Before people get tetchy, the Cat B shell being considered is from a flood damaged car - not wrecked.  And no, it is not a miggy.


Can you please explain to me what is a "Cat B" chassis/shell is Theolodian? :-/ :-/

I have heard this before but never really understood what it mean't. ;)
Cat is for category.  A,B,C,D are the different levels of accident damage.  A and B can not be repaired and put back on the road.  C is safe but not economical to repair (possibly including other costs like loan cars), D is anything else.

A is no usable parts, crush only.  B is strip usable parts and crush shell according to some, however the DVLA told me that even the chassis (bodyshell on modern cars) is a valid spare part if in good condition.  Flood damage cars are usually Cat B due to electrics, but shell is ok.
Title: Re: Category B bodyshell
Post by: FRE07962128 on 06 July 2008, 12:42:35
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DVLA blew my mind yesterday.  They said that a Cat B chassis/shell can be used to rebuild a car that is less than Cat B, and if passes inspection can be put back on the road!  :o

Before people get tetchy, the Cat B shell being considered is from a flood damaged car - not wrecked.  And no, it is not a miggy.


Can you please explain to me what is a "Cat B" chassis/shell is Theolodian? :-/ :-/

I have heard this before but never really understood what it mean't. ;)
Cat is for category.  A,B,C,D are the different levels of accident damage.  A and B can not be repaired and put back on the road.  C is safe but not economical to repair (possibly including other costs like loan cars), D is anything else.

A is no usable parts, crush only.  B is strip usable parts and crush shell according to some, however the DVLA told me that even the chassis (bodyshell on modern cars) is a valid spare part if in good condition.  Flood damage cars are usually Cat B due to electrics, but shell is ok.

Thanks for that; now I fully understand! ;) :y :y :y
Title: Re: Category B bodyshell
Post by: Danny on 06 July 2008, 12:52:13
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my thoughts exactly, i aint buying pattern lambdas, and for the sake of "seeing if its them" i'm not buying genuine at VX for over £200 when its probably not them at fault!!

if i jack the car up, should i be able to see the gas line and drive shaft?
Gas line should be obvious even without jacking up if run outside tunnel.  Jacking up won't let you see around driveshaft safely unless quite high and held solidly on jackstands.

couldnt see enough round drive shaft, couldnt find jack stands but its up on ramps, i found a copper pipe running from the vapouriser to the back of the car, it runs along the side of the car though, does that mean its not that that's rattling?

the new exhaust however has a slight leak of fluid (?) at one of the joins to the front section, and one of the joins to the back section, could this cause a rattle like the sound i described?
Title: Re: Category B bodyshell
Post by: theolodian on 06 July 2008, 12:57:30
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my thoughts exactly, i aint buying pattern lambdas, and for the sake of "seeing if its them" i'm not buying genuine at VX for over £200 when its probably not them at fault!!

if i jack the car up, should i be able to see the gas line and drive shaft?
Gas line should be obvious even without jacking up if run outside tunnel.  Jacking up won't let you see around driveshaft safely unless quite high and held solidly on jackstands.

couldnt see enough round drive shaft, couldnt find jack stands but its up on ramps, i found a copper pipe running from the vapouriser to the back of the car, it runs along the side of the car though, does that mean its not that that's rattling?

the new exhaust however has a slight leak of fluid (?) at one of the joins to the front section, and one of the joins to the back section, could this cause a rattle like the sound i described?
Bare copper?!  I thought they were insulated.  Other than that, you're getting beyond my expertise.  Just look/poke around.

My bad rattle was a broken rear spring, but that's pretty loud.
Title: Re: Category B bodyshell
Post by: Danny on 06 July 2008, 12:58:39
its insulated all the way down apart from about an inch at the vap end, so i followed it down
Title: Re: Category B bodyshell
Post by: theolodian on 06 July 2008, 13:17:53
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its insulated all the way down apart from about an inch at the vap end, so i followed it down
If insulated and not visibly rubbing, then no that's probably not your problem.

Maybe check the shields on the back of the brake discs?  Could be rubbing on disc.  One of the least visible rubbing noises if nothing visible.  Can even be a stone rattling around in there.
Title: Re: Category B bodyshell
Post by: Danny on 06 July 2008, 13:30:55
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its insulated all the way down apart from about an inch at the vap end, so i followed it down
If insulated and not visibly rubbing, then no that's probably not your problem.

Maybe check the shields on the back of the brake discs?  Could be rubbing on disc.  One of the least visible rubbing noises if nothing visible.  Can even be a stone rattling around in there.

thats been a suggestion, might take it for a short and cautious drive in a sec and see what i can find, or not find
Title: Re: Category B bodyshell
Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 06 July 2008, 14:21:59
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it had been stood a few days while i was away, had a good long drive in it yesterday and it didnt feel too fantastic on gas, but no more than it had since it was converted, but while out on the A570 doing 60, it didnt want to behave and it felt unsafe, so i switched it to petrol and drove it to the place that did the conversion, 15 miles away, and on petrol it runs 100% fantastic

the guy attached his laptop, tweeked the mixture slightly but couldnt get it perfect, (idling erratically on gas) and re-did the auto calibration which still didnt help

he told me i might need new lambda sensors, they're throwing fault codes on gas and he thinks they're making the LPG ECU alter its settings to compensate, which is then making it run cack!, see http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1215268444

but also driving last night to my girlfriends i heard something dragging which i thought sounded like the exhaust brushing lightly against the road, however the middle and back are brand new, and i could find nothing hanging down, and nothing near the wheels or brakes that could be rubbing :(

Hes talking 'dangle berries', if they were faulty they would be throwing fault codes on Petrol setup which does a shed load maore diag on them than a third party gas ECU.

As for the cat B discussion, if its for the car I am thinking of, then yes, the chassis (in this case a space frame) is considered a spare part and can be used. Beware though because this does not apply to standard modern road going cars where the chassis/body can not be seperated
Title: Re: Category B bodyshell
Post by: theolodian on 06 July 2008, 14:27:42
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As for the cat B discussion, if its for the car I am thinking of, then yes, the chassis (in this case a space frame) is considered a spare part and can be used. Beware though because this does not apply to standard modern road going cars where the chassis/body can not be seperated
I didn't make that distinction on the phone, so they say that it doesn't matter!?

I am planning to use the other chassis, not the body panels.
Title: Re: Category B bodyshell
Post by: Danny on 06 July 2008, 14:28:46
thanks mark, i thought the same re lambdas

apologies for hijacking thread, feel free to remove my off-topic posts
Title: Re: Category B bodyshell
Post by: theolodian on 06 July 2008, 14:29:37
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thanks mark, i thought the same re lambdas

apologies for hijacking thread, feel free to remove my off-topic posts
Doesn't bother me.  :P