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Title: CBT tommorow
Post by: tunnie on 02 July 2008, 22:42:03
Booked the day off work, good thing too been flat out this week with our product launch in France, been one of the most complicated launches i have worked on.  >:(

CBT starts at 9AM, just hope it does not rain!
Title: Re: CBT tommorow
Post by: Debs. on 02 July 2008, 22:43:42
 :D Brilliant....enjoy it Tunnie! :y
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Post by: PaulW on 02 July 2008, 22:46:55
Good luck tunnie!  I'm sure you will be fine  :y
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Post by: LJay on 02 July 2008, 22:47:09
Enjoy it Tunnie! I'm really jealous!  :y
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Post by: stuart30 on 02 July 2008, 22:48:30
Relax and you"ll be fine.

One thing to remeber keep checking your mirrors...and move your head not just eyes...oh and remeber your life saver. :y
Title: Re: CBT tommorow
Post by: Entwood on 02 July 2008, 22:48:47
You'll do fine  :y :y :y :y :y
Title: Re: CBT tommorow
Post by: Vamps on 02 July 2008, 23:17:17
Good Luck, it's a doddle, my lad did it a couple of weeks ago, he's on the road now, there is no stoping him. :y
Title: Re: CBT tommorow
Post by: Martin_1962 on 02 July 2008, 23:18:54
Good luck :y
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Post by: Mr Skrunts on 02 July 2008, 23:20:50
Good luck matey,  :y :y
Title: Re: CBT tommorow
Post by: albitz on 03 July 2008, 00:50:42
relax,enjoy and good luck.generally with cbt,if your having trouble they will nag you a bit and make sure they get you through it ,so no need to worry. :y
Title: Re: CBT tommorow
Post by: Andy B on 03 July 2008, 00:55:51
As said, you'll be OK. Another step towards 2 wheels on the road.
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Post by: bertiecbx550 on 03 July 2008, 01:23:04
dont worry bout it...just go out and enjoy ya self and remember revs to the limit dump the clutch and wheelie outa the test centre.......exaiminers like that....trust me i`m an expert at falling off bikes...... :o ;D ;D
Title: Re: CBT tommorow
Post by: tunnie on 03 July 2008, 08:41:32
 ;D ;D ;D

Cheers guys, just about to head off now  :)  :y
Title: Re: CBT tommorow
Post by: TheBoy on 03 July 2008, 09:02:57
TB opens the curtains, and notes the roads are wet ;D
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Post by: Darth Loo-knee on 03 July 2008, 09:03:59
Good luck Tunnie :y
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Post by: JueV6 on 03 July 2008, 09:07:51
Best of luck Tunnie :y
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Post by: cem_devecioglu on 03 July 2008, 09:52:36
Good luck :y
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Post by: TheBoy on 03 July 2008, 10:29:31
Oh dear, its tipping it down in Brackley  :(

Hope he put on waterproof gear, as bikers know that water will find a way in.
Title: Re: CBT tommorow
Post by: ians on 03 July 2008, 11:02:34
Good luck - sounds like it may be interesting conditions :y (although I have to confess to not knowing exactly what CBT involves..)
Title: Re: CBT tommorow
Post by: TheBoy on 03 July 2008, 11:12:08
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Good luck - sounds like it may be interesting conditions :y (although I have to confess to not knowing exactly what CBT involves..)
CBT - ride around a parkpark in the morning, ride on roads in afternoon.  Don't fall off, and you get a 3yr ticket to ride 125s
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Post by: hotel21 on 03 July 2008, 11:14:12
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Good luck - sounds like it may be interesting conditions :y (although I have to confess to not knowing exactly what CBT involves..)
CBT - ride around a parkpark in the morning, ride on roads in afternoon.  Don't fall off, and you get a 3yr ticket to ride 125s

 ;D  pretty much sums it up.    ... and don't put a foot down when turning.    :y
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Post by: TheBoy on 03 July 2008, 11:19:26
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Good luck - sounds like it may be interesting conditions :y (although I have to confess to not knowing exactly what CBT involves..)
CBT - ride around a parkpark in the morning, ride on roads in afternoon.  Don't fall off, and you get a 3yr ticket to ride 125s

 ;D  pretty much sums it up.    ... and don't put a foot down when turning.    :y
Thats DAS isn't it?  (I know as I failed first time around putting foot down on u-turn  :-[)
Title: Re: CBT tommorow
Post by: ians on 03 July 2008, 11:58:44
Cool :y
Be safe though -  a colleague's brother in law was killed on a bike :(
Title: Re: CBT tommorow
Post by: kris9128 on 03 July 2008, 14:42:53
good luck mate. id mine last november. hoping to do my big test shortly. as said dont forget mirrors and your life saver.
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Post by: Andy B on 03 July 2008, 14:44:08
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Good luck - sounds like it may be interesting conditions :y (although I have to confess to not knowing exactly what CBT involves..)
CBT - ride around a parkpark in the morning, ride on roads in afternoon.  Don't fall off, and you get a 3yr ticket to ride 125s

My 'training' was ...... there's the throttle, there's there gears 1 up rest doen &  there's the brakes. Off you go! ;D
Title: Re: CBT tommorow
Post by: tunnie on 03 July 2008, 15:34:44
right i am back...

after 4 hours on the bike in the carpark, I:

stalled it ONCE.

Accidently let the clutch out too fast about half a dozen times i would, say, first ever time on the bike, i pulled it out smooth and was off. times i let it out too quick I was too busy thinking about changing gear soon, or concentrating on where i was going

So after 4 hours and only stalling it once, did he let me on the road?

NO  >:(

Said he was worried about his bike getting smashed up  :-[, i said i only let the clutch out too quick half a dozen times, but said he wanted me to come back.

But i am not going to do that, i felt he was a very poor teacher. The second.......      SECOND! time i let the clutch out too fast, which meant i bunny hopped it, out of the turn right (we were simulating right T junction turns)

Starts shouting at me "for fck sake, don't do that, don't f***ing snatch the clutch for F** sake"

Basically when ever one of us, (there were 3, 2 on 125cc manuals, and one guy on a 50cc twist-go) if any of us did something slightly wrong, ie go over the white line a bit too far, or bunny hop the bike he would start swearing black and blue, spitting as he was swearing.

There is me, errr first time, (not stalled it yet remember, 2 hours in) can you go a bit easier on me! I am not stupid, no need to use such fowl language with me.

Once and only time i stalled it was when i was stopped, we just been learning to change gear (up to 3rd), i came to a stop in second, i thought i was in Netural, was not so oops stalled it.

I did the figure of 8, feathering it on the clutch fine, when the bike went away from me, brought the clutch in, too slow? i let it out and so on.

Did the figure of 8 in a distance of 1.5 carparking spaces, slalam tests going between bollads, 8 of them, did the run though 5 times, no problems, never came off the bike!

Come to the road bit, nah you need to come back  :o

Sod that!
Title: Re: CBT tommorow
Post by: TheBoy on 03 July 2008, 15:37:33
Blimey, never known anyone to 'fail' it :o
Title: Re: CBT tommorow
Post by: TheBoy on 03 July 2008, 15:37:56
So you giving up, or trying elsewhere?
Title: Re: CBT tommorow
Post by: psychnurse on 03 July 2008, 15:39:18
What a self-abuser... sorry about the language but it i justified!!! Sorry to hear that mate. Get booked in to a new centre. The bloke sounds a right pleb!

There are folks who can teach and those who cant... just dont let him put you off. Get strait on the case of rebooking somewhere else.
Title: Re: CBT tommorow
Post by: kris9128 on 03 July 2008, 15:39:24
the man sounds like a pr*ck mate. bet he wanted to charge you the fee again for you to come back. go and book it at another centre mate.
Title: Re: CBT tommorow
Post by: tunnie on 03 July 2008, 15:39:53
had my fun, thats it.
Title: Re: CBT tommorow
Post by: kris9128 on 03 July 2008, 15:42:12
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had my fun, thats it.
no no no no no no no no no no no NO. get it booked at another station mate. get it passed and get out there on 2 wheels. you got to do it.
Title: Re: CBT tommorow
Post by: markey mark on 03 July 2008, 15:43:16
stick to cars mark much safer ! guy does sound a bit of a loony  ;D
Title: Re: CBT tommorow
Post by: tunnie on 03 July 2008, 15:45:39
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stick to cars mark much safer ! guy does sound a bit of a loony  ;D

He was scottish too, with a very strong accent.

Was a trouble to understand him half the time!  ;D

and oh yeh he was a prick, was in the army... can see why.

In the real world the F word does not need to be used 6 times in every sentence!
Title: Re: CBT tommorow
Post by: markey mark on 03 July 2008, 15:47:27
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stick to cars mark much safer ! guy does sound a bit of a loony  ;D

He was scottish too, with a very strong accent.

Was a trouble to understand him half the time!  ;D

and oh yeh he was a prick, was in the army... can see why.

In the real world the F word does not need to be used 6 times in every sentence!

you have to hear me in full song bud when ive got my crazy head on  ;D ;D
honestly mate stick to four wheels far too many dicks on road nowadays  :o :o
Title: Re: CBT tommorow
Post by: psychnurse on 03 July 2008, 15:47:33
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stick to cars mark much safer ! guy does sound a bit of a loony  ;D

He was scottish too, with a very strong accent.

Was a trouble to understand him half the time!  ;D

and oh yeh he was a prick, was in the army... can see why.

In the real world the F word does not need to be used 6 times in every sentence!


Withdrawal from tennants super if it was after 9am  ;D
Title: Re: CBT tommorow
Post by: TheBoy on 03 July 2008, 15:49:49
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had my fun, thats it.
You got a lid? We could always get the ZX10 out and scare you witless (alas, you can't ride it - ffs, you're not strong enough to keep it upright ;D)
Title: Re: CBT tommorow
Post by: tunnie on 03 July 2008, 15:51:06
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had my fun, thats it.
You got a lid? We could always get the ZX10 out and scare you witless (alas, you can't ride it - ffs, you're not strong enough to keep it upright ;D)

If you had something lighter / smaller CC i can prove i can control the bike!  ;)
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Post by: TheBoy on 03 July 2008, 16:15:46
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had my fun, thats it.
You got a lid? We could always get the ZX10 out and scare you witless (alas, you can't ride it - ffs, you're not strong enough to keep it upright ;D)

If you had something lighter / smaller CC i can prove i can control the bike!  ;)
If you've never been in/on something really quick, forget ability to control bike, concentrate on ability to control backside ;D
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Post by: kris9128 on 03 July 2008, 16:24:50
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had my fun, thats it.
You got a lid? We could always get the ZX10 out and scare you witless (alas, you can't ride it - ffs, you're not strong enough to keep it upright ;D)

If you had something lighter / smaller CC i can prove i can control the bike!  ;)

i got a de-resticted aprilia rs 125 you canborrow for a while if you want to get some road hours in.
Title: Re: CBT tommorow
Post by: tunnie on 03 July 2008, 16:40:42
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had my fun, thats it.
You got a lid? We could always get the ZX10 out and scare you witless (alas, you can't ride it - ffs, you're not strong enough to keep it upright ;D)

If you had something lighter / smaller CC i can prove i can control the bike!  ;)

i got a de-resticted aprilia rs 125 you canborrow for a while if you want to get some road hours in.

Thanks but since i never done the road bit, i never passed it. Can't justify taking another day of work for another one, and its 100 quid.

Had my fun, gave me a taste of what it was like. But after my daily 4 hour commute and full days work, I would rather drive home  ;)
Title: Re: CBT tommorow
Post by: TheBoy on 03 July 2008, 16:41:55
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had my fun, thats it.
You got a lid? We could always get the ZX10 out and scare you witless (alas, you can't ride it - ffs, you're not strong enough to keep it upright ;D)

If you had something lighter / smaller CC i can prove i can control the bike!  ;)

i got a de-resticted aprilia rs 125 you canborrow for a while if you want to get some road hours in.

Thanks but since i never done the road bit, i never passed it. Can't justify taking another day of work for another one, and its 100 quid.

Had my fun, gave me a taste of what it was like. But after my daily 4 hour commute and full days work, I would rather drive home  ;)
Mother Tunnie will be pleased ;)
Title: Re: CBT tommorow
Post by: tunnie on 03 July 2008, 16:45:01
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had my fun, thats it.
You got a lid? We could always get the ZX10 out and scare you witless (alas, you can't ride it - ffs, you're not strong enough to keep it upright ;D)

If you had something lighter / smaller CC i can prove i can control the bike!  ;)

i got a de-resticted aprilia rs 125 you canborrow for a while if you want to get some road hours in.

Thanks but since i never done the road bit, i never passed it. Can't justify taking another day of work for another one, and its 100 quid.

Had my fun, gave me a taste of what it was like. But after my daily 4 hour commute and full days work, I would rather drive home  ;)
Mother Tunnie will be pleased ;)

Yup, she mentioned she has often walked past the Rubgy club and heard him swearing black and blue at everyone!

I could easily spend £1,500 getting a bike and kitted out, money i should keep in savings for that house deposit  :y
Title: Re: CBT tommorow
Post by: TheBoy on 03 July 2008, 16:46:13
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had my fun, thats it.
You got a lid? We could always get the ZX10 out and scare you witless (alas, you can't ride it - ffs, you're not strong enough to keep it upright ;D)

If you had something lighter / smaller CC i can prove i can control the bike!  ;)

i got a de-resticted aprilia rs 125 you canborrow for a while if you want to get some road hours in.

Thanks but since i never done the road bit, i never passed it. Can't justify taking another day of work for another one, and its 100 quid.

Had my fun, gave me a taste of what it was like. But after my daily 4 hour commute and full days work, I would rather drive home  ;)
Mother Tunnie will be pleased ;)

Yup, she mentioned she has often walked past the Rubgy club and heard him swearing black and blue at everyone!

I could easily spend £1,500 getting a bike and kitted out, money i should keep in savings for that house deposit  :y
Was it at the rugby club? You should have said, I would have looked out of back bedroom window, and laughed :y
Title: Re: CBT tommorow
Post by: tunnie on 03 July 2008, 16:47:47
yup i was there!  ;D
Title: Re: CBT tommorow
Post by: Martin_1962 on 03 July 2008, 16:54:53
Sounds like a poor teacher

You need to keep going - try again - different place
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Post by: psychnurse on 03 July 2008, 17:00:25
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Sounds like a poor teacher

You need to keep going - try again - different place




Absolutly... dont waste the 100 quid! Get back in the saddle! You know you want to  ;)
Title: Re: CBT tommorow
Post by: kris9128 on 03 July 2008, 17:20:09
there are some cbt centres that do the test on a saturday. might save you booking the day off work mate. have a look around 4 wheels are nice and comfy but 2 wheels are fun  :y :y :y :y :y
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Post by: psychnurse on 03 July 2008, 17:23:15
They certainly do weekend courses in Hereford... and they are not £100! That sounds a rip off.  :o
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Post by: kris9128 on 03 July 2008, 17:24:58
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They certainly do weekend courses in Hereford... and they are not £100! That sounds a rip off.  :o

it's about right. i paid £120. but my teacher wasnt a knob.
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Post by: psychnurse on 03 July 2008, 17:27:20
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They certainly do weekend courses in Hereford... and they are not £100! That sounds a rip off.  :o

it's about right. i paid £120. but my teacher wasnt a knob.



I must be out of touch! mine was £20.50!!  8-)
Title: Re: CBT tommorow
Post by: PaulW on 03 July 2008, 17:29:46
I agree with everyone else, get to another training center and get it done there!  Also, it might be worth reporting the bloke to the DVLA, as his conduct from what you said was pretty poor, and definately not beneficial to any sort of prospective learner!

TB - the CBT cert lasts 2 years now ;)
Title: Re: CBT tommorow
Post by: psychnurse on 03 July 2008, 17:41:44
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I agree with everyone else, get to another training center and get it done there!  Also, it might be worth reporting the bloke to the DVLA, as his conduct from what you said was pretty poor, and definately not beneficial to any sort of prospective learner!

TB - the CBT cert lasts 2 years now ;)



Deffo... he may go on to intimidate peps who would enjoy a lifetime of motoring on 2 wheels. There is no excuse for such piggery in our era of consumer satisfaction  :D
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Post by: stuart30 on 03 July 2008, 19:09:28
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had my fun, thats it.
You got a lid? We could always get the ZX10 out and scare you witless (alas, you can't ride it - ffs, you're not strong enough to keep it upright ;D)

If you had something lighter / smaller CC i can prove i can control the bike!  ;)
If you've never been in/on something really quick, forget ability to control bike, concentrate on ability to control backside ;D

Oh how true....remember when my DR650 broke down,thumbing up the A1 and a very nice on a ZX picked me up,never been so damn scared in my life.
 ;D
Title: Re: CBT tommorow
Post by: mars on 03 July 2008, 20:17:55
Good luck mate. :y A couple of people I know have said it is a lot easier than they thought it was going to be. :)
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Post by: kris9128 on 03 July 2008, 20:23:34
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Good luck mate. :y A couple of people I know have said it is a lot easier than they thought it was going to be. :)

a tad late me thinks.   ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: CBT tommorow
Post by: platty on 03 July 2008, 20:36:23
There is no need to swear in that way at any time, any place or to anyone - especially from a teacher...

I could not accept someone taking £100 off me and then having to put up with abuse. I think a quiet word the first time it occurred wouldn't have gone amiss. If he has a problem with it - get a refund and walk away.

Very frustrating  >:(

It is very unfortunate that this man spoiled your attempt somewhat. I would probably give it another shot - just to prove to yourself!
Title: Re: CBT tommorow
Post by: Vamps on 03 July 2008, 20:51:06
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I agree with everyone else, get to another training center and get it done there!  Also, it might be worth reporting the bloke to the DVLA, as his conduct from what you said was pretty poor, and definately not beneficial to any sort of prospective learner!

TB - the CBT cert lasts 2 years now ;)

CBT is £100.00, my lad has just done it.
I strongly think you should report him, he may be self-employed but all CBT training company's are overseen, apparently quite strictly, just can’t remember by whom, and complaint are take seriously.
Whether you should have passed is a separate argument, sounds like his attitude was quite appalling.
As I said my lad has just done his and the instructors were really approachable and knowledgeable as well as quite chatty, and would be appalled by the behaviour you have described.
If you want me to find out who to and where to complain I could pop up and see them tomorrow.  

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Post by: mars on 03 July 2008, 20:54:49
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Good luck mate. :y A couple of people I know have said it is a lot easier than they thought it was going to be. :)

a tad late me thinks.   ;D ;D ;D ;D

Meant for next attempt
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Post by: kris9128 on 03 July 2008, 20:56:15
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Good luck mate. :y A couple of people I know have said it is a lot easier than they thought it was going to be. :)

a tad late me thinks.   ;D ;D ;D ;D

Meant for next attempt

my bad. sorry  :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[
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Post by: mars on 03 July 2008, 20:59:47
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Good luck mate. :y A couple of people I know have said it is a lot easier than they thought it was going to be. :)

a tad late me thinks.   ;D ;D ;D ;D

Meant for next attempt

my bad. sorry  :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[

Can see how I worded it now ::)
Title: Re: CBT tommorow
Post by: kris9128 on 03 July 2008, 21:01:39
 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: CBT tommorow
Post by: TheBoy on 04 July 2008, 08:38:05
We have theories about the 'failure' that I won't post in public.  Tunnie is redoing, for free, the CBT on Sunday morning, and I expect him to to have a cert by lunchtime :y
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Post by: Mr Skrunts on 04 July 2008, 08:53:17
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We have theories about the 'failure' that I won't post in public.  Tunnie is redoing, for free, the CBT on Sunday morning, and I expect him to to have a cert by lunchtime :y

Just read the thread for the 1st time.

Keep going matey, hope all goes well on Sunday.

If it ends up being the same instructor and he gives out the verbal again, then report the sod. :y
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Post by: TheBoy on 04 July 2008, 08:55:42
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We have theories about the 'failure' that I won't post in public.  Tunnie is redoing, for free, the CBT on Sunday morning, and I expect him to to have a cert by lunchtime :y

Just read the thread for the 1st time.

Keep going matey, hope all goes well on Sunday.

If it ends up being the same instructor and he gives out the verbal again, then report the sod. :y
Nah, he's passed it anyway, so just bite lip, ignore swearing, and get the cert ;)
Title: Re: CBT tommorow
Post by: tunnie on 04 July 2008, 09:34:36
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We have theories about the 'failure' that I won't post in public.  Tunnie is redoing, for free, the CBT on Sunday morning, and I expect him to to have a cert by lunchtime :y

Just read the thread for the 1st time.

Keep going matey, hope all goes well on Sunday.

If it ends up being the same instructor and he gives out the verbal again, then report the sod. :y
Nah, he's passed it anyway, so just bite lip, ignore swearing, and get the cert ;)

Yup, going back on Sunday, even though the guy is a bit of a idiot....

I will just ignore him!  ;D
Title: Re: CBT tommorow
Post by: Auto Addict on 04 July 2008, 09:47:01
All the best tunnie :y
Title: Re: CBT tommorow
Post by: TheBoy on 04 July 2008, 09:48:07
Is Mother Tunnie cross with me (even more than before) ::)
Title: Re: CBT tommorow
Post by: Entwood on 04 July 2008, 09:52:16
Don't know how you've wangled a free retest...  but good luck anyhow .. I'm sure you won't need it  :y :y :y :y

Title: Re: CBT tommorow
Post by: tunnie on 04 July 2008, 10:54:41
well its not a re-test, the CBT is a course. I have a feeling why he asked me to come back Sunday, cause at the end of it yesterday, he asked me had i done a CBT before, i said, no. but he did not respond to that  :-/

Not sure if that was good or bad. If i had done the road test that day, we could have not gone fast, the 50cc twist-go would have been left behind.

Mother tunnie will be too busy with her new Omega  ;)
Title: Re: CBT tommorow
Post by: kris9128 on 04 July 2008, 15:24:23
glad you got it sort of sorted. hope all goes well.  :y :y :y :y :y :y
Title: Re: CBT tommorow
Post by: tunnie on 06 July 2008, 08:24:01
well i went back just now, was told to be there at 8am.

Got up, it was dry outside. But after i was showered and ready it was pis$$ing it down, you could tell it was here for the long haul, and this was no shower  :(

Its only half a mile up the road where the learning place is, but i decided to take a little drive to see what the weather was like, bloody awful spray everyware from the other cars, its still really windy, could even feel the car being moved by the wind.

So I decided that i was not going to learn in this weather, this would be the first time i would be taking a bike out on the road.

So i go to the learning carpark thing where we arranged to meet, other guy who i was learning with last week was there. After some discussions, we both decided again that neither of us wanted to learn in this weather.

Instructor turns up, and the barrage of bad langauge continued from Thursday.

I said - "not sure if i want to learn in this weather"

His first responce was "bye then"

At which point the other guy who was learning with me said "pardon?"

Instructor - "you fcking joking? your never going to ride a bike in the fcking rain?"

He then contined to off load his van with the bikes  :o

After some breif discussions, me basically repeating that i did not want to learn in this weather, he said this is your last chance, i don't know when i can fit you in next, will prob be september!

At which point i had enough of this, I am not going to learn to ride a bike in the rain with you swearing black and blue at me, and never make a positive comment about my riding.

The other guy mentioned it too, that this instructor, never, never! once gave a comment such as "thats it your getting it, well done"

Or "that was better" - It was either, "fcking don't do that" or silence.


So i am keeping dry, and put on the xbox 360 and GTA4  :)
Title: Re: CBT tommorow
Post by: psychnurse on 06 July 2008, 08:28:16
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Good for you mate!!!

Enjoy your wet day!  ;D
Title: Re: CBT tommorow
Post by: TheBoy on 06 July 2008, 10:33:07
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well i went back just now, was told to be there at 8am.

Got up, it was dry outside. But after i was showered and ready it was pis$$ing it down, you could tell it was here for the long haul, and this was no shower  :(

Its only half a mile up the road where the learning place is, but i decided to take a little drive to see what the weather was like, bloody awful spray everyware from the other cars, its still really windy, could even feel the car being moved by the wind.

So I decided that i was not going to learn in this weather, this would be the first time i would be taking a bike out on the road.

So i go to the learning carpark thing where we arranged to meet, other guy who i was learning with last week was there. After some discussions, we both decided again that neither of us wanted to learn in this weather.

Instructor turns up, and the barrage of bad langauge continued from Thursday.

I said - "not sure if i want to learn in this weather"

His first responce was "bye then"

At which point the other guy who was learning with me said "pardon?"

Instructor - "you fcking joking? your never going to ride a bike in the fcking rain?"

He then contined to off load his van with the bikes  :o

After some breif discussions, me basically repeating that i did not want to learn in this weather, he said this is your last chance, i don't know when i can fit you in next, will prob be september!

At which point i had enough of this, I am not going to learn to ride a bike in the rain with you swearing black and blue at me, and never make a positive comment about my riding.

The other guy mentioned it too, that this instructor, never, never! once gave a comment such as "thats it your getting it, well done"

Or "that was better" - It was either, "fcking don't do that" or silence.


So i am keeping dry, and put on the xbox 360 and GTA4  :)
lightweight.

not raining that hard ;), and you would spend most your time around town ;)
Title: Re: CBT tommorow
Post by: Arpy on 06 July 2008, 11:19:46
Hi Tunnie
I have just been reading your response and I am completely gob smacked at this instructor!!
I used to have my own bike training business and was a fully qualified DSA approved instructor, this guy who took you is it his own business or is he a down trained instructor working for someone else.
If this is his business you want to report him to the DSA.
I havent read all the responses but the way a CBT works is that there is no time scale to completing it.
Its just usually a full day should get you through.
Now saying that it does depend on a few factors
how confidant you are on your riding abilities, how good your instructor is and how confident he is on allowing you to contnue.
While your riding around on the off road area he should be assessing you all the time and only when he feels you have got to a stage where you could go out should he ask you if you feel up to it.
The minimum time for assessing you on the road is 2 hours now if he thinks you still are not up to it or you are not happy he should arrange another time and take you out untill he is satisfied that he can give you your certificate.
I will stress this point again there is no time scale
I do have a concern though and that is why you are not happy at going out in rain?
is it because you are unsure about your riding or is it to do with him?
I used to trian all day in rain and some of my students would turn up with no waterproofs.
some where absolutely drenched (usually young lads who thought it cooler to be wet than look stupid !!!!)
At the end of day they looked like drowned rats but they had grins the size of cheddar gorge because they had enjoyed riding so much.
that is exactly what it should be even in wet the joy of riding a bike is fantastic.
I have trained hundred of people of all shapes sizes ages etc and apart from one chap who just couldnt get his balance right on 2 wheels (I spent a whole day on test track at end of day I asked him if he would like to come back for more practice before I took him out on road he declined quite happy really saying I did enough and he was going to stick to his classic car)
so I will stop ranting on now and hope to hear from you
Title: Re: CBT tommorow
Post by: FRE07962128 on 06 July 2008, 11:30:05
I like your principles Tunnie and well done for facing up to the bully who obviously lacks decency and common sense.  If more people did that this chap wouldn't have a job! :y :y :y :y

Can you, and is it worth it to go elsewhere for a CBT now and say sod him? :-/

Have a really relaxing Sunday! ;)
Title: Re: CBT tommorow
Post by: tunnie on 06 July 2008, 12:58:56
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Hi Tunnie
I have just been reading your response and I am completely gob smacked at this instructor!!
I used to have my own bike training business and was a fully qualified DSA approved instructor, this guy who took you is it his own business or is he a down trained instructor working for someone else.
If this is his business you want to report him to the DSA.
I havent read all the responses but the way a CBT works is that there is no time scale to completing it.
Its just usually a full day should get you through.
Now saying that it does depend on a few factors
how confidant you are on your riding abilities, how good your instructor is and how confident he is on allowing you to contnue.
While your riding around on the off road area he should be assessing you all the time and only when he feels you have got to a stage where you could go out should he ask you if you feel up to it.
The minimum time for assessing you on the road is 2 hours now if he thinks you still are not up to it or you are not happy he should arrange another time and take you out untill he is satisfied that he can give you your certificate.
I will stress this point again there is no time scale
I do have a concern though and that is why you are not happy at going out in rain?
is it because you are unsure about your riding or is it to do with him?
I used to trian all day in rain and some of my students would turn up with no waterproofs.
some where absolutely drenched (usually young lads who thought it cooler to be wet than look stupid !!!!)
At the end of day they looked like drowned rats but they had grins the size of cheddar gorge because they had enjoyed riding so much.
that is exactly what it should be even in wet the joy of riding a bike is fantastic.
I have trained hundred of people of all shapes sizes ages etc and apart from one chap who just couldnt get his balance right on 2 wheels (I spent a whole day on test track at end of day I asked him if he would like to come back for more practice before I took him out on road he declined quite happy really saying I did enough and he was going to stick to his classic car)
so I will stop ranting on now and hope to hear from you

Cause I would have got soaked!

I cycled to uni for 3 years, when it rained it made a hell of a difference, even going just 20mph, easier to lock the back wheel up, spray and wind from cars.

It was the instructors own business, and i have never been on the road yet, i did the slalom though series of 8 cones and thought the figure of 8, U turns ect... feathering the clutch. Simulated junctions.
Title: Re: CBT tommorow
Post by: tunnie on 06 July 2008, 13:16:31
these photos are from the Thursday, with the nice weather!

Ok so some little info on each pic:

First time on the bike, err yeh what do these pedals do?

(http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l210/tunnie84/cbt/DSC08245.jpg)

First time ever on it, pulled away smoothly.

(http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l210/tunnie84/cbt/DSC08246.jpg)

Quick instructions on being a bit easier, and where to go....

(http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l210/tunnie84/cbt/DSC08247.jpg)

Go over there!

(http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l210/tunnie84/cbt/DSC08248.jpg)

So off i go on first attempt

(http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l210/tunnie84/cbt/DSC08249.jpg)

Turning, about walking speed....

(http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l210/tunnie84/cbt/DSC08250.jpg)

And again...

(http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l210/tunnie84/cbt/DSC08252.jpg)

I guess i should have been looking at the road, rather than the rev gauge, but i was changing gear  ::)

(http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l210/tunnie84/cbt/DSC08266.jpg)

Comming to a stop

(http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l210/tunnie84/cbt/DSC08268.jpg)

Though the cones...

(http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l210/tunnie84/cbt/DSC08269.jpg)

And again though the cones, as you can see they are fairly close together, i looped though these riding though the cross mark on the road, did this 10/15 times no issues.

(http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l210/tunnie84/cbt/DSC08270.jpg)

Basically cause there was 3 of us, the kid on the twist-go had it easy, instructor spent 90% of his time on the other guy on the 125 manual. I had very limited instruction.
Title: Re: CBT tommorow
Post by: Andy B on 06 July 2008, 13:34:35
Good photos. Looks like a sniper in the undergrowth took them though!  ;D  ;D  ;D

(http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l210/tunnie84/cbt/DSC08270.jpg)
Title: Re: CBT tommorow
Post by: Mr Skrunts on 06 July 2008, 18:48:14
Cant fault you matey.

When you go back (if) ride round in a full circle and knock the T**t over.  
Then say Oh F*ck, I am so F*c*ing sorry but you should have been on the F*c*ing pavement like all the other F*c*ing pedestrians and then drive off safely. :-/
Title: Re: CBT tommorow
Post by: Arpy on 06 July 2008, 23:48:04
Hi Tunnie
I must ask the question if you pass your CBT and get a bike what will you do if it starts to rain?
dont think riding a motorbike is the same as a push bike
bigger tyres and designed to disperse water from under tyre
heavier than push bike less prone to wind
spray yes but you should have visor I have stuff I put on visor that makes it run off when head moved slightly.
I am sorry to say this but if I felt that you were ready for the road assessment I would be taking you out in rain.
obviously if when out there I could see you struggling I would bring you in.
If you buy good biking gear you shouldnt get too wet.
I know this isnt going to help because there is no way I would do it , but once many years ago I went to a bike rally and watched a stunt rider doing amazing things with his bike in torrential rain.
One trick was to accelerate up to about 60mph and then do a stoppie
(lamping front brake on to make bike go up on front wheel) he then contniued down road on the front wheel.
If you have issues with this chap go to another trainer.
The piccies are great by the way who took them

Title: Re: CBT tommorow
Post by: TheBoy on 07 July 2008, 09:04:40
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Hi Tunnie
I must ask the question if you pass your CBT and get a bike what will you do if it starts to rain?
dont think riding a motorbike is the same as a push bike
bigger tyres and designed to disperse water from under tyre
heavier than push bike less prone to wind
spray yes but you should have visor I have stuff I put on visor that makes it run off when head moved slightly.
I am sorry to say this but if I felt that you were ready for the road assessment I would be taking you out in rain.
obviously if when out there I could see you struggling I would bring you in.
If you buy good biking gear you shouldnt get too wet.
I know this isnt going to help because there is no way I would do it , but once many years ago I went to a bike rally and watched a stunt rider doing amazing things with his bike in torrential rain.
One trick was to accelerate up to about 60mph and then do a stoppie
(lamping front brake on to make bike go up on front wheel) he then contniued down road on the front wheel.
If you have issues with this chap go to another trainer.
The piccies are great by the way who took them

I think the rain was just an excuse ;)

I had a bet on with Mrs TheBoy on Friday that he wouldn't do it  :-X
Title: Re: CBT tommorow
Post by: tunnie on 07 July 2008, 10:02:05
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Hi Tunnie
I must ask the question if you pass your CBT and get a bike what will you do if it starts to rain?
dont think riding a motorbike is the same as a push bike
bigger tyres and designed to disperse water from under tyre
heavier than push bike less prone to wind
spray yes but you should have visor I have stuff I put on visor that makes it run off when head moved slightly.
I am sorry to say this but if I felt that you were ready for the road assessment I would be taking you out in rain.
obviously if when out there I could see you struggling I would bring you in.
If you buy good biking gear you shouldnt get too wet.
I know this isnt going to help because there is no way I would do it , but once many years ago I went to a bike rally and watched a stunt rider doing amazing things with his bike in torrential rain.
One trick was to accelerate up to about 60mph and then do a stoppie
(lamping front brake on to make bike go up on front wheel) he then contniued down road on the front wheel.
If you have issues with this chap go to another trainer.
The piccies are great by the way who took them

I think the rain was just an excuse ;)

I had a bet on with Mrs TheBoy on Friday that he wouldn't do it  :-X


 ::) ::) ::)

It was interesting on the Thursday, but had enough now.

I will stick to cars.
Title: Re: CBT tommorow
Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 07 July 2008, 10:17:21
Tunnie you wuss......its only a bit of rain....it could happen anytime when your out on a bike!
Title: Re: CBT tommorow
Post by: Arpy on 07 July 2008, 10:28:06
listen to the man
I had a friend who used to race, once I went to a meeting to see him on my bike he asked to go on back so I took him out he came back so taken with the experience that he booked a CBT the next week and within a couple of months had himself a big Bike he has given up racing for two reasons save money and gets same thrill riding bike.
There is no feeling better than pulling up to poser in Porsche and leaving him for dead when lights change.
Actually just driving up to front of a large queue of traffic is not bad either.
Title: Re: CBT tommorow
Post by: tunnie on 07 July 2008, 10:55:42
people can say what they want, i was NOT going out on the roads for the first ever time on a bike with heavy rain! Around my area their was heavy traffic due to the Grand Prix, add to that the spray, your having a laugh, i was not feeling like dieing that day  ;)

There was no need to me to have to learn that day, i can do it when ever i want, no point taking risks when i did not need to! - I drove to scrap yard about 2 hours later, the car was being moved by the wind.

Yes of course i need to learn to ride a bike in the rain, i am not stupid. But i would rather go out in the rain when i had some more experiance.

Tbh going around on the bike, i could not see what all the fuss was about!
Title: Re: CBT tommorow
Post by: Kevin Wood on 07 July 2008, 11:22:38
Sounds like it comes back to the instructor again, I'm afraid.

It's understandable that you'd be apprehensive about taking your first ride in the rain and he should have been reassuring you and putting you at ease, IMHO, rather than making out that you're a lightweight.

An experienced instructor should surely have been able to find a quiet route where you could safely have a ride and complete the course regardless of the weather. life has to go on during british weather after all.

Maybe that's true of this instructor, maybe not, but he clearly didn't instill any confidence in you of his competence or of your own abilities.

The first thing you need to learn before you instruct anyone at anything is to be able to generate confidence because if someone remains convinced they'll never crack something, they won't.

I'd report him for his his cr@p instructing, ask for your money back and start afresh with someone else.

Kevin
Title: Re: CBT tommorow
Post by: stuart30 on 07 July 2008, 11:33:33
I think to ride you have too have a passion for it...unlike a car.

Maybe worth while having a serious think why you want a bike license Tunnie,if its a simple case of just wanting to commute cheaply or is it a burning desire to join the two wheeled world.

For me it was always a passion...ridden in heavy rain/snow/gales and still got too the other end with a smile,i drive a car now for practicality and no other reason..Really don't enjoy it.
Title: Re: CBT tommorow
Post by: TheBoy on 07 July 2008, 11:49:46
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people can say what they want, i was NOT going out on the roads for the first ever time on a bike with heavy rain! Around my area their was heavy traffic due to the Grand Prix, add to that the spray, your having a laugh, i was not feeling like dieing that day  ;)

There was no need to me to have to learn that day, i can do it when ever i want, no point taking risks when i did not need to! - I drove to scrap yard about 2 hours later, the car was being moved by the wind.

Yes of course i need to learn to ride a bike in the rain, i am not stupid. But i would rather go out in the rain when i had some more experiance.

Tbh going around on the bike, i could not see what all the fuss was about!
The rain was obviously somewhat lighter over my end of Brackley than it was at the Rugby Club, some 200m away ::)

As to the traffic/spray/wind/etc, as previously stated, it would mostly be around town, and every single limit in town is 30mph, so no spray.  GP traffic would be on bypass, so that wouldn't be an issue either.  Plus, I'm sure I offered you some waterproofs that would have kept you mostly warm and dry ;)


As to 'what all the fuss was about' you haven't been on a bike yet ;). walking pace around a carpark isn't the same thing.
Title: Re: CBT tommorow
Post by: tunnie on 07 July 2008, 11:58:39
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people can say what they want, i was NOT going out on the roads for the first ever time on a bike with heavy rain! Around my area their was heavy traffic due to the Grand Prix, add to that the spray, your having a laugh, i was not feeling like dieing that day  ;)

There was no need to me to have to learn that day, i can do it when ever i want, no point taking risks when i did not need to! - I drove to scrap yard about 2 hours later, the car was being moved by the wind.

Yes of course i need to learn to ride a bike in the rain, i am not stupid. But i would rather go out in the rain when i had some more experiance.

Tbh going around on the bike, i could not see what all the fuss was about!
The rain was obviously somewhat lighter over my end of Brackley than it was at the Rugby Club, some 200m away ::)

As to the traffic/spray/wind/etc, as previously stated, it would mostly be around town, and every single limit in town is 30mph, so no spray.  GP traffic would be on bypass, so that wouldn't be an issue either.  Plus, I'm sure I offered you some waterproofs that would have kept you mostly warm and dry ;)


As to 'what all the fuss was about' you haven't been on a bike yet ;). walking pace around a carpark isn't the same thing.

Driving down the halse road there was spray, had standing water along most of it.

I just wanted to learn ride a motorbike as something to do, get a new skill.

I currenly fill up with petrol once every 2 weeks, i don't need or want a bike to commute.

I have had a 2.2 for the past 3 years, 0-60 times don't float my boat either  ;)
Title: Re: CBT tommorow
Post by: TheBoy on 07 July 2008, 12:01:35
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people can say what they want, i was NOT going out on the roads for the first ever time on a bike with heavy rain! Around my area their was heavy traffic due to the Grand Prix, add to that the spray, your having a laugh, i was not feeling like dieing that day  ;)

There was no need to me to have to learn that day, i can do it when ever i want, no point taking risks when i did not need to! - I drove to scrap yard about 2 hours later, the car was being moved by the wind.

Yes of course i need to learn to ride a bike in the rain, i am not stupid. But i would rather go out in the rain when i had some more experiance.

Tbh going around on the bike, i could not see what all the fuss was about!
The rain was obviously somewhat lighter over my end of Brackley than it was at the Rugby Club, some 200m away ::)

As to the traffic/spray/wind/etc, as previously stated, it would mostly be around town, and every single limit in town is 30mph, so no spray.  GP traffic would be on bypass, so that wouldn't be an issue either.  Plus, I'm sure I offered you some waterproofs that would have kept you mostly warm and dry ;)


As to 'what all the fuss was about' you haven't been on a bike yet ;). walking pace around a carpark isn't the same thing.

Driving down the halse road there was spray, had standing water along most of it.

I just wanted to learn ride a motorbike as something to do, get a new skill.

I currenly fill up with petrol once every 2 weeks, i don't need or want a bike to commute.

I have had a 2.2 for the past 3 years, 0-60 times don't float my boat either  ;)
Thats fair enough (though doesn't explain why you want mother tunnie's car ;)), so why take the CBT?
Title: Re: CBT tommorow
Post by: tunnie on 07 July 2008, 12:06:31
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people can say what they want, i was NOT going out on the roads for the first ever time on a bike with heavy rain! Around my area their was heavy traffic due to the Grand Prix, add to that the spray, your having a laugh, i was not feeling like dieing that day  ;)

There was no need to me to have to learn that day, i can do it when ever i want, no point taking risks when i did not need to! - I drove to scrap yard about 2 hours later, the car was being moved by the wind.

Yes of course i need to learn to ride a bike in the rain, i am not stupid. But i would rather go out in the rain when i had some more experiance.

Tbh going around on the bike, i could not see what all the fuss was about!
The rain was obviously somewhat lighter over my end of Brackley than it was at the Rugby Club, some 200m away ::)

As to the traffic/spray/wind/etc, as previously stated, it would mostly be around town, and every single limit in town is 30mph, so no spray.  GP traffic would be on bypass, so that wouldn't be an issue either.  Plus, I'm sure I offered you some waterproofs that would have kept you mostly warm and dry ;)


As to 'what all the fuss was about' you haven't been on a bike yet ;). walking pace around a carpark isn't the same thing.

Driving down the halse road there was spray, had standing water along most of it.

I just wanted to learn ride a motorbike as something to do, get a new skill.

I currenly fill up with petrol once every 2 weeks, i don't need or want a bike to commute.

I have had a 2.2 for the past 3 years, 0-60 times don't float my boat either  ;)
Thats fair enough (though doesn't explain why you want mother tunnie's car ;)), so why take the CBT?

Something to do at the weekend!
Title: Re: CBT tommorow
Post by: TheBoy on 07 July 2008, 12:30:16
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people can say what they want, i was NOT going out on the roads for the first ever time on a bike with heavy rain! Around my area their was heavy traffic due to the Grand Prix, add to that the spray, your having a laugh, i was not feeling like dieing that day  ;)

There was no need to me to have to learn that day, i can do it when ever i want, no point taking risks when i did not need to! - I drove to scrap yard about 2 hours later, the car was being moved by the wind.

Yes of course i need to learn to ride a bike in the rain, i am not stupid. But i would rather go out in the rain when i had some more experiance.

Tbh going around on the bike, i could not see what all the fuss was about!
The rain was obviously somewhat lighter over my end of Brackley than it was at the Rugby Club, some 200m away ::)

As to the traffic/spray/wind/etc, as previously stated, it would mostly be around town, and every single limit in town is 30mph, so no spray.  GP traffic would be on bypass, so that wouldn't be an issue either.  Plus, I'm sure I offered you some waterproofs that would have kept you mostly warm and dry ;)


As to 'what all the fuss was about' you haven't been on a bike yet ;). walking pace around a carpark isn't the same thing.

Driving down the halse road there was spray, had standing water along most of it.

I just wanted to learn ride a motorbike as something to do, get a new skill.

I currenly fill up with petrol once every 2 weeks, i don't need or want a bike to commute.

I have had a 2.2 for the past 3 years, 0-60 times don't float my boat either  ;)
Thats fair enough (though doesn't explain why you want mother tunnie's car ;)), so why take the CBT?

Something to do at the weekend!
But you did it on Thursday ;D
Title: Re: CBT tommorow
Post by: tunnie on 07 July 2008, 12:32:04
yeah cause the sun was out, warm day.... course i did.

I also love taking the dogs for walks on summer day, i don't take them for a walk when its raining. No fun!

A bike for me would be a toy, i don't like to play in the rain!
Title: Re: CBT tommorow
Post by: TheBoy on 07 July 2008, 12:35:40
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yeah cause the sun was out, warm day.... course i did.

I also love taking the dogs for walks on summer day, i don't take them for a walk when its raining. No fun!

A bike for me would be a toy, i don't like to play in the rain!
I did both my CBT and DAS in the rain. Yet I'm a fair weather biker.

As it is, you cannot experience the fun of a bike, wet or dry, without another £100 on another CBT
Title: Re: CBT tommorow
Post by: Martin_1962 on 07 July 2008, 12:38:53
CBT DAS ::)

I just did an RAC ACU scheme at 16 and took test at 17
Title: Re: CBT tommorow
Post by: TheBoy on 07 July 2008, 12:51:05
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CBT DAS ::)

I just did an RAC ACU scheme at 16 and took test at 17
Fortunately they have tightened up a lot since then.
Title: Re: CBT tommorow
Post by: tunnie on 07 July 2008, 12:51:36
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yeah cause the sun was out, warm day.... course i did.

I also love taking the dogs for walks on summer day, i don't take them for a walk when its raining. No fun!

A bike for me would be a toy, i don't like to play in the rain!
I did both my CBT and DAS in the rain. Yet I'm a fair weather biker.

As it is, you cannot experience the fun of a bike, wet or dry, without another £100 on another CBT

Can't be bothered with that, got better things i can spend £100 on  ;)
Title: Re: CBT tommorow
Post by: TheBoy on 07 July 2008, 12:53:20
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yeah cause the sun was out, warm day.... course i did.

I also love taking the dogs for walks on summer day, i don't take them for a walk when its raining. No fun!

A bike for me would be a toy, i don't like to play in the rain!
I did both my CBT and DAS in the rain. Yet I'm a fair weather biker.

As it is, you cannot experience the fun of a bike, wet or dry, without another £100 on another CBT

Can't be bothered with that, got better things i can spend £100 on  ;)
Exactly, which is why I can't understand your reasoning about not doing it Sunday.
Title: Re: CBT tommorow
Post by: Darth Loo-knee on 07 July 2008, 12:54:41
Get yourself some waterproofs only about £30 and have fun in either rain or sun :y
Title: Re: CBT tommorow
Post by: miked on 07 July 2008, 13:00:59
Its not for everyone and that’s no problem.  I have a lot of friends with bikes and took my CBT and DAS back in the mid nineties.

Looking back and being honest, I was never really comfortable on any of my bikes but probably least comfortable on my last bike (Laverda 668) which was simply too big for me.

Then lost a mate in a motorcycle accident.  Sold my bike shortly after woods and have never missed it.  Some other mates had a break from bikes (some even sold theirs) but most have returned.  Its got to be a passion else your kidding yourself.  

Any bike should be shown great respect.  Letting someone loose on the roads is a big responsibility and not to be taken lightly.  Weekend fair weather biker, not possible.  Just like learning to drive a car, you pass your test and then start learning.
Title: Re: CBT tommorow
Post by: Martin_1962 on 07 July 2008, 13:32:51
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CBT DAS ::)

I just did an RAC ACU scheme at 16 and took test at 17
Fortunately they have tightened up a lot since then.


I still think car drivers should be tought mainly by professionals - so many ordinary drivers have bad habits
Title: Re: CBT tommorow
Post by: Andy B on 07 July 2008, 15:23:26
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CBT DAS ::)

I just did an RAC ACU scheme at 16 and took test at 17

You must be an old fart like me then! ;)  I did an RAC/ACU scheme although I was a year older than you when I took my bike test on a borrowed Z250. I passed my car test whenI was 17 though.
Title: Re: CBT tommorow
Post by: Martin_1962 on 07 July 2008, 16:03:50
I not old!

Did car at 20 or 21